Newsweek giveth, and Newsweek taketh away

The Newsweek, and to a lesser extent, Time polls have been the most insanely volatile ones since the 1992 election, which is when I first followed them. Ergo, I kind of ignore them. When the June poll came out, people like Nate Poblano and Mark Blumenthal used many polite euphemism for “this publication’s polls suck.”
My personal suspicion is that Newsweek polls have an uncanny tendency to mirror whatever story line Howard Fineman, et. al. are pushing in the issue in which the poll appears.

Three words: “LOW INFORMATION VOTER”

Not only does Obama not provide pay equity for his senate staff, here is his take on Bernie Mac’s jokes about menopause at a recent fundraiser (jokes that reportedly caused members of the audience to heckle and complain):

“We can’t afford to be divided by race. We can’t afford to be divided by region or by class and we can’t afford to be divided by gender, which by the way, that means, Bernie, you’ve got to clean up your act next time,” Obama said. “This is a family affair. By the way, I’m just messing with you, man.”

So, Obama views sexism as divisive, not wrong, just divisive. And he implies that the problem with Mac’s joke was that families were present, not that it was inherently offensive. The joke would have been fine if it were before a different audience, such as one full of sexists? Is it just the fact that the joke was told at his fundraiser that makes it problematic, not the attitude toward women that it exemplifies?

What are we to make of the “By the way, I’m just messing with you, man.”? Can Obama really not tell one of his celebrity supporters to stop making sexist jokes about menopause at his fundraiser without taking back the criticism at the end? Was he “just messing” with Bernie Mac — didn’t he mean it?

Women are clearly being sold out by this candidate who doesn’t have the spine to stick up for them, even at a fundraiser before a sympathetic audience, already heckling and booing Mac for what he said. Obama is clearly trying to placate the upset contributors without also rocking the boat with the sexists in the crowd, the folks who think being nice to women makes you less of a man. As the article about this went on to reassure us, Obama is clearly a “man’s man”.

This stinks. CB is obviously unconcerned by Obama’s treatment of his own staff, as are others here who made no response whatsoever to Mabelle’s complaint yesterday about pay inequities, except to call for sourcing. Now that I have posted the sourcing for Mabelle’s comment and it comes from valid sources, why don’t all you so-called progressives support women on this issue? Clinton did. Even McCain cares enough about it to make sure he isn’t discriminating against women in his own staff office — because he knows someone will check and, unlike Obama, he wouldn’t want to look like a sexist pig just to show he’s a man’s man.

Go ahead, call me crazy for thinking that a candidate should do more than just talk about women’s issues. Tell me how putting Sibelius on the ticket or paying off Clinton’s campaign debt will bring pay and job equity to Obama’s senate staff office or make him less squeamish about speaking up for women when his own campaign is making sexist jokes. Maybe it is time for Obama to visit another African American church and lecture them about treating their wives better. Hypocrites!

obama has shown himself to be just another lying shill – independents (and most of America) does not support telecom immunity.

He sold us out – is it any surprise he took a hit at the polls. Maybe you obamabots want to proclaim we need to support democrats in name only, but repugs and independents (and REAL progressives, not the faux “advertise liberally” circle-jerk) will vote on issues.

obama fails there – supported destruction of constitution, does not support universal healthcare, has already launched attacks on social security, is backtracking on ending iraq war, is picking up the propaganda against iran, and genuflects to israel.

He will lose the general and America will be better off for it. That is the only way we can hold democrats responsible for REAL change and not lies and obfuscation.

The most accurate polls sample likely voters and use a rolling poll. The most accurate poll in the last two presidential elections was Rasmussen. The rolling poll average of 3000 likely voters (1000 per day for three days) has Obama up 47 to 46. A one point advantage means a tie.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Way to deal with the issue itself! You’re right. This election is all about me.

Maybe all the complaints about women’s issues are caused by silly women who have menopause and women who have no sense of humor, who all have a hurt on for all men, especially good ones like Obama.

Why would anyone possibly have a hurt on for Obama? He’s only ever been kind and good and nice and smart and tall and…

I was in a bank yesterday and HUSSEIN Obama came on and everybody booed.
And this was in liberal NY.

The fact is that Newsweak poll from 2 weeks ago was so biased, it was a joke.
And that PEW poll is old – 2 weeks ago as well.
The CNN “poll” is a combination of polls and it should go down when this Newsweek poll replaced the old one – and they count that INCORRECT LA TIMES poll.

Trust me. We Hillary supporters will choose McCain in November.

Trust me. We Hillary supporters will choose McCain in November.

Of course you will. Because you’re not Democrats, you’re Republicans.

@mary,

I’ve been enjoying this site for a long time and I was worried when I first read your posting on this as a female myself, I’m concerns with may woman’s rights issues.

I first followed your link to MSN thinking that’s an interesting article, only to find out it’s a forum with a user posting a link to CNS News site. I first thought CBS vs CNS News and realized my mistake. I clicked the link the user posted on the forum only to find a NON EXISTING page. I’m not be able to find on CNS news link of the original article which you seem to quote from.

THEN from there, I’m curious who is CNS?

From wikipedia:

Here’s another thing about CNS news

I also find out that CNS news also tried to attack Rep. John P. Murtha questioning his war medals: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16173.html#more-16173

So I’m suppose to take this site seriously on their research on Obama?

Nice.

Sorry, Ken, I am a Democrat supporting McCain this November.

Why?

HUSSEIN Obama RAPED Hillary for months. He ran the most SEXIST campaign ever.

Screw HUSSEIN Obama. Payback.

