Condoleezza Rice, an unlikely McCain running mate

About two weeks ago, the Washington Note reported that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice stopped by Grover Norquist’s weekly “Wednesday Meeting,” at which conservative leaders, thinkers, and operatives get together to plot and scheme. Apparently, Rice’s attendance was unusual.

A “major” Republican operative told Steve Clemons, “Someone like Condi Rice doesn’t go to Grover Norquist’s den to talk about the Annapolis Middle East peace process. She’s going to secure her future in Republican politics and to position herself as a ‘potential’ VP candidate on the McCain ticket.”

I found this a little far-fetched, and basically ignored it. Similarly, Gallup asked Republican voters an open-ended question (no prompted possible answers) last week: “Can you name someone you would like to see John McCain choose as his vice presidential running mate?” Rice was third, with 8% (behind Mike Huckabee at 18% and Mitt Romney at 15%), though this seems largely the result of high name recognition.

But all of this took on an added interest yesterday, when Dan Senor, a former military spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad, raised the prospect on “This Week With George Stephanopoulos” yesterday.

Mr. Senor said Ms. Rice spoke last week before an unusual forum for a secretary of state: a meeting of economic conservatives led by Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform.

“Condi Rice has been actively, actually in recent weeks, campaigning for this,” Mr. Senor said.

This seems wildly unlikely.

Asked about this yesterday afternoon, McCain told reporters, “I missed those signals.” The senator added, however, that Rice is a “great American,” whose “overall record is very, very meritorious.”

It’s obviously little more than a subject of scuttlebutt right now, but it’s hard to imagine the circumstances that would prompt McCain to pick Rice for the Republican ticket. Indeed, Senor didn’t really have any evidence beyond Rice’s appearance at Norquist’s meeting, which is pretty thin substantiation and hardly constitutes “actively” campaigning.

For one thing, Rice doesn’t seem at all interested. In February, she explained, “I have always said that the one thing that I have not seen myself doing is running for elected office in the United States. I didn’t even run for high-school president, it’s not in my genes.”

For another, unless McCain is anxious to help Democrats tie him directly to Bush’s failed presidency, he’s not likely to pick one of the president’s closest buddies. (There was that one time Rice inadvertently referred to Bush as her “husband”….)

For that matter, she’s not exactly part of the Republican in-crowd. The party’s base seems to tolerate her, but it’s not as if she has a solid relationship with the GOP powers that be. Indeed, most Republicans have little confidence that she’s conservative on the issues they care about most.

And finally, not to put too fine a point on the issue, but in her eight years in government service, Rice has been truly awful. Weapons inspector David Kay, charged with finding WMD after the Iraq invasion, referred to Rice in Bob Woodward’s “State of Denial” as “probably the worst national security adviser since the office was created.” As Secretary of State, Rice has repeatedly been wrong about Iraq, has been careless with the facts, and has no real accomplishments to speak of.

That hasn’t stopped Republican candidates before, of course, but given the hurdles, I suspect Rice would be fairly low on the McCain list of VP possibilities.

Top picks for McSame’s running mate:

3) Crist (Gay-Fl.)
2) Condi (Lesbian-Ca.)
1) Jeb (Bush-Fl.)

Jeb is the obvious best choice.
He is an original member of Project for A New American Century (neocon).
He is a solid fit for the wacked out religious right (see – Terri Schivo).
He is solidly Corporately owned.
He is an inhouse member of the Bush Crime Family.

Barbara Bush would be happy & that is what I live for…

  • On the other hand, the media still likes her and imagines she’s credible on issues. Plus, they’ll think she negates Obama’s blackness while wooing the female vote. And this is McCain’s base and he’s likely to listen to them.

    But on the gripping hand, the bigots won’t stand for that kind of thing at all, particularly with McCain’s age problem and the likelihood he won’t stay in office for eight years. So while black people and women are unlikely to be persuaded by McCain’s VP choice, the bigots would find it a really big turn-off. And so I really don’t see this happening any time soon. Republicans might like to pretend they have a big tent, but that’s just something they use to hide all the pointy hoods.

  • My worst nightmare. McCain wins the office, then dies and we get Condi. That prospect is beyond unthinkable. Condie is a truly stupid person. Her arrogance has blinded her to the serious mistakes she has made in the foreign policy arena.

