McCain denounces ‘HillaryCare,’ says Obama wants ‘government takeover’ of healthcare

Long-time readers may recall a discussion we had last year about what I call “conversation enders.” These are comments that lead you to know, the moment you hear them, that the writer/speaker is either clueless or intellectually dishonest. Either way, the moment you hear a “conversation ender,” you know the discussion has ended. “If they’re willing to say that,” the voice in your head tells you, “then the rest is probably nonsense.”

I have a few of these. When I hear, “Tax cuts are fiscally responsible because they pay for themselves,” it’s a conversation ender. When I hear, “Evolution is just a theory,” it’s a conversation ender. When someone says, “Global warming can’t be real because it’s cold outside,” it’s a conversation ender.

And when someone bashes Hillary Clinton’s healthcare proposal from 1993 as a “government take over the health care system in America,” you know the person doesn’t have a clue. Take John McCain, for example.

John McCain devoted a substantial chunk of his town hall meeting Thursday to drawing contrasts with Barack Obama on health care policy, stressing his opposition to the presumptive Democratic nominee’s health care plan and noting the “great difference” between them on abortion.

McCain’s strongest denunciation of Obama came when discussing the Democrat’s health care plan, which would cost $50-65 billion per year but would not mandate insurance coverage for all adults, only children.

“My friends, we’ve seen this movie before,” McCain said. “It was called ‘HillaryCare’ back in 1993, and we’re not going to do it again. We’re not going to have the government take over the health care system in America. And that’s what Sen. Obama wants to do.”

Now, McCain has been in Congress for more than a quarter of a century, so he’s been around long enough to look into healthcare policy at least a little. Presumably, he went to a hearing or two on the Clinton plan in the ’90s, and even read a book or two before unveiling his own healthcare “plan” during this campaign.

Which leads to one of two possibilities: either McCain doesn’t know anything about healthcare policy (in which case he’s spectacularly uninformed), or he does know something about healthcare policy (in which case he’s being spectacularly dishonest). It’s really either one or the other.

First, Hillary Clinton’s plan had its flaws 15 years ago, but it was not a policy premised on a “government takeover” of the health care system. That’s what the right-wing talking points said, but that’s not what the reality was.

Second, has McCain even considered reading Obama’s plan before bashing it? (Or maybe having someone read it to him?) Not only is there no “government takeover,” it’s actually a modest, reasonable, pragmatic approach to the issue. It’s not similar to the Clinton plan from 1993, and under no circumstances is it “socialized” medicine. Either McCain doesn’t know what his words mean, or he doesn’t know anything about the plan he’s attacking. Even the Wall Street Journal noted that Obama’s policy “is much different from the 1993 Clinton plan and most outside observers agree it is far from a government takeover of the health care system.”

And third, McCain is making this wild-eyed, demonstrably-false charges in the hopes that few will notice that his own healthcare plan is rather pathetic.

McCain unveiled his idea a few months ago, and it left much to be desired.

Senator John McCain detailed his plan to solve the nation’s health care crisis in a speech here Tuesday, calling for the federal government to give some money to states to help them cover people with illnesses who have been denied health insurance.

Mr. McCain’s health care plan would shift the emphasis from insurance provided by employers to insurance bought by individuals, to foster competition and drive down prices. To do so he is calling for eliminating the tax breaks that currently encourage employers to provide health insurance for their workers, and replacing them with $5,000 tax credits for families to buy their own insurance.

His proposal to move away from employer-based coverage was similar to one that President Bush pushed for last year, to little effect. And his call for expanding coverage through market-based competition is in stark contrast to the Democrats’ proposals to move toward universal health care coverage, with government subsidies to help lower-income people afford their premiums.

The good news is, the contrast between McCain’s approach and the Democrats’ approach couldn’t be greater. For voters concerned about healthcare, there’s a clear and distinct choice.

The bad news is, McCain’s plan is pretty awful, and probably won’t receive much in the way of scrutiny.

In April, McCain, sensitive to criticism he’s received from Elizabeth Edwards (among others), told George Stephanopoulos, “We’re not leaving anybody behind.”

The problem, not surprisingly, is that he’s leaving all kinds of people behind. TNR’s Jonathan Cohn took a close look at McCain’s proposal and concluded, “His great new plan isn’t new or great. And it still wouldn’t help Elizabeth Edwards get decent insurance.” After reviewing McCain’s patchwork solution for people who can’t get insurance due to pre-existing conditions, Cohn added that McCain’s approach is “absolutely preposterous.”

