Jay Rockefeller, Obama’s attack dog?

Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) is, as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, a fairly prominent supporter of Barack Obama. With that role, I generally expect him to say nice things about Obama, and tout his national security agenda.

Seeing him go after John McCain like this, however, was a little unexpected.

Rockefeller, who supports Barack Obama for President and has campaigned for him, said in an interview with the Charleston Gazette editorial board this week that McCain was not grounded in issues affecting people because, in part, he was a fighter pilot.

“He flies at 35,000 feet and drops laser-guided bombs, missiles,” Rockefeller said. “He was long gone before they hit. What happened down there, he doesn’t know.” Rockefeller added that he knew the comments were “unkind” because McCain was fighting for the country, but he added, “You sort of have to care what goes on in people’s lives.”

The McCain campaign responded through Lt. Col. Orson Swindle, USMC (retired) who served in Vietnam and spent 20 months in a Hanoi prison with McCain. “We know what flying through hell is like and the senator doesn’t,” Swindle told Metronews. “He probably never heard a shot fired in anger unless it was in the backwoods of West Virginia hunting or something like that.”

Rockefeller has since apologized, rather profusely, saying, “I have profound respect and appreciate his dedication to our country, and I regret my very poor choice of words.”

But these are the days of the Umbrage Wars, and McCain apparently isn’t inclined to accept the apology.

Indeed, when the Obama campaign issued a statement saying Obama “does not agree with what Senator Rockefeller said,” the McCain gang demanded more.

John McCain’s campaign said an apology from Barack Obama’s team for comments from West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, who supports the Illinois senator’s presidential bid, were not enough, calling for a response from the candidate himself.

“It was a spokesperson. Just as with the situation with liberal attack artist Ed Schultz, Obama refused to reject the statements personally. It’s a trend that undermines Barack Obama’s credibility when he makes calls for a ‘new’ more ‘accountable’ debate,” said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. […]

[T]he McCain camp charged that his comments were “more than a coincidence that Obama campaign surrogates are making character attacks against John McCain without any repudiation.”

Now, realistically, if the Obama campaign really wanted to go after McCain like this, aides probably wouldn’t have called on Jay Rockefeller. The guy isn’t exactly a polished attack machine.

But the Umbrage Wars have very little to do with logic. McCain demands satisfaction, and Obama doesn’t much seem to care.

I’ll gladly concede that Rockefeller’s comments were cheap and definitely warranted an apology, which he promptly offered. And I suppose I don’t blame the McCain campaign for trying to capitalize on every available opportunity.

But in general, folks really can’t work themselves into too big a dither every time a pol makes a foolish attack. By the fall, no one in the political world will have any energy left at all.

Yeah, after all we all know how John McCain cared so much about the tons of napalm he dropped all over Vietnam that he had his wife spend a few million dollars of her beer inheritance to build a huge orphanage over there.

Or not.

BTW, Jay Rockefeller is a freaking dumbshit. Does he know firsthand what happens to people when you drop bombs on them? I wish he was a HRC supporter, not Obama.

  • I think the appropriate response for Rockefeller to make after Swindle responded for McCain should have been something to the effect of “I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that Senator McCain was such a pussy”.

  • I think the appropriate response for Rockefeller to make after Swindle responded for McCain should have been something to the effect of “I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that Senator McCain was such a pussy”.

    I agree. McCain go F*** yourself.

  • I think the appropriate response for Rockefeller to make after Swindle responded for McCain should have been something to the effect of “I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that Senator McCain was such a pussy”.

    A simple “Oh grow up” would suffice;>

  • Hey, Steve, you wanted “lather”, not “dither” — to dither means to equivocate or to go back and forth between options.

    And I like the “umbrage wars” phrase. It really is ridiculous how quick everyone is to take offense and demand apologies these days, considering that all of the parties involved are equally guilty, and both the offense and apologies are transparently insincere.

