Imagining a post-Rove world

Karl Rove has not yet been indicted. We don’t know if he will be indicted. We don’t even know for sure if he’ll resign — or even be pardoned — if charges are brought against him. But if we didn’t engage in a little baseless speculation about what the political world would be like if Rove was forced from the West Wing, we wouldn’t have any fun at all.

Slate’s John Dickerson recently explored what would happen if “Bush’s Brain is removed.” There were a couple of points that stood out.

When a senator or Cabinet official gets a call from Karl Rove, he makes time to take it. Only Dick Cheney has more throw-weight as a stand-in for the president. Rove also knows that Washington shiatsu requires finesse as well as power. He knows where the political pressure points are found: what member needs what program in his district; what staffer can undermine the efforts of a recalcitrant Cabinet official, and which lobbyist needs to be invited to the Christmas party. […]

George Bush and Karl Rove came to Washington in 2000 to launch not only a presidency but a Republican revolution that would keep the GOP in power for a generation. During the off-year election in 2002, the two gambled by sending Bush to campaign in close races. It worked: They picked up congressional seats, reversing the historical trend that the party in control of the White House loses seats in its first midterm election. Now the Bush-Rove dream is in big trouble. The president’s approval ratings are at their lowest level, and a recent poll showed that by 48 percent to 38 percent of Americans would prefer that Democrats control Congress.

It’s not about policy (Rove is hardly an expert); it’s not about counsel (Bush can always re-read Harriet Miers’ correspondence if he needs an ego boost); it’s about using and keeping power. That’s where Bush needs Rove and it’s where the president will suffer if Rove has to go.

Even without an indictment, the scandal has already undermined Rove in this regard. He’s not as feared on the Hill; wooed candidates feel emboldened to reject his demands; and his word alone is no longer enough to convince his base about the merit behind a Supreme Court nominee.

Indeed, the situation is so dire, the White House is already leaking word about Rove’s would-be replacement.

With Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove having just made his fourth appearance last week before the federal grand jury looking into the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame, some worried White House insiders are now talking about who might replace him if he becomes entangled in a criminal inquiry. Topping the list: lobbyist, former Republican Party chairman, and judicial shepherd Ed Gillespie. The cofounder of the powerhouse Quinn-Gillespie public relations and lobbying firm, he was called on to handle much of the effort to get John G. Roberts confirmed in his post as chief justice of the United States and has stayed on to address conservatives’ objections to Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers.

The guy leaves the grand jury room and within hours, his colleagues are dishing to U.S. News about his replacement? Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

I wonder if Rove will technically go, but Bush will still call him every few minutes to ask him what to do. It’s like DeLay leaving his leader post, but still running the House.

How can we make sure Rove really is gone if he resigns?

  • Speculation pure and simple. Both Mr. Rove and Mr. Cheney along with Mr. Cheney’s Chief of Staff Libby (3) will all be indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice. This unheard of taking a fall will be an attempt to keep President Bush/s hand above the waters of scandal. Because it is very clear now that the whole group from the president to the vice president and their Chiefs of Staff were involved in meeting in which the main topic was how to discredit and get revenge on Joe Wilson. Why? Because he told with true. How ridiculous to actually encounter a truthful diplomat. This plan to protect Mr. Bush will fail.

  • Rove will be as gone as Karen Hughes when she was ‘spending more time with the family’ in Texas.

  • Am I the only one who thinks Bush will pardon them? No way could he let this thing go to trial.

  • There is this from Digby….

    George W. Bush is a creature of Karl Rove’s imagination. He invented him. I would bet money that Dick Cheney is no longer a trusted second in command. It looks like he and his little dog Scooter may have taken Turdblossom down with them. If Rove goes, for better or worse (and I don’t actually think it could be worse) the United States will effectively no longer have a president.

    I wonder if James Baker is on call. He’s the loyal Texan the Bushes usually call to clean up their shit. If he’s not up for it this time it looks like Andrew Card or Ed Gillespie will be running the most powerful nation on earth for the next three years. Jesus.

