The way to win the DADT debate — hand the other side a microphone

On the advice of more than 50 retired generals and admirals, the House Armed Services Committee agreed yesterday to revisit the utility of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. The discriminatory standard, which has led to the discharge of thousands of capable troops serving in the midst of two wars, has already been rejected by voters, and lawmakers are prepared to rethink the approach.

But what’s the best way to win the policy debate? Emphasize fairness? Military readiness? The fact that gay soldiers are already serving their country honorably? The fact that it costs a lot of money to undermine our own national security?

No, as it turns out, the way to make it painfully obvious that the right is wrong about this is simply to let conservatives present their argument out loud.

The House Armed Services personnel subcommittee made just such a miscalculation yesterday. Holding the first hearing in 15 years on the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, lawmakers invited a quartet of veterans to testify on the subject and also extended an invitation to [Elaine Donnelly], who has been working for years to protect our fighting forces from the malign influence of women.

Donnelly treated the panel to an extraordinary exhibition of rage. She warned of “transgenders in the military.” She warned that lesbians would take pictures of people in the shower. She spoke ominously of gays spreading “HIV positivity” through the ranks.

“We’re talking about real consequences for real people,” Donnelly proclaimed. Her written statement added warnings about “inappropriate passive/aggressive actions common in the homosexual community,” the prospects of “forcible sodomy” and “exotic forms of sexual expression,” and the case of “a group of black lesbians who decided to gang-assault” a fellow soldier.

At the witness table with Donnelly, retired Navy Capt. Joan Darrah, a lesbian, rolled her eyes in disbelief. Retired Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, a gay man who was wounded in Iraq, looked as if he would explode.

Ironically, the more this apparently unhinged lunatic railed against gays in her testimony, the more lawmakers realized there are no legitimate arguments in support of the DADT policy.

Rep. Vic Snyder (D-Ark.) labeled her statement “just bonkers” and “dumb,” and he called her claims about an HIV menace “inappropriate.” Said Snyder: “By this analysis . . . we ought to recruit only lesbians for the military, because they have the lowest incidence of HIV in the country.”

Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-Pa.), a veteran of the war in Iraq, called Donnelly’s words “an insult to me and many of the soldiers” by saying they “aren’t professional enough to serve openly with gay troops while successfully completing their military mission.”

Rep. Chris Shays (R-Conn.), pointing at Navy Capt. Darrah, asked Donnelly, “Would you please tell me, Miss Donnelly, why I should give one twit about this woman’s sexual orientation, when it didn’t interfere one bit with her service?”

When Donnelly started to say something about “forced intimacy,” Shays cut her off: “You’re saying she has no right to serve her country because she happens to have a different sexual orientation than you.”

Donnelly responded, “What would you say to Cynthia Yost, the woman on a training exercise assaulted by a group of lesbians?”

Now, I’ve never heard of Yost, but if Donnelly is right — a huge “if” — there was an alleged assault in 1974. In other words, we should prohibit millions of American volunteers from serving in the military in 2008 — during two wars — because of a single incident, which may or may not have occurred, involving lesbians 34 years ago.

By that logic, any instance of sexual assault committed by a heterosexual man in the Armed Forces over the last three decades should necessarily prevent the Pentagon from allowing openly-straight soldiers from serving in the military.

I should note that the committee also heard from sane people.

It was tempting to think that Donnelly had been chosen by Democrats to sabotage the case against open military service for homosexuals. But Republicans had consented to the witness panel, which also included retired Army Maj. Gen. Vance Coleman, a black man who likened the current policy to racial segregation in the military, and retired Army Sgt. Maj. Brian Jones, who argued almost as passionately as Donnelly for the need to keep the military straight.

The subcommittee chairwoman, Susan Davis (D-Calif.), asked for the “utmost respect,” and John McHugh (N.Y.), the ranking Republican, urged a “civil discussion.” That held up as Coleman spoke of one of the openly gay soldiers who served with him in Korea, Darrah spoke of the “constant fear of being outed and fired,” and Alva spoke of his lost leg and how he “nearly died to secure rights for others that I myself was not free to enjoy.”

Then came Donnelly, severe in a black jacket with a flag pin on her lapel as she attacked the “San Francisco left who want to impose their agenda on the military.”

Oliver Willis concluded, “In the near future some kid is going to ask his dad: ‘You mean they really stopped people for serving their country, not because they couldn’t perform the job but because they were gay? That’s dumb.'” And the kid will be right.

Maybe those of us who take justice, equality, and national security seriously ought to send Elaine Donnelly a thank-you note. She made clear yesterday that the only reason to exclude gay Americans from military service is blind hatred.

Post Script: Keep in mind, by the way, that when it comes this debate and the presidential campaign, John McCain is on Elaine Donnelly’s side.

“inappropriate passive/aggressive actions common in the homosexual community”

We’re all dying to know what these are. And which passive/aggressive actions she considers appropriate. And which ones common to homosexuals are uncommon to heterosexuals.

  • Donnelly and the military are only concerned with sexual assault when it’s monogendered? What was it, something like 15% of current female verterans experienece some sort of sexual trauma?

