Cheney believes tax cuts pay for themselves

In some conservative circles, the idea that tax cuts can pay for themselves through stronger economic growth is popular, despite having been discredited. Intellectually-honest Republicans will acknowledge that the idea is bizarre, and has even been rejected by the president’s own economic advisors. But that, of course, won’t stop Dick Cheney. Consider, for example, the VP’s ideas about government revenue, which he shared late last week at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Cheney touted President Bush’s recently announced proposal to create a tax analysis division as a move toward providing more evidence for the administration’s side of the argument.

“The president’s tax policies have strengthened the economy, as we knew they would,” Cheney told the conference, according to a text posted on the White House’s Web site. “And despite forecasts to the contrary, the tax cuts have translated into higher federal revenues.”

Cheney said some forecasters have underestimated the degree to which tax cuts would stimulate economic growth and tax revenue.

“It’s time to reexamine our assumptions and to consider using more dynamic analysis to measure the true impact of tax cuts on the American economy,” Cheney said, explaining why Bush has proposed the new Treasury Department division. “The evidence is in, it’s time for everyone to admit that sensible tax cuts increase economic growth and add to the federal treasury.”

To hear the vice president repeat such nonsense is disconcerting. The theory, in a nutshell, is that tax cuts can’t lead to deficits because they pay for themselves — tax cuts grow the economy, which leads to wealthier people, which leads to more tax receipts. Under this approach, we can cut taxes all we want and it won’t affect the deficit at all. (Bush publicly embraced a similar approach in April 2003.)

No wonder these guys have added a few trillion dollars to the debt over five years; they have no idea what they’re talking about.

First, Bush’s huge tax cuts are responsible for the largest budget deficits in American history. If Cheney were right, federal spending would be exclusively responsible for the annual budget shortfalls. This is demonstrably false.

Second, even the White House’s own budget projections don’t expect Bush’s tax cuts to pay for themselves through stronger growth. As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities explained, “To the contrary, the budget projects that under the President’s policies, federal revenues will grow at a slower annual rate between 2001 and 2008 than in any comparable period over the last five decades…. In addition, the budget projects that under Bush policies, the budget will be in deficit every year for the next 50 years.”

And third, economist N. Gregory Mankiw, Bush’s hand-picked chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, has for years argued against the idea that tax cuts can pay for themselves.

In Mankiw’s textbook, “Principles of Economics,” the economist said when the Reagan administration tried this approach in the 1980s, it was an example of “fad economics” and came after the administration relied on the advice of “charlatans and cranks.”

Unfortunately for all of us, the charlatans and cranks are back, and they haven’t learned from their mistakes.

… tax cuts do pay for themselves (meaning you recoup campaign contribution expenses… Big Time)
if your point of reference is Halliburton.

  • “The evidence is in, it’s time for everyone to admit that sensible tax cuts increase economic growth and add to the federal treasury.”

    Well, I think the VP has it right when he refers to “sensible tax cuts.” Problem is, we have not seen any of those, and those sensible tax cuts need to be buttressed with some sensible additional governement spending (preferably on infrastructure projects–which are being cut by this aadministration). Had the tax cuts primarily gone to the bottom 50% of the population (based upon income), there might be some merit to the argument as these folks would actually probably spend this money because they have to. But that clearly is not what happened and these funds are going to the very wealthy who don’t spend any more than they did before. That does not provide economic stimulous. And the tax cuts reaped by corporations have not been used to create jobs through additional investment and expanding facilities within the US–instead they have been used to shore up earnings per share numbers, allowing larger bonuses to be paid to executives, and paid out in dividends (again, disproportionately to the very wealthy), which provides no economic stimulous.

  • The Laffer Curve really does work. There is little doubt that tax revenue at a 0% tax rate and a 100% tax rate will produce little revenue. So, reducing the tax rate from 100% to 99% would increase revenue. What rate would produce the peak revenue? I guess Cheney thinks the peak revenue for income tax would be lower than current rates. I wonder how many legitimate economists agree with him.

    My gut tells me that a top rate of about 45% to 60% would achieve peak revenue.

  • I would think this “tax analysis division” Cheney wants to set up would be a propaganda organ (staffed by the usual political hacks) a la the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans, which could “cherry pick” financial data about the tax cuts, and feed them to the media, to justify BushCo’s version of reality. In other words, Cheney wants to institutionalize the ideology of tax cuts.

  • I’m no economist but a question seems to be stuck in my mind. Has anyone done an actual study as to what the people who benefited from these tax cuts did with the extra money. What did millionare ‘A’ spend the money on? And how did the money cycle through the economy from there? I just have a hunch that those that benefited didn’t bother to reinvest the money in the U.S. economy. I’m not defending the tax cuts, it just seems that this information would be helpful in putting the supply-side theory to rest.

