Pakistan and presidential judgment
As you’ve probably heard by now, Pervez Musharraf, facing an impeachment crisis, is stepping down as president of Pakistan after nine years of generally-undemocratic rule. My friend Adam Serwer raises the compelling point that U.S. policy in recent years “made it seem like the United States was more committed to keeping Musharraf in power than pursuing a functioning democracy,” so today’s announcement, at a minimum, points to an opportunity, albeit one in which the U.S. will have minimal influence.
Not surprisingly, both candidates issued statements in response to the news, and pretty much took similar lines. Here’s Obama’s:
“President Musharraf has made the right decision to step down as President of Pakistan. It is in the interests of his country and the Pakistani people to end the political crisis that has immobilized the coalition government for too long. I have long said that the central terrorist threat to the United States lies in northwest Pakistan and Afghanistan, and not Iraq. US policy must focus on assuring that all elements of Pakistan’s government are resolute in shutting down the safe havens for al Qaeda and the Taliban. There can be no safehaven for terrorists who threaten the American people.
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, I advocated that the US move from a ‘Musharraf policy’ to a ‘Pakistan policy.’ I hope all of Pakistan’s friends will now seize the opportunity created by Musharraf’s exit to focus on the urgent issues of today: confronting the threat of extremist violence, dealing with food and energy shortages, and helping the Pakistani people build a stable, secure, democratic future, ” said Senator Obama.
And here’s McCain’s:
“The resignation of President Pervez Musharraf is a step toward moving Pakistan onto a more stable political footing. Pakistan is a critical theater in countering the threat of al Qaeda and violent Islamic extremism
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“There are serious problems that must be addressed. The situation in Pakistan’s frontier regions requires immediate and continued attention, and I hope that the elections for President Musharraf’s successor will serve to reconcile the Pakistani people behind a leader who can solidify their government internally. It is critical that the United States continue to work in partnership with the Pakistani people and their democratically elected government to tackle the many challenges we both face.”
And while both agreed that Musharraf’s departure is a positive development
, it’s worth noting that one of them took a circuitous route to get to this point.
Yglesias argued that McCain was “for Musharraf before he was against him,” and noted McCain, even in the aftermath of Benazir Bhutto’s assassination, took “a much more pro-Musharraf line than most other prominent U.S. politicians.”
Jason Zengerle fleshed this out in more detail.
McCain has put out an utterly banal and perfectly appropriate statement describing Musharraf’s resignation as “a step toward moving Pakistan onto a more stable political footing.” But it’s worth remembering that, until recently, McCain was as resolute — and as mistaken — in his support of Musharraf as the Bush administration.
Most notably, in December, after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto prompted numerous calls for the Bush administration to rethink its relationship with Musharraf, McCain (alone among the presidential candidates) rose to Musharraf’s defense, hailing him for having “done a pretty good job” and lauding him as “personally scrupulously honest.”
Contrast that with what Obama was saying about Musharraf then — “a president who has acted in an anti-democratic fashion” — and even before Bhutto’s assassination , and it’s pretty clear which candidate has shown better judgment when it comes to Pakistan.
One of the great secrets of the presidential campaign is that Obama’s greatest strength and McCain’s greatest weakness is the same thing: foreign policy judgment. It’s frustrating that the conventional wisdom (and public perceptions) has this almost exactly backwards.
Lance
says:“lauding [Musharraf] as “personally scrupulously honest.”
McC*nt added that because both of the elected Prime Ministers that were recently deposed were charged, by the Musharraf government, of corruption.
McC*nt believes what he is told and repeats it as if were God’s truth. Hence his desire to get us into a war in Georgia.
Twilight Jack
says:Good catch, and great analysis!
Crissa
says:I didn’t think the day would come, and I hope Pakistan is ready to take up the reins and start disentangling the military and government from the capitalist positions it has filled.
There’s alot of room for graft and ill-influence, and we often find ourselves blind to it.
beep52
says:No doubt this will be the first topic Dan Bartlett addresses in his new role with CBS.
CajunMama
says:When are we going to learn the name of the lobbyist that is working for McCain and the Pakistani government? After all, that is how he forms his foreign policy decisions….
Gaucho Politico
says:A list of things McCain has been right on would be more efficient. He has been wrong on almost everything ever and the things he was right on he shifted to the wrong position. Why do those in the media who grade him on a pass actually want him elected? Is it cognitive dissonance or simple ineptness or malice?
NonyNony
says:It will only stay that way if the Obama campaign makes the mistake of thinking that Obama’s foreign policy judgment is a weakness and play into that narrative. We’ll see if they’re going to go that way once we see who the VP choice is. If the VP choice is someone with “more foreign policy experience” than Obama, then they’ve bought the narrative and his strength will become a weakness. If the VP choice is someone who isn’t known for foreign policy (say a Sebelius), then the Obama camp will be golden.
