Rove, in the hot seat

The political world’s been waiting with baited breath today, wondering if Plame indictments will be issued. It looks like it won’t be today, because investigators still have a few questions for Karl Rove.

Federal prosecutors have accepted an offer from presidential adviser Karl Rove to give 11th hour testimony in the case of a CIA officer’s leaked identity but have warned they cannot guarantee he won’t be indicted, according to people directly familiar with the investigation.

The persons, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy, said Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has not made any decision yet on whether to file criminal charges against the longtime confidant of President Bush or others.

The U.S. attorney’s manual requires prosecutors not to bring witnesses before a grand jury if there is a possibility of future criminal charges unless they are notified in advance that their grand jury testimony can be used against them in a later indictment.

Rove has already made at least three grand jury appearances and his return at this late stage in the investigation is unusual.

The prosecutor did not give Rove similar warnings before his earlier grand jury appearances.

Rove, it seems, is about this close to an indictment. Will Rove save himself with 11th hour testimony? Stay tuned.

Update: Salon’s Tim Grieve helps with some context to consider alongside this news.

So Karl Rove is returning to testify before the grand jury investigating the outing of Valerie Plame, and he’s doing so without any guarantee that Patrick Fitzgerald won’t prosecute him. How big of a development is this? “Stunning,” a former federal prosecutor tells us. “There is no reason for Rove to make this appearance unless he and his counsel believe he is at serious risk of indictment. None.”

It’s always risky to go before a grand jury. You can’t take your lawyer into the room with you, and you don’t know what the grand jury knows or doesn’t know. It’s especially risky if you’ve already testified once — or, in the case of Rove, three times — before: The odds of introducing inconsistencies into your testimony increase each time you give it. That’s why, the former prosecutor tells us, a defense lawyer would advise his client to make a return appearance before the grand jury only in extreme circumstances.

New York University law professor Stephen Gillers offers a similar assessment to the Associated Press. He calls Rove’s return trip to the grand jury room an “ominous sign” that suggests Fitzgerald “has learned new information that is tightening the noose” around Rove’s neck. “It shows Fitzgerald now, perhaps after [Judith] Miller’s testimony, suspects Rove may be in some way implicated in the revelation of Plame’s identity or that Fitzgerald is investigating various people for obstruction of justice, false statements or perjury. That is the menu of risk for Rove.”

Pass the popcorn.

Now we know what the “major” speech on Iraq was supposed to distract us from.

  • Speaking of distractions, if Rove is ultimately indicted the administration will need for a long running circus to keep the media occupied. What form could that circus take? How about contentious confirmation hearing for Ms. Miers?

    Too Cynical? Not in light of the the Roy Moore post below.

  • I don’t think Miers is meant to distract us. I think we are doing a great job of cornering those fuckwits. Keep multiple fires, multiple scandal prosecutions, multiple confirmation hearings, multiple investigatinos (Katrina failures? Iraq war lies?), all going at once. Aim at their feet and keep ’em dancing.

  • According to Rove’s lawyer:

    “I can say categorically that Karl has not received a target letter from the special counsel. The special counsel has confirmed that he has not made any charging decisions in respect to Karl,” Luskin said.”

    So, I don’t know what to make of it. But it certainly
    isn’t a slam dunk for an indictment. Rumors were
    circling that Rove had received a target letter. A
    lot of champagne corks gotta be hammered back
    into the bottles based on some comments
    I’ve read.

    I learned thirty years ago about premature
    celebrations. I’ve never forgotten that
    brutal lesson.

  • “How about a distraction like attacking Iran?”

    Tony “Lap-dog” Blair announced that the deaths fo Brittish soldiers in Iraq were linked to Iran or Hezbolah (sp?). Maybe they will have the UK attack Iran. We’ll have to increase troop strength to support them yadda yadda yadda… This will clear out the middle of the Islamist state stretching from Morocco to Indonesia (wasn’t it?) that W mentioned today?

    You think he’d nuke em? Roll them bones and either pull everyone to his side or face impeachment?

    Pass the tin foil!

  • Rove has offered to testify at the 11th hour to sping Judith Miller’s testimony. I’m sure her WH contact (eg Libby) and his friends were on the phone to her after her testimony for a full debriefing of what was stated.
    This is just Rove trying to provide damage control and distortion… Watch… If Rove doesn’t get indicted, it means he was able to spin a story that will get Novak (or some other media fallguy) and Novak alone indicted.

  • Rove, like every schoolyard bully, is a coward when someone gets the goods on him. This is his last attempt to control the narrative.

  • Right on Nick,

    I saw that too…..baby carriages…..with expolsives….right……

    Nothing to do with Rove back at the Grand Jury…..

  • It’s diversion time for Rove and Bush — their usual MO in times of political crisis. There’s already a terrorism alert of New York’s subways, based on a “specific” threat from a “foreign” source. The mayor says it’s bombs.

    I don’t mean to minimize terrorist threats, but c’mon! We’ve had more than three years worth of elevated security alerts (usually coinciding with Republican campaign needs), with frantic warnings to go shopping.