    If you can forget her ignoring the August 2001 report warning that Osama intended to attack, then remember her going on TV a couple of summers ago and telling the world that Israel had to keep bombing Lebanon because they still had some work to finish. She has been the Secretary of State from hell.

  • The one nice thing I can say about Condi is that I think she truly hates her life in politics. She’s not good at it. She knows a blind man can see through the rhetoric. She’s neither an extrovert nor an egotist.

    But I do think the Republican wizards of oz are pushing her. CNN has at least twice shown stories recently about her working out in a gym, and suggesting that she might be getting ready to be VP. I think her appeal with the dark powers is that she exceedingly malleable. Plus Repubicans would love to be the first to have a black person and a woman in such a high office. And I do think Republicans would vote for a black woman, as long as she doesn’t associate with too many black people.

  • Quick question: when was the last time we had an unmarried candidate on the ticket ?
    In the TV age, it seems that a wife and kids are viewed as essential campaign props,
    which is probably enough in itself to rule out Rice. I agree she has been inept in office,
    but Republicans these days prize loyalty over competence. More seriously, it’s hard
    to see that she could deliver an advantage in any particular swing state: she can’t put
    CA in play.

    So, not going to happen, unless McCain is really a complete idiot. Well, maybe he is,
    but I don’t think he’s idiotic in that particular way.

  • She’s neither an extrovert nor an egotist –Danp.

    I guess I have to very respectfully disagree. I think she has been both. George HW Bush referred to her as a disappointment, and I think that is a very gentle description for her absolutely incompetent performance as first the NSA and then Secretary of State. The best we can hope for is that she returns to her “Ivory Tower” at Stanford and never return to public service.

  • I like Doc BB’s analysis. McCan’t is getting this from his media ‘friends’. I mean, who cares if she’s not with the GOP ‘in’ crowd, neither is McCan’t.

    Dale said: “Condoleezza Rice is Harriet Myers in high-heeled leather boots.”

    Don’t try to excite me.

    Gracious said: “Condie is a truly stupid person. Her arrogance has blinded her to the serious mistakes she has made in the foreign policy arena.”

    Actually, I blame her education. She’s nothing but a Soviet Union expert, which, it seems, doesn’t exist anymore. Not that she hasn’t been working hard to get it resurected, so she’ll be relevant again.

    Condi Rice said: “I didn’t even run for high-school president, it’s not in my genes.”

    You know, that strikes me as a little bit both racist and sexist, especially this year.

  • This is nothing more than a head fake from the party, an effort to divert attention from Obama and Clinton’s pathbreaking candidacies and remind voters that there are a couple well-placed black women in the GOP. Just smoke and mirrors, like the multicultural stage show at the 2000 convention, meant to make voters think the GOP isn’t just a bunch of old white guys.

    In the end, McCain’s running mate will be a white male Southerner. Crist or Sanford, I’d bet.

  • Apparently, Rice’s attendance was unusual.

    Probably none of the attendees remembers the last time the meeting wasn’t 100% white male.

  • It seems the left’s way of accusing the right of racism is playing out well in all of your comments.

    The fact is that Republicans do not agree with the Democrat’s victicrat approach to solving the social ills of minorities. We are for equal opportunity but not governmental affirmitive action.

    Rice is well spoken and extremely intelligent. I was hoping she would run for President but now will hold out the hope that she at least is selected for VP. Unlike most of the guilty white liberals, I will not favor a candidate because he/she is black or a woman. If she is nominated, you will be surprised at the level of support she receives from the Republican base.

  • It seems the left’s way of accusing the right of racism is playing out well in all of your comments.

    Hey Bill, could you identify a single black Republican in Congress for me?

    There are 251 Republicans in Congress from all over the country. The odds are pretty good that one of them would be black, right?

  • They may trot her out for the Black Minstrel Show at the GOP convention, but that’s as far as it will get.

  • Wrecktum (11):Do we even know how Rice thinks on 99.9% of the issues?

    Do we assume Republicans have different views on any issues? Don’t they just pretty much argue who is most like Reagan and let AEI and the Heritage Foundation do the thinking.

