Libertarian Support for Barack Obama

Guest Post by Ron Chusid

When I was guest blogging at The Carpetbagger Report in January I wrote a post on Ron Paul which demonstrated (especially from the comments many wrote in response to the post) that there is a lot of irrationality in the libertarian movement. Fortunately the Paul supporters represent only one segment of libertarianism. I also noted that many libertarians were outraged by the racism expressed in Paul’s writings, while others also disagreed with some of his other conservative views. In other words, not all libertarians are irrational, regardless of whether you disagree with them, despite the impression given by those backing Ron Paul.

There is also a wide amount of variation in views among libertarians, with some libertarians even supporting Barack Obama. I’ve recently pointed out that a Rasmussen poll showed that libertarians preferred Obama over McCain by a margin of 53% to 38%. Of course many libertarians, even regardless of whether they prefer Obama or McCain, will wind up voting for Bob Barr, who has acted to repudiate the racists who backed Ron Paul.

I’ve been tracking posts from both libertarians and conservatives which show support for Obama at Liberal Values. Earlier this month the San Francisco Chronicle looked at libertarian support for Obama which I noted here. Bruce Bartlett has also written on this topic in an article at The New Republic:

The largest group of Obamacons hail from the libertarian wing of the movement. And it’s not just Andrew Sullivan. Milton and Rose Friedman’s son, David, is signed up with the cause on the grounds that he sees Obama as the better vessel for his father’s cause. Friedman is convinced of Obama’s sympathy for school vouchers–a tendency that the Democratic primaries temporarily suppressed. Scott Flanders, the CEO of Freedom Communications–the company that owns The Orange County Register–told a company meeting that he believes Obama will accomplish the paramount libertarian goals of withdrawing from Iraq and scaling back the Patriot Act.

Libertarians (and other varieties of Obamacons, for that matter) frequently find themselves attracted to Obama on stylistic grounds. That is, they believe that he has surrounded himself with pragmatists, some of whom (significantly) come from the University of Chicago. As the blogger Megan McArdle has written, “His goal is not more government so that we can all be caught up in some giant, expressive exercise of collectively enforcing our collective will on all the other people standing around us in the collective; his goal is improving transparency and minimizing government intrusion while rectifying specific outcomes.”

I’ve previously quoted more from both Megan McArdle and David Friedman on their preference for Obama over McCain. In The Los Angeles Times, Megan wrote:

Obama is the right man for his party, and McCain is the wrong one. Obama is not only personally inspiring, but he also seems to have a deep understanding of the value of markets and transparency; he aims to fix outcomes, not tinker with the process. McCain, on the other hand, shows little respect for spontaneous free order or suspicion of expanded state power; he seems to think that the main problem with the government is that the wrong people are pulling the strings.

David Friedman answered questions about why he prefers Obama to McCain:

McCain strikes me as a nationalist, likely to be comfortable with retaining and even expanding on the increases in executive authority claimed by Bush. He is also the one pro-war candidate. War, as observed long ago, is the health of the state. While there may be circumstances where all other alternatives are worse, I do not think this qualifies.

Perhaps I am too optimistic about Obama, but I do not think he is going to turn out to be an orthodox liberal. There is a group of intellectuals connected with the University of Chicago who have accepted a good deal of the Chicago school analysis but still want to think of themselves as leftists. They are, as I see it, trying to construct a new version of what “left” means. Examples would be Cass Sunstein and Austan Goolsby, both at Chicago, and Larry Lessig, who used to be there.

Sunstein describes himself as a libertarian paternalist, meaning that he wants to take advantage of elements of irrationality in individual decision making to nudge people into making what he considers the right decisions, while leaving them free not to if they so wish. Goolsby, judging by webbed pieces of his I’ve read, is a pro-market economist who happens to be a Democrat, rather like Alfred Kahn, who gave us airline dereguation under Carter. He is also Obama’s economic advisor. I do not agree with all his views—for details of one disagreement see an earlier post—but I like them better than the views usually supported by Democratic politicians and their advisors.

Obama himself, while obviously constrained by the fact that he is trying to get nominated, has occasionally let things slip that suggest a more libertarian view than typical of liberal senators. At one point he said something mildly favorable about school vouchers, retreating rapidly under pressure from the teachers’ unions, and similarly with marijuana decriminalization. His most visible disagreement with Clinton is over her plan to force everyone to buy health insurance. He appears uncomfortable with that degree of coercion, even though he is willing to use the less direct version—taxation to subsidize the insurance that he thinks people ought to have.

