The next logical step in the stem-cell debate

The conservative line on in-vitro fertilization has never made a lot of sense in the context of stem-cell research. The right says IVF is great — modern technology is helping people who want children have babies — even though it leads to unused embryos being discarded. In a nationally televised address, the president even praised in vitro fertilization, saying it’s a “process…which helps so many couples conceive children.”

As Michael Kinsley explained a few years ago, the logic here is seriously flawed.

Stem-cell research does not cause the creation or destruction of a single additional embryo. It uses embryos that are routinely discarded as part of IVF. Once a stem-cell line is created, it can be reproduced in the laboratory and requires no embryos at all. So Bush’s ban on federally funded stem-cell research involving embryos destroyed after Aug. 9 [2001] will not directly save any embryo’s life. His rationale is that allowing such research implies federal government approval of the creation and destruction of embryos, and thus may encourage it indirectly. Meanwhile, the government encourages and even subsidizes IVF directly, Bush praises it, and has done nothing to stop it.

Enter Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.). Bush may take a logically inconsistent tack, but Brownback doesn’t. He’s against stem-cell research, and, as he explained over the weekend on “This Week,” he’s not crazy about IVF either.

Brownback: In a number of countries, they limit the number of these in vitro fertilizations from outside the womb. They say you can do this, but you have to do these one or two at a time, and so that they’re implanted in that basis, and that might be the better way to look at this.

Stephanopoulos: So you’re calling for that here?

Brownback: Well, what I’m saying here is that that’s a way you can look at that instead of going on this massive scale, what we’ve done here. And you can also see, George, I mean that these are human lives. President Bush holds in his hands a child that was a frozen embryo. This isn’t medical waste or something you discard. This is human life and it’s sacred per se, just as your life is.

This is, to Brownback’s credit, logically consistent. It’s also a completely untenable policy.

Couples have come to rely on IVF for years. Indeed, to borrow a page from Bush’s playbook, it’s easy to imagine a gathering of “snowflake”-like babies and their families, all of whom were born by way of in-vitro fertilization.

But Brownback apparently wants to turn back the clock, even if it denies some families from having children through the medical breakthrough. While Bush is resigned to discarding unused embryos instead of using them for life-saving research, Brownback is against both.

We may have fewer families having children, but for Brownback, it’s more important to limit the number of embryos created. They have may have fewer physical human qualities than a mosquito, but Brownback believes they are people, with all the rights to which people are entitled.

I can appreciate the logic of Brownback’s position. I can even comprehend Brownback’s desire to put the proverbial genie back in the bottle by pretending the modern scientific breakthroughs don’t exist. But therein lies the problem — in order for the conservative line to make sense in this debate, the right has to stand in the way of potentially life-saving research and reject a common practice that helps couples have children.

Let’s take these to the nation in an informed discussion and see which side of the debate is considered the “pro-family” position.

limit birth control access, no pill, condom, etc. only the rhythym method and abstinence. then there will be more white babies for adoption. with more white babies available then there will be no need in-vitro-fertilization, which will eliminate the question of discarded embroyos. women will be back pregnant and in the kitchen instead of in the board room. why not start baby farms???? let’s gather all these right winger females who would be willing to produce babies say one a year, in different colors, sexes. they could be farmed like cows. then we women on the left can get on with our lives!!!! mary

  • OVER HALF of all human conceptions (“naturally” *implanted* embryos) result in “spontaneous abortion” (explusion of the fetus without human intervention), most during the first menses, without the mother even being aware of it.

    That seems to be God’s (or Mother Nature’s or Fate’s) plan. I’m curious what Brownback and the other sanctimonious pharisees think of that. Oh, I forgot, I’m talking “reality-based” here. Observation ‘n’ logic ‘n’ stuff. Sorry.

  • Another round in the battle of dogma versus reason and common sense. It needs to be pointed out to the far right that while they claim virtue on the rights of the unborn, they immediately don’t give a damn as soon as a human being enters into this world. Once a human is born, the right wing slaps a liberal, terrorist or with us or against us tag on humanity and then it’s perfectly fine to kill, torture or stand by while genocide is being committed. To the right, the culture of life does not extend to 99.99% of the people on this planet

  • I enjoy posts along this line, because they show the complete lack of reliance on science AND LOGIC the Bush Administration relies on. The babies Bush was holding make a good argument for IVF, but not against stem cell research. These embryos are discarded regardless, so why not study them for medical research? The only explanation seems to be that these folks are not at all reasonable, but are simply anti-science. Unless of course the science comports with the biblical maxim to “be fruitful and multiply” (For: IVF, Viagra subsidization under health insurance. Against: Birth control subsidization under health insurance, condoms, stem cell research, reasonable scientific sex education, and the list goes on).

  • it don’t much matter. the south koreans have already started cloning stemcells. we remain pure and give our technology to the godless . . .

  • Brownback: This is human life and it’s sacred per se, just as your life is.

    Who cares if Brownback is being ideologically consistent? What’s praiseworthy about being a consistent moron? In many many ways Bush is a consistent moron too, and I don’t find him praiseworthy in the least!

    If you tire, as I do, of the “sanctity of life” line, by all means hie thee over to the server where I’ve posted a short George Carlin mp3 on the subject (apologies to George, but his social commentary really just cries out to be heard sometimes). I’m going to email a copy to Senator Brownback so he can get an alternate take on the sanctity of life, something that Carlin describes as “…one of these things we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel noble.”

  • Last I heard, we have over 400,000 unused embryos (well, actually blastocysts) in storage. If we’re being consistent, then throwing away a leftover embryo from an IVF proceedure is just as murderous an act as any abortion. We need to organize a grass-roots campaign to get all good Christian women of child-bearing age to volunteer to become host mothers for these unadopted blastocyst-children.

  • My wife and I recently went through an unsuccessful cycle of IVF, and although we only had two usable embryos, the doctors would have preferred to implant three or four for the very reason Ed Stephan points out. We lost one of them quickly, and lost the other one after eight weeks due to her then-undiagnosed diabetes. We will try again once her diabetes is stable.

    Brownback’s suggestion that each implantation should be restricted to 1 or 2 embryos is simply not helpful and would in fact make the whole proess incredibly more expensive & emotionally draining than it already is. Fiscally, we’re lucky — we live in MA, where the law requires insurance firms to cover IVF with some restrictions, so our co-pay is “just” 20% (still high). In many states, as I understand it, that’s not true, and prospective parents have to foot the whole bill ($5000+ per attempt). Is he willing to insure couples like us for multiple attempts? I doubt it, but that’s what’s necessary b/c more than one attempt is ALREADY usually necessary before a woman will carry to term, and most don’t even become pregnant their first try (although we did).

    beowulf888 — I appreciate your sarcasm. Personally, I’d be willing to donate embryos to carefully selected potential parents IF we ever have extras after getting a live child, but I’d want to meet them & be sure they’d take good care of our child. Chances are, any extras will go toward research (we’ve already agreed to that), which I hope includes stem-cell work; I’d rather have embryos go to science than to increase the population of bible-thumpers.

  • Brownback’s only agenda is to make certain that we all have to live according to what his Church thinks is right. Don’t think that he supports Bush’s publicly stated position. Heck, don’t forget that Bush actually doesn’t support his publicly stated position. Even though it died the Bush administration was a major supporter of a proposed U.N. treaty that would have completely banned all embryonic stem cell research. Brownback has repeatedly introduced legislation in the Senate to do the same.

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