    Where’s Donnelly’s outrage about those real incidents? Or his her indignation only reserved for the fictional rape she dreams up in her free time?

    I swear, these fools are nothing but closet cases whose self repression has led to fantastic and unrealistic images about what it means to be gay. Coulple that with the aggression and tension produced by years of denial and it’s no wonder they lash out like this.

  • Somehow I don’t think transcripts will do for this one, I’m going to hunt later when I get some time but if anyone finds the video of this (if it exists)……………..

  • Keep in mind, by the way, that when it comes this debate and the presidential campaign, John McCain is on Elaine Donnelly’s side.

    Don’t you think the similarity between these two goes deeper than agreeing on an issue?

  • There are always going to be gay people in the military. Always have been. The only issue is if you’re going to make them lie about it. Making them keep it a secret only gives unscrupulous people something to hold over on them, threatening to out them.

  • Donnelly responded, “What would you say to Cynthia Yost, the woman on a training exercise assaulted by a group of lesbians?”

    This statement is possibly the most outrageous out of a wide assortment of outrageous statements — American service women are getting sexually harassed / assaulted by (presumably) hetero male soldiers all the freakin’ time.

    What a loon this Donnelly woman is. Please, please let her be tied to McCain.

  • Donnelly and the military are only concerned with sexual assault when it’s monogendered? What was it, something like 15% of current female verterans experienece some sort of sexual trauma?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but dear Elaine doesn’t want women in the military, either. I’m sure they got what’s coming to them.

  • “inappropriate passive/aggressive actions common in the homosexual community,” the prospects of “forcible sodomy” and “exotic forms of sexual expression,”

    One thing that is very clear regarding all of these virulently anti-gay right wingers: they spend an awefull lot of time obssessing on gay sex. It seems to occupy a great portion of their over active immaginations. Are they secrestly turned on by the notion or are their own sex lives so dull?

    I’d like to comment further, but I have a date tonight, and to be honest, “exotic forms of sexual expressions”don’t just happen . I have to plan things out, figure out the correct wardrobe, come up with a little choreography…alot of work and maybe nothing will happen anyway.

  • Great Leaping Lesbians!!!! Why did Donnelly stop there? She could have shown a clip of the flying monkeys from the Wizard of OZ as graphic evidence of how these pernicious lesbians operate. Sounds like she was 99% of the way there.

  • This self-exposing (ahem) tactic by bigots is what sealed the deal for first-in-the-nation civil unions in Vermont. Legislators listening to the hate spewing from right-wing and conservative religious mouths saw for themselves a live demonstration of why the law was needed. Several legislators after the vote in 2000 said they’d been on the fence until that testimony.

    There are still legislators who believe in equal justice and equal rights, the baseline promises of the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the Vermont Constitution, too.

  • “One thing that is very clear regarding all of these virulently anti-gay right wingers: they spend an awefull lot of time obssessing on gay sex.”

    so true, so true. i’m a gay man, and they spend far more time obsessing about gay sex than i do 🙂

  • Keep in mind, by the way, that when it comes this debate and the presidential campaign, John McCain is on Elaine Donnelly’s side.

    Uh, if the media would actually tell people that, then we’d be getting somewhere.

    As it stands, though, they’ll probably find some moderate statement of his to repeat for the masses.

  • You can watch the video or listen to the audio of the hearing online at
    http://armedservices.house.gov/hearing_information.shtml

    Wednesday, July 23, 2008 – 2:00 pm – 2118 Rayburn – Open

    The Military Personnel Subcommittee will meet to hear testimony on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Review.

    Subcommittee Chairwoman Davis’ Opening Statement
    Video Webcast
    Audio Transcript
    Witnesses:

    Major General Vance Coleman, USA, (Ret.) (pdf)

    Former artillery officer and Division Commander

    Captain Joan E. Darrah, USN, (Ret.) (pdf)

    Former Naval intelligence officer

    Staff Sergeant Eric Alva, USMC, (Ret.) (pdf)

    Wounded Iraq war veteran

    Ms. Elaine Donnelly (pdf)

    President

    Center for Military Readiness

    Sergeant Major Brian Jones, USA, (Ret.) (pdf)

    Former Army Special Operations and current business owner and chief executive officer

  • But we have to take Donnelly seriously. She was wearing a flag pin on her lapel.

  • She’s just upset she couldn’t finish with her “They’re all witches and they turned me into a newt”- to which they would reply- “Lady it wouldn’t matter in your case”

  • It is a shame that no one called Col.(ret.) George H. Scithers to testify — some of you know him as the editor of several SF magazines, including ASIMOV’S. He was so deeply in the closet that I remember a conversation I had with two friends — I knew him slightly, they had known him for years and attended many conventions with him — and none of us knew for sure if he was “gay, straight, or ‘had tried sex once and decided he didn’t like it.'” (He was also an extremely conservative Republican, btw.) Even so, it was probably only his sexual orientation that kept him from retiring as a General.

    Finally, once he’d retired he was able to come out — and I’d guess he would have had some great stories to tell.