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005_10_16_digbysblog_archive.html#112948026534333928

  • Is it just me or does Rove remind anyone else of that guy in Highschool no one liked who, when he achieves success, uses it to take his revenge on the world?

  • Hey Semper Fubar…

    I agree with you…I’m thinking no way will Bush have members of his administration speak under oath at a public trial (the grand jury is not a public proceeding)…a public trial would devastate his already shaky standing with the American people and Bush must be shaking in his shoes at all the dirt that would emerge re: the origins of the decision to go war in Iraq.

    I think he’ll keep it clean and pardon…it worked for Nixon (although Ford was the pardoner) and it worked for his dad vis-a-vis Iran-Contra…that’s precedent enough. I think he’ll pardon, pre-empt the Plamegate storyline, and try to tough it out. He can envision the ugly consequences of a pardon, but the ramifications of a trial – where the storyline is beyond spin – are unknowable.

    What remains to be seen is if Congress goes Democratic in 2006 if the outrage hasn’t abated by then. If so, Bush is in for endless investigations and, I could easily imagine, impeachment. But, I think they are living day-to-day at the White House now…the hell that can be put off until 2006 is preferable to hell today. Worse case he resigns in 2006 and makes a deal to avoid prosecution…and spends the rest of his life rehabilitating his legacy. Born and born again. And Bush will always have plenty of true believers.

  • The problem with the pardon plan is that the previous pardons have taken place in the next administration. In this case W will still be in the White House. Legally can you pardon someone before they are convicted? Won’t the trial have to happen no matter what? My guess is that in the “interest of National Security” the trail will be held in secret and we will just be told about what happened. And people thought it was bad when O.J. got off!

    In the event they are tried and convicted I say we sentance them to serve their time at Gitmo. I bet if the CIA had a chance to question them down there we would find out about much more than Valerie Plame (cough, cough- election fraud – cough, cough).

  • Hey MN Progressive…

    Both Ford and Bush’s father pardoned before trials had taken place…the precedent seems pretty well set.

  • ricardo,

    Nixon resigned and then was pardoned by Ford; Weinberger was on longer in office when Bush # I pardoned him.

    W. can’t pardon Rove, Libby et al without concrete resignations and a barring of any future consultation with the administration. The public would demand at least that. And many would still shout COVER-UP!

  • There may not be any indictments. As a
    Bloomberg.com
    article that John Dillinger linked to in an earlier post reminds us,

    Fitzgerald’s status differs in one potentially important respect from the independent counsels who investigated alleged wrongdoing during earlier administrations. They reported to a panel of appellate judges, while Fitzgerald reports to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who at least theoretically must approve any indictment

    If the Bush gang decides to play hardball they simply may have Gonzales preempt the indictments. This would not be without risks. There would certainly be public outrage should Fitzgerald or someone on his staff went public, but the only recourse would an investigation by the Rebublican in Congress.

    The criminalization of politics meme which the RNC and its lackies are now setting up might be the begins of a propaganda campaign intended diminish public outrage and to justify such a manuever to congressional Republicans.

    I’m not suggesting this is likely. I’m dreaming up scenarios to kill time until some actual hard fact emerge.

  • I think he’ll pardon, pre-empt the Plamegate storyline, and try to tough it out.

    It’s wartime.
    You can’t cripple the President by constraining his choice of advisors in wartime.
    Wartime.
    You can’t have a President handicapped by manufactured scandal in wartime.
    Wartime.
    Wartime.

    It’s never not worked for them — since 9/11 it’s worked every time.

    I don’t know if it will work this time, but I don’t expect them to try anything else.

  • ricardo, I imagine the only way Bush could be prevented form pardoning everyone would be if he himself were indicted. (Not sure about that, but guessing it’s probably so)

    Under that scenario, I anticipate they unveil the Nixon strategy – Bush & Cheny resign, and President Hastert pardons them all.

    So, take your pick:

    1) The Bush 41 strategy — pardon all the guilty parties below you, eliminating the possiblity of a trial which implicates yourself.

    or

    2) The Nixon strategy — resign so your replacement can pardon you.

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