What to do about that pesky 22nd Amendment

You may have heard that a bi-partisan group of lawmakers has unveiled legislation to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution, which, in turn, would allow presidents to run as many times as they wish for re-election. The truth is, the bill isn’t going anywhere, but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be fun to talk about it a bit.

Why was the 22nd Amendment passed in the first place? For most of American history, the system had an unwritten rule. George Washington created what was called the “Two Term Tradition,” and it stuck until FDR ran for a third term in 1940 and a fourth four years later. Though FDR’s decision to seek a third term was controversial at the time, he justified breaking the tradition by noting that Hitler was tearing Europe apart and a change in American leadership could cause more international instability. In 1944, the U.S. was still in the midst of WWII, and again, FDR thought it imprudent to change course.

Republicans took control of Congress during Harry Truman’s presidency, but were still angry about FDR getting elected four times. Rep. Earl Michener (R-Mich.) championed a constitutional amendment to limit a president to two full terms. It was ratified in 1951.

Ever since, there have been grumblings about undoing it. Right now, there are actually two bills pending in the House to do just that. H.J.Res.9, sponsored by Rep. Jose Serrano (D-N.Y.), was introduced in January but hasn’t generated much interest. A nearly identical bill, H.J.Res.24, was unveiled in February by House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer (Md.), and picked up four co-sponsors, Reps. Howard Berman (D-Calif.), Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), Martin Sabo (D-Minn.) and Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.). Sensenbrenner doesn’t agree with the other four on almost anything, so it’s interesting to see them get together on this.

Some have, understandably, raised concerns about making George W. Bush eligible for a third term. Don’t worry; it’s not going to happen. Indeed, Bush isn’t really part of this equation at all. Under H.J.Res.24, Bush wouldn’t be eligible to run for a third term anyway; the repeal of the 22nd Amendment would only apply to future presidents.

And once we put aside the Bush-is-president-for-life concerns, we can get to the heart of the matter: is this a good idea or not?

Putting aside the fact that these bills aren’t going anywhere, and amending the Constitution should be reserved for extreme circumstances, I continue to believe this idea has merit. On principle alone, I believe voters should have the ability to keep presidents in office who’ve earned their support. An arbitrary limit on presidential terms denies voters an opportunity.

For me, all term limits are an undemocratic mistake. We can re-elect members of Congress to our hearts’ content, we can even re-elect the same person to be vice president indefinitely, yet the public is denied the chance to elect someone to the presidency more than twice. I don’t see any reason to deny voters’ rights in this area.

In addition to the principles of democracy, there are also institutional reasons to let presidents seek more than two terms. As is frequently the case, even now, presidents lose power once they become lame ducks. In other words, when Congress and the rest of the country know that a president can’t seek re-election after a second term, he or she becomes less effective. As historian Haynes Johnson put it, “The clock is running very quickly in a president’s second term because the amendment that limits him to succeed himself erodes power very rapidly.”

Moreover, there’s no need for this to be in any way partisan. In 1986, for example, then-Rep. Guy Vander Jagt (R-Mich.), then chairman of the Republican House campaign committee, introduced legislation to repeal the 22nd so as to allow Ronald Reagan to run for a third term. Vander Jagt’s resolution was endorsed by then-Rep. Tony Coelho (D-Calif.), who served as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

“[I]t is simply undemocratic to prevent the people from deciding how long their presidents can serve,” Coelho said. “If a president wants to run for a third, fourth or fifth term, by all means let the people decide. Why single out the chief executive for mandatory lame-duck status when members of Congress are able to run again and again?”

Reagan himself seemed to warm up to the idea in 1987, telling an interviewer that he’d support an effort to repeal the 22nd Amendment for his successors so Americans would be free to “vote for someone as often as they want to do.” Though the Iran-Contra scandal had already damaged Reagan’s reputation, and Alzheimer’s symptoms were slowly becoming apparent, a group called Project ’88 formed to try and change the law to allow for Reagan’s second re-election effort.

Reagan wasn’t the only one to warm up to the idea.

“There may come a time when we elect a president at age 45 or 50, and then 20 years later the country comes up against the same kind of problems the president faced before,” he said. “People would like to bring that man or woman back but they would have no way to do so…. I think since people are living much longer…the 22nd Amendment should probably be modified to say two consecutive terms instead of two terms for a lifetime.”

The speaker, of course, was Bill Clinton.

I hope it gets changed by 08 so we can see a Clinton vs. Clinton primary. What a ball-buster that would be!

  • I’m with you. On all term limits. We have a method of limiting terms. It’s called the next election. With a modicum of election reform (independent commissions drawing congressional boundaries, for starters; maybe even something like a campaign limited in funding and time) that device would prove even more useful. There is no need for any imposed term limit on anyone.