Donna, your screaming Obama’s middle names in capital letters over and over sends too subtle and ambiguous a message for us to be able to decode it. What could you possibly mean? Does anyone have any idea what Donna could mean?

I think he took a hit on FISA, even though, he really had to vote for it, and I believe as Commander in Chief he will revisit it. He took the heat for all the dems who caved to Bush, once again. He can’t change the way Washington works until he is the President. As Senator, he has only one vote, and he did vote against retroactive immunity. As President he will get us out of Iraq, get us universal healthcare and implement an energy pollicy that will finally get us off our dependency on foreign oil. He will also restore our standing in the world. If he does these things, he will have put our country back on track. This is why I support him and am voting for him. The ACLU is bringing suit as they should. I hope they win. But holding BO to some unreallistic standard at this point is childish and unrealilstic.

I am not worried considering the fact that the template for demographics being polled , still leaves out key groups of voters. Youth , African Americans and Latinos , continue to be underpolled and they make up a huge part of Obamas base. So, I’m not worried at all.

1. Rasmussen’s daily tracking poll has it Obama up by 1 point and Gallup dipped to Obama up by 4 points today, so Newsweek’s 3-point Obama lead is right on the money.

2. As for the many who believe Obama was raised as a Muslim child, they are correct until he was age 10, at least. An LA Times investigation found witnesses in Indonesia who saw Obama attend mosque on Friday nights with his Muslim stepfather Lolo. He was registered as a Muslim at Indonesia public school where he took classes in reading the Koran aloud in Arabic. Obama has said he first became a Christian at age 26 when in 1988 he joined Trinity — a Christian church that sells Nation of Islam DVDs.

But wait. I thought Obama DID attend “an Islamic school as a child growing up in Indonesia,” not that there’s anything wrong with that. Obama wrote in Dreams Of My Father, “In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school.”

I’m still shocked that people are running with the Obama-is-a-flip-flopper nonsense. That John McCain (who has shifted position on dozens of issues) has the nerve to attack Obama on this is a sad sign of how little accountability the mainstream media truly has. They should be holding McCain’s feet to the fire on this….

Try thinking for a change!!

Obama’s declining poll numbers may be because I am not the only former Obama supporter who has awakened fully, and now sees that Obama DOES have more than one face.HIs reversal on public financing was NOT severe enough to stop being a supporter, his reversal on FISA was a shocker to me. I unsubscribed from his website, and completely stopped ANY $$$(small as it may have been) from going to the Obama campaign given his reaction to General Clark’s well-reasoned, principled statement regarding John McBush’s qualifications for the Presidency..Obama showed he TOO can become weakkneed, but this time, it was the wrong moment to do so..I plan on sitting out this election, or -at best- write in Hillary’s name…..I have had enough of these politicians…Obama an agent for change..??…Me-thinks NOT

Come on people this election is too important to continue dwelling on who did what to who. It is time to look at the big picture. Time for some logic or hand the election to John McCain that will continue making the wealthy richer. It is 95% of the voters time to receive the tax benefit rather than continue Bush’s breaks for the top earners.

The link to the MSN Message Board is blogger non-factual smears. Every time a discussion turns to whether Obama was a Muslim or Rev Wright, the focus turns away from John McCain’s bold-face lies that the MSM mostly ignore. They also would rather talk about non-issues.

Obama plans to fix the FISA when he is elected. It will not happen under John McCain. Obama has to get elected first. McCain would have used the famous Republican fear tactic by telling everyone, “see, I told you he would not keep you safe.” After the fall election the balance will be even more Democratic, which will give Obama the power to fix the FISA issue. He has strong support from other Democrats, but they have to play the game by getting Obama elected. There are not enough liberals to elect Obama.

What does it matter whether Obama accepted campaign financing? How does that impact you? He did it to avoid taking money from PACs to fight McCain’s swift boat ads. Do you want Obama to lose by standing by an issue that does not impact anyone or leave him in the position of taking money from lobbyists?

There is not a word that comes out of Obama’s mouth that people do not mince and spin to say something negative, while mostly ignoring lies out of McCain’s mouth that impact our life.

Read the article on McCain & ‘Foreclosure Phil’. It has an excellent analysis between the severe damage that Phil Gramm, McCains chief financial adviser, has caused for everyone and “what has Rev Wright done that has affected your life.”

“2,620 YouTube videos call Wright, Barrack Obama’s former pastor, a “racist” and an “anti-American” – in comparison to only 58 that accuse Gramm of being an economic “manipulator” and financial “scam artist.” These results are curious. You’d think Americans would be more outraged over Gramm’s controversial economic policies than Wright’s racially charged sermons.”

Think about it. How has Jeremiah Wright had a direct effect on the average American? How has he made our lives harder, more expensive? Sure, his use of racial slurs is shocking to those not familiar with “black liberation theology,” but on a daily basis, Wright’s sermons don’t make much difference.

But ex-Sen. Gramm – “Foreclosure Phil” – is a whole different story. We feel the aftershock of his reckless policies regularly.
Regardless of whether you’re liberal or conservative, socialist or capitalist, one thing’s very clear: Gramm’s policies are associated with the Enron scandal, the subprime mortgage meltdown and the fiasco on the energy futures market.

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/24443494.html

some other caveats about polls 4 months before an election:

polls right now are a product of-
“Who do you support?”

in the last week of the election, the question becomes-
“Who do you fear?”

I can prove the accuracy of the statement, to individuals-if you have already made up your mind on how you will vote-you have already answered the second question.