Come to think of it, why should we even believe McCain takes this issue seriously? His Democratic counterparts, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, issued detailed policy proposals more than six months ago — with pages of analysis and explanation, right down to the budget dollars. Those details were a sign of commitment and, on a more practical level, their constant hyping of them represent an investment of political capital.

By contrast, even today’s announcement from the McCain campaign–which was supposed to help fill in the many blanks left before — came with only minimal detail and supporting evidence. The actual proposals are still vague, consisting mostly of bland vows to “work with governors” and make sure premiums for people with pre-existing conditions are “reasonable.” And while health care is the campaign’s focus this week, it’s never occupied the place in his agenda that it does in the Democrats’.

Quite right. The NYT report on McCain’s presentation explained, “Mr. McCain’s speech here implicitly acknowledged some of the shortcomings of his free-market approach. But rather than force insurers to stop cherry-picking the healthiest — and least expensive — patients, Mr. McCain proposed that the federal government work with states to cover those who cannot find insurance on the open market.”

What does “work with” mean? No one has any idea.

Just to add one thing to Cohn’s analysis, there’s also the not-inconsequential matter of affordability. McCain wants to discourage employers from offering employees healthcare, and replace subsidies with $5,000 tax credits. In turn, Americans could go and get their own insurance, detached from their job. (That is, unless you’ve ever been sick, and private insurers don’t want you.)

What McCain didn’t mention is that “average cost of an employer-funded insurance plan is $12,106 for a family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a health policy group. Paul B. Ginsburg, the president of the Center for Studying Health System Change, a nonpartisan research organization financed by foundations and government agencies, said, ‘For a lot of people, the tax credits he’s talking about would not be enough to afford coverage.'”

Hilzoy summarized the situation nicely:

So, in a nutshell: McCain plans to eliminate tax breaks for employers who offer health insurance. In exchange, he will offer employees less than half the cost of the plans they now have. If their employers eliminate care, they will have to swallow the difference. But those employees are the lucky ones. They will only have to cough up $7,000 or so. People with preexisting conditions or serious health risks will have to pay $100,000 as a down payment, and $14,000 a year thereafter.

But hey: at least he’s going to cut the gas tax! […]

It’s easy to make health policy when you don’t allow little things like facts to constrain you: when you can wish away chronic diseases, pretend that corporations are completely unresponsive to changes in the tax structure, and describe programs that leave people with hundreds of thousands of dollars in health care costs as “making sure that they get the high-quality coverage they need.” It’s just not particularly helpful. Plus, it would be even better with ponies.

sorry for hijacking this thread, but here in SA we celebrated Madiba’s b-day today and this was my message to him:

“Barak Obama, in his ‘A More Perfect Union’ speech on race relations on 18 March said:

“This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign – to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous America. I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together – unless we perfect our union by understanding that we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction – towards a better future for of children and our grandchildren.”

I believe that when Nelson Mandela chose to promote reconciliation over retribution, peace over violence, reconstruction over destruction, his vision of South Africa was similar to that of Barak Obama’s present day vision of America, and we are all richer because of it. That is my reason for thanking Mandela for blazing a trail few Africans, let alone African leaders, chose to travel. Happy 90th birth day Madiba!”

  • My impression of McCain’s “plan” is that involves people dying in emergency rooms. That he’s going to make the “system” even more broken. In other words, less of a “plan” and more of a nightmare.

    How many more people have to die on camera, I wonder, before we get a decent healthcare system?

  • It’s painfully obvious that McCain really has no clue what his own platform is. Therefore, in a McCain presidency, we’ll see the same governing style as we saw in the WH the last 7.5 years: I blowhard figurehead being controlled by unknown faces behind the scenes.

    Certainly NOT the model of democracy we need for another 4 years.

    Unfortunately, the election has already been decided. There will be voting problems in FLA and or Ohio, again, and McCain will win in a squeaker.

    The powers that be aren’t going to freely relenquish the cash cow they now have that is the Federal Government.

  • McCain knows GOVERNMENT is TOTALLY INCOMPETENT because he’s the GOVERNMENT!

    Well, I have to agree with him!

    I don’t want the Republicans running anything either!

    They ARE incompetent!

