A little bird told me we’re toast

Guest Post by Morbo

U.S. public health officials are so concerned about the possibility of an outbreak of Asian “bird flu” in this country that a few of them took the unusual step of leaking the Bush administration’s draft plan for dealing with such a catastrophe. Guess what? We aren’t ready.

The 381-page draft plan, leaked by health officials who claim that it contains fundamental failures, predicts that a full-scale outbreak could kill as many as 1.9 million Americans and put 8.5 million in hospital at a cost of more than $450 billion.

Hospitals would quickly become overwhelmed, riots would break out at vaccine clinics, civil unrest would sweep the country, and power and food would be in short supply, according to the plan, which has been years in the making. It calls for quarantine and travel restrictions but concedes that those measures “are unlikely to delay introduction of pandemic disease into the US by more than a month or two.”

The report was leaked to The New York Times. It makes sobering reading. It calls for manufacturing 600 million vaccine doses within six months, ten times the country’s current capacity. As I write these words, the Bush Administration has purchases 4.3 million doses of vaccine. There are 280 million people in the United States. What are the odds you’ll get one? (And no, Ebay won’t have any.)

The report scores the administration for failing to place a central figure in charge of coordinating a national response to a bird flu outbreak, a type of “bird flu czar.” One official told The New York Times: “We don’t want to have a FEMA-like response, where it’s not clear who’s running what.”

That’s right, we don’t. And we don’t have to. We have the talent, energy and brain power to avoid that right now, and they’re all sitting at the Centers for Disease Control. Someone there is more than qualified to take on the “bird flu czar” role. Let’s find him or her now. And please, let’s get someone really qualified — not just some toady who happened to go to Yale with Bush or who sucked up to him by sending fawning birthday cards.

I have a feeling that won’t happen, mainly because of this administration’s overall cluelessness, appalling cronyism and strong anti-science bent.

To be fair, I should note that an-science bias runs through the entire culture. Science and scientists get derided a lot in our popular culture. Those eggheads in their goofy white lab coats and geeky glasses! They have poor social skills and can’t get dates. They’re always working on a death ray or something.

That’s the stereotype, and it’s funny sometimes. (I like Prof. Frink on “The Simpsons” as much as the next guy.) But when the chips are down, most American know that science consistently delivers the goods. The staff at the Center for Disease Control is working 24/7 to save us from the nightmarish scenario outlined in the leaked report. Their dedication is praiseworthy, but the hard fact is they are executing policy, not making it. If the administration is hapless, our response will be as well.

Unfortunately, “hapless” is the word that defines the Bush administration. Confronted with a horrific terrorist attack on the nation that took 3,000 lives, the administration did not muster its resources and make it a priority to capture the guy who planned the attack. Instead, it invaded a country that had nothing to do with it.

When warnings of a powerful hurricane approaching New Orleans were issued, the administration did, well, nothing because the guy in charge of FEMA had no relevant experience. After the storm hit, the administration got right to work — looking for ways to blame it all on Democrats.

President George W. Bush — a.k.a. “Mr. Global Warming is a Myth,” “Mr. I Love Intelligent Design” — doesn’t understand the first thing about science and probably could not read a college freshman’s Biology I text. Of course, no one expects the president to be a rocket scientist (although wouldn’t that be nice, just once?), but this guy is beyond stubborn. When science conflicts with his stated policy objectives or the perceived needs of Big Business, science goes out the window.

This is what happens when you elect a boob to the highest office in the land. In the last two elections, the American people had a choice between a boob and guys who understand science. They went with the boob. (Well, the Supreme Court did the first time.) Anti-science, anti-intellectual knuckle-draggers also abound in the House and Senate. Most of the time their antics frustrate, and occasionally provide amusement.

The anemic response to the bird flu, a disease that has already surfaced in 10 Asian countries and has just penetrated Europe, is beyond frustrating, and it sure as hell isn’t funny.

(While I’m at it, I should mention a few other Bush-era science howlers that you might have forgotten. Remember when we were told to protect ourselves from a chemical or biological attack by sealing up the basement windows with plastic and duct tape? People were actually buying the stuff until some wag pointed out if the windows were so airtight that no chemical agent could get in, no air would either. Oops.)

The administration’s plan for evacuating Washington, D.C., was also entertaining. If you don’t live in the area, you might have missed it. The plan was this: If you live south of Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, drive south. If you live north of that street, drive north.

Hmmm. What if I live south of Pennsylvania Avenue but have a vacation home or relatives in rural Pennsylvania? What if I work north of Pennsylvania Avenue but live south of it? Must I double back if an attack occurs while I’m at work? What if I simply want to drive west? Can no one drive west? Aside from all of this, the plan overlooked one obvious fact about D.C.: This area experiences massive gridlock when we have one-quarter inch of snow. Yet we’re going to evacuate smoothly in the event of a chemical attack? As I told Mrs. Morbo, “We’re staying here. I’d rather die at home than on Exit 5 of the Beltway.”)

In 1918, the Spanish flu killed 50 million people worldwide. Researchers have never understood why it was so virulent — until now. Scientists reconstructed the genetic code of the virus by exhuming the corpse of a victim buried in the Alaskan permafrost. It’s an incredible example of what dedicated scientists can do.

What they learned should give us all plenty of food for thought: As The Washington Post noted, the Spanish flu “was a bird virus that appears to have become a human virus through the slow accumulation of mutations….”

Mutations? Don’t those have something to do with evolution — another scientific concept Bush rejects?