I do not support McCain, I wouldn’t sit thru a telephone poll to sing his praise, and I certainly wouldn’t send him money. I will be voting for McCain, becuase I have answered the second question.

historically Republican candidates poll low in this period, Reagan trailed by 18 in 84, Bush the elder by 15 in 88. Both outcomes were landslides, going the other way. Obama’s current support is good, but not anywhere near the support held by Kerry, Dukakis, or Mondale.

Obama has stopped being Obama. It’s as if he scored a quick two baskets in the early going and is now trying to run out the clock, with 46 minutes left in the game. It won’t work.

He has to be the Obama of hope and change, with some meat on the theme during the campaign, to beat McCain, and in my opinion it’s showing now in the polls. We have to remember that the McCain we see, the true one in my opinion, is not the McCain that the public sees, and if the media has its way, the American people will never see this bumbling, stumbling, ignorant, stupid and cantankerous old has-been, or more likely, never-was. They’ll see the legend.

So that commenters here know where I’m coming from, and where my biases might lie, I admit to favoring Hillary slightly during the primary, although I became resigned to her defeat a couple of months before she stepped down officially. I am solidly behind Obama, but I am disappointed that he’s not acting like an agent of change anymore.

Bill Clinton spoke at the National Governors Association Centennial Meeting today and I caught it on C-Span while on the treadmill. He was electrifying, and I couldn’t help contrast his performance with the listless Obama of late.

I think we’re in trouble, and believe me, I think McCain would be a disaster for this country. We cannot let him win.

Thus, Obama will not beat McCain – we need to get Hillary back – she can do the job,,,not Barack!

Most people never gave Barack or his campaign a chance to beat the Clintons in the primaries, and look what happened. Barack is an extremely smart man (unlike McCain who jokes about being so foolish and graduating at the bottom 1% of his Naval School). The Barack campaign did not need our opinions when they won the primary and, frankly, they don’t need them now.
We should support the smartest, most amicable, visionary ever to run our country — Barack Obama, and cast aside the Fox News, bitter Hillaries, negative Republicans and other folks who are full of negativism. That is the only chance that we have for this country to come together. If the Barack campaign wants to “reposition” him for the general election, so be it.
I find it interesting that the polls in the United States only have Barack leading McCain by single – digits, while polls overseas have Barack ahead by as much as 51 points. We’ve been the laughing stock of the world for almost 8 years now. Wake up, America!

Ol’ Mare evidently started drinking, presumably her usual mix of Haterade and Schnaps, early today. And she’s not the only one.

I thought the first Newsweek poll was meaningless and never used it as any measure of Obama’s success. I think this second poll is equally meaningless. The considerable discrepancy between their two results (lacking any real evidence for such a change in how Obama is doing) only verifies my initial view after the first poll that this polling lacks any value in predicting the outcome in November.

Reasons MSM ignores McCain:

The owners and people working at MSM will benefit financially from a McCain Presidency, the people with income over $250,000.

Obama is new and not well known. Obama is much different than boring McCain. How long can someone talk about McCain without putting people to sleep.

The MSM would have to learn enough about McCain and Obama’s tax and economic tax plans to be able to discuss it. That takes too much effort.

It makes better ratings to talk about flag pins, Rev Wright, whether Obama should have let his children be interviewed or what Jesse Jackson said through a hot mike.

All the bitterness, the name calling, the racism (HUSSEIN…you know who you are) is completely stupid, now normally i would call it ignorance, but ignorance is when you dont know any better, stupidity is when you know better and do it anyway. So c’mon folks, how are you going to sit there and spew this hate-crap? this is a political converastion!! i have seen more self control/intelligent exchange of ideas on a rap music board. P.S. Never underestimate old rich men. They ALWAYS find a way.

Perhaps a basic intelligence test should be given in order to vote. If you beleive that the moon landing was faked or that Saddam Hussein ordered the 9/11 attacks you do not get to vote. This would insure that a Democrat never loses another election of course.

I hope you hillary supporters vote mcain and he wins and he appoints another judge to oveturn Roe V Wade. Jophn Mcain and the republican party has never ever brought one piece of legislation to thew floor of the house or senate that directly benefitted women.

You are so bitter Mary that you are now willing to give up all you have gained just because your a cry baby..Good luck with any womens issues under McCain.

You are a very little sad person Donna.

Dont you just love how the racist like jason bourne here uses capital letters to shout out what a racist he is!

I don’t believe the polls this far out from the election. I think BO is probably ahead by double digits because they can’t poll people who don’t have land lines. I also believe that the media spins this in a way to make it seem close because they don’t benefit, financially or in the ratings, by a blowout. Now that the primaries are over, they don’t have any real news to report, so they manufacture or make it up. Also, there has been a lot of hoopla over BO’s Fisa vote. I don’t particularly agree with the vote but it won’t be enough to make me not vote for him,( i.e.let’s not forget the Supreme Court),but Hillary’s vote against it, in my view, was strictly pollitical calculation. She is definitely to the right of BO idealogically, lets not forget she voted for the war. I think she must still believe she can get the nomination from BO at the convention. There’s some groups out there, supposedly disgruntled Hillary supporters and I think Donna is one of them, (I think they are really repubs playin games) who actually want to take this to the convention floor. I personally am sick and tired of these people. If you want the next generation to grow up under a repressive Supreme Court, if you want civil rights turned bac.k 50 years, if you want the rich to continue to get richer at everyone elses expense, and if you want this insidious war to go on forever, then vote McCain Donna, that’s your perogative.