Obama won the primary on the basis of his foreign policy judgment – other than their foreign policy stances there wasn’t a hair’s breadth of difference between Obama and Clinton. If he backs down now and plays into the narrative that he’s weak on foreign policy, he’ll have a much tougher time come November than he really should.
james k. sayre
says:Former General Wesley Clark was interviewed on the Big Ed Schultz radio show today about the resignation of the Pakistani dictator Musharraf. Amazingly, Clark said that he “thought that Musharraf had some reasons for seizing power and destroying democracy. I’m not going to pass judgment on that…” Amazing… Apparently right-wing dictators get a pass from members of the American ruling class, such as Clark, if they are “fighting terrorism.” Never mind that they are terrorizing, torturing, imprisoning and murdering their own people…
joey
says:Obama is superior on foreign policy judgment to McCain.and should just stand his ground while pointing out the numerous gaffes and ignorace of the McCain camp. McCain reversed his rhetoric 3 days after his “We are all Georgians” speech apologizing for his bellicose language, a luxury the president cannot afford to have. “I didn’t mean what I said the other day…I should have been more deliberative”…is a no-no McCain. Obama should remain his own foreign policy expert…that’s why Feingold would make an excellent VP…he’s been on board with Obama’s policies even before Obama expressed them.
McCain would rather start a war than lose an election. He’s wrong on everything and lying about it. He’s not even any good at war but uses the military to show how tough he thinks he is. He would get more troops killed than any other president because he doesn’t have the temperament for being a good soldier. He has two of the worst qualities for being a good military leader 1) He’s stupid…graduated the bottom five of his 800 man class; 2)He’s a hot-head…speaks and acts before thinking . He’s also filled with repressed rage from having been tortured. The man is a danger to the country and should never be allowed to be in command of our military.
If we had the innocence of little kids …and we were playing war and McCain kept getting captured…he’d be the last one chosen when choosing up sides. He should be our last choice for president but only if there were no one else.
Tom Cleaver
says:Anyone who thinks what will replace Musharraf will be either stable or a “democracy” is delusional.
The two main “parties” are corrupt conglomerations based on family and tribal ties, and whichever becomes the majority will be indebted to the Taliban extremists, which means even more “islamicization” of that country, and an even greater likelihood of the “Islamic bomb” getting into the hands of islamic terrorists. Musharraf may have been bad, and I am not defending him here, but it’s going to be a case of “apres moi, le deluge.”
If Obama really thinks he’s going to accomplish anything as he outlined here, then the Gang of 300 Traditional Democratic Morons who make up his shadow State Department are even more delusional than I’ve been giving them credit for. Given that even McCain has stepped back from fast-tracking NATO membership for Georgia, while that is still the official Obama position (i.e., let’s throw gasoline on the fire), this only goes to show that Obama really is weak on foreign policy outside of getting out of Iraq.
Tom Cleaver
says:Let’s just remember that the Gang of 300 Morons are the wonderful folks who brought us the Clinton foreign policy, which can only be seen as “better” than Bush because they managed to avoid a war. These are the idiots who dithered in the Balkans and then made the worst choices possible when they did get in.
You might want to read Andrew Bacevich’s “Limits To Power” and his recent posts at TomDispatch.com if you think the current Democratic foreign policy is so wonderful.
The Answer is Orange
says:What the hell does that even mean? When Pakistan (or at least Musharraf) cooperated with the US they got a jumped up little dictator and Taliban sneaking across the border. Why the hell should they cooperate with us? I also think that when a country has just gotten rid of a facist piggie, the finger wagging about cooperation can wait. A very long time.
Yeah. Pakistan’s challenges include dealing with creeps who blow up their citizens on a regular basis. In the US … not so much. But since Pakistan won’t touch another incarnation of the Bush Baby with a ten foot pole, McCane should drop out of the race for the good of the nation.
Unless he’d rather lose a war than win an election.
Prup (aka Jim Benton)
says:This is going to surprise a lot of people, but Hooray for Wesley Clark. When Musharraf took power, Pakistan had been ruled in alternation by two equally corrupt ‘kleptocrats.’ Yes, the sainted Benazir was one of them. I spent about eight months on a forum on the net which was almost entirely Pakistani — and the other non-Pakistanis were Indian, I was the only person there who was neither. (I got there because I had discovered in the 90s that Pakistani Pop and rock music was a lot more exciting than most of the American and British music of the time, and I wanted to discuss it. Ironically that wound up being one of the subjects I discussed least.) And, as well, because I was interested in the music, i was interested in the culture and politics as a whole. (I should state that while some of the participants in the forum were still living in Pakistan — I still remember during the now-forgotten earthquake that was worse than Katrina waiting desperately for friends to check in and let us know they were still alive — most of them were in America, Canada, Western Europe or the UAE, so they weren’t in danger of being censored.)