Bush was elected on a pro-market, small government, platform and proceeded to greatly expand the size of government—and not only in the form of military spending. His view of the legitimate power of the executive branch, including the authority to deliberately violate federal law, I find frightening. Perhaps, if we are lucky, Obama will turn out to be the anti-Bush.

For those who are interested in reading more on some of the items mentioned by Friedman, I’ve quoted more from Cass Sunstein’s writings on Obama’s views here and had a recent post on libertarian paternalism here.

Barack Obama is not a libertarian, but others have found libertarian aspects of his views which could explain why many libertarians back him. Back in January I’ve quoted from Daniel Koffler who labeled Obama a left-libertarian. After a lengthier discussion of his thoughts on Obama’s views, he concluded:

In other words and in short, Obama’s slogan, “stand for change”, is not a vacuous message of uplift, but a content-laden token of dissent from the old-style liberal orthodoxy on which Clinton and Edwards have been campaigning. At the same time, Obama is not offering a retread of (Bill) Clintonism, Liebermanism, triangulation, neoliberalism, the Third Way or whatever we might wish to call the business-friendly centrism of the 1990s. For all its lofty talk of new paradigms and boundary shifting, the Third Way in practice amounted to taking a little of column A, a little of column B, and marketing the result as something new and innovative. Obama and Goolsbee propose something entirely different – not a triangulation, but a basis for crafting public policy orthogonal to the traditional liberal-conservative axis.

If this approach needs a name, call it left-libertarianism. Advancements in behavioural economics, public and rational choice theory, and game theory provide us with an opportunity to attend to inequality without crippling the economy, enhancing the coercive power of the state, or infringing on personal liberty (at least not to any extent greater than the welfare state already does; and as much as my libertarian friends might wish otherwise, the welfare state isn’t going anywhere). The cost – higher marginal tax rates – is real, but eminently justified by the benefits.

Just as there are many different types of libertarians, there is no single definition for left-libertarianism.  This does provide a clear distinction between the types of libertarians who back Obama and those whose views are closer to Ron Paul.  I recently quoted from Marcus Westbury, writing in The Sydney Morning Herald, who wrote about the growth of left-libertarianism and the adoption of such views by many progressives:

When did left-leaning libertarianism become the significant and perhaps even dominant ideology among progressives?

A generation or two ago the dominant left-wing ideology was decidedly authoritarian socialism. But only right-wing commentators and museum-piece communists seriously think anyone really believes in socialist-style central planning any more. So who, exactly, are these libertarian lefties? The best I can offer is anecdotal observations mixed with tenuous extrapolations about how they may differ from the socialist left and the libertarian right.

They value diversity. They recognise it both as an innate right and a precondition to innovation. They are committed to social justice but less inclined than their socialist forebears to achieve it by trying to make all things constrictively equal.

They’re sceptical of highly centralised, bureaucratic and inefficient structures. However, most of them see that up close in the corporate sector rather than as the exclusive problem of government.

They believe in freedom but do not see free markets and freedom as entirely the same. They tend to think governments must play an active role in ensuring freedom is protected from unscrupulous employers or predatory companies, reflected in the choices and opportunities we have in our personal lives, or reflected in the diversity of media available.

They tend to regard choice and competition as generally good and cannot imagine price controls or state-run industries. But they know that the market often fails, and they don’t trust it alone to tackle issues like climate change or health care. They see market power as just as likely an impediment to freedom as governments.

They are sceptical of over-regulation, believing regulation should be proportional to power and influence, and not the other way around. They question why the deregulation of economics has concentrated on the powerful, while nanny-state regulation, politicised micro-management and national security has made life more complex for the poor and the powerless.

Most of all they tend to be both idealistic and pragmatic and unable to accept that we should not try to achieve more.

Others have also argued that left-libertarianism is very similar to contemporary liberalism, which makes an overlap in support for Obama between both libertarians and liberals understandable. Such liberal and libertarian fusionism, or liberaltarianism, has been a common topic of discussion in both liberal and libertarian blogs, which I have posted about several times, including here, here, and here.

Cross posted from Liberal Values

Yah. I voted for Ron Paul back in 1988 and supported him the Republican primaries this go ’round.