The main outlines of a planned response to a pandemic are evident to anyone who’s read The Great Influenza. I have blogged some some obvious things a plan should address, including:

– All city and town administrators (city managers, mayors, councilmen, etc.) notified of steps to be taken in event of pandemic (school closings, closing movie houses, cancellation of events with large public attendance, temporary hospital openings, etc.)

– Clear (and lengthy) lines of succession for all critical positions of authority–i.e., who succeeds to a position in the event the current holder is incapacitated, dies, or cannot be located. Positions for which such succession must be defined include civil authorities, police chief, health authorities, coroners, fire chief, and the like.

– Plan of how to keep essential functions operational even when many personnel fall ill–e.g., combining fire stations if there are too few ambulatory firefighters at a station to effectively fight a fire.

and so on. A real plan would make sobering reading indeed, and would include identification of morgue sites and how to transport the (many) dead.

  • I read a transcript of Clark talking to Geraldo? (probably on securingamerica.com) about this, but he seemed to be saying that there’s no point in getting the vaccine now, because for it to become dangerous it has to mutate to be transmitted from human-to-human and with that mutation, the current vaccines will be useless. They need to wait until they know the strain they’re fighting, before they can make the vaccine. If that’s the case, readying more facilities to quickly bring into production vaccine, and to have the raw ingredients on hand and the ability to transport them and coordinate where they go, seems the most important elements to be working on at the moment.

  • I was of the opinion that the current vaccine is for types of flu other than the new avian flu. Is there really a vaccine for H5N1? Maybe we just take a shot of brandy and hope for the best.

  • You know, I realise this will sound colder that a witches tit, but it is estimated that world population will double by 2050 at the rate we are reproducing ourselves. Today’s world population is over 6 billion people. We don’t have enough resources as it is for what we have now. Some depopulation of the human tribe isn’t that bad of an idea….not that it should happen this way. Sometimes the world has to speedslap some sense into people. Personally, I don’t want to live in a world with that many people. I’d rather have proportionality of all creatures of the earth, the way it ought to be.

  • Sinequanon, which of your family members and friends would you like to sacrifice to the noble cause of proportionality?

  • Hello My name is Robin Uff (truthling) and I am writing this ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE that I’ve talked to on this subject.

    I was going to write a standard letter,but then decided to bring it to you as the conversations at three message boards that I belong to,because there are other points of view that just seem to make the subject matter more viable and relevent.

    WE NEED YOUR HELP,not your excuses ANYMORE!

    We are willing to help in return of SOME REAL ACTION AND NOW!

    truthling
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    We can sit here and IGNORE it……

    We can sit here and make believe that Osama Bin Laden is the biggest threat that exists for mankind……….

    BUT I’m telling you that there is something more important IMMEDIATELY THAT MUST BE TALKED ABOUT AND RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And talking to you good folks up there IN CANADA IS ESSENTIAL TO WHAT’S ABOUT TO HAPPEN……..

    This bird flu thing MUST BE RECTIFIED………..

    WE ARE IN THE DIRECT FLITE PATH of a potential WALL OF DISEASE BY NEXT FALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    PLEASE DON’T TELL ME TO PUT MY TIN FOIL HAT BACK ON BECAUSE YOU’RE AFRAID TO DEAL WITH THIS MONUMENTAL AND DAUNTING TASK!

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!
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    keninva2
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    Truthling? The bird flu is one of the biggest loads of bullshit to have been brought up before the American people by it’s media.

    Fact: In all the world since it’s discovery the bird flu has killed less than one hundred people and that is over the last four years. Seriously.
    Fact: the bird flu in no more deadly than any other flu we’ve had in the last couple hundred years.
    Fact: in America alone the common strains of flu kill around 2000 people every year.

    The bird flu? Give me a freaking break. All the worry is about something that is no more dangerous than a cold, and a vacine is in the making for it. You’ll pardon me if I don’t get all worked up over it I’m sure.

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    NO Ken IT ISN’T bullshit for people THAT LIVE IN THE MAIN FLYWAYS!
    No it’s not killing many people who are not affected by this situation because it seems that only when the birds are handled or their @#%$ at THIS point,that are in danger ………..

    BUT you’re not taking in the SCOPE of the problem in the areas that have to handle the geese next fall,BY THE HUNTERS AND FARMERS,AND EVERYONE ELSE who are going to have MILLIONS of geese landing on their harvested corn fields,and lakes and streams AND THAT buddy IS A MAJOR PROBLEM here where I’m from!

    The disease is spread through their @#%$ also,and MILLIONS of geese fly over my house annually!

    THAT kind of volume makes it something that MUST BE PLANNED FOR NOW!

    Folks that only see a few lines of geese now and then don’t have as much to worry about,but us here around the Great Lakes better get on guard RIGHT NOW,yes the “pandemic” is not with humans YET,but the amount of goose @#%$ around me,PUTS EVERY LIVING THING ON THE GROUND at great risk for transmission of this thing just by coming in contact with that volume alone,and if the mutation is happening at ALL we’ve got a BIG PROBLEM and it MUST be addressed!!!!!!!!!

    I’ll go back and put my “tin foil” hat back on now and take a nappy!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/22/06 11:33 pm

    truthling
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    This thing has uncalculable porportion in flyway areas in the years to come!!!!
    SO LET’S TALK NOW before it’s here and figure out what to do,KNOWING that there isn’t vaccine for us!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have many ideas on it BUT first I must climb to the top of Mount Olympus and put my tin hat on so I can get stuck by lightning again???????
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/22/06 2:16 pm

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    I don’t care too much about bird flu. But anyway, I prefer not to panic. There’s a risk but not so much. Usually western civilized people, would end into the intensive care of a hospital, where they could be cured.