  • …I have not seen myself doing is running for elected office in the United States

    I wonder what country she has thought of running for elected office in? Paraguay?

  • Well, I can understand why the Repubs are considering her. She’s been a key player in some of the most stupid decisions ever made by a President and Secretary of State. Obviously well qualified…

  • Bill (12) Your fellows do nothing but ask “Is America ready for a black person?” and they are making every effort to defeat Obama by trying to define him as ghetto. Condi is not well-spoken. She tortures herself to answer questions with talking points that often don’t match the question. She probably is intelligent, but she is also extremely ineffective. Her primary appeal is that she doesn’t deviate from the company line.

  • Bill, if you think that Rice is “extremely intelligent”, then there’s little we can do for you here. You’re too dumb to know when someone’s jerked you around, picked your pocket, and sent you off to fight someone you wouldn’t have otherwise. Observe the towering intelligence of Dr. Rice:

    WASHINGTON — In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.

    […]

    On April 8, the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks heard testimony from national security adviser Condoleezza Rice that the White House didn’t anticipate hijacked planes being used as weapons.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

    Of course the Bushies denied knowing about the exercise, and that, to a Bushbot like yourself, is a sign of “extreme intelligence” when you can’t imagine things that your own underlings are doing. And of course we know they were lying to congress, because of several other plots Dr Rice denied knowing anything about.

    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh080403.shtml

    One thing’s for sure, Dr Rice isn’t as stupid as Bill is.

  • “Rice is well spoken”

    One of those comments that never seems to apply to white people. Who ever said
    “Hillary Clinton is well spoken” ? Or “Madeline Albright is well spoken” ? Or come to
    that, did any Republican ever get bothered by Cheney saying “go f*uck yourself” to
    his senate colleagues ? Or by GW Bush’s incoherence and late-developing Texas
    accent ? Why not just say what you’re thinking deep down: Rice is black, but she
    doesn’t sound too black.

    In fairness, a lot of the Democrats (e.g. Biden) have made the same kind of comments
    about Obama. Neither party is color-blind.

  • Condoleeza Rice is the living embodiment of every conservative argument against affirmative action: she would never ever have gotten where she has other than by the accident of birth (pretty much like her boss, but in a different way). She really is about four levels above her Peter Principle level of incompetence.

  • I have never voted for a non-Democrat in my life, and after my terrifying time in Chicago, it’s obvious why I would prefer not to vote for an African American. But if Obama steals the Democratic nomination from Hillary after she worked for hard for it, and if McCain picks Dr. Rice as a running mate, of course I will vote for McCain. So will the women of America by a huge majority, even if they’re not admitting it now because they don’t want to deal with all the male aggression and hostility. Mr. Snake Oil Salesman and his sexist supporters have brought this on themselves.

  • It is not obvious to me why Rice is such an ‘unlikely’ pick. Please explain? I’m not sure if the racist/sexist elements of the republican party would be such a factor, given that it is only for a vice-presidential seat. She has the celebrity status and the ostensible ‘unlikeliness’ to give McCain a boost from demographics he would otherwise have no chance in. Jeb Bush would definitely excite a lot of people, but not the voters he doesn’t already have; and he would lose voters in the middle who might still think McCain offers something different from Bush.

    I think Rice would be a *very* interesting choice of running mate…

    BTW, I am addicted to this blog, but if it’s supposed to be unbiased towards the democratic candidates, why the huge ‘Should Hillary Quit?’ banner on the side (for several months, I might add)? It seems to be suggesting something…

  • Good to see you back, IFP. With the original back here, I was worried she’d won custody of the site.

  • Josef K said:
    It is not obvious to me why Rice is such an ‘unlikely’ pick. Please explain?

    Steve wrote:
    For another, unless McCain is anxious to help Democrats tie him directly to Bush’s failed presidency, he’s not likely to pick one of the president’s closest buddies. (There was that one time Rice inadvertently referred to Bush as her “husband”….)

    That’s why. The ads would write themselves. Nothing would say 4 more years of the same more than Condoleezza Rice on the ticket.

  • These continuing speculative rumors that Rice is going to run for anything, especially VP, are hilarious. I’ve been hearing them off and on for years now.