The Newsweek Poll is like Fox news AKA “Faux” news. I honestly can’t wait for this election to be over with. I believe that all of this negative information is as a result of one thing and one thing only…BO is BLACK!!! and for a black man to be elected president is just too much for some in this country. McCain gets almost a FREE pass on EVERYTHING but BO has to answer to EVERYTHING even if he had NOTHING to do with it. Just look at the stupid post about BO having to apologize for a stupid Joke made by Bernie Mac. In all honesty what was so bad about the freaking thing that BO had to be made to apologize,this is really sad. We say we are proud to be Americans but we sure know how to treat our own like crap. BO is crazy to want to be the President of this country but I applaud him for wanting to do it. Should he win in spite of all of the negative stuff from Faux news, Newsweek, Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan, David Gregory and now The Huffington Post, no matter how bad of a shape this country is handed to him, he will be blamed if he doesn’t get EVERYTHING fixed in his first 60-90 days. The sad thing is those who voted for GB gave him 7 years to consistently screw up this country. I pray that BO makes it through this with his sanity. With that said, I would like to add that I’m not voting for BO because he is black. I’m voting for him because he has shown that he can think outside the box unlike those Washington “has been” who continue to do the same stupid things over and over again. They get to keep their seats for 10, 20 and even 30 years and all we get is little to NO progress. I admire his campaign’s mastery of the Internet, Mr.Obama has used the Web to learn things and continually refine his message. His campaign knows exactly what works and what doesn’t work online. HRC and even McCain has tried to copy BO’s online campaign style. “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”–Charles Caleb Colton.

BO using the internet like no other politician has been quite successful in raising a ton of money for his campaign. Unfortunately he will never get the credit he deserves for thinking outside the screwed up Washington box. All the talking heads can do is criticize his decision to reject public financing.

Next, Jesse Jackson makes a nasty comment about BO Because BO wants blacks to take responsibility for their actions and pick themselves up to improve their own lives and make tell black men that they need to take care of their family. Instead of these idiot talking heads (i.e. David Gregory) news reporters stand behind him and hit Jesse Jackson hard for his dumb comments and admitting that BO is right, they decide to say that BO has a “new reverend problem”. I wish we could do away with reporters who are incapable of telling the truth, reporting facts and allowing us to decide for ourselves who we we like or don’t like. I guess it makes sense when a greater % of the population need those talking heads to tell them what to do. Thank God I have a mind of my own and do not need lying news reporters who report half truths decide for me who I should vote for.

Fisa did it to Obama

http://www.electoral-vote.com/ This has the best polling data state by state. newsweek just like all the other polls depend on where and who they call. Not worried about newsweeks data.

Obama 08/12

Voting for FISA, was the right thing to do. Obama can change this within his first 100 days in office. Some of you do not know politics, this is how the game is played on this level. Why give the rethuglicans ammo to use against him in the general election. He must win the election first and foremost. So Buckup and get with the political hardball game.

Obama needs to go to the center his base will never leave him. All the hardcore lefties will not vote for McWar!

I have been an avid supporter for Sen. Obama knocked on doors the whole nine yds !
I am getting concerned that he is wandering off in another direction.
The best thing I see he should do is stay with his advisors and voters that won him the Democratic nominee instead of changing course !!
He is being told that the left won’t leave ,He should not really count on that one !!!

Did you see this?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/12/124829/538/624/550584
Newseek sample includes 81-83 percent over forty years of age.
And 84-88 percent white.
Wow!
Barack leads anyway.

To Mary: To spread the notion that Obama is unfair to women based on your cherry-picking some statistics that lack specifics is indefensible. Please consider what a McCain supreme court will do to women’s health and women’s pay. For instance, his response to the court’s decision to overturn the decision on women’s pay because the suit hadn’t been filed within eighteen months. McCain’s response was, “Well, we’ve got to educate women more.” McCain did NOT stand up for this woman or for the principle that a corporation should be held responsible for unequal pay. All your commentary about women working for Obama not being treated well is just a smoke screen.

I just do not get it. Some of you peope will cut off your own nose to spite yourself. McCain is the most flip-flopper of all. He has changed his positions more than you can count on both hands Just to name a few, immigration, taxes, his economic knowledge/plan, religious right.( agents of intolerance but please vote for me). If elected, he will place more conservative justices on the bench to overthrow Roe V Wade, and every civil rights law that comes before them. Mary, McCain’s record on women right issues are horrible. From daycare in the work place, equal pay to insurance companies offering birth control like they do viagra. These are both personal choice issues. His civil rights record is horrendus. He has not done anything to support the hispanic, black, native americans or asian communites. Forget about the poor. He just cannot relate. He has said that he believes in people pulling themselves up by their own boot staps & not wait for the governent to help. The problem with that is the Republican party has made it hard for the poor to even purchase a pair of boots. Do not take my work for it, yust look at his record as Senator of Arizona. It is of public record. I did. Just because Senator McCain is a decorated war hero, does not qualify him to be President alone. He is not the John McCain of old. The maverick is no more. People say Obama has no experience but when you view his record in Illinois and as US Senate, he has done a lot and has worked across party lines. He as help pass legislature for our veterans, health care, education, minimum wage, environment and the list goes on. Obama has said from the beginning of his campaign that he is going to be different & not to expect him to vote all liberal because he is a democrat. He said that he will not just try to work with liberal left but with all sides. His FISA vote, faith-based initiative stand & campaign finance position change in position does not bother me one bit. It is not a surprise. Don’t blame him because some of you placed your own expectations on him. McCain as President will be a 3rd Bush term. I changed from the Republican party because I am disgusted with them and Obama cannot do no worse than Bush. I will vote for Obama. It is time for change and I am glad that this Brillant man is African American. By the way, I am a White woman who believed our founding fathers words ” WE HOLDS THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL”

“To my mind, there are only a couple of ways Obama can lose in November. The preponderance of foolish people who believe nonsense is one of them.”