And yes, I am now an Obamacan. An old-style disillusioned, idealistic pragmatist looking for a little hope in national government.

Regards, the Gorb

  • What a great topic to think about.

    Good to see the thinking Libertarians seeing McCain for the dangerous dingbat he is.

  • Count me as one real-life flesh-and-blood big-L Libertarian who wants Obama to win.

    And yes, I’ll probably vote for Barr unless there’s some chance both that my state could swing the election and that the voting would be close in my state. The odds against either, let alone both, are astronomical.

  • I am a Pual supporter. I am NOT a loon, I simply believe in liberty. Those that criticize Dr. Paul only understand the principle as it applies to THEM. They just can’t imageine that OTHER preople might want liberty TOO. Every time I hear the cries to denounce this or that person it makes me think – man, that guy really doesn’t like liberty! People have a perfect right to say whatever they want and I don’t think it’s very cool at all that we should go around trying to shame people for what they say. Freedom of speech is an essential tenet of liberty. I may think you’re a jerk but whatever stupid thing you say, no matter how bigoted or lamebrained is free speech PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION WHICH WE SHOULD ALL DIE RATHER THAN SEE SUPRESSED.
    I will explain in simple words for those who haven’t thought it through. That how all the curtailment of our rights started – by the agents of the government pointing at someone and saying – oh- that’s terrible! Do you hear what she’s saying? Oh, she should be ASHAMED. There ought to be a LAW that keeps decent people from having to hear what he just said. Suddenly television is being censored. Cable TV wasn’t regulated when it started, now it too is censored. When the goverment controls what you see, they control what you think.

  • Interesting! In discussions with libertarians on the Internet, I’ve sometimes thought of myself as a left-libertarian, but it’s hard to make the case to right-libertarians, sometimes, that left-libertarianism is any kind of libertarianism at all. I blame Ayn Rand, of course. 🙂

  • That’s a very interesting subject, Ron. It’s just too big for me to say anything coherent about. Synthesizing a left-right libertarianism sets up a game of pong in my head. Fun though.

  • A BIG thanks to the subs today. CB, I hope you were able to enjoy this excellent day here in Vermont. One of the better days this summer.

  • Ron,

    Great post. I tend to agree with Westbury’s analysis. While I consider myself a progressive and tend to lean-Democrat, I can definitely see the overlap with libertarianism. Conservative Republicans, especially of the Bush variety, have more in common with fascist authoritarianism than any Dem currently on the left. Of course, try to explain that to a suburban Republican and they will hit you over the head with their weedwhacker.

    I just added your blog to my ‘must read’ list.

  • I identified myself as a left libertarian about 30 years ago – glad to see the rest of the world is catching up.

    And for Louis – I agree with you that speech should not be suppressed, but not that stupid speech should not be denounced. If you can’t denounce someone then you don’t have freedom of speech.

  • As said above, Ron, great post. Now a question for anyone out there: does Mike Gravel qualify as a left-libertarian? I ask because American Public Media had/has a survey that you can take giving your views on various issues and it matches you up with the candidate that most closely represents those. Much to our surprise, my husband, several of my co-workers and I matched up with him and had to go to The Google to find out who he is. Who knew we fell into such a minority! 🙂

    Having said that, I’m still voting Obama.

  • Thoughtful piece, Rod. All these labels get pretty confusing, but if one defines libertarianism as the counter to authoritarianism, some libertarians can lean left and others right. Just how that plays out in the Libertarian Party is another matter, but I get the sense some self-defined libertarians are projecting their visions onto Obama just as many progressives have done. I’m not sure Obama is really what they want him to be, but a vote is a vote. If it keeps McCain out of the WH, then, ‘welcome aboard!’

  • Translation: “Come on over—we’re glad to have you, and you’re welcome here.”

    That, in a nutshell, is what Obama’s “bridge-building” is all about; it’s not the status quo of “our way or the highway,” but it’s an open invitation to the national/global table.

    There will be Hill-dot-forty-four-ers “Democrats” who reject the concept—but there will be Republicans, Independents, and yes—even Libertarians who embrace the concept of national dialogue for an open debate to resolve the horrific damage wrought upon the republic by the Bushylvanians.

  • Michigoose,

    : does Mike Gravel qualify as a left-libertarian?