    Wingnuts say the damnedest things. I guess they are trying to convince themselves their side is colorblind and not misogynist.

  • Condi would make a great VP choice for McDumbass, because she would make him look smarter by comparison whenever she was in the room, even when he said stupid shit like this:

    “The dramatic reduction in violence has opened the way for a return to something approaching normal political and economic life for the average Iraqi,” McCain said

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/mccains-latest-on-iraq-we_n_95385.html

    Got that? a “way” has been “opened” “for a return to something approaching normal political and economic life for the average Iraqi”. WTF does that even mean???

    I guess if “the average Iraqi” isn’t killed, McCain can claim to be right about his latest bullshit.

  • Condoleeza Rice is the living embodiment of every conservative argument against affirmative action: she would never ever have gotten where she has other than by the accident of birth (pretty much like her boss, but in a different way). She really is about four levels above her Peter Principle level of incompetence.–Tom Cleaver

    Yes, yes, and yes. The best thing about W being term limited out is we get rid of her. McCain signs his own death warrant if he selects her.

  • bEvery Reason I can Think of Why I Hope
    McCain Picks Condias a Running Ma

    1
    Stewart & Colbert
    Stewart & Colbert will continually run clips of her during the 9/11 hearings constantly dissembling and talking about shaking the trees. Stewart, having once already tried to seduce Condi on air, will make sure to accompany the video with soundtrack clips of the 70’s tune Space Cowboy singing ” I really like your peaches want to shake your tree.”

    2
    Liberal White folks hate Condi
    Any self-respecting white person who plans on voting for Obama and has even gone the extra mile of putting a sign in their yard must, by default, hate Condi Rice.

    3
    Black folks hate Condi
    If possible, more than they hate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Black folks shake their head over Colin Powell and say, “well, he tried,” but the hatred of Rice and Thomas is unbelievable among black folks.

    4
    Black women really hate Condi
    Black women really hate Condi if for no other reason than it took her for ever to stop wearing the Carol Brady flip and go get her hair done. Black women may ignore Oprah but they hate Condi and Oprah is on Obama’s side.

    5
    McCain hates her
    McCain does not like Condi Rice. Actually I really don’t think he’s ever thought about her one way or the other. But the minute she was run past him as a possible running mate, they had to borrow Cheney’s shock paddles for him. But he is going to be forced to be friendly to a black woman for over 8 years. Eight. Whole. Years.

    Damn, just damn.

    6
    Bush’s Sloppy Seconds
    From tiny innuendo to outright claims that she is Bush’s mistress, McCain will be put in the position, eventually, of defending her from claims that she slept with Bush. I can’t WAIT for all this to be put on front street

    7
    Just Ain’t Electable
    Talk about a perfect storm of unelectable candidates. Throw in all the reasons above, stir, mix in your dyed in the wool racists and a Condi as Vice President not only goes down the drain but the psuedo-attempt at “diversity” will really backfire.

    That’s all I’ve got. But if there’s a God in heaven at all, the GOP will force this decision on McCain and ruin any chance he ever had of being president.

    Amen!

  • Shouldn’t we consider competence?

    from swimming freestyle:

    “…Prior to her tenure as Secretary of State, Ms. Rice served as National Security Advisor to President Bush from his inauguration until Colin Powell resigned in 2005. In other words, Ms. Rice was responsible to be the chief advisor to the President on all national security issues prior and subsequent to September 11, 2001. (Has anyone seen that “Al Qaeda Determined to Attack United States” memo?) If I were her, I might consider leaving this job off my resume.”

    http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

  • Good to see you back, IFP.

    Yay! IFP is back! Wooo!

    Thank you, TR and Matt, but I never left. Thanks for once again proving that to so many men, women will always be invisible and inaudible.

  • Thank you, TR and Matt, but I never left.

    Hmmm. Are you saying that you aren’t a spoof of Mary, but just her alter ego?

    Now that I think about, we never see you on the same threads. It’s like Clark Kent and Superman.

  • No, I’m saying that I left some excellent Grrrrl Power posts around for your enjoyment, and you’re so busy exhibiting aggression, hostility, love of war and general upstartness that you failed to notice them.