    Till then, I’ll fall back once again on Mencken: Democracy is the theory that common man knows what he wants and he deserves to get it, good and hard.

  • What I find interesting is what is missing in this discussion. FDR was the only president to serve more than 2 terms before this amendment and if it was repealed what are the chances of it happening again? (of course that could be an argument for repealing it) Condiering the 2nd terms of the 2 term presidents – I don’t know if I would run for a 3rd if I was president.

  • I confess I’m of two minds on this. I would love to give Bill Clinton another chance at the White House if he wants it ( which I genuinely doubt given his health problems ) but at the same time the political landscape has changed so much since Bill’s day that the risks just might not be worth it. The right wing controls much more of the media and the messages than it did back then, and have proven themselves to be accomplished liars without integrity, conscience or compassion. Given unlimited opportunities to keep George or his successor in office there is no depth to which they would not stoop, no lie too great nor smear too vile.

    Right now the only hope we have is the law that says nobody gets more than two terms, period. It undoubtedly keeps good people from serving longer, but it also protects us from the destroyers who would otherwise have free rein for a long, long time.

    So I reluctantly oppose this idea, which is thankfully going nowhere anyway. If we had a reasonably honest political framework in place it would be worth trying, but the fact is we don’t and therefore it’s just too dangerous at this particular point in history.

  • I thought this was a dumb idea, until I recognised that it included the possiblity of Bill Clinton running again… that would be a damned good thing.

    I’m also up for going the other direction: leave the 22nd Amendment alone, and add similar 2-term limits for congresscritters too! I mean, it’s ridiculous that someone can serve in one office for a lifetime career, gerrymandered into place.

    Ben Franklin wanted the Congress to have a 1-year term, with no re-election possible. I look at Tom DeLay, “Duke” Cunningham, and that ilk, and I think Franklin may have been right.

  • Thanks for addressing this! Your lame duck argument is an interesting one, grateful though I am at the moment for its effect.

  • Ed,
    I’m with you but would stress the qualifiers: true election reform (no more “trust Diebold” situations) to guarantee the votes are accurately counted, including ways to avoid the sort of jacking around that was done in Ohio last time, by not putting enough machines in high Dem areas. The easiest solution to this would be mail-in voting like Oregon has, a money saving and problem solving measure so obvious (and proven) that I frankly can’t understand why it’s not being adopted nationally. Add to that campaign finance reform with a bite, federal funding of elections. Remember when Bush was barely on the political map (circa 1998, as I recall) and the MSM was already touting him as being the front runner simply because of all the money he could raise. Never mind that he had virtually no credible qualifications and plenty of disqualifiers, the money was all that mattered. And the gerrymandering that you alluded to has to be solved as well. I’m not all that up for doing it via “independent commissions,” though, which could lead to a mutual backscratching affair to create safe districts for both parties (in the worst case, which has to be considered). I much prefer a system like I’ve suggested in previous discussions on this topic, simply geographical strips of a given width that terminate wherever the population dictates. No room for gerrymandering at all. I believe the positives of such a system far outweigh the negatives (mixed urban/rural districts, geographical barriers—not an issue, especially with mail-in voting—etc). Make substantive electoral changes like that and yeah, I’d be all for removing term limits on presidents. Oh, let’s not forget the now-defunct Fairness Doctrine (though today that would amount to a rightwing nutjob debating with a “moderate” Republican, as Jon Stewart recently pointed out). And a breakup of media monopolization. But with the legalized bribery systems we have in place now, the media being controlled by a few major corporations, gerrymandering to ridiculous limits—hey, the system is so broken that if we took off the limits we might as well crown Dubya for life. Term limits may be the only thing preventing the USA from becoming a kingdom, a democracy in name only (arguably we’re already there).

  • I have to agree with President Lindsay and others who call for reforms to the entire electoral process before repealling the 22nd ammendment. We have to get big money out of the game before we allow for the next homo sapien sapien version of Coca Cola dominates our political market.

  • Ideally the ballot box should be the only term limt mechanism, but P. Linsay gives it the splash of cold water we need to get the proper reality check. And as far as goatchowder’s comment:”I thought this was a dumb idea, until I recognised that it included the possiblity of Bill Clinton running again… that would be a damned good thing.” I couldn’t agree more. Especially if Hillary runs. I pray at night that Hillary runs in 08. That would be my Republican wet dream.

  • Sorry, but the Presidency is a qualitatively different office than that of a legislator. It is much too easy to make it one party rule when the person at the top can stay for life. The very fact that the most powerful man on Earth can stay no longer than 10 years (usually no more than 8 years), even when the second term tends to be ineffectual, tends to limit the coalescing of ultimate power in one person or even one party. An ineffectual President is decidedly a better outcome for our liberties and for our democratic republic than would a perpetual President.