    Now if it’s going to become an epidemic. I don’t think so. But if my aforementioned opinion is wrong, we are badly screwed.
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    Truthling,

    I agree with you on this one! I belong to some other boards taht we are discussing this and it is scarey! I raise chickens so this is espeically worried! I have taken every percaution I can to stop this in it’s track!

    My chickens (the few I have) are now living inside in cages (they are bantie chickens) but I am with you on this poiint…the goose @#%$ is going to effect every living creature! How can somebody say it will not!

    If a chicken, duck, goose, dog or cat, walks in goose @#%$…they are at risk!!!!!!!

    I have not watch one piece of NEWS about this…but I HAVE done MAJOR research on this for months now and it is something we NEED TO WORRY ABOUT!

    The first thing we are goign to do where we live is…have a different pair of shoes that we take off at the door BEFORE we come into the house! Other than thast, I am not sure what else we will be doing to prevent this!

    I am willing to listen to your suggestions! We have geese EVERYWHERE around here, so YES I AM WORRIED!!!!!!

    Above all…Hope – A forum for all your troubles

    keninva2
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    Guys, the facts do not make the concern real, it simply not a huge problem. Hell, I’m more concerned about mad cow than bird flu, and the fact do actually bear that one out.

    So, you’re on a major fly way, so what? Do you go out and pet the pretty little ducks and geese? Do they land in your yard and hang out? Do you exchange bodily fluids with them? (if you do then I really don’t want to know, but if you do you deserve what you get)

    Hopefully, the answer is no to all of these, and with that in mind again I say there is no @#%$ reason to do the Chicken Little impersonation. Jesus, Mary and Joseph guys! There’s a time for action and deep concern and then there’s times like now to just scratch your nuts and say, “if you can’t eat it or screw it, piss on it.”

    Now if you can show me something that’s based in fact and not some @#%$’s opinion that might convince me otherwise, then by all means lay it on me, because I’d like to see it. But just getting yourselves all worked up in a tissy isn’t going to be helpful or useful to anyone. So, in short, quit whinning and show me some proof that there’s a problem to justify the concern, I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

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    Well for one thing WANKER I don’t appreciate being called an @#%$!!!!!!!!

    And yes they land on my @#%$ pond,and in every @#%$ cornfield and pond and river around here up by me for a hundred mile radius, by the tens of thousands at a time,so if you’re gonna call me names @#%$ YOU,I DON’T GIVE A @#%$ WHAT YOU THINK!!!!!!

    I’M NOT A @#%$ REPORTER,or a dumbassed politician and I’m NOT trying to cause a panic, I’m trying to AVERT ONE, when everybody sits around with their thumbs up their collective dumb asses and wait for this thing to mutate until it’s TOO LATE because THERE’S NO MEDICINE FOR IT!

    There are ways to nip this thing in the bud I believe,WAY more cost effective than trying to round up a vaccine for humans!

    THE EVIDENCE is coming up the other side of the globe,they’re going to FLOCK UP in Northern Canada and Alaska !

    But you gotta go insulting people for trying to talk about it, way before it’s too @#%$ late to talk anymore!

    And I really want you Canadians to get involved in this discussion!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/23/06 12:03 am

    keninva2
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    Truthling, get your head out of your ass!

    I didn’t call you an @#%$, unless you’re the one that’s spreading the opinion that has people like you in such a dither. Now if you are that @#%$ then sorry but the title sticks, but I don’t think it was you, so there. Now had I said “Truthling, you’re an @#%$” that would have been an attack on a personal level and that would be a bad thing.

    AND, you’re right name calling is not a valid arguement, rather it shows the lack of facts or reason to validate an opinion. So, do us both a favor and try reading the post before you fly off the handle and then look like an @#%$.

    So, just for shits and grins let’s give this another try, shall we?
    What basis for being worried about all this do you have, you have an opinion therefore you must have some logic or fact that validates that opinion in your mind. I’d simply like to hear it.

    So, relax and take a breath there Home boy.

    (Jeez, some people’s children?)

    truthling
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    You just DON’T get it DO YOU?

    HOME BOY!?

    Maybe it’s YOU whom should learn to DEcipher what I’m trying to say,in no way what you said in your previous explative did you refer to ANYONE in the third tense of the conversation,which left ME holding the “@#%$ bag” !

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/23/06 1:26 am

    EZEYEZ
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    Up here in Canada we laugh at some of this bird @#%$ stuff cause it gets so cold here at times that it would kill any boogies in the poop.
    Being serious though, I live right on a beech where the geese are often so thick that you can’t walk. @#%$ is everywhere and there is more deseases that we can catch besides Avian flu so we never get too worried unless we get careless.
    We wash our animals paws, never go barefoot and try and watch where we strut but I personally don’t think there is much to woory about and that alot of it is hype coming from countries where things are a little bit more er, unsanitary!

    truthling
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    Well EZ,just because things aren’t per say heating up YET,and that’s a GOOD thing,I believe if we explore the ways of stopping it BEFORE critical mass is reached,if it will be reached,that’s also a GOOD thing!

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    truthling
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    Angel,
    I don’t know where you are,but down in PA ,my sister who lives in Lancaster County,told me that they’re going to handle it the same way they handled the last Avion flu twenty years ago,when over 16 MILLION birds died and where destroyed!

    They built CLEAN rooms on their coups and chicken houses,where they changed into HAZMAT MOON suits WITH RESPIRATORS ,RUBBER GLOVES and booties,and disinfected themselves on EVERY TRIP out of the coup!

    And TOOK ALL FOWL INSIDE,I know how hard that can be when they all get “couped up” and start fighting!