  • Two thoughts:

    1. I like Obama just saying he disagrees with Rockefeller, or with Ed Schultz wrt the “Warmonger” comment. He does not have to apologize for the words of someone that supports him. This is different from unfortunate words emanating from a campaign staffer.

    2. While it is a legitimate point that the pilot of an F-16 or whatever is pretty isolated from the consequences of the bombs he/she drops, and in the last half-century has been almost free of the stresses of fighting someone else that also has an air force, there is a bigger point. Fighter/bomber pilots, their considerable talents and training notwithstanding, are tactical creatures. To do what they do effectively they have to focus narrowly, and they don’t have a things to do with overall strategy. Presidents, and for that matter Senators, need to think strategically and view military matters in the context of the entire national defense and international relations. McCain has shown me nothing in this area. Obama shows the intelligence and intellectual rigor to see things strategically. I think HRC lies somewhere between McCain and Obama, but closer to Obama, in this ability.

  • Racer’s right, though. Rockefeller’s an utter jackass. For his telecom-covering perfidy alone he should be kicked out of the Senate. West Virginians, where are you?

  • Men squawk and squabble in the language of war while women stay up all night caring for children, balancing the household budget and doing the thankless work of keeping the entire family organism strong. A Hillary presidency would be about children and families and community, not about overgrown boys trying to outwarrior each other. Go ahead and vote for Obama if you want more conversations about fighter planes, battle tactics and military matters. Hillary’s got more important things to think about, like running this country in the way only a woman can.

  • As someone originally from the back woods of West Virginia (my parents have a picture of Sen. Rockefeller holding me as a baby when he was governor of the state, though that’s not really relevant), I would point out that shots fired while hunting rarely are taken in anger. I think I would have some grounds for taking umbrage myself on the basis of Col. Swindle’s derogatory comments about my home state, if I hadn’t gotten out of it myself as soon as I was old enough to do so.

  • “But in general, folks really can’t work themselves into too big a dither every time a pol makes a foolish attack. By the fall, no one in the political world will have any energy left at all.”
    I suspect we’re just seeing the standard Repug attack procedure for the rest of the election – apoplectic overreaction to anything that is said about McCain. Of course, this will then be used to justify their swiftboating Obama (or Clinton) at every opportunity.

  • It’s a trend that undermines Barack Obama’s credibility when he makes calls for a ‘new’ more ‘accountable’ debate,” said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds.

    Tucker Bounds?
    Really. WTF?
    But hey yeah: He really exists.

    He even has his own quote page: http://thinkexist.com/quotes/tucker_bounds/
    And here is a quote that emphasizes the “new” and more “accountable” flavor:

    “Harry Reid is the figurehead of a party that stood in steadfast obstruction to virtually all the tools that are being used to keep the American people safe and being used to help win the war on terror.”

    There.
    How does it feel to be called an abettor to terrorism… again?
    Golly… I feel like my credibility as a citizen has been undermined… again.

  • I, Barack Obama, am a patriot who loves my country. I am also a Christian. I reject and denounce the following list of people…

    Steve’s right. This level of petty bickering is exhausting. Thank goodness Obama doesn’t engage in it.

    Rockefeller, stuff a sock in it. Obama doesn’t need that kind of ‘help.’

  • 8. On April 8th, 2008 at 5:16 pm, Insane Fake Professor said:
    Go ahead and vote for Obama if you want more conversations about fighter planes, battle tactics and military matters.

    That’s right on. You’d never find a woman making up macho stories about landing on an airport tarmac in a hail of sniper fire…

    Oh, wait. Never mind.

  • Jello Jay is getting feisty. Since McCain did get shot down at least once we can’t really say he was totally removed from the effects of war. And he really got to meet the Vietnamese up close and personal when he was captured.

    But excusing everything one does in war as simply following orders does have a certain Nazi ring.

    McCain IS a war-monger.

    I notice some commenters calling McCain a “pussy”. I think his preferred word (the one he uses to refer to his wife) is “cunt”. So that’s Mr. Cunt to you.