That comment really scared me! If that’s the case, then Obama doesn’t stand a chance!

Mary,

You pulled that information out of a website cnsnews.com, which is less than credible. The ultimate link to any data was dead, and this appears to be a sham site for propagating misleading or false information. Take into consideration a quote from one of three articles written about the same subject on that site by the same person:

Reines also pointed to staff changes since the last Secretary of the Senate report covering the six-month period ending Sept. 30, 2007.

Neither McCain’s nor Obama’s office responded to a question from Cybercast News Service as to whether they had congressional staff who were also separately compensated by their campaigns for work outside the office. The analysis reported here deals strictly with the tax-funded staff compensation records reported by the Secretary of Senate.

And while everyone was arguing, discussing, analyzing, posturing, defending, attacking, etc., etc. etc. ad nauseum: World War 3 Started in Tel Aviv, Israel. Iran attacked Israel with a long range nuclear missile – Israel promptly retaliated by Nuking Teheran into oblivion, the USA moved across the Iranian border into the oilfields (what else would we want – oil is oil – with or without Radiation) Russia promptly attacked the USA for possesion of an oilfield and China followed suit). Russia got repelled by Marines and then launched a nuclear warhead obliterating NEW York and Washington in one shot – but the US got off a nuke in time to take out Moscow and Beijing (in one shot – cause we bad too) and that pissed China off who nuked Russia cause the USA lied and said the Russians did it and so on and so on until there was no more Planet Earth to live on…Two people survived the nuclear Holocaust – Barack Hussein Obama and John Linsay McCain – guess which man became President of “The World?”…

Obama is dropping in the polls because people are now seeing what a total, utter hypocrite he is. Anyone who sets himself up as “beyond politics as usual” had better live up to his word. By breaking his word (FISA/public campaign financing), Obama has destroyed his credibility.

We Hillary supporters knew something was fishy in Obamaland for some time now…and now, sadly, too little too late, others are starting to wake up.

For those who think McCain is a worse option – not by a longshot. McCain is a moderate Republican with a decent track record, so much so that he was considered for the Democratic VP slot. I will take him over Obama any day of the week.

I have been insulted as a woman by the Democratic Party this year, and for what? A hypocritical, lying candidate (Obama) who doesn’t even have the cojones to stand up to McCain in a debate. No, Obama will not get my vote. No way, no how.

And yes, I am still a registered Democrat, not some sort of Republican plant.

Obama should not be getting so much flack over FISA. The revised bill wasn’t 100% of what he wanted but in Washington you have to sometimes be willing to accept 75% in the name of progress. He had to vote for the bill as the Republicans are desperately trying to get the “soft on terror” label to stick on Obama.

McCain will a “One Term Wonder” under the control of an aggressive Democratic MAJORITY and will accomplish nothing . . . Obama with a Democratic Majority will create Bush Lite and from the history of his actions, voting and comments be a Conservative Troll – sorry, let McCain dust the furniture until Hillary in 2012 . . . Obama is a light weight pandering Conservative in disguise . . . . and with each passing day his “move to the Center” shows the betrayal and sellout of the true supporters that brought him along. The “move” was THERE just overlooked in our rush to embrace a “Messiah” . . .

The names, Donna and Mary. Supposedly disgruntled Hillery supporters that fit the profile the Republicans said would vote for McCain. You know, the guy who can’t speak and has that weird laugh at the wrong moment. Donna and Mary were part of that campaign for Hillery that was in constant turmoil and disagreement, whereas Obama’ campaign was always touted as running like a well tuned clock and managed by a dream CEO. I took these compliments and put them high on my short list for qualities that qualify Barrack for the Oval Office. The more McCain shows himself getting shot down the more I question how does that prepare him for the presidency? Maybe if he didn’t score so low in school and low again in fighter plane school, maybe he would have avoided the ground to air missle? My Cousin, Robert Winslow was a Marine on Wake Island in the early stages of WWll when his troop was captured by the Japanese. I’m currently reading his writings regarding his Marine career and his experiences as a POW. Very powerful stuff, but I have to wedge the info out of him. He spent WWll in a Japanese prisoner of war camp, worked as a Marine Recruiter during Korean War and was back in Combat pretty much from 63 to 70 fighting the war we lost. Perhaps that is why McCain wants to win so bad, he is willing to have countless young Americans killed and by doing so he is still missing the point. BTW, my Cousin retired as a decorated Sargeant Major and is a strong advocate of the Democratic Party. I don’t know the answer to that question yet, I can safely guess.

Hillary is a piece of work and so is her husband. Their calculated comments were straight from the Clinton political playbook. I used to like them until I saw them in action ganging up on Obama. He held his ground and fought back as he should have. He literally had 3 candidates against him. I really don’t count McCain because he is over the hill and mark my word, if he wins it will be the President in Absentia, the same kind of treatment with cue cards they gave Reagan. I lost my respect for hillary when she made that dumb ass remark that both she and McCain are qualified to be President, whereas Obama “gave a speech”. Bill also jumped on that band wagon with comments that he tried to link the polarizing figure of Jesse Jackson to Obama. It was obvious. However, sometimes I think he was submarining her so she wouldn’t find out about his latest transgressions post Gore and Kerry. Bill Clinton was personally responsible for two fine candidates loosing the election (for the wrong reasons again) yet he is still arrogant as they go. If I heard her say her 18 million votes again I would have vomited, especially when she raises her voice to speak through a vocal crowd.