  • Someone alert the McCain campaign people quick, they absolutely need Elaine Donnelly as a spokesperson for McCain on the subject of gays in the military. She might even show the same expertise on other subjects…perhaps gay marriage?

  • To repost something I wrote on Friday…

    These homophobic idiots are forgetting one thing that LGB persons, both civilian and military, know very well: it ain’t smart to just go around announcing our orientation to everyone we meet. It’s not like we wear a pink triangle embroidered on our shirts to identify ourselves to the general public. As always, the insecure rank-and-file James Dobsons of America are imagining the worst case scenario where the gay guy in an infantry unit runs through the barracks in a dress loudly proclaiming, “I’m gay and you all have to love me for it!” and then tries to rape them in the shower. (And the rest of the unit quickly realizes that they’re actually secretly repressed gays, throw down their weapons, and spend their time getting pedicures and watching “Queer As Folk” and encouraging children to grow up to be gay atheist abortion doctors.)

    Please. Reality isn’t so bad; want to come live in it with the rest of us?

    Think about it. There are currently LGB personnel in the armed forces who are out to their units. Would they have done that if they feared for their safety, their career, their lives at the mercy of their fellow servicemembers? Highly unlikely. Those in units stuffed with Tony Perkins clones will remain silent and discreet, same as they have always done. (I certainly didn’t come out to my unit as a lesbian until my enlistment was almost up.) The only difference is that they wouldn’t be automatically kicked out of the service if the chain of command found out the gender of the person waiting for them at home. No one is asking for mandatory MWR-sponsored boy on boy porn nights. We only want to be treated with the same human dignity as straight people, and not fired because of the gender of the person we love.

    I won’t even address how incredibly insulting it is for the these fascists to presume that every gay person out there is a predator who can’t resist humping the leg of every same-gender person he/she meets. That’s just par for the course for people who think critical thinking skills are in that block marked “optional.”

    And as far as that whole “assaulted by a group of lesbians” thing…when I was in boot camp back in the 1990’s, I did indeed hear a story from my drill instructor of a recruit who was raped with a crowbar by the other females in her division as revenge. I don’t know what social construct Elaine Donnelly is from, but in polite society we all have realized that rape is about power, violence, and humiliation, not sex. It certainly has nothing to do with “forced cohabitation, forced intimacy,” “same-gender sexual tension,” or the way “gay people sexualize the workplace.” Yes, Elaine Donnelly actually said that gay people sexualize the workplace. Please. I don’t even have a photo of my partner on my desk, let alone a Miller Time ad of an airbrushed bimbo wearing dental floss.

  • Maybe McCain could make a joke right about now about a gorilla or the imagined progency of say, Ms. Donnelly and Janet Reno… you know, just to be passive aggressive.

  • Hate is a scary thing. Mindless hate is worse because you laugh so hard at the idiot that you don’t take time to remember that their hate has real consequences and real victums.

    Don’t just laugh at the likes of Donnelly.

  • I have to say, of all the comment boards I’ve read, this is by far the best and smartest. I’m hooked.

  • “Exotic forms of sexual expression.”

    Sounds like Ms Donnelly has some secret yearnings of her own.

    I’ve always wondered how it is that such ass-tight, straight, good “christian” women know so much about gay sex.

    ‘Ol Elaine just needs a good stiff drink to kill that bug up her ass, and let Nature take it’s course.

    She’ll be much happier, and the rest of us won’t have to listen to her carping

  • “These homophobic idiots are forgetting one thing that LGB persons, both civilian and military, know very well: it ain’t smart to just go around announcing our orientation to everyone we meet.”

    I have two grown daughters and when they began dating I explained how painful it was for a man to be kicked in a certain area If some guy tried to come on to them.

    What I find amazing is all the homophobics out there who think they can’t take the same action!

    Women have been defending themselves from un-wanted sexual advances their whole lives.

    The fear that Ms.Donnelly is trying to impose on people is sickning!

  • I swear to god, I was giggling so hard while I read that. Donnelly would appear to me that she is the most stereotypical self-hating closet homosexual EVER. She “fears” us exotic lesbians and bisexual women. With our… forced intimacy and our sexual expressions. Oh my. If the military was really all she and her vibrator dreamed it up to be, I think I might join too!

    (Note: there is nothing funny about forced intimacy of any kind, but rape-fantasies are not uncommon, especially in the world of BDSM. I would not doubt that Donnelly dreams of a lover with slow hands and a gentle way and a lot of lipstick who will ravage her upon command. I have some friends who could help her with that, as well, wink wink.)

  • A comment at AMERICAblog pointed me here and it’s a fair statement I’ll be back, Steve. You inspired me to write my own commentary on my blog; will be up shortly.

    I’m not following much of these debates on TV on the papers, but I know enough about the issues and heard enough NPR and other talk radio commentary to hold a belief that the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy should be repealed. When the majority of Americans, regardless of political belief, not to mention senior military officials, oppose the policy because it restricts the power of the military, shouldn’t Congress listen to those who elected them and do something?

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