    It all depends on what lengths you’re willing to go if this thing heats up,to keep your birds alive!

    Let’s keep talking about it until everybody is well enough informed about it so they can be led by REASON AND ACTION ,and NOT FEAR AVOIDENCE AND HIDING!

    One thing I know for certain about this disease is that it’s a deep lung disease,so you may have to HEAT your coups so they don’t breath cold air,but that might also spread things faster,I don’t know,why don’t you try to find out and I will also?

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/23/06 2:27 am

    truthling
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    I said that I have some ideas on handling this thing,my ideas are on the WILD LEVEL,as I see it there are a few of options:

    1) massive inocculated food drops,through military and voluntary cooperation!

    2) Crop dust them with inocculent before dawn,before they wake up and take flight! I believe that the spray will burn they’re eyes and PIN THEM TO THE GROUND without hurting them

    3) and no one is going to like this one,IF the infection gets out of hand NAPALM THEM and incinerate them where they are!

    I’m open to other suggestions!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    evillovinangel
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    Ok here is what I am thinking right about now! I will be keeping my flock INISIDE! That is MY first step!

    Now…I am not in a panic mode yet anyhow!!! All I am saying is I think we need to pay attention to what is going on before it actually gets here!

    I agree…they are now saying it is a deep lung thing so human’s don’t have to be that careful, but as far as my birds…I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL

    I, like turthling, am not a bullshit politican…not some high exc. but I don’t trust our governement to do much if and when it gets here!

    The thousands of people I know online on a chicken board…their first step has been to cover thei coop areas with something so that the wild bird droppings do not come down where the chickens are!

    AND…FOR THE RECORD, I AGREE with whoever above said…. we DO live in a MUCH CLEANER environment that most of the countries that are having this avian flu problem!

    but we must remember that some of the countries that HAVE it…are cleaner countries

    Look at the way OUR government handled Katrina….it was one big @#%$ mess! Would you have enjoyed being one of the thousands standing on the freeway waiting for water or food? HELL NO so lets prepare before we end up all @#%$ up!

    I have customized my google news page to look up everything related to poultry/chickens and avian flu…so I can keep you posted on the newest news! I am also following it on another board.

    I think for now…if we all practice safe hygine…we will be ok, but lets not cover our eyes to this, PLEASE! It WILL come this way!

    Like somebody said above…wash yoru dogs/cats paws before you come inside! Wash yoru handsoften…change shoes at the door…it may not sound like much, but it is a start

    Truth…I am with ya on this one…I will post anything I find ok!

    Above all…Hope – A forum for all your troubles

    keninva2
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    Hey Truthling, I get it fine. As decyphering. well that seems to be your area that needs a little work.

    So, I take it that you don’t really want to justify your position with facts or reason you simply want to scream and create a panic over nothing, sort of like yelling fire in a crowded theater.

    Jeez, go sit in the corner and smoke something and call me in the morning

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    Well let me clue you,at this point I’m straighter than 80% OF AMERICA and because I reference it in JEST to keep things light,take absolutely nothing for granted,AND BECAUSE of the way that everything is being “taken care of GUBMENTALLY” ,ESPECIALLY WITH KATRINA, I think the fact that we talk about this now,will lead to ACTION AT THE RIGHT TIME!!!

    Because the TOTALLY HORSESHIT notion that our GUBMENT has it under control,would NEVER turn their backs on us in a crisis situation and “don’t worry just be happy” ,is just that “TOTALLY UNADULTERATED HORSESHIT”!!!!!!!!!!

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

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    The problem with bird flu, is that actually, we can’t do anything ourselves, our within the western countries to prevent the real damage.

    Still bird flu haven’t broken the species barrier, now if it gets parts of the human virus, so it can hop from one person, to another, we are finished. In order for the virus to transmutate, it needs a very unhealthy environment, with lack of any real hygiene pre-cautions. So say somewhere in Asia, Africa, or Latin America, that happens. It’s almost unavoidable, so the real deal would be when we are going to have human flu, with the same characteristics as the bird one.

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    Darky Darky Darky just because we don’t have medicine for it, in NO WAY means we are done,there are things we can do to keep from getting it,even in pandemic stages,RAW GARLIC AND ONIONS in mass quantities are very affective,combined with the correct herbs,vegetables and fruits………I juice them for maxium affectiveness!!!!!!

    There’s NOTHING on earth,IMHO that can stand up to the enzymes and chemical compounds in raw garlic and raw onions!

    Garlic kills STAPH infection!!!!!!!!

    I’m actually betting my LIFE AND MY FARM ON IT,because I wouldn’t take their mercury ladden vaccines EVEN IF they had them!!!!!!

    I also believe we should look at these for an ACTUAL CURE FOR THE BIRDS, CROP DUSTING them on their sleeping areas, so they’d be forced TO INHALE IT and food drops, with garlic and onion soaked corn or bread might just be the ticket!!!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/23/06 7:37 pm

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    Truth…I have been feeding my chickens garlic for almost 2 years now! We ptu an entire clove in their water dish and change it when it begins to sprout…they say it helps ward off any disease. I would imagine bread soaked in garlic would be good for them too!

    I am not by any means saying our gobernment is perfect, but I DO think we are ahead of the other countries that have this problem! NOT that we will not get it, because WE WILL, just saying…I think we can handle it a little better than ‘them”

    Above all…Hope – A forum for all your troubles

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    JUICE IT ANGEL and add it to their water they will ABSORB IT and won’t have to digest it,I don’t think they’ll get the full benefit unless you puree the cloves,and release the enzymes!!!!!!!!!

