What Karl told George

To follow up on the last item on Plame-related program activities, perhaps the most interesting revelation of the weekend was Murray Waas’ investigative report explaining that the president did ask Rove if he engaged in an effort to disclose Plame’s identity. Apparently, despite fairly obvious evidence that he did, Rove denied it.

Senior aide Karl Rove denied to President Bush that he engaged in an effort to disclose the identity of a covert CIA operative to discredit her husband’s criticism of Iraq policy, say people familiar with Rove’s statements in a criminal investigation.

Rove’s brief discussion with Bush has been a mystery for two years because the White House publicly referred to it but refuses to say anything about it.

Beginning two years ago, the White House flatly denied that Rove had been involved in unlawfully leaking the identity of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, the wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

The White House denials collapsed in July amid the disclosure of Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper’s conversations in July 2003 about Wilson’s wife with Rove and I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff.

Bush asked Rove in the fall of 2003 to assure him he was not involved in an effort to divulge Plame’s identity and punish Wilson, and the longtime confidant assured the president so, people familiar with Rove’s account say.

So, two years ago, when Scott McClellan said the president personally knows that Rove wasn’t involved with the leak, this is probably what he was referring to.

This revelation is interesting on any number of levels. First, on the surface, it would appear that the president’s right hand man, the “architect” of Bush’s entire political operation, lied to the president to his face about a likely crime. What’s more, Bush doesn’t seem to care.

How do I know? Rove told Bush two years ago that he wasn’t involved in the leak. Unless the president has literally no idea what’s going on in the world, Bush learned (like the rest of us) in July that Rove was Matt Cooper’s source, which obviously meant Rove was involved. Did Bush fire his old friend? Demote him? Exclude him from his inner circle? None of the above. The president apparently puts the same emphasis on honesty that he does on competency.

Second, there’s the small matter of whether the denial itself was a crime.

As a constitutional matter, the president of the United States is ultimately responsible for executing federal law. In this sense, Rove didn’t just lie to his boss, he misled the government’s top law enforcement official about an alleged crime that was (and is) under investigation. This, in and of itself, is legally problematic.

“The president is the top law enforcement official of the executive branch,” said Rory Little, a professor of law at the University of California and a former federal prosecutor and associate attorney general in the Clinton administration. “It is a crime to make a false statement to a federal agent. If the president was asking in that capacity, and the statement was purposely false, then you might have a violation of law.”

But Little pointed out another possibility. If Bush had asked Rove about Plame in an informal manner-speaking to his adviser as a longtime friend rather than in his official capacity as president-the obstacles to bringing a criminal case under false-statement statutes would be higher, making such a case unlikely.

But Randall Eliason, a former chief of the public corruption section for the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia and currently an adjunct law professor at American University, said that if Rove purposely misled the president, the FBI, or the White House press secretary, a reasonable prosecutor might construe such acts as “overt acts in furtherance of a criminal plan.”

Added Gillers: “Misleading the president, other officials of the executive branch, or even the FBI might not, in and of themselves, constitute criminal acts. But a prosecutor investigating other crimes-such as obstruction of justice or perjury-might use evidence of any such deception to establish criminal intent. And a lack of candor might also negate a claim of good faith or inadvertent error in providing misleading information to prosecutors.”

Third, doesn’t this revelation suggest that Bush has himself been lying to the public about his interest in the scandal? The president has claimed, over and over again, that he’s under strict orders not to talk to his staff about the investigation. The truth, it now appears, is that he already has.

Isn’t this all just a lot of misinformation from Karl to protect the president? To give W the ability to say he was out of the loop if this thing ever gets seriously bad?

  • i think bush will say that rove lied to him as his spiritual advisor, thus privileging their communication.

  • Isn’t it more likely that Rove did tell Bush and that Bush knew all about the plan to out Valerie Plame? We have reached the stage that the long time trusted aides say that they didn’t tell the President anything to save him from an indictable offense. See Erlichman and Haldeman and Poindexter.

  • I don’t know if this is covered by one of the potential charges you mentioned, like obstruction of justice. But, what is the criminal charge when Rove lies to Bush and McClellan, knowing there is a criminal investigation involving White House officials, and knowing that Bush & McClellan would repeat his lies to the federal investigators? During the Clinton/blue dress scandal, the right wingers raised this scenario as reason for impeaching Clinton. That is, that Clinton professed his innocence to White House officials , knowing that they would repeat those lies to federal investigators.

  • I think we are making this more complicated than it has to be: Bush sees the writing on the wall, ie, that Rove will be indicted. The only possible position Bush can take in light of this, is that Rove lied to him. Bush can’t admit he knew. Thus, they are laying the groundwork for this, knowing it all will hit the fan shortly.

  • The Bush Crime Family has no loyalty to anyone, including Rove. While he’s useful, he’s protected. Once that’s over, he’s toast. Poppy and Babs had no use for the Shrub even, until he managed to get elected Gov. They really are rotten to the core. They make the Corleone’s look civilized.

  • Like miffed lovers the “mainstream” Press are starting to ask the questions that they were intimidated into not asking until now, when the stench is compelling. Karl’s gonna fry. Scooter will be obliged to get on his bike. The neocon castle will collapse,top heavy with hubris. The War President will do the lame duck waddle, then weasel away like Nixon, back to the mediocrity from whence he spawned. The rudderless GOP will be whipped like egg sucking dogs in election 06. Soothsayin’ aint rocket science with this mob of vainglorious warmongers. Let the prosecutions begin. I miss you Hunter.

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