GOP senators want Bush to follow torture law

Earlier this week, the administration explained that the president put his signature on a congressional measure banning torture, but Bush still believes he can ignore the law whenever he feels it’s necessary. Yesterday, three key senators who fought to pass the provision responded. Needless to say, they’re not happy.

John W. Warner Jr., a Virginia Republican who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican, issued a joint statement rejecting Bush’s assertion that he can waive the restrictions on the use of cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment against detainees to protect national security.

”We believe the president understands Congress’s intent in passing, by very large majorities, legislation governing the treatment of detainees,” the senators said. ”The Congress declined when asked by administration officials to include a presidential waiver of the restrictions included in our legislation. Our committee intends through strict oversight to monitor the administration’s implementation of the new law.”

Separately, the third primary sponsor of the detainee treatment law, Senator Lindsey O. Graham, Republican of South Carolina, told the Globe in a phone interview that he agreed with everything McCain and Warner said ”and would go a little bit further.”

”I do not believe that any political figure in the country has the ability to set aside any . . . law of armed conflict that we have adopted or treaties that we have ratified,” Graham said. ”If we go down that road, it will cause great problems for our troops in future conflicts because [nothing] is to prevent other nations’ leaders from doing the same.”

This sets the stage for a fight over power, if the senators follow through. As David Golove, a New York University law professor who specializes in executive power issues and has said some interesting things about this controversy, described the situation nicely.

”The president is pointing to his commander in chief power, claiming that it somehow gives him the power to dispense with the law when he’s conducting war,” Golove said. ”The senators are saying: ‘Wait a minute, we’ve gone over this. This is a law Congress has passed by very large margins, and you are compelled and bound to comply with it.’ “

The question is whether lawmakers will have the backbone to force Bush to follow the law. Impeachment proceedings would be a last resort, but Congress can take a variety of other steps to compel the president to adhere to the law, including withholding funds, issuing subpoenas, and passing stricter laws.

Warner, McCain, and Graham talked tough yesterday and I agreed with everything they said. But will they do their duty and follow through? Time will tell.

The Constitution of the United States does not contain the phrase “very large majority”. This is one of the reasons why you write a Constitution, so that everything does not come down to “my majority is bigger than your majority”. Majoritarian arguments ought not be used, as they are generally pointless and typically dishonestly applied.

  • Frank,

    While that’s true, Congress is still the body that passes laws in this country. Whether or not they are passed by “large margins,” the President is duty bound to uphold and enforce them.

  • My guess is that the large majority comment was a vieled threat that if there was not compliance Congress would take it upon themselves to address there issuse clearly and specifically and do so with a veto-proof majority.

    If Congress passed a specific law dealing with this and Bush vetoed it they could overturn it. If he still failed to comply it would be very clear he was behaving unlawfully and then the next logical step (frog-marching hom back to Texas) would be reasonable.

    At least they are talking tough even if I have reservations about their follow through. Either way any Republican in-fighting is a good thing and a little Congressional oversight would be a huge victory given the past 5 years.

  • Short of impeachment HOW would congress force Bush to comply with the law – on torture, on wiretaps, on anything? Does anyone seriously believe impeachment is possible?

    He’s an outlaw president, who controls ALL the federal law enforcment agencies and the military, as well as the leader of the majority party in Congress. Who’s gonna stop him or Cheney or Rove from doing anything they damn well please?

    With the Abramhoff thing boiling up, Bush could very well threaten to arrest anyone who tries to stop him, ’cause, by the way, it’s his Justice Department too, and his Attorney General.

  • bcinaz,
    Rove and Bush have an erosionists approach to thier evil plans. If a beach (or the Bill of Rights) is eroded one inch per year nobody notices and nobody cares. When a tsunami or hurricane (you pick your favorite) comes and wipes the beach off the map everyone takes notice. A flagrant powergrab or threat to Congress would not cause them (or the people) to roll over and give in. If he did that they would go after him. Remember that 99.99% of these public figures are proud and self-important. Even the blind followers will take issue with this kind of tactic. All it will take is a NYT article asking key members of Congress how it feels to be neutered and the game will be on.

  • MNProgressive,

    I appreciate what you are saying, but we are past the point of an intent to break the laws and treaties of the United States.

    Apparently, torture, rendition, secret prisons and wiretapping has been going on for years with absolutely no consequences.

    And now, Bush is about to get the one person who really approves of his lawbreaking onto the Supreme Court.

    Precedent can now be argued, he’s done it, Congress and the Courts didn’t stop him before, they can’t stop him now. The power grab isn’t in the future, it’s in the past.

    The Republic may be in more danger now than at any other time. A terrorist attack now would just be a distraction and justification for disolving our representative government and suspending elections.

    Game over.

  • “He’s an outlaw president, who controls ALL the federal law enforcment agencies and the military, as well as the leader of the majority party in Congress. Who’s gonna stop him or Cheney or Rove from doing anything they damn well please?”

    Actually, it would likely be those agencies and the military who would stop him by not following his orders. He is an outlaw president. And there have been some laws broken through serious and significant but non-physical intrusion. However, having many members of my family and extended family in more than a few of these agencies, and knowing that the vast majority of the employees in these agencies are for the most part nonpartisan civil servants and will not sell out their country and fellow countrymen like the members of the GOP currenly in the Congress have, I have faith that they would stand up to this if it ever got to that point.

  • Bubba…you’re probably correct that they would stand up, all else equal. What may change that viewpoint is the elaborate mind games that force people to do other than what one might expect. The Bush administration continues to employ a dual attack on the minds of Americans in the form of FEAR and SHAME, two basic human emotions that are relatively easy to manipulate. People can easily be frightened into doing something, and if that doesn’t work, then they usually can be shamed into doing it.

    Nonetheless, it’s clear that this President and his henchmen are using the ubiquitous “war on terror” to justify virtually anything that they want to do. And if people aren’t willing to go along because they’re afraid of the terrorists, then they’ll do everything to paint the dissenters as being sympathetic to the terrorists and being unAmerican.

    This President has, in effect, made himself King, and he will rule with unfettered power to do as he pleases, when he pleases, to whom he pleases, as much as he pleases, for as long as he pleases.

    This could shape up as a watershed period in our history as a nation and as a democracy.

    And, as a sidenote, isn’t it interesting how one of Dick Cheney’s “pet projects” long before 9/11 was to dramatically increase the power of the presidency? And now we’re seeing the plan in action. Dang it if he didn’t get lucky enough to be able to use 9/11 as a constant rallying cry for presidential power. What luck! What would he have done if those ruthless terrorists hadn’t attacked that fateful day? Hmmmmm. That’s a question we all should ponder for a while…

  • I’ll believe Congress will follow through on its resolve on this one when I see them follow through on that “Phase Two” investigation into Administration manipulation of WMD intelligence that (once again) has gotten lost in the shuffle.

  • I think Lyndsay Graham is getting his fill over Bush. He spoke forcefully against the NSA spying situation, and now this. He could be a big problem for Bush, he a former JAG.

  • Comments are closed.