    AND IF we are it’s OUR DUTY to help them,because this IS N’T GODS JUDGEMENT as some would say!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/23/06 4:53 pm

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    How would I juice it if I don’t have a juicer? Could I just smash it up into a fine mush?

    I have also heard that cooked cabbage is on the list to give the birds…they love it, so I figured why not!

    You have chickens too?

    Above all…Hope – A forum for all your troubles

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    Yes just mush up a clove at a time,and put it in a tea ball!

    No I have NO chickens,I’m thinking how we can CURE this thing THIS YEAR,in a couple of months from now before it has a chance to even get NEAR our flocks or Canada”s,just kick the @#%$ out of it AT THE SOURCE,AND it would innoculate EVERYTHING ON THE GROUND without hurting ANYTHING!!!!!!!

    WE DON’T HAVE TO HURT THE BIRDS or ourselves,and THE GARLIC JUICE will also disinfect their poop!!!!!!!!!!!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/23/06 6:28 pm

    evillovinangel
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    I just told my hubby about the garlic and he suggested putting a shitload of garlic in my food processor and blending the @#%$ out of it! I think that would work!

    Thanks Truthling

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    truthling
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    EZ if WE can accomplish what they are NOT even trying to do,we put them in the posture that they belong TO SHAME!

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    The Ministry of Health in China has confirmed the country’s 16th case of human infection with the H5N1 avian influenza virus. The case, which was fatal, occurred in a 29-year-old female migrant worker. She was hospitalized in Shanghai on 15 March with symptoms of pneumonia and died on 21 March.
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    Angel ,I / we already know what the people who live and think INSIDE THE BOX have …………..NOTHING BUT PANIC…………the answer to that is…………………EVACUATE THE BOX AT ALL COST…………THE ANSWER TO THIS AND many other problems we’re experiencing IS NOWHERE IN THE BOX!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

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    Destroy the box so you cannot panic and return!

    Electric Air (uncensored)

    evillovinangel
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    Maybe I should hide in the box!
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    truthling
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    Why Angel,the” LINES AND BOXES “are not our friends,they are blocking devises to less common higher thought processes!

    Do you think that the knowledge and faith in the substances I’ve been talking to you about are in the “common line of bullshit box”?

    Can they be found “in the box” on ANY SCALE that must be implmented to to avert what could happen at all OR HOW TO FIX IT………………….NO THEY ARE NOT!

    ARE THEY EVEN ACCEPTED COMMON LINE KNOWLEDGE AT ALL?

    NO THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE, they’re not corporately profitable enough,or that would be the “common line of bullshit” and why do you think that is,because they DON’T WORK?…….NO,BECAUSE THEY CAN’T PATENT NATURE IN THAT WAY,they can not patent garlic and onion juice in a box or bottle!

    If you listen to the common line of biologists,chemists and doctors THERE IS NOTHING that can be done, AND for us to sit and let this thing happen ,and “maybe” they’ll have it figured out in five years,but YET I gave you THE “PLAN” QUITE TO THE CONTRARY THAT “CAN AND WILL” KILL THIS THING NOW AND YOU WANT TO HIDE IN THE FREAKIN’ BOX??????

    I’m sorry I can not accept that,I gave you the knowledge NOT only for you to help your chickens or for it to stay only with you, THERE ARE MUCH BIGGER FISH TO FRY,AND MUCH LARGER SCENARIOS TO BE MET!

    I hope your chickens do well with the advise,honestly I do,but I guess that maybe I have to figure out another way to create the wave that has to be created to meet the scenario of the bigger picture, if the help that I need ,does not exist here or is refused to be given in the favor OF @#%$ BOXES????

    Be the wave dear,NOT the conveniently patented boxed lie,if you’re waiting and expecting the FDA OR THE USDA to bail us out,FORGET IT NOW,because they’re doing more to kill us than help us everyday of the week……….THINK ABOUT IT NOW ………….OR the next time you read a ten paged warning label FOR PRODUCTS THEY ALLOW WITHIN THE BOX!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/27/06 3:15 am

    truthling
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    LINES AND BOXES “are not our friends,they are blocking devises to less common higher thought processes!

    Exactly, in order for the human race to make any headway we must all elevate from the norm, escalate from the common and deviate from the form.
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    Ok here goes! Truthling….I am taking your advice and giving myself and my chickens garlic and onions…What I meant when I said maybe I need to hide in a box was just a simple comment for laughs!

    Call me a dumb blonde, but sometimes what you post makes no @#%$ sence to me! It seems as if soemtimes you @#%$ talk in circles!

    I am all for standing up for MY rights and makign a stand! I even wrote to my congressman the other day with my concerns about the whole avian flu @#%$! NOT that it will help, but I am doing my part!

    @#%$ get off the high horse and KNOW that some of us just aren’t as @#%$ smart as you! I DO NOT have the perfect answer, but I will take suggestions at any cost!

    Just use plane @#%$ english sometimes nad maybe this dumb ass can understand what the hell it is that you are saying!

    You can call me a moron if you would like, but I just don’t get what it is you want me to do here!!!!!

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    Angel I never even implied anything about your intelligents level!

    I was furnishing you with the COMPARISON of where the answers ARE NOT COMING FROM ,quite obviously!

    THIS IS NOT about high horse AT ALL,this is about common sense which I know you have and a fairly “narrow window of opportunity” and trying to get as many people’s heads into the forward enough thought EFFORT to get this thing done before the birds get ready to come South again in six months !