    McCaIn has had “government ” healthcare his whole life and feels healthy enough to be the oldest man to run for President!.

    Apparently the government CAN do a good job when the right people are in charge!

  • Which leads to one of two possibilities: either McCain doesn’t know anything about healthcare policy (in which case he’s spectacularly uninformed), or he does know something about healthcare policy (in which case he’s being spectacularly dishonest). It’s really either one or the other.

    There is, of course, Choice C: McCain is a spectacularly uninformed, spectacularly dishonest quarterwit.

  • Steve I wish you were heading the Obama campaign’s press shop because you know how to hit McCain because Bill Burton isn’t doing his job.

  • Steve, thanks for the post.

    I am amazed that McCain’s health care proposals are not drawing more attention. I don’t think the public gets it that he is proposing a massive, radical change (not even allowing employers to deduct the cost of health care premiums paid for employees) that would destroy the employer-based health insurance system that covers most Americans. McCain has had some shills out on the cable networks claiming his plan will leave individuals to “freely negotiate” their coverage with insurers. Just like they negotiate the fine print terms of their adjustible rate mortgages, I suppose.

    In the debates between Obama and Clinton on this issue, both agreed on one point, don’t destroy the part of the system that is working to fix the part that is not.

  • Sorry, but I completely disagree. Take private healthcare companies out of the mix completely, totally and forever. Healthcare cannot coexist with profits. Period.

    I don’t give a shit if it’s called socialized medicine or what have you. Medicare is managed by the government and it keeps costs down. They have collective bargaining power which ensures that everyone on it has the care they need and the costs are decent.

    NO PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES and NO PROFITS FOR DEATH!

    If you paid to the government what you pay to the insurance companies now, you would have by far more availability to services. All your premiums go into some CEOs pocket.

    I again repeat:

    NO PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES and NO PROFITS FOR DEATH!

  • I’m thinking a good way to attack McCain could be to seize on his extremely superstitious nature, previously documented by CB. One of the tropes liberals are always fighting is that they govern with the heart, not the head, and that we need tough minded pragmatic realists running the show.

    Well, we can turn that around on them, by showing how superstitious McCain is, and explaining that America has already had 8 years of Bush governing by his gut, and “what he knows in his heart.” McCain is offering another 4 years of this nonsense of governing by old-world superstition, snake-oil economic policies such as the gas tax proposal, and his commitment to staying in Iraq anywhere from 1,000 to 1,000,000 years despite the fact tat they don’t want us there.

    Obama, by contrast, will lead with both the heart and the head. He is motivated to do the right thing, such as fixing healthcare, but will pursue solutions that employ the best minds and expertise available in the area to reach no-nonsense, workable solutions.

  • I’m always surprised at how few people have a conceptual understanding of the health care “system” in the U.S. Their understandings get short circuited by buzzwords like “socialized medicine” or “choice” etc.

    I seriously doubt John McCain has objectively analyzed the “system.” His knowledge comes from folks who won’t or can’t conceive of a system where insurance companies are making profits. In their minds, successful insurance companies must mean a successful health care system. They want all public health care dollars (like Medicare) to be funnelled through insurance companies. It’s as if insurance companies are the primary patient that needs the most care and resources.

    Read Krugman today.

  • Government infiltrated by corporate cronies and purchased politicians is corrupt….that is McCain’s government. It is an America by & for the corporations.

    We the people would like to see our government reclaimed to rebuild America and help Americans….an America by and for the people without politicians whose interests are elsewhere.

    This means we need campaign finance reform and media news reform to ensure that we the voters get good politicians and real political news.

    I am so sick of the pap and propaganda now served to us as news…and upon which most voting Americans build their opinions!

  • And don’t forget the other people McSame’s plan leaves behind. By proposing a ‘tax credit’ (if I understand the term correctly) only those with taxable income will receive the credit. I am a 59 year old retiree with no income, living of my investments. Therefore under McSame’s plan, I’m f*cked, am I right?

    Also, my privately purchased, high deductible, high co-pay plan costs over $4,000 a year, for myself only; no family.

    McSame’s “plan” is a damned joke.

  • I think it’s pretty obvious that McCain’s plan is to sit the Insurance Companies and the Sick People down and say, “Stop the bullshit.” And then they can just hash out everything right there. That’s what being president is all about: Talking straight and making people fix their own damn problems.