Obama is the one, he is cool under fire and is especially cool when pressured. You can be smart as hell but break down under stress, Obama gets more solid as the pressure builds. That is what I like to see in a President. He won’t be playing John Wayne with our military, he will have them trained to the highest standards and be ready for anything. He will make our military the guiding light in a world in termoil. There is no denying it, Barrack Obama can inspire people to move in his direction. I admire that quality as well, you have to have extra of that quality before stepping outside without the Army behind you. That doesn’t advocate the will of the people, quite the contrary, people will come to the table with a chip on their shoulder.

I talk to stupid people every day that believe Obama is a muslim or he was not born in the U.S. or he does not put his hand over his heart during the national anthem, just reminds me of how bad we need this man to improve the educational system in this country. I try to sway them but it very rarley works, stupid people are also often racist. So what are we to do, keep trying, because John Mcsame is not the answer.

90. On July 12th, 2008 at 9:07 pm, Hillary or Bust said:
For those who think McCain is a worse option – not by a longshot. McCain is a moderate Republican with a decent track record, so much so that he was considered for the Democratic VP slot.

Every women’s group that has ever rated congress critters says you are full of shit. McCain has always been extremely anti-women’s issues, his record is far from decent.

Can we withstand four more years of corporation control of our goverment? Do we want a man that finished 894 out of 899 in his class to be President? A 72 year old warmonger for comander in chief? Do we want to go deeper in debt? Do we want to send more of our jobs overseas? Do we want wallstreet in charge of our social security ? We all need to look at the whole picture not just one issue. I do not agree with every thing that Barrak Obama does but I do believe that he works for we the people not we the corporations and that he will take direction from us.
Before you vote you should look at how each candiate has voted on prior issues.
Take the time to read Barrack Obama’s plan for America on his website. This election is much more important than any single issue. It is about if we the people want to control our goverment or do we want exxon and walmart to stay in control. Paul Dolph

“Do we want wallstreet in charge of our social security ? We all need to look at the whole picture not just one issue. I do not agree with every thing that Barrak Obama does but I do believe that he works for we the people not we the corporations and that he will take direction from us.”

Instead of reading Obama’s propaganda on his own website, you might consider doing research from a less biased source. Obama has received MORE WALL STREET DONATIONS than McCain. Goldman Sachs is one of Obama’s biggest contributors. Get a clue. Obama is all about corporate money. That’s why he decided to stop taking public campaign financing, because he wanted more of that corporate money that fed him throughout the primaries.

You people need to realize that the neocons/corporate hegemony would not fund another Republican after Bush being so unpopular. Those with money are backing Obama as their new puppet, because people will be fooled into thinking he’s an “alternative” when he is not. Obama’s move to center is indication of where his true priorities lie. Electing Obama will be starting Bush’s third term in office.

Newsweek has poor controls. The best polls are Gallup, Rasmussen and Zogby, in that order. Most of the rest of them are quite errant.

For those of you who think that the United States will be better with McCain as President, think about this.

He says he will help the middle class by keeping the Bush tax cuts. Which means you won’t pay any more in taxes. However, you won’t get your taxes cut. That prize goes to the rich and corporations.

He says that he will cut government spending. No Republican president, Reagan included, has kept that promise and all of them have made this promise.

Reagan blew up the deficit and the national debt through defense spending. George H.W. Bush couldn’t keep it down because of the S&L crisis (created by Reagan), Clinton got it down, but then Dubya brought it back up, though he, like other Republicans said that he would keep the deficit and the debt down. So much for that promise. (Debt: 9 trillion and counting) McCain has already said that we need to spend on saving mortgage lenders (not homeowners) and a missle shield while giving the rich buckets of money in tax cuts. Please.

As for Obama’s FISA vote: he couldn’t filibuster (which is what he wanted to do) because the people voting for it made the bill filibuster-proof because they had over 60 votes. The Senator tried to introduce a bill to exclude the immunity clause, but he didn’t have the votes.

The reality is that this bill was going to pass and he had to make a tactical decision regarding the Republicans. They would most certainly attack him repeatedly on this issue. Remember, the object is to win.

He will probably gut FISA if he becomes President. He will have a Democratic House and Senate and will get what he wants.

McCain will only make things worse. Much worse. Trust me on this.

I think it needs to be pointed here that organizations pay for people to come on websites and troll the comments… Radio show host Tom Hartman for Talk America was talking on his show of how a he had a comment section on his website and how it would be flooded with negative “progressive” content. And he wondered why so many people that he thought were listeners of his could be anti-progressive if he is progressive and he did some research and found out that they were being paid like ten cents a post to go on websites such as this and say some of things that you hear above that seem so out of character like the rape comment…encouraging Hillary supporters to vote for Mccain just for revenge… take that into account while reading these posts… there may be some manipulation.

“encouraging Hillary supporters to vote for Mccain just for revenge”

Why is it so hard for you guys to understand that this is a legitimate movement of real people who are upset about the treatment of Hillary and who just don’t like Obama?

I am a registered Democrat, a female, who is paid by NO-ONE for what I do. My blog started up way before PUMA even started. I didn’t even know there’d be other people feeling the way I did. I was just sick and tired of the way Hillary was treated and how Obama was put on a pedestal he did not deserve.

I am not voting for McCain out of “revenge.” I am not voting for Obama because he is NOT QUALIFIED, I DON’T TRUST HIM, and the Democratic party SPIT on my face as a woman by their ousting of Hillary.

If you continue to downplay this movement of real Hillary supporters, well, you are in for a shock in November, that’s all I can say…there are a LOT of us and the more you dismiss us and try to act like we don’t exist, the more fuel you add to the fire.