    Think about SEVEN MILLION ACRES,and this doesn’t include the states West of me or East of me Vermont,New Hampshire,Mass.,and Maine,there are 2800 lakes AND 35,000 MILES OF STREAMS AND RIVERS in the Adirondack/Tughill region alone where I’m at,AND I’d say at least 1.5 MILLION acres of corn fields,more than that quite likely,AND THE BIRDS COME BACK INFECTED,with no way to know the percentages of the COMPLETE bird population that’s coming back infected,the MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF GEESE are not nearly all of it,the tens or hundreds of millions of birds of everytype feeding in those corn fields gaining strength to finish their journey, the birds are going to come back all around the great lakes flyways,what happens then,if allowed to come diseased?

    Did you ever see the Alfred Hitchcock movie THE BIRDS……….THAT’S HOW IT IS,except they’re not dive bombing us,AND I KNOW it’s like that around PRETTY MUCH OF THE REST of the Great Lakes and all the way over to Maine!

    Are you begining to understand the scope of this thing yet,like I told you before,I don’t know where you are OR what you’re seeing and have no way to know unless you tell me!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/27/06 9:56 pm

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    “END OF THIS PART 1”

    “Part 2”

    keybored1000
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    The thing is, we’re treating this flu like it’s a fire coming, and we’re being told to fireproof ourselves against it, instead of putting the fire out.

    I’m still hoping it won’t be a fire. There’s a 50/50 chance. But when there’s a 50% chance of rain, we plan on an umbrella.

    truthling
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    My idea WILL WORK ANYWHERE,ANYTIME and the resources to do this are EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!

    The mechanisms have to be brought into play,to deliver the crunching blow,but in realitivity are HOURS AWAY FROM KILLING THIS THING DEAD!

    THIS CAN BE DONE,it’s cheap,it’s available and what the hell do we have to lose,and what to we have to gain:

    1) Cheap natural fixes to future problems

    2) If we KILL THIS THING NOW the world will love us again,NO SHIITE!

    3) If the pharmecutical companies DON’T GET THEIR SHIITE TOGETHER,THEY COULD VERY WELL BE REDUCED to making dick growth and hard on pills FOREVER!!!!!!!!

    Decide…………..right here buddy WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO???????
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/26/06 12:39 am

    keybored1000
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    I “want” to implement your idea, and for governments and countries and scientists to agree and make it happen. But I have to say you should send YOUR idea to someone who has the authority to look into it. We can talk about it and agree or debate all day long. It comes back to – what do YOU want to do about it?

    It’s your idea. It needs to be evaluated. My idea is for you to get it to the right people.

    truthling
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    We can “evaluate” it all you want,the results ARE IN,on what garlic and onions can do,it’s a matter of porportion and delivery and exactly where to start first that delivery!!!!!!!

    It doesn’t freakin’ matter to me “who’s” idea it is,JUST THAT WE GETS IT WHERE AND TO WHOM WILL DO THE MOST WITH IT…………….HEY HOW ABOUT JOHN KERRY????????

    He’s got the soup company IN HIS SHORTS!
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    keybored1000
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    A phone call just now interrupted my diplomacy.

    Back again, and hey – forget John Kerry… AL GORE wants to save the world – call him! He’s all against global warming, he’s angry, he needs something to fill his time, and get the glory. I can’t say he’s tanned and rested though.

    truthling
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    I’d RATHER send it to Luigi Santa Giani and make HIM look like a Genius!

    KEEEEEP THEEEEE PAAAAARTIES OOOUUUT OOOOF IIIIT,THEEEIIIR AAALL DUUUUUMB!!!!!!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/26/06 11:45 am

    truthling
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    And I’m gonna take you a little further IN MY……….. VISION!!!!

    When they finally figure out that what I’m saying is good and extremely easily workable,MAKE WAY FOR A COMPLETELY NEW “USEFUL INDUSTRY” world wide AND JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS…………………..BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!!!

    CONSENSOUS creates the action right/wrong?
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/26/06 3:36 pm

    keybored1000
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    Right, it’s not about parties. It’s about who has the time, the clout and the visibility to make the noise – to get the job done. That’s why I said Gore. He’s unemployed by the government, he’s noisy, and he fits the bill. Who cares who gets credit for saving the planet?

    You have a concensus of two now. You need more people on the survival bandwagon.

    truthling
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    Well buddy by now I HOPE it’s a few more INCLUDING THE FBI!!!!!!!

    AND GAAALL DAMN IT MISS KITTY I KNOW YOU’RE OUT THERE I CAN HEAR YOUR HEAVY PURRING!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/26/06 7:15 pm

    averagecat
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    Hey, you know that I’m all for natural cures for anything. I took your advice last spring and I got better. Anyway, I love garlic!

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/28/06 1:26 pm

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    Key the way I see this thing,is that we have a three to four month window of opportunity,and a little time to get ready TO STOP this thing in it’s tracks from inundating our North American flocks,which could very well put it out of control!

    It’s a thousand times more cost effective to attack it before any of this happens!

    When the mass of the flocks are north, is exactly when we should attack it,because of the convenience of them being all together where ever they are!

    This is where I believe it has to be attacked FIRST,although it can be attacked resourcefully by this method ANYWHERE,ANYTIME CHEAPLY without damaging ANYTHING

    Any reputable SOUP company can provide the amounts of needed innoculant in a month or two,Campbells,Progresso,who ever if they start soon,TRAIN TANKERS FULL,the planes could be there IN DAYS after the call for volunteer crop dusters,fire fighters,military etc.!

    And then attack this thing FULL FORCE and spray the crap out of everything and drop innoculated food in mass,EVERTHING WILL BENEFIT from these methods AND what ever spray hits the ground and covers their sh*t will disinfect it!

    BUT IT MUST START TO BE IMPLEMENTED NOW!