    Considering that the label left-libertarian encompasses a variety of viewpoints, Gravel could be included. He even ran for the Libertarian Party nomination this year.

    I had a brief post on his history here:

    http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=3324

    Besides opposing the Vietnam and Iraq wars, he assisted in the release of The Pentagon Papers and helped end the draft.

  • Steve,

    In many cases libertarians and conservatives have noted such a dialogue in articles backing Obama. They might note areas of disagreement with Obama but also see him as the candidate with a chance to win who is most likely to take their views into consideration.

  • I remember when Kos made the Libertarian argument a few years ago.

    The wingnutosphere went nuttier.

    You gotta remember Libertarians are all that comfortable with the theological bent of the GOP. Add in that the GOP is bankrupting the treasury and increasing the size and scope of gov’t.

    So these dude are open to reason.

  • First of all, most voters in a national election are irrational. The chances of a single vote influencing the outcome are so remote one is more likley to be killed enroute to and from their polling place. It would be smarter to work for 15 minutes and donate the money. The only reason to vote for a cantidate is because you enojoy doing it and want to support that cantidate or party.

    With respect to Obama, I think he lacks integrity. I have yet to see him show any respect for a fair electorial process. In his senate bid, unlike his Republican and Independent counterparts he refused to debate the Libertarian cantidate Jerry Kohn. If he were to promote fair ballot access laws, ranked-choice voting, privately financed conventions, and debate our cantidates, my view might change.

    While he is sometimes with us on the issues, he seems ready to sell us out on those in order to pass socialist economic policy; a major problem with the Democrats in general. I have yet to see “libertarian paternialism” actually promoted as a way to increase freedom, say by allowing one out of Social Security by signing a strong disclaimer.

    As much as I’d like to see the war end, I fear socialized medicine will be worse. The differences from Hillary’s plan seem like Fabianism. He has said it would be manditory if he gets 90% compliance, and he’ll have the full force of government to do so. Social Security started out small and has been with us ever since, whereas every war has eventually ended. Many libertarians who support Obama either have insurance or don’t object to it.

  • McCain strikes me as a nationalist, likely to be comfortable with retaining and even expanding on the increases in executive authority claimed by Bush.

    I would dearly love to see more questions on their ideas of executive power and their support or lack thereof of the current administration. It’s the biggest uncovered issue out there (no poorly covered, like Iraq, uncovered). Every day brings another claim of executive privilege or state secrets or national security. At this point, my greatest fear is that we may never know what crimes were committed by the President*, not just that he kept them hidden them while in office.

  • As a libertarian, and Paul supporter, I cannot in good conscience vote for Obama (or McCain), however certainly hope he wins and I will do everything short of voting to make sure that McCain is seen for what he is.

  • Hi Dale, @ 11.

    I got a website too, though not a blog.That’s the reason I don’t put it in my signature; I don’t think people here would be much interested in my “other life”. That, and because it’s not been updated in ages; I’m so ‘puter-illiterate, I have to wait for Christmas and my son coming home from the West Coast to do it for me. And, if he’s not in the mood… It has to wait another year,

  • This post certainly hits on something. I consider the constitution the main driver of my philosophy, I believe in socialism where it makes sense like having a single payer universal health care system, but I am also very skeptical of big government. The Kelo v. New London decision was terrible. I voted for Ron Paul this year and I will proudly vote for Obama.

    by the racism expressed Paul’s writings

    That’s a weird phrase. If you mean “in Paul’s writings,” then it’s also slightly misleading. You might say “in Paul’s newsletter” instead.

    Regardless- it’s a very good post that helps move the discourse ahead.

  • Haik,

    I corrected the “in” that got dropped when I was making changes in that line before posting. However writings is not misleading. While I didn’t go into this in detail here, if you go back to the previous post and those I link to, it was ultimately found that Paul was responsible for at least some of the newsletter articles under his name.

  • it was ultimately found that Paul was responsible for at least some of the newsletter articles under his name

    So you’re saying he wrote some of the articles? The racist ones?

    If so, then you ought to be able to pull a racist excerpt, put quotes around it and attribute it to Ron Paul. Can you do that?