Now I cannot defend Musharraf’s actions over the past few years, when he became, as he was called, thuggish, nor do i regret his necessary departure. What i can say is that he seized power from a corrupt regime, that almost every Pakistani I knew, whether they favored or opposed him, celebrated the demise of the Bhutto-Sharif regimes, and that people felt much freer under the ‘dictatorship’ than they did under the putative democracy. (This was also echoed — in a conversation I had with them before a concert they gave in Brooklyn’s Prospect Park — by two members of the group JUNOON — who, for their political activism have been, rightly, called, the U2 of Pakistan. And one of them was not a Pakistani, but an American from Brooklyn, who had attended High School in Brooklyn with Salman Ahmed, the leader of the group.)
I will state that, while Musharraf was supported by the ISI when he took office — and at the end when he had nowhere to turn, he DID stand up to them — and to the very conservative Muslim establishment — after 9/11, and that he was both the only Pakistani politician who would have had the courage to do so — and he had several assasination attempts against him for doing so — or the stature to do so. Neither Bhutto nor Sharif could or would have, and the War in Afghanistan would have been impossible with either of them in office. (Both of them were known for ‘playing the Muslim card’ in their own campaigns and times in office.)
Prup (aka Jim Benton)
says:Interesting that I find myself on the same page with Tom Cleaver here, though without his overstatements. It is much like the overthrow of the Shah. He had to go, he had become increasingly poisonous — and unlike Musharraf, we had been responsible for putting him in power. But we assumed that what would take his place would be a modern democratic regime, and totally dismissed that old man in Paris who kept on sending out those audio cassettes. But he, not the modern elites we favored, was the hero of the Iranian people and we know what came after. (Which still doesn’t mean we were wrong in withdrawing our support and watching him fall.)
I hope we don’t get the same from the fall of Musharraf — but the Pakistanis are, religiously, ‘satellites’ of the Wahabist Saudis. What worries me even more is when the equally corrupt dictator, Mubarak, falls in Egypt, because the strongest party in opposition to him is the Muslim Brotherhood.
libra
says:Ditto to Prup, @13
One of my husband’s ex-students — an extremely bright and savvy young woman — is Pakistani and she stays in touch (like many others, which pleases me no end). That was her “take” too: Musharraf was a long way from “good”, but what he replaced had been far worse. And she’s been saying that here, in the US, where there was no reason to fear repercussions.
That’s why Lance’s “[…] both of the elected Prime Ministers that were recently deposed were charged, by the Musharraf government, of corruption.” caught my eye. It wasn’t just Musharraf’s government’s claim, Lance; it was the population’s (or, at least, the better educated segment of it) opinion also.
jhm
says:The ironic thing, (I’m looking at you Tom) is that the biggest loosers in Musharraf’s fall (besides than man himself) are the radical Islamic parties which Musharraf supported to give him votes in parliament to counter the secular parties who now (after an actual election) have the strength to overcome them. They will no longer be the recipients of American largess supposedly going to suppress religious radicals in the country.
Tom Cleaver
says:Not quite, jhm. You might want to review who is who in the Pakistani zoo, as Prup and Libra point out. The Bhutto and Sharif regimes were notorious for using the islamists (sort of the way the GOP used the RR here), but now any government that depends on the islamists’ support for the majority they’ll need to take office will have to “deliver.”
The Bhutto party was, you might remember, handed over to her son the Crown Prince who has never been in Pakistan and doesn’t speak the language, though his father (the guy who orchestrated all the corruption) will rule as “regent.” His reputation is that you cannot trust him further than you can see him with your eyes closed.
Interesting, Prup, how you got interested in Pakistan. I got interested because I have a certain international reputation in the world of serious scale modelers, and was contacted by the few folks in Pakistan who are involved in the hobby.
BTW – Prup, apropos “being on the same page,” remember that “birds of a feather do flock together,” even if one is brightly plumaged and dodges the slings and arrows while the other is carefully camouflaged and slips through the trees unseen (I being the former and you the latter :-))
Redshift
says:CajunMama said:
When are we going to learn the name of the lobbyist that is working for McCain and the Pakistani government? After all, that is how he forms his foreign policy decisions….
That would be senior advisor Charlie Black.
You just can’t parody these guys; whenever you try, they turn out to be worse in real life than whatever joke you try to make…
Prup (aka Jim Benton)
says:A minor computer problem kept me offline all night, but i wanted to mention some of the Pakistani music that got me interested. Tomorrow in the open thread, I’m sure.