Hmm, lets see…McCain comes off a week where he sounds close to incoherent in most of his statements but Obama is losing ground.Given the evidence that the current admin is a certifird disaster and that McCain is likely yo propagate this ongoing fiasco, is ther any reason not to conclude that Obama would be a huge improvement? What honest American would want to see this current course pursued? let’s broom these pricks for the good of our children and get on with it…trained monkey’s could do better.

To former Hillary supporters who are voting for McCain: I get it. You don’t like Obama, and you feel the Democratic Party had dissed you and Hillary Clinton. You’ve been in a tough family feud, and it hurts. I understand where you are coming from because I felt the same way, except in reverse. I felt that the Clinton campaign acted like Republicans and dissed Obama and dissed me in the process.

But that other family across the street – the Republicans, they hate you through and through, despite any nice words they may have to say right now. Anti-war protesters – they call them traitors over on the Republican side. Civil Rights Movement – they call it “racism” in the GOP. Women’s issues – they don’t exist in the Republican Party. Check McCain’s recent discomfort over being asked why he voted against including birth control in health care reimbursements.

As for me, I’m hoping for an Obama/Clinton ticket in 2008.

Michael Brook

Ive been signed on to polling point for the last five years.
All through the primary about once a week i got email polls in which at some point it asked if i was for Mccain Clinton or Obama.. since the primary has ended i have not had one polling point poll that asked of my choice between Mccain or Obama.. During the 04 election i got polls asking my choice so why the sudden stop once the primary was over. I have real serious doubts about the honesty of polls, its simply not in the interest of MSM and these polling outfits to have a run away election. Id be interested to hear if any other participants have found the same experience with polling point or other polls they have signed up to.

Its always a chore wading through the fecal comments left by thos disenfranchized Hillary supporters…the only thing that comes to mind is the math…Hillary has just over $23 million in debts…and 18 million supportters..so..why don’t you all just put your money where your mouth is and send her a couple of dollars each..it would retire the debt immediately.For all of you who claim to have been an Obama supporter who have ” awaken”..to the truth..umm sure… IYou either support him or you don’t. And for mary mary quite contrary….how does your brain cell grow? Being a man of some intelligence I am often impressed by “pretty” words, especially when they are strung together in a way that delivers a message by an articulate intelligent person. Thats Obama. I am sorry you lack the mental capacity to absorb the meaning of what is said and can only concieve the message as “pretty words’ but, perhaps if you work at it. your skills of understanding words will improve, although , that skill is not required if you are a McCain supporter so, perhaps you should hang out with him a bit more with your glassy eyed look. He can not ever remember the “prety” words he has written concering himslf..so..not surprised you would be blessed will special abilities, like an education.

I can see why so many people simply do not like Obama. He has a lovely wife, great kids( they are beautiful), he is articulate, well educated, intelligent, cares about people, an author of best selling books, a great speaker, charismatic and the first blackman to seriously challenge and run for the whitehouse. So, what part of all this do you agree with? I wish we could get more people of his quality to run for office. The world would be a better place.

hello. is anybody at home? He was sent in to knock out Clinton,that’s all. So now you find our he was bought and paid for like all of them. Big surpirse. Have we got a nation of idiots here or what?

Andrea Shea King has an interview with Will Bower, co-founder of the dissident Democratic group PUMA/Just Say No Deal:

Nearly 18 million people voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2008 presidential primaries and many of them believe their candidate was cheated out of being the Democratic nominee for president.
Now more than two million, based on donation and other records, are determined to protest the nominating process and push for an open convention in Denver this August. . . .

“We said we are not falling in line just because Obama and (David) Axelrod and the DNC were saying ‘All right, this is over, let’s all get behind Barack Obama.’ There are plenty of us out here saying, ‘No this is not over. You have treated us very unfairly and in fact, anti-democratically,'” he said. . . .

“CNN did a poll at the beginning of June that showed 1 of every 5 Clinton supporters would not vote for Obama. Well, just one month later that’s now 1 in 3. So we’re getting our numbers up and we’re growing strong. And if the DNC’s not worried about us, then they’re clueless as to this movement.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69294

Good. Maybe now Senator Obama will begin to act like a candidate again instead of a shoe-in. Didn’t he see what a sense of entitlement got Hillary Clinton? He has yet to convince a lot of voters that he has the realism to see and the backbone to address the energy crisis & avert inflationary chaos. If he doesn’t have the guts to stand up to the Luddite environmental whack-jobs in his party and to propose sweeping, realistic & balanced energy crisis management measures, Senator Obama does not deserve to be the next president. The problem with that outcome is that John McCain is clueless and GOP party leadership is shell-shocked by their own incompetence. Vote Green. Buy Gold.

Goodness! What a thoroughly Republican trollfest last night! Hardly a Democrat in the bunch (and why they think they’re fooling anyone is a mystery–they don’t do fictional personas any more convincingly than they do government).

The mass insomnia that the GOP understandably feels at having McCain as their best and brightest certainly manifests itself in frantic late-night posting. I suppose it keeps them off the streets.

Hear, hear!! Well put.

I don’t know the methodology of the Newsweek polling, but it must not be very good to have such a wide swing (without a good reason, like a scandal or a major gaffe) in the space of one week. Obama likely wasn’t really 15 points ahead a week ago, and he probably isn;t only a few points ahead this week. In any event, polls this early are essentially meaningless. My prediction is that therace will be within ten points until the debates, when Obama will be seen as thoughtful, strong, and competent. McCain will probably do fine in the debates, but if Obama holds his own he wins–the debates and the election.