  • Why don’t they practice what they preach, and apply their precious supply side economics, to their own businesses? From now on, they should refund all
    profits to their customers. On top of that, they should borrow an amount of money equivalent to 20% of their operating budget and give that to their
    customers. This will increase sales dramatically. They should not just do this for ten years, they should do it forever. That should really get the economy
    humming.

  • Unfortunately, Mr. Cheney will never get a chance to prove his point, because deficit spending also increases economic activity and thus helps boost federal revenues.

    Of course, he chooses to ignore this fact, and claim all the increased revenues as a by-product of his tax cuts.

    The simple fact is that we have systemic deficits for half a century, and we really should not be putting any other tax cuts in place that will make this worse.

    “Philosophical Question: Should the goal of the Federal Government be to maximize tax revenue?” — Addison

    The goal of tax policy should be to pay for all the Government services the tax payers demand. We don’t do that now. Cut spending and raise taxes until they balance and we are paying off our accumulated debt. Someday otherwise China will come calling. One of the causes of the Mexican-American war was the outstanding debt Mexico had with us.

    Imagine, once America was a creditor nation ;-(

  • And once again our “conservative” leaders propose adding another agency to our already bloated Federal government. Good thing they don’t believe in “big government”.

    I think JohnnyB is right on, we’re just looking at another propoganda machine. Look what they did to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

  • Didn’t somebody call this “Voo-Doo Economics” one time? Now who was that again? If revenue goes up when taxes go down, why not raise infinite revenue by dropping taxes to zero?

  • First, Cheney believes shotguns fire themselves, so his understanding of causal relationships may not be the best.

    Second, the Laffer Curve, as a general principle (like Neil Wilson above says), does make some sense, but the question I’ve *NEVER* seen anyone – Cheney, Bush, Arthur Laffer, etc. – answer is, what if we are *already* at a point on the curve where any decrease in tax rates will only *reduce* revenue? Nobody on the Right, AFAIK, has addressed that, because it would mean that taxes would have to be raised to increase revenue. I think it’s pretty obvious, like shooting fish in a barrel, or lawyers on a quail hunt, but maybe that’s just me.

  • George H.W. Bush (titular head of the Bush Crime Family since the death of Hitler’s banker, Prescott Bush) got it right. He called this so-called thinking, originally expressed by Ronald Reagan, “VOODOO economics”. Was then; still is.

  • If more tax cuts will foster growth in the economy, then why don’t we just get rid of taxes altogether? That really ought to help, right?

  • “If more tax cuts will foster growth in the economy, then why don’t we just get rid of taxes altogether? That really ought to help, right?” — Joseph

    I know you are being tongue in cheek, but the fact is that economics require some amout of Government if just to enforce payment for contracted services.

    Unless you want to live a life a loan sharks and their customers.

  • While many of you are deriding the Laffer Curve and saying we should get rid of taxes altogether, there is some basis to the analysis of raising revenue by cutting taxes and according to Laffer himself, it is an old theory.

    The Laffer Curve, by the way, was not invented by me. For example, Ibn Khaldun, a 14th century Muslim philosopher, wrote in his work The Muqaddimah: “It should be known that at the beginning of the dynasty, taxation yields a large revenue from small assessments. At the end of the dynasty, taxation yields a small revenue from large assessments.”

    I’ll try not to point out the irony of this administration basing their tax policy on Muslim ideology.

    The question everyone should be asking is this: Where are we on the curve? Neil Wilson (Comment #4) is dead on. Back in the 60’s and 70’s when the top tax rate was 70%, it would be reasonable to assume that a tax cut could provide increased revenue. But what about now? With top tax rates near 36%??? Would a tax cut actually generate more revenue or actually decrease it? It’s impossible to know for certain, since the actual revenues collected by a government depend on more than just the tax rate, but the current economic environment, current productivity levels, current unemployment levels, etc.

    My hunch is that we are either currently at t* (level of maximum tax rev collection) or somewhere to the left of it. Guess we’ll find out after all of the taxes get collected later this year.

    As for Cheney’s beliefs…well, I think he would like to destroy the gov’t all together, and since he can’t shoot it, he’ll starve it to death. So when you say “reduce the tax rate to zero”, be careful. You just might be agreeing with Cheney’s philosophy.

  • President Kennedy proved this in my lifetime. He cut taxes, stimulated the economy thus providing the funds for President Johnson’s “War on Poverty”. The above mentioned “VooDoo” tax cuts of President Regan (enacted despite a Democratic congress) doubled receipts to the treasury. I enjoy reading a thread where those posting do not allow the facts and history to get in the way.