    DO WE REALLY HAVE A CHOICE??

    The other areas that are already infected SHOULD ALSO START!

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/25/06 11:57 am

    truthling
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    With the amounts of birds in my flyway alone that I’m watching at this very moment……………….DO WE HAVE A CHOICE?

    And what choice would that be IF this infection gets into our flocks,SOOOOO whether or NOT that it mutates to humans could only be a short matter of time IF LEFT GET OUT OF CONTROL in our birds and wildlife,because remember EVERYTHING ON THE GROUND WILL BE AFFECTED IF IT COMES IN CONTACT WITH THAT SH*T!

    In my heart and mind I believe that the enzymes from raw garlic and raw onions can cure JUST ABOUT ANYTHING,it KILLS STAPH INFECTION which is one of the worst infections on earth!

    (a second thought) add a little capsan from hot peppers and you have a complete lung treatment!

    AND we have the chance TOO CURE ALL FLOCKS both here and there!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/25/06 12:31 pm

    keybored1000
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    That plan sounds reasonable, with the only question being how to implement it. Whenever you come up with an idea that requires real action, I always tell you to contact someone who can take your idea under advisement… whether it’s a congressman or some group or organization. That plan can’t be implemented by a single person, but a person can start it. An idea like your’s requires international effort and support. Talking about it and agreeing about it here won’t get it done – but the plan has some merits. At the very least, garlic and herbs can bolster our immune systems, if an attempt to administer them to birds is blocked. Canada would have to agree to all of this, and that would only come with pressure from their scientists and from our country. That’s a tall order, but your idea is interesting and it should be put to the right people.

    About a mutation: There’s no guarantee a mutation will happen, regardless of how many articles predict it. The most insightful stuff I’ve read (first) lowers the odds for that mutation to happen (from analysis of former bird flu strains from the early 1900’s), and (second) if a mutation happens, it’s not likely to be that contagious as long as it remains a deep lung disease. You should keep that in mind too, for perspective.

    If all those jumps occur (to mutation, to upper lung disease mutation) THEN it becomes pandemic and ‘it’s all she wrote.’

    The most dire observations about this flu are that it has spread farther and quicker among the bird population. But even though people are surprised that it’s spread so much, it WAS predicted form the very beginning that it would spread around the world – in birds. Birds migrate – where’s the surprise? So old news is being recycled as new news. That’s why I don’t trust all these contradictory reports.

    Meanwhile, we need to keep looking at proactive ideas like your’s, and keep a close eye on what’s happening with this flu. Some say we should stock food and water. That may be a good idea, but it’s still too early to really know. If it becomes a pandemic there will be some public services available to us to deal with it, but naturally the bulk of responsibility would be on our shoulders. The Weather Channel is desiging a monitoring system so the flu could be tracked here, so you can turn on your TV and see where the flu is. That’s not much of a help, is it? Media coverage of the flu may be ‘top notch’, but it’s up to us to avoid it.

    I wondered when you said you were “OUT” if you were splitting, but I’m glad that’s not what you mean’t.

    Edited by: keybored1000 at: 3/25/06 7:47 pm

    truthling
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    PSSSSSST WEEEE JUUUST MAAAAYYYY BBEEEE DDDDOOOOIIINNNGG IIITTT BUUUUDDDDDDDY!!!!!!!

    We’re starting the wave on the pond,QUIK JUMP UP AND DOWN,Quantum Physically speaking of course!!!!!!!

    I see there are two options either just jump up and down to keep the wave going,OR “YELL LIKE HELL” WHILE YOU’RE DOING IT UNTIL SOMEONE GETS THE MESSAGE!!!!!!!!!

    AND who knows,now DON’T QUOTE ME ON THIS,but maybe just maybe somebody MAY ,now PLEAZE don’t get the wrong idea here I’M NOT A RACIST and I don’t mean to offend anybody’s GOD given sensitivities in anyway, BUT MAYBE SOMEONE WILL ACTUALLY WANT TO SURVIVE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM!?!?!?

    AND yaknow WHAT,I hope them limp wristed pencilneck bootlicking abject spunk swallowing gubment geek spook retards for the preservation of freedumb foundation SONS OF BITCHIN’ BASTEDS ARE STICKING TO MY EVERY WORD AND HE/SHE’S GOING TO GET SOOOOO MAD AND INFURIATED THAT HE/’SHE ACTUALLY PASSES THIS IDEA TO HIS/HER BOSS IN SUCH ANGER AND INDIGNATION,BEFORE THE HAND FALLS OFF HIS/HER SPIRALING WRIST,(because they didn’t think of it),that he/she’ll pass the buck further and further up the line ,because something should be done about these @#%$ for brains free thinkers yaknow! UUUUUH FAR OUT MAN LIKA PSYCHODELIC DUDE, could our words actually be ALIVE??????????
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/25/06 11:38 pm

    keybored1000
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    So. you got something against limp wristed pencilneck bootlicking abject spunk swallowing gubment geek spook retards for the preservation of freedumb foundation SONS OF BITCHIN’ BASTEDS?

    I hear ya’. But then, you know, you can ‘yell like hell’ to the wrong people, or just whisper to someone who might just ‘get it’. Getting your point across to the right people, whoever in the hell they are, is important.

    I don’t have a plan here. But thinking about it leads me to guess an ultimate solution would be to stop bird flu at the bird level. If birds were immune, we wouldn’t have to worry about vaccines for us. Of course, that probably takes more time to discover a bird vaccine and how to administer it than we have left.

    I hope this flu runs its course before a mutation occurs. There are a lot of minds working on this disease, and time will tell if someone figures it out, and whether they needed to. If this thing mutates, I’ll be all for Napalm or any solution available.