  • It is an obscenity that health insurers make a profit from denying benefits, I have lived with national health insurance in England, lived in Europe and seen the superior system there, not one person in the whole of Europe/UK has to worry about payment of health bills, healthcare is a right. My husband who has never paid a penny into the UK system had superb care, an operations for an aortic annuerism, round the clock nursing in intensive care and if he had asked for a bill, he would have been given a smile and told we do not do bills!

  • The Str8TalkXpress(TM) must run on tired buzzwords.

    No one tell McCane that the political and economic climate has changed a bit since the valiant ReThugs defeated evil nasty socialist Hillarycare.

    Also, what MsJoanne said.

  • I though Hillary Clinton and John McCain were good friends? What happened?

    lol

  • When a comenter at Democratic Underground suggested expanding Medicare and Medicaid for all Americans another commenter stated hell no…Medicare didn’t pay hardly anything on his heart surgery etc without the slightest realization that Medicare currently only covers a very small percentage of the population. If it were “expanded for all” then it would have much larger coverage plus the people could influence and make it more effective with their vote.

    Until we have a system that is NOT FOR PROFIT will we have a fair and effective healthcare system. Until then we just allow the lobbyists to keep influencing congress to help pass legislation that will increase their bottom line. The hospitals , clinics and medical professionals are not run by the government… only the ins. cos. We’ve let a few thousand greedy people profiteer from our health care which drove just as many into bankruptcy and death.

    Obama should follow the Kucinich healthcare plan rather than continue to allow the profiteers to have a hand in it.

  • MsJoanne, I would respectfully note that there’s a difference between “private healthcare companies,” by which I presume you mean non-governmental hospitals, clinics and practices, and private insurance companies…and that it’s the latter that are the problem.

  • Don’t forget investors/speculators, the same ones driving up the cost of oil, gas and heating oil, are the same ones “investing” in all types of healthcare companies from insurance to medical devices in order to rake in the profits when the boomers age.

    Republicans are for three things: less taxes, less regulation, and capitalism and all three of these things = profits. That means anything that enriches the investor class and business at the expense of individuals. That’s all you need to know to understand them.

  • I’ll take the current system or socialized care — my friend in Australia pays exhorbitant taxes, but has better coverage than just about 95% of the people in this country — over this crap that McCain is selling. Nevermind my employer, our share of employer coverage is about $650 a month ($7,800). On top of that, we had $11,000 out of pocket for a family of four in ’07. $5,000 is a drop in the bucket.

  • Obama’s healthcare plan doesn’t go nearly far enough, though it’s far better than McCain’s. It’s hardly “socialized medicine.” In fact, it should be. It works in England, Denmark, Sweden, etc. I’ve said it before. The American people would be far better off if insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies were nationalized. It’s pathetic that people can go bankrupt or DIE because of our healthcare system. This is one area that competition is NOT appropriate. Back in the 70’s, “managed care” became the biggest and brightest way to contain costs. It’s failed miserably. When profit and the bottom line is what’s important, nothing else is. Including people’s lives.

  • JSMcC*nt knows what he is told by his staffers. They told him fifteen years ago that Clinton’s proposal was socialized medicine. Do you think a busy Senator like JSMcC*nt has time to check it out for himself?

    And this is the way all wingnuts are. They listen to O’Liely and RMush and they know everything they can handle knowing.

    It’s why they don’t want Evolution taught in schools. They can’t handle knowing scientific truth because it would require them to use something other than a belief in the infallibility of the Bible as a basis for their moral system. If they aren’t going to go to hell for it, they can’t imagine a reason to be ‘good’.

  • Outside of the time spent in the Hilton, has McCain ever had to deal with the availability of healthcare, the cost of health care, or face the loss of insurance of healthcare in the private sector? Will he ever even have to think about it? Yet he knows best how to fix “our” healthcare problems. The man is clueless.

  • Yup, that’s the way to woo the Hillary supporters…

    And if those disaffected supporters don’t choke on this one, then they’ll get what they deserve.

  • “Republicans are for three things: less taxes, less regulation, and capitalism”
    “Always hopeful” says this like its a bad thing!

    As opposed to higher taxes, more regulation, and socialism? is that a beter system for ya?

    ill stick with the first three no matter how many people dont get health coverage because of it! less taxes are the reason for the Revolutionary War, and capitalism beat socialism during the cold war, dont you people learn from history?

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