  • bogie:

    There is never an easy line between tax policy and economic results.

    Did JFK tax cuts help the economy grow? probably.
    Did the tax cuts CAUSE the growth in the economy? maybe
    Were the tax cuts the CAUSE of the increased revenue? maybe

    Did Reagan’s tax cuts help the economy?
    How about the fact that the tax increase in 1982 was the BIGGEST increase in history? Did that tax INCREASE help the economy?

    Did Clinton’s tax increase help the economy?
    Did tax revenue increase after Clinton’s tax increases?

    How could higher taxes in the 90’s raise revenue and tax decreases in the 00’s also raise revenue?

    The Laffer curve can’t explain that last one

  • of course, the Reagan tax cuts also resulted in the largest deficits in history (at the time), which screwed Ronnie’s veep who then had to raise taxes to remove the drag on the economy. And guess what? Bush Sr.’s much-maligned tax increase helped the economy — exactly what Laffer said tax CUTS would do. Hmmm. Perhaps the “facts” (and the economic theory) aren’t so simple after all.

  • The tax cuts resulted in almost double the revenue by the time Pres Regan left office so the “largest deficits in history” were not the result of tax cuts but of increased spending.

  • So perhaps it was the increased spending that actually helped the economy and not the tax cuts.

    As I tried pointing out before, tax cuts don’t occur in a vaccuum. There are other variables that can affect the economy at the same time tax cuts are implemented. Just because taxes get cut, it doesn’t necessarily follow that the economy will grow. In fact, all the Laffer curve is saying is that if taxes are cut when the tax rate is above t*, then government revenues will increase. It doesn’t say anything about growing the economy at all.

    So bogie, I’m glad to see that you don’t let facts or history get in the way of your posts either.

  • bogie, by the way, you linked to the TEFRA of 1982. You may want to take a look at this article: http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_bartlett/bartlett200310290853.asp

    The only problem with this analysis is that it is historically inaccurate. Reagan may have resisted calls for tax increases, but he ultimately supported them. In 1982 alone, he signed into law not one but two major tax increases. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year and the Highway Revenue Act raised the gasoline tax by another $3.3 billion.

    So by your reasoning, the increase in taxes was actually the cause of raising revenues.

    Just for future reference Reagan cut taxes in 1981 (Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981). Then he raised them again in 1982 and 1984. The 1986 Tax Reform Act was seen as being revenue neutral.
    http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml

  • “bogie” has it right, and you all know it, even as you stubbornly protest. Some time take a quarter of an hour and talk to a horse-race handicapper about how horses’ performances are affected by added weight. Taxes, despite the whimperings of Robert Rubin, are dead weights on honest economic activity. For full employment and solid retirement nest-eggs, cut taxes to the bone, and the revolution will be nipped in the bud. Else, when the BOOMERS’ KIDS start drawing their non-existent Social Security, there will be blood in the streets to match the heads on PIKES! Heed the words of “bogie” now and save yourselves! STARVE THE FEDERAL BEAST!

  • Arguments like Cheney’s just show the intellectual bankruptcy of supply-side economics. After all, isn’t the whole point of cutting taxes to “starve the beast” and reduce the size of government? So doesn’t that mean that if they increase revenues, they have FAILED to do their job?

    Why don’t the Bushies just admit that they want to cut taxes to help their rich buddies, and will spin any rationale they can think of to justify their actions?

  • Please don’t feed the trolls. It is impossible to win a debate with a troll, because they throw logic, honesty, and civilty out the window. Feeding them only causes them to return more often and cause more trouble.

  • I think it is worth reminding bogie and waumpuscat what Analyitical Liberal wrote on 2/13/06 shortly after their arival here.

    One last thing: Your handle “Bogie” implies snipers with sneak attacks by the enemy. Why is it that we are no longer united as Americans, but instead you guys always seek to divide? It’s an “us vesus them” mentality, and winning is everything — even if it means that the country and our liberties are destroyed.

    If you want to lurk here, then you had better bring some intellectual honesty and relevance, too. Otherwise, you’re just more of the RightWingNoiseMachine, and will be royally flamed. This is a reality-based community, and we are protective of our ability to debate the ISSUES, and sometimes throw in a bit of partisanship and snark, too. You should be honest about all of the flaws and warts of BushCo and their cronyism, incompetence, and mendacity, and we will do the same about the rest of the problems in America and the world. Trust me, you will see LOTS of criticism of the Dems. On the other hand, if you choose to spout the “Bush is God/King” and the “Dems are evil incarnate” and the “media is liberal” lines, then you can just pack it up.

    You’ve been advised, and we hope you respond accordingly…

    And bogie, I stand by my analysis.

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