    Add to the New York alert the president’s attempt to frighten the nation with the forces of evil in Iraq — actually a group of malicious fanatics, but not quite Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan to which Bush compares them.

    Call me a tinfoil hat-wearer, but I have a theory that Bird Flu is the next big diversion. I know, it sounds crazy. But give it a moment’s thought. Since Nixon, at least, Republicans have always required an enemy, any enemy. The end of the Cold War was a disaster for them. Saddam (not to mention liberals) soon became the Prince of Darkness. Then al queda popped up, a legitimate enemy. But unable to to deal with real terrorists, Saddam remained the primary threat, acoording to Bush.

    But Americans are no longer afraid of a captured Saddam (if they were ever afraid of him). While Iraq-generated terrorists may be a threat to this country, Iraq political fallout is a threat to the Bushies. Enter Avian Flu.

    Bird Flu has much to recommend it as an enemy. It’s a real threat, posing serious consequences. It’s international — meaning it is a threat from FOREIGN nations. It’s a great excuse for draconian measures (right up front), with the U. S. Army to back them up. There is money to be made. Whole regions could be quarantined (blue states, for example) “just in case.” It could be a result of bio-terrorism, which gives it even more credibility as an enemy. And it offers the cachet of Major Disaster, allowing the Bushies to atone for (make people to forget) the Katrina disaster.

    Okay, so Bird Flu as a Republican plot is way over the top. But, frankly, so was the invasion of Iraq. The total lack of outrage over its dishonest rationale and execution is evidence that insane political actions can succeed — at least as diversions.

    The political welfare of the Bush administration is THAT important. And the media won’t make a peep.

    (Sorry about that last line.)

  • Hey Alibubba…

    I was thinking bird flu earlier today, too…and, remember, this is the excuse Bush floated for giving himself martial law…

    I’ll up the Hollywood paranoia factor…imagine that we have Iraq’s Dr. Germ (she’s now in our custody), or whatever she was called, working in a lab somewhere that we financed with some of the missing Iraqi billions, making an even more lethal variant of the virus…

    When the Plamegate indictments are announced curious viral outbreaks of an unknown origin are first observed…

    ….NAH!!!…no one could be that evil, could they???…lol.

  • I’m feeling pretty anxious about this one. I’m afraid he’ll get off. I don’t think he will, but I’m not sure which way it will go. It’s like being promised either a date with a smart, funny, beautiful woman or a kick in the balls with a steel toed boot, and you don’t know which one you’re going to get until the fateful moment.

  • I can’t decided if I think he will get off or not – though goodness knows I hope he doesn’t. I do think that if he doesn’t off not only will it not necessarily hurt his career but nothing will change in the GOP. How sad is that.

  • Larry O’Donnell has a very interesting analysis over at Huffington, which is consistent with Gridlocks post.. He believes that Rove will be indicted. Tomorrow’s appearence before the grand jury is a last ditch effort by Rove and his lawyer to head off that indictiment. Here’s the link,
    http://tinyurl.com/bukb6
    (This is redirect generated by a Firefox extention. The purpose of which is to replace a long URL with a short one.)

  • (For ricardo:)

    My crackpot theory regarding Bird Flu as a diversion doesn’t really require an actual U. S. outbreak of the stuff. The Bushies have already demonstrated that they can take the nation to war against a figment of their imaginations.

    Regarding martial law, twice in a week Bush has suggested using regular troops for national emergencies. Avian Flu sounds like another good excuse. Somehow I just can’t imagine W getting agitated over a disease — or, well, you know, much of anything — unless it threatens his own crackpot theories.

    Dr. Germ is certainly relevant. I’ll bet she developed Bird Flu from a source in Niger — then sold it to liberals who gave it to Iran and Syria, who then infected Karl Rove who suddenly lost his mind and outed a CIA agent. I hope Rove explains that to the grand jury.

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  • LOL Alibubba…

    On further reflection, I think if and when Plamegate indictments are handed down Bush will just issue blanket pardons to everyone…with the excuse that because it’s “wartime” we can’t afford the distraction of a “media circus,” he’ll blame Joe Wilson for everything anyway, and because Rove was never technically convicted of a crime he’ll keep him on staff after all…

    And that will be that…end of Fitzgerald’s prosecution, the Republicans will decline to impeach Bush – much less investigate the situation – and Bush will attempt to ride it out until the ’06 elections, seeking to exploit whatever fear-inducing diversion comes his way.

    Bush’s approval ratings will be somewhere in the low ’30’s but overall he retains the support of the Republican-controlled Congress. The real test, of course, will be the ’06 elections – if either house of Congress goes Democratic, Bush’s situation may become untenable.

    Brazen??? Unimaginable??? But, then again, this is Bush’s specialty – the brazen and the unimaginable…

  • Might have qualified the above a little…how about:

    On further reflection, I WONDER if and when…

  • Seriously — I agree that the Bush/White House response to any indictments resulting from the Plamegate investigation will be a campaign of diversion and acusations of “playing politics,” plus attempts to confuse the issue. I also expect the strategy to work.

    Unfortunately for Bush, Plamegate — even if there are no indictments — will simply add to the growing impression of corruption and incompetence by the administration.

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