Obama’s FISA vote has lost me. As far as I’m concerned he’s a traitor to the Constitution and the principles so many have died for over the past two and half centuries. I couldn’t care less about political expediency. He says “Change we can believe in” and then sells out the country. At least the coward McCain had the good sense not to vote. With McCain at least I know we’ll get another scumbag like Bush, but Obama is a Trojan Horse, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, whose rhetoric is hollow and meaningless like all the other yellow politicians. I will never vote for Obama, and until last week I was a staunch supporter and actually believed the garbage he’s been spewing. Not any more.

Dear Harriett in Manhattan: If you think Hillary Clinton was “CHEATED out of being the Democratic nominee for president,” then you have the right to vote for anyone other than Senator Obama on the ballot in November. I would first like to point out that Senator Clinton ran one of the worst campaigns in recorded memory. She began what I called “Hillary Clinton’s multiple-personality campaign,” with an arrogant sense of entitlement; she shifter her focus and personae, seemingly aimlessly, until desperation borne of reality set in, then she turned vicious. She raised the question: “Who would you want answering the red-phone at 3 am?” Then acted in a way that the answer to that question would have cost her party the election. Her complaints about the “unfairness” of the process are completely disingenuous; everyone in the room knows that if she were winning by those rules she’d be on the other side of every argument. You have the right to vote for senator McCain in November. At least, unlike the GOP nominee in the last two elections, he is an honorable man. The problem is that he is clueless and his party is in moral and intellectual disarray. I hope someone out there in TV-land recognizes that America is facing, what may be the most serious economic crisis in our history (to say nothing about our corollary military miasma) , whoever is elected president in November will have to be very strong to guide us through it. John Adams warned us long ago: “There never has been a democracy that did not commit suicide.” Bonne chance..jt

I have some questions based on the Newsweek poll, which reports that: “Twelve percent of voters surveyed said that Obama was sworn in as a United States senator on a Qur’an, while 26 percent believe the Democratic candidate was raised as a Muslim and 39 percent believe he attended an Islamic school as a child growing up in Indonesia.” With an electorate that is either utterly ill-informed or willfully believes bigoted ignorant lies, what sort of leadership does this nation deserve? What sort of leadership are we most likely to get? Why is anyone surprised that we are on the brink of a classical economic and political melt-down? Is anyone even aware of the economic risks that we’re facing? Shouldn’t we be debating among plans for comprehensive energy reform; banking reform and political reform? Or, is just that it’s summer and the surf up?

Dear Jimbo: You said: ” My prediction is that the race will be within ten points until the debates, when Obama will be seen as thoughtful, strong, and competent. McCain will probably do fine in the debates, but if Obama holds his own he wins – the debates and the election.” I think that’s a very level-headed assessment. It should hold up. I’ve been saying: “Unless senator Obama is caught in a bathroom with Larry Craig and a 14 year old by he wins the election.” But, I think you’re closer to the correct balance. Senator Obama must develop comprehensive positions on the major issues (1. energy 2. the economy 3. foreign relationships & involvements 4. domestic security and the restoration of civil rights 5. turning America inward without isolationism) then he must carry those pragmatic solutions into the debates with the eloquence and conviction that he’s already demonstrated.. If he does that, he wins.

LOL! The CNN poll you offer as evidence that the current NEWSWEEK poll is likely an outlier is two weeks old, before Obama started recanting his former position. The PEW poll is even older (started a week earlier than CNN’s), and the Gallup poll is older yet.

Take another look at the current tracking polls from Gallup and Rasmussen, both through July 12th, and you can readily see these data are not outliers! Gallup shows Obama at +3 and Rasmussen has them tied.

There is only one poll that counts. It takes place in November, Between now and then, Senator Obama has a lot of work to do to prove that he deserves to be president of a great nation in crisis. The Republicans have thrown a four-year-old’s birthday-party and eaten all the cake and ice-cream which has left all of us with the belly ache. Scrub Bush is a tough act to follow because the boob is leaving a burning stage. I ask a question that I have asked once before, when Reagan-Bush similarly left the country in saving’s & loan chaos: Who’s going to clean up after the elephants?

Obama is not only disrespect US-Americans, but also He is disrespecting heads of other countries, like Angela Markel, whi is chanclellor of Germany by telling Her and People of this country, that H will speak there, because this is His choice. This is an ignorance and disrespect for HEAD of Germany. He is not asking He is telling. This man is sick, this is not normall. Wake people , we are going wrong direction. He started disrespecting His own blac people, how He can respect US-whites and especjally Latinos……

I am sending to Hillary 10 dollars, if avery ONE send Her 5 bucks, She will have enough to continue fight for PRESIDENCY, because She is still on ballot!!!!!!

“Her debt is “down” because she decided to write off the $11M she lent herself, dumbass.”

Oops, EXCUSE ME, my numbers were wrong. According to the latest word on the street, Will Bower over at PUMA says that we’ve raised $10 mil for Hil and there’s only about $4 mil to go to pay her debts off.

The bottom line is, Hillary supporters are working to decrease her debt, which was the initial criticism. It’s all over the blogosphere. Go do a search on it if you don’t believe me.

No, I don’t expect all 18 million people who voted for her to give money to her campaign (and the same could be said for Obama – not all voters are that committed) but a good number of Hillary supporters are still putting their money where there mouth is.

“You are possibly the least informed voter I have met this year, which is saying something.”

First of all, “sweetie,” you haven’t “met” me. Second, you need to try harder than that to have an intelligent argument. Language like “dumbass” only shows your lack of maturity and your inability to come up with anything of real substance to say.