  • I think Condi is perfect for Grampa Mac. Her only training or expertise (aside from shilling bs for young King George) is the cold war and Soviet politics, which is the last thing McCain remembers clearly. They’re a perfect fit.

  • Well, gosh darn it, Condasleazy needs to work out her Cheney envy and the best way to do that is find a senile incompetent puppet of her very own–McSame fits the bill.

  • Great paring. They both are born killers by proxy, bad tempered, bad liars, will never quit Iraq and are dumb as stumps.

  • We might question a Soviet “expert” who needs a translator in Russia (and by that i don’t mean has one because it’s the smart thing to do…but actually needs one because she can’t speak Russian well enough to communicate).

    Of course that’s beside the fact that she’s an expert in something that doesn’t exist anymore.

    In short, Condoleeze Rice may be nice…but i still prefer A-roni.

  • 26.

    On April 7th, 2008 at 4:12 pm, smiley said:

    The ads would write themselves. Nothing would say 4 more years of the same more than Condoleezza Rice on the ticket.

    I don’t buy it. He’s done nothing to distance himself from the Bush administration. He seems to support them now more than ever (except on the issue of torture, for reasons that I’m sure he’d be happy to explain).

  • One good thing about McCan’t picking Rice.

    We’d get Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton no time flat.

    Really, there has been some silly comments here, including the notion that Laura Bush would let George live after messing with Condi (no Mrs Senators Craig or Vitter she! She’s already killed one ex-boyfriend).

    Nope, taking Condi would tie McCan’t to Bush’s failures. But then, according to McCan’t they aren’t failures. They are glowing successes, and he’s going to win in November by claiming that Iraq is a success (just a few more months, really!) and that the Democrats are cowards for wanting to retreat and give up all our great and glorious victories. So maybe Condi is the way to go for him.

    The man needs some pixie dust, Never-Never Land is calling.

  • C’mon people, the Reps aren’t seriously considering a black woman for VP. It’s just a transparent attempt to get low-information voters to think that Reps can also like blacks and women–not just old white men. False, of course, but these are low information voters that are being targeted.

    Gives higher-information, but disingenuous Reps the ability to say, “See–we considered a woman and a black for office, too!”

  • Condi Rice is quite bright

    Condi Rice has no experience in the middle east

    Condi Rice has no experience in counter terrorism

    She has no experience in politics

    She lacked the clout to stand up to Cheney and Rumsfeld (but so did congress)

    She’s going back to academia. I suspect she’ll be happy to be out of Washington.

  • Yeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaa!!!!! I say choose RICE baby.

    I cannot imagine a better gift to hand the democrats then Rice as a running mate. Just imagine the questions she’d have to answer on the campaign trail.

    ~ “Mrs Rice, you where the NSA in 2001 when AQ attacked the world trade center. And many on the left blame you for ignoring memo titled ‘AQ determined to attack on American soil’. This memo came at a time when Richard Clark was running around with his hair on fire… please comment.”

    ~ “The state department is currently using a mercenary group called Black Water to handle all security in Iraq…”

    ~ “Your record on Iraq and in other places in the middle east since you took control of the state department has been thin…

    ~ “America’s unfavorably ratings are at an global all time low, as the head of the State Department, during a time with Americas approval numbers plummeting…”

    Man, that would be a spanking good time. Pity it will never happen. McCain is not dumb enough to try a Condi stunt. He cannot afford to carry all of Bush’s sins into his November contests.

    Not to mention that Condi is a political Puff Ball who has pretty much 0% credibility from seasoned US foriegn policy thinkers.

  • It is fashionable to be black these days. Everybody who is black can be a presidential or VP candidate. I am surprised O.J. Simpson is not getting involved in this. When did we start patronizing blacks this much. Does this mean affirmative action is dead?

  • Well, considering Condi has created peace between Israel and Palestine, solves China-Tibet, healed the US- Euro rift, dealt with Darfur, brought Myanmar to justice … not to forget about her diplomatic successes in Iraq! Of course she has the time to meet with Grover and the rest of the white boys!

    Why she thinks she has the time to waste on such a bunch of idiots can only mean she’s trying to further her political career in some fashion. If she just wanted a free lunch, she would have consorted with a better class of trash on a Wednesday afternoon.