    Edited by: keybored1000 at: 3/25/06 11:50 pm

    truthling
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    [“I don’t have a plan here. But thinking about it leads me to guess an ultimate solution would be to stop bird flu at the bird level. If birds were immune, we wouldn’t have to worry about vaccines for us. Of course, that probably takes more time to discover a bird vaccine and how to administer it than we have left. “]

    BINGO BUDDY!!!!!!!!!

    [“I hope this flu runs its course before a mutation occurs. There are a lot of minds working on this disease, and time will tell if someone figures it out, and whether they needed to. If this thing mutates, I’ll be all for Naplam or any solution available.”]

    SCREW ANYTHING “RUNNING IT’S COURSE”,WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE MECHINISMS AND JUST ABOUT ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE THIS WORK!!!!!!!

    NO TIME FOR INDECISION,up the freakin’ RIVELS BUDDY I KNOW IT WILL WORK!

    FEEEEEL THEEEE WAAAAAVE BUUUUDDDDDDYY,MAAAAAKKKEEE THEEEEE WAAAAAVVVVVEEEE,BEEEEE THEEE WAAAAAVVVVVEEEEE!!!!!

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/26/06 12:03 am

    keybored1000
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    Another point – you got me thinking (at least I think I am.)

    The most likely place for the flu to mutate, if it does, would be in an area where the bird flu has been most prevalent, with the worst control conditions… like Asia, Africa, etc.

    If the flu mutates there first, as I believe it would, the birds here wouldn’t be carrying that human strain in them. It would take another migratory season for them to get here… IF I’m right on this. That wouldn’t stop human spreading, and our best chance for getting it would be from a human traveler to the U.S. So we’d have to close international transportation, flights, etc., until people could be screened for the flu before they got here.

    I haven’t heard this angle discussed, so I’m guessing here.

    My point being – we MAY have more time to bide on this than we thought. In the meantime, I’m sorry for the birds, but hey – better them than us.

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    END OF PART 2

    part three
    truthling
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    The way I see this thing,is that we have a three to four month window of opportunity,and a little time to get ready TO STOP this thing in it’s tracks from inundating our North American flocks,which could very well put it out of control!

    It’s a thousand times more cost effective to attack it before any of this happens!

    When the mass of the flocks are north, is exactly when we should attack it,because of the convenience of them being all together where ever they are!

    This is where I believe it has to be attacked FIRST,although it can be attacked resourcefully by this method ANYWHERE,ANYTIME CHEAPLY without damaging ANYTHING

    Any reputable SOUP company can provide the amounts of needed innoculant in a month or two,Campbells,Progresso,who ever if they start soon,TRAIN TANKERS FULL,the planes could be there IN DAYS after the call for volunteer crop dusters,fire fighters,military etc.!

    And then attack this thing FULL FORCE and spray the crap out of everything and drop innoculated food in mass,EVERTHING WILL BENEFIT from these methods AND what ever spray hits the ground and covers their sh*t will disinfect it!

    BUT IT MUST START TO BE IMPLEMENTED NOW!

    The other areas that are already infected SHOULD ALSO START AT WILL!

    In my estimation talking about how filty the rest of the world is can wait until later,AND then we can discuss why we’re allowing North American inundation of this also!

    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!

    Edited by: truthling at: 3/25/06 9:45 am

    TLC3
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    Truth, I never took you for a doomsdayer. I saw a doctor on some show last week and he said that the bird flu has to mutate at least TWICE before humans will be horribly affected. He said the chances of that are slim to NONE. He said that the people who *will* contract the bird flu are people who handle birds in some way ALL THE TIME. You never told us that you raise turkeys!!!!

    truthling
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    “T” with the amounts of birds in my flyway alone that I’m watching at this very moment……………….DO WE HAVE A CHOICE?

    And what choice would that be IF this infection get’s into our flocks,SOOOOO whether or NOT that it mutates to humans could only be a short matter of time IF LEFT GET OUT OF CONTROL in our birds and wildlife,because remember EVERYTHING ON THE GROUND WILL BE AFFECTED IF IT COMES IN CONTACT WITH THAT SH*T!

    in my heart and mind I believe that the enzymes from raw garlic and raw onions can cure JUST ABOUT ANYTHING,it KILLS STAPH INFECTION which is one of the worst infections on earth!

    (a second thought) add a little capsan from hot peppers and you have a complete lung treatment!

    AND we have the chance TOO CURE ALL FLOCKS both here and there!
    a WINK’S as good as a NOD to a BLIND MAN!
    Edited by: truthling at: 3/25/06 10:26 am

    Susansve
    St. Susan of the Sewer Saved
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    (3/25/06 10:30 am)
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    Re: Hi, truthling
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    Truthling, you are one of a kind, and I would never call you an @#%$. Anal orafice, maybe. JK
    There is no such thing as bad weather. There is only inappropriate clothing.

    karengman
    Buckeye Babe
    Posts: 498
    (3/25/06 10:48 am)
    Reply Re: Hi, truthling
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    Son I don’t understand a word you’re sayin.

    Pass the Rubicon
    Sapling
    Posts: 163
    (3/25/06 10:56 am)
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    Re: Hi, truthling
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    I think I caught bird flu.

    Ok that’s just part of the conversation,WE NEED YOU GUYS TO ACT if you are so inclined with the means TO STOP THIS THING “BEFORE” IT’S TOO LATE!

    We are here to help you, I’ll be waiting for your reponse at nibor_313@hotmail.com,PLEASE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION!

    VERY Sincerly yours Robin Uff

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