  • Racer X has it right: Rockefeller is a quisling and McCain is an asshole. Sorry I exaggerate but I can’t count how many times Mr. Rockefeller has voted with Bush & Co. and I can’t get McCain’s “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran” out of my head. If John McCain does not want to be called on his stuff, he ought to keep his mouth shut, and Rockefeller does not have to say he is sorry every time some republic-thug says he is wrong. I have not heard McCain apologize for his asshole song parody.

  • Insane FP:

    Your generalizations about men and women are a little dated given the gender makeup of the military these days, not to mention the general trend in roles that women have come to assume in the workplace and government.

    The president, regardless of gender, will have a number of concerns related to defense, military, and diplomacy.

    Such female national leaders as Meir, Thatcher, and Gandhi have shown that women can easily be just as militaristic as their male counterparts. A possible concern is whether a female leader will feel a need to be even more militaristic in order to not appear “soft”.

    This seems to me to be a great place to put the gender card back in the deck.

  • If the country does not get disabused of the notion that Mc* is a sacred icon soon, he will never get a glove laid on him. Even without trying the Dem candidate will shred him in the debate(s), but with the current mindset, the Dem will be viewed as a bully. Mc* is running on the Vietnam guilt platform; He can’t be allowed to win on a sympathy or pity vote.

  • Maria (7): West Virginians, where are you?

    Rockefeller’s remark was surprising, not because he is dumb, but because he’s usually a bit of a milquetoast. He’s also not a very political animal. While I strongly disagree with him on the telecom immunity issue, I do believe that he is sincere about it. There were reports that telecoms gave something like $20,000 after he came out in favor of immunity, but I can guarantee you a Rockefeller doesn’t sneeze for that little money. And while I don’t agree with the argument he made ( I wish he had called him rash, arrogant and reckless), you have to admit McCain has a certain lack of appreciation for the fact that soldiers are doing multiple tours so that others can maintain their apathy. I’ll take Rockefeller over a lot of other Dems in the Senate.

  • Now wait just a minute. You mean to tell me that this…

    “He flies at 35,000 feet and drops laser-guided bombs, missiles,” Rockefeller said. “He was long gone before they hit. What happened down there, he doesn’t know.” Rockefeller added that he knew the comments were “unkind” because McCain was fighting for the country, but he added, “You sort of have to care what goes on in people’s lives.”

    …got the McSame people all worked up? Well, then—how about this?

    John S. McCain (S standing for stupider-than-a-freshly-napalmed-rice-paddy) has go to be the piss-poorest excuse for a combat veteran that ever lived. Any other Naval aviator who had smashed up as many aircraft as John S. McCain (again, the S stands for stupider-than-a-freshly-napalmed-rice-paddy) would never have had the opportunity to be shot down while hot-dogging above known antiaircraft emplacements, below minimum allowed speed and altitude as per the articles of Naval combat engagement. The only reason that he wasn’t hauled before court and stuffed into a meatgrinder was because of his “daddy” and his “grand-daddy.” The same holds true for his wrist-slap over the Keating scandal.

    The society of today is no longer the coddling pile of crap that it once was; it is, instead, a zero-tolerance society—and it is time for John S. McCain (once again, the S stands for…well, you already know—and I’m now told that a class action suit for defamation of character has been filed against me by a group of formerly-napalmed rice paddies who consider being associated with his stupidity grounds for waging a holy war) to face that zero-tolerance head-on….

  • The McCain campaign responded through Lt. Col. Orson Swindle, USMC (retired) who served in Vietnam and spent 20 months in a Hanoi prison with McCain. “We know what flying through hell is like and the senator doesn’t,” Swindle told Metronews. “He probably never heard a shot fired in anger unless it was in the backwoods of West Virginia hunting or something like that.”

