‘Military vote’ hardly in the bag for Republicans

It wasn’t a scientific poll, and it’s just one report about a relatively small number of U.S. troops, but this ABC News report nevertheless suggests that the “military vote,” if there is such a thing, is up for grabs in this election.

Of particular interest, ABC spoke to the troops about their political preferences immediately after listening to Dick Cheney give what the network described as a “rousing speech.” Presumably, if the troops were going to be persuaded to back the candidate that agrees with the Bush administration on Iraq policy, this was the time.

And yet, of the troops quoted in the ABC piece, four back Barack Obama, one supports Hillary Clinton, and none went on record endorsing John McCain.

As Will Bunch put it, “These soldiers/citizens/voters are concerned about the same things their like-minded Americans back home care about, like the economy and avoiding future wars that might be even more ill-advised than the one they’ve been sent to fight.”

And this means the troops, like the rest of the country, are ready to consider a candidate offering a change.

I suspect a conservative would watch or read the report and conclude that ABC was only showing troops who expressed support for Dems, but that seems unlikely. Martha Raddatz almost seemed to try be second-guessing the troops’ responses (if I’m not mistaken, at one point, she told one Obama-supporting soldier, “But [Obama] wants to pull out of Iraq right away?” That’s not even fully accurate, and it’s not the kind of thing a reporter who’s trying to get pro-Democratic responses would say.)

For that matter, the report also highlights the perspective of troops who don’t necessarily agree with their mission.

PFC Jeremy Slate said he supported Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., because of his stated intention to pull out of Iraq right away.

“That would be nice,” Slate said, “I’d like to be home, yea.”

SFC Patricia Keller also expressed support for Obama, citing his representation for change. […]

Spc. Imus Loto said he supported Obama. “It will be something different. But he’s out there and he’ll probably support us a lot more.”

By support, Loto meant pulling out troops. “Pull me out, too.” he said.

Though the military is generally a more conservative group, soldiers like Sgt. Justin Sarbaum are just as eager for a pull-out as the Democratic candidates. Sarbaum said he wondered which presidential candidate would be able to better the U.S. relationship with rogue nations, such as Iran, so that soldiers are not sent off to another war.

“Iran is obviously a big issue,” Sarbaum said, “Here in Iraq for my third time; starting another war right now — is it really necessary?”

So much for the conservative assumptions about the worldview of the men and women in uniform.

As I have mentioned previously in these comments here, I fly alot for work. Alot, alot. And I often have the opportunity to sit next to or near a member of our armed services.

My last trip coming home, I sat next to a 24 year old guy who was on his forth tour in Iraq. I asked him what he thought and he looked at me and said: I have one word. Bullshit. It’s bullshit.

He also made some grumblings about not being able to talk freely as “he knew his place.”

Yup, fight ’em there so we don’t have to fight ’em here. Fight for their freedom. Too bad our military members can’t voice their own opinions.

Sad. Sad. Sad.

  • Let’s see – she couldn’t get anyone to speak in favor of McCain and found a majority of public Obama supporters. From my experience dealing with the GI antiwar movement the past two years, I’d say this is an accurate picture.

    How anyone could say that Vice President Charisma, er, I mean Cheney could deliver a “rousing monotone,” er, I mean a “rousing speech,” is beyond me. Cheney is particularly disliked by the troops, given that his speeches are always such obvious lies – these are the folks who knew two years ago that the insurgency was not “in its final throes.” He’s almost a “force multiplier” for our side among the troops – the more he speaks the greater the outrage over the lies, the more folks sign up with IVAW. By the way, at many bases, according to what I am reading from reports on the ground, IVAW is seen as the legitimate representative of the troops. As one brave young Sergeant I know down at a big base in Texas I’ll leave unnamed (where I once ran a coffeehouse 40 years ago) said to me the other day: “IVAW’s our union now.”

    For all you who know nothing of the service, the troops have nothing against fighting and dying for their country. They see this isn’t that, and nobody wants to fight and die for a lie.

  • I think the troops agree with Obama’s statement that he’s not against all wars, he’s against dumb wars.

    I hope some of the troops take the initiative and speak out when McCain tries to use them as props. I hope they grab the mike and ram his flippant “100 years” comment up his ass.

  • The troops have known the reality about Iraq for a long time, while their commanders have avoided that truth for political reasons. After driving around Iraq on multiple tours and seeing what the country has become over time, it sounds like these guys know in their bones that there are no ponies in Iraq, just a lot of IEDs and AKs.

    The presence of the troops in Iraq only makes us “safer” if by safety that means that knowing some other American is dying in a strange place makes us feel like like death is too busy getting them to get us. That’s horseshit. Over 900 Americans have died in Iraq since the surge and they have prevented exactly zero American deaths in the process. This nation needs to realize that prolonging the Iraq conflict is essentially a primitive human sacrifice ritual whereby we think we will live if we feed others of ourselves to a funeral pyre. That supposed to make us all sleep better at night. It doesn’t make me sleep better at all. Nor for the troops either.

  • I think the Joe Lieberman Pompous Popinjay Award goes to Cleaver for comment #2.

    “reading from reports on the ground,” LOL.

  • I too was in the military recently and understand well what it feels like to not be able to voice one’s true opinion. It’s such a desperate feeling. I would be willing to bet there are A LOT of airmen, sailors, and soldiers who would vote for a Democrat in a heartbeat!!

  • The old send the young to war when they want something. The old and the young fight together when they believe in something.

  • Well, when two out of three competitors voted for the needless war your in, and one spoke out against it repeatedly, it seems like a no brainer.

    And by no brainer, I mean the one who voted for Clinton. What were they thinking? 😉

  • If I were in the military I would be furious, especially if I was stuck in Iraq for the third or fourth time. Just because someone wears a uniform does not mean that they checked their brain at the door. I don’t think the Republic-thugs will automatically receive the vote of our soldiers.

  • Hey Dale: what do you call getting a report from someone who is present on the scene?

    Anyone who wants to see the meaning of the term pmpous popinjay need only click Dale’s name ande visit his blog.

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