    However, one reason she’ll never be McCain’s VP: remember South Carolina in 2002. Can you say “rumors of a black love child?”

  • Deborah,

    You are so wrong! I am Black and I am a woman and I have a great deal of respect for Dr.Rice. I am much more likely to vote for McCain/Rice than for Clinton/anything although I do support Obama.

    Rice elicits from me and from many others of all races and genders, the type of excitement that Obama does. I don’t agree with all of Obama’s policies but I do admire the person and I think that he would be a great leader. I also think that Dr. Rice would be a great leader. Your insults are demeaning and racist. It is sad that you took so much room to attack such a patriot.

  • Everybody who is black can be a presidential or VP candidate. I am surprised O.J. Simpson is not getting involved in this. When did we start patronizing blacks this much.

    Yes. Everybody who is black can be a presidential or VP candidate. Just like everybody who is white, or Hispanic, or Asian, or whatever.

    All Americans are allowed to run for office — even blacks. It’s been that way since the Civil War.

    If this is somehow news to you, I guess your Klan post didn’t get the memo.

  • I also think that Dr. Rice would be a great leader.

    OK, could you explain why? Because I look over Rice’s tenures as NSA and Secretary of State and see nothing but complete and utter failure.

    She ignored the PDB which warned “Bin Laden Determined to Attack inside the U.S.” a month before 9/11, and did nothing to prevent the worst attack on our soil in modern times. She was the single biggest enabler of Bush’s drive to get into the Iraq quagmire, rolling over in the face of Cheney’s crew and providing absolutely no leadership except to let Bush have his war. And on her watch as Sec. of State, America’s standing in the international community has absolutely plummeted.

    So … how has she proven herself to be a great leader?

  • 52.
    On April 8th, 2008 at 6:42 am, Susan said:

    Deborah,

    You are so wrong! I am Black and I am a woman and I have a great deal of respect for Dr.Rice. I am much more likely to vote for McCain/Rice than for Clinton/anything although I do support Obama.

    Rice elicits from me and from many others of all races and genders, the type of excitement that Obama does. I don’t agree with all of Obama’s policies but I do admire the person and I think that he would be a great leader. I also think that Dr. Rice would be a great leader. Your insults are demeaning and racist. It is sad that you took so much room to attack such a patriot.

    ******************
    LOL, as a fellow black woman, most of my comments, save the first one, were tongue in cheek but they say only the best writers can pull of sarcasm in print which just goes to show, I am not a good writer.

    But let me put ill humor aside and say what I really think:

    I cannot forget that in order to have a Secretary of State who would not remotely oppose Bush/ Geney, they deposed a four-star general in war time for Rice.

    I cannot forget that Rice would have blindly sanctioned Bush attacking Iran, and still would, had Congress not used the last of their backbone to stop it and there’s still no guarantee they won’t cave before Bush leaves office.

    And I have yet to forget the sight of her at those hearings dissembling, pandering, and issuing those infamous “I can’t quite recalls” whenever she wasn’t outright lying.

    I don’t see Condoleeza as a Patriot; I see her as a lying, conniving, traitor who is having her pockets lined by this Iraq fiasco every bit as much as the Bush/ Cheney cabal. Not only do they run the country into the ground but they make a profit doing so. In my book, she is right up there with Rove on a list of GOP folks I would love to publicly pimp-slap for the damage they have done to this country.

    Respect her all you want, but I cannot.

  • This is the first election where we have 3 stooges running for election and they not only act like the stooges, but look like them. Our country is totally doomed. No matter who McAmnesty runs with — it won’t help him. They only way he will win is if the republicans vote AGAINST Hillary. He cannot win on his own. So if you are a republican and you want Hillary in and you live in a state who hasn’t had a primary yet, register democart and vote for Hillary that will bring out the republicans in full force to win in 2008 to vote against her not for him.

  • Excuse me, I meant if you want McAmnesty in, vote for Hillary and then the republicans will vote against her in the election and he will win by default, which is what I meant.

  • Jeb Bush is blatantly corrupt, just like the rest of Florida. In reality, that’s probably true of all politicians, but I definitely don’t want to see him on the ticket with McCain.

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