    Yeah, McCain wasn’t flying along at 35,000 feet zzoming and booming – he was poking around at 2,000 feet, at around 300 mph, when he got the chop. Like his “firebug” moment on the Forrestal, he was doing exactly what he’d been taught not to do, because doing it would put his ass in danger.

    God, how I wish he’d had a seat malfunction that day…

  • The guy who divorces his disabled, disfigured wife for a younger, prettier, wealthier model has hurt feelings?

    STFU, please.

  • While I strongly disagree with him on the telecom immunity issue, I do believe that he is sincere about it.

    Oh, so do I. Sincere in the same way, for example, that Bush is sincere about invading Iraq having been a good idea and well worth it. Rockefeller is horribly, tragically wrong about telecom immunity and about the significance and scope of the terrible precedent it would set. Whether or not he’s believed throughout that he’s doing the right thing really doesn’t mitigate the actual consequences to the country of him getting his way.

  • Obama is never at fault. His campaign has the knack of getting attack messages out in the public against other canidates and then Obama gives a “huge” apology. We must really be in “Obamalot”. Fairy-tale land!!!

  • Sit on it, joanie.

    This is about cowing the Obama campaign (and everybody else) so that they can’t say anything negative about McCain at all. That’s all this whiny little pushback Don’t Hurt John-McCain’s Feelings stuff is all about.

  • The Umbrage Wars. I love it. Sounds like a good blog name.

    “I’m sorry if anyone was offended.”

  • re: umbrage wars…

    i like what a commentor on dave neiwert’s blog called them: right wing drama queens.

    what i want to know is, where were all this umbrage when the swift boaters attacked kerry’s military service?

  • Barack Obama is a cold, ruthless and cutthroat man and it’s obvious that guys like Schultz and Rockefeller are in his thrall and feel compelled to attack McBush as their master would have them do.

    McBush is as tender as a lambs bleat and that sensitivity bodes well for a more civil and considered public discourse if he’s elected.

    Barack should hang his head in shame that he has inspired his cruel minions to bruise the feelings of such a gentle soul.

  • I’m a Vietnam rifle platoon leader and the tragedy of McCain he still doesn’t understand Vietnam, and because of his lack of curiosity he doesn’t have a clue about Iraq! If you look at his resume its lacking in all areas—a short summary–he is clueless as junior ! cleve

  • What a thoughtless statement. Rockefeller should have known exactly what McCain’s response would be. he should have known what the response from Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the attack troops would be. I don’t understand giving them ammo to hit you or Obama with. It defies belief that a senior senator would say something so stupid. McCain is a very vulnerable candidate but the one area that you can’t attack is his military service. Hello!!! Where has Rockefeller been the last 15 – 20 years.

  • The WARMONGER is trying to make Vietnam some kind of honorable American mission. Like Iraq we were somewhere we didn’t beloing & we killed thousands & thousands of innocents. McCain should be ashamed for his part in it not holding himself up as a hero.

  • He flies at 35,000 feet and drops laser-guided bombs, missiles,” Rockefeller said.

    Ummm…isn’t McCain too old to have used laser-guided bombs in combat? 🙂

  • Republicans have used short “catchy” phrases to their advantage for many years, now. I suggest anyone to the left of the warmongering John McNasty should try to help spread this phrase on the internet:

    McCain is an angry, unstable and confused warmonger.

    Oh… and here’s a link to McCain’s (and other senator’s) staffers’ salaries:

    http://www.legistorm.com/member/69/Sen_John_McCain/37.html

  • Pretty dumb thing for Rockefeller to say whether he meant it or not. Its just dumb politically – why give McCain additional opportunities to talk about his service record.

  • Republicans have used short “catchy” phrases to their advantage for many years, now. I suggest anyone to the left of the warmongering John McNasty should try to help spread this phrase on the internet:

    McCain is an angry, unstable and confused warmonger.

    Oh… and here’s a link to McCain’s (and other senator’s) staffers’ salaries:

    http://www.legistorm.com/member/69/Sen_John_McCain/37.html

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