  • “Cass Sunstein and Austan Goolsby, both at Chicago, and Larry Lessig, …”

    Ego maniacs one and all. Detrimental cons posing as liberals and certainly not progressive by any means. It is what wrong with Obama’s campaign listening to these warped minds.
    As Glenn Greenwald puts it on Sunstein…the right wing always says “even-left wing-liberal-Cass-Sunstein-agrees-with-Bush” . The old Chicago School Boys economics has been responsible for killing hundreds of thousand and are an eye for concern according to Naomi Klein referring specifically to Goolsby..and just reading Lessig’s support of FISA where he either didn’t read it or understand it makes one know he certainly doesn’t know what he is talking about with his failed attempt to justify Obama’s vote.
    Any of these three involved in the campaign will make sure the apple doesn’t fall too far away from the Bush. But god, they are from U of Chig. and know it all…just ask them…if you can get them to open their ears.

  • I run in libertarian circles you might say, and the idea that Obama is in any way libertarian is, quite frankly, laughable. Left-libertarians still believe in free markets and low/no taxes, they just have more fixation on drug legalization and gay marriage than “right” libertarians who care more about gun rights and are more comfortable with religion. There is some divide among libertarians about how hawkish to be as well.

    I guess what I’m saying is that there is no way to reasonably stretch the definition of libertarianism to include socialized health care, class warfare and “soak the rich” taxation, micro-management of our lives in the name of global warming, massive restrictions on gun rights, affirmative action and all the rest. As far as I can tell, Obama is a fairly orthodox liberal with a gift for giving vacuous yet moving speeches.

    From a libertarian perspective, both options are terrible. Those who care more about free markets (including health care), taxation, and gun rights will choose McCain. People who are more about being anti-war will choose Obama – though I think they are slightly deluded because I see the two candidates converging in that area, and if things continue as they are, Iraq will be nearly a non-issue by November.

    The best choice issue-wise, is Bob Barr. People just need to escape from the “wasted vote” mindset.

  • Obama lost me when he voted for FISA and now endorsing the Military/Industrial/Oil plan to bomb Iran. He’s got charisma, and is another of the sell-out Demorats that include Pelosi and Reid. No, not a Nazineocon, so don’t bother flaming me.

  • Thanks, Ron!

    Sounds like most of us are Libertarians of one stripe or another. . .

  • Hahaha, you mention a link to Ron Paul’s supposed racism-by-association made by a since-fired staff member from 2 decades ago, yet conveniently neglect to mention Obama’s 20 year involvement with a racist separatist church and his comments about “typical white people”, how they are not to be trusted, etc. etc.!

    Of course I understand that a government ass-kisser like this blog-writer Ron Chusad is threatened by Ron Paul and his legions of supporters and must wave the flag for pandering puppet politician CFR-member Obomba.

    You are so transparent that you make me laugh and vomit simultaneously.

  • A left-leaning Libertarian site, Liberty Maven, recently did a “Ron Paul O’Meter” to see which Presidential candidates matched Ron Paul’s views the best. Not suprisingly, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin scored closest to Paul. But shockingly, John McCain scored 8 points closer to Ron Paul than Barack Obama. And this was from a leftist libertarian website.

    Of course, the authors of the survey had a bit of egg on their faces, and predictably, they made no comments about McCain’s higher score.

  • Libertarianism is too often misidentified with Liberalism (with a cap. L). How could any true libertarian vote for a socialist like Obama who has shown no past hesitation to use taxes, or pliable judges to influence behavior? Obama is also carrying the baggage for a hypersocialistic Democratic party. McCain is no libertarian, but he is a quantum leap closer than Obama. Barr’s not far from McCain. Balwin, as a Constitutionist, is more libertarian than many armchair pundits think. I like Ventura’s idea for a “None of the Above” on the ballot.

  • There is a group of intellectuals connected with the University of Chicago who have accepted a good deal of the Chicago school analysis but still want to think of themselves as leftists. They are, as I see it, trying to construct a new version of what “left” means

    If only voters will let it happen.

    *sigh*

    If Democrats would simply try to maintain a minimal safety net to keep taxes as low as possible, the GOP would have no foothold at all. It’s when the various interests all clamor for funding beyond that the the GOP find hooks to hang their hats on. Most frustrating. The GOP is far more responsible for government waste and yet MY party gets accused of excess spending.

  • Racism in Ron Paul’s ‘writings’? Give us a sample — of something HE wrote, not a volunteer at a newsletter he didn’t even oversee but paid someone else to manage.

    He’s the least racist man you could know.

    And you lost all credibility by that short hand libel.

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