    I certainly agree that term limits at the federal, state, and local LEGISLATIVE level is a silly, anti-democratic idea. By their very nature, legislators can create legislation en masse, but individually have very limited abilities and power to become one-man wrecking crews. I would cheerfully vote to abolish term limits for any office below that of the POTUS.

    Such is clearly not the case with the President, however, the wielder of the “bully pulpit” with authority to go to war (at least in so-called “police actions” as well as to get the Congress to delegate such power through the use of lies and deception); create hundreds of executive orders and changes in federal regulations that can vastly regulate and affect how we live our lives, and the quality of those lives; politicize all of the career personnel inside the executive branch of government that seriously undermines our saftey and our protection; and with more than 8 years in office a President would be able to appoint at least two-thirds of the federal (including Supreme Court) judges that will far outlast any term in office he might have.

    No, the 22nd Amendment is one thing that SHOULD have been included in the original Constitution as crafted by our founding fathers. Because of the uniqueness of the office, and the serious potential to create a President for life, I think it unwise — with George W as the demonic image of just how far our country has slid down the slippery slope towards a monarchical or even a fascist form of government — to toss out the 22nd Amendment precisely when we need it the most.

  • You all are arguing against term limits as BushCo proves that ANYONE can be re-elected elected no matter what they do as long as the campaign ads and sound bytes are correct?

    Eight years is plenty of time to get a lot done. The fact is, Presidents aren’t supposed to be as powerful as FDR (and now Bush) have shown they can be. Presidents are the executors of the Legislature’s laws. They aren’t supposed to be able to declare war, sign treaties, or even set policy in opposition to the legislative body’s will. Is Bush a lame duck? Sure, as long as he keeps trying to move the country in ways people don’t like. Thank God for that term limit.

    How’d we get into Iraq? It was the power of the bully pulpit, including no small amount of deception. With the power to spin so much and call press conferences at-will, the question is not IF a sitting president can be re-elected, but how long it would take us to slip into a non-democratic form of government when they want to stay for life. Who would protect us? The Supreme Court? They did a great job in 2000. . .

  • Eadie,

    Good post, and my comment (just above yours) likewise argued FOR term limits ONLY for the President, for many of the same reasons you noted.

  • As to local election matters–it’s probably harder to get to be mayor of a big town that to be elected to Congress precisely because they are local and the politics runs deep and dirty. I’m not talking money, I’m talking getting support and recognition and the actual election.

    Term limits are just the acknowledgement that power corrupts and that those in office can make replacing themselves very difficult. Sure, we might elect someone for 30 years, but does that really mean they were best for the job, or even would have won those later elections without the benefits of being in office and exploiting the bully pulpit. Term limits are democratic in the sense that they halt the un-democratic results of life-terms, which can often result in increasing corruption.

  • If you can’t get the job done in 8 years – Why are you still there??

    Just look at P.M. Blair in the UK for what a long term Pres. could be like. Useless.

  • In fact, the only good idea about changing the term of President is to change the Constitutionto allow for a single 6 year term. In one simple change we get rid of all the business of Presidents playing telephone kiss-ass for political contributions and all that business of lame duckyness.

    But, that’d require a Constitutional Convention. And such an august convocation of worthies would probably abolish the Bill of Rights.

  • This is a terrible idea. It would be the true start of the end of democracy in the United States. Two terms is enough for any President. We would be setting out nation up for authoritarian rule. George W for two terms is enough. Yes, I believe Bill Clinton could have won a third term, a fourth term, a fifth term. But, you know what, he would have never had the chance, because Ronald Reagan would have won a third term, and a fourth term… Can you imagine what would happen to the Nation if a Bush or a Reagan had three or more terms! It is not worth the risk. Two terms at least gives the people a chance to keep democracy going.

  • But since the elections are now rigged and the media and legislature blatantly skewed the corruption will continue under Bush or any of the puppets that is chosen by the Republican mafia (PNAC). Changing players doesn’t really mean anything when the same guys are behind the curtain making sure they get the results they want . . . which is, more money in their pockets and the end of democracy in this empire.

  • Term limits are fundamentally undemocratic. It’s someone coming along and telling me that they know better than I do what the best candidates are.
    I say, stay out of my ballot box. Let me decide.

  • Saul Menem is a name that may be you are not familiar with, he was president of Argentina in the 90’s and a good friend of the Bush family, he almost wrote the script about corruption in politics, stuffing the Supreme Court with cronies and changing the Constitution in order to run for a third term with full support from Washington. But he was defeated on the third election and had to run out of the country to avoid ending up in jail for selling arms to Iran and stopping the investigation the major terrorist attack in Buenos Aires. Seems that there was an Iranian connection and that he got paid 10 mils to keep the investigation under control. May be this character gave GW some advice on corrupt politics.

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