The reaction from Feingold’s colleagues

The past few days, in the wake of Sen. Russ Feingold introducing his censure resolution, we’ve all seen (and probably felt) some frustration. Here’s a Dem sticking his neck out to take on the president, on an issue in which the White House is quite clearly wrong, and the party is no where in sight. Worse, in many instances, Feingold’s Dem colleagues are literally running from the issue.

What’s going on? Is Feingold right when he says Dems are “cowering” in fear of the White House and prefer to “run and hide”? I thought I’d try and get the other side of the other story.

I’m not in DC anymore, but I still know some people who work on the Hill. Over the last 24 hours, I’ve asked several of them for some insights into what Dem offices think of the censure resolution and why so few have joined Feingold on this. There were five principal responses, which turned out to be more compelling than I expected.

First, a lot of Dems were bothered by the fact that Feingold took the party off-message. The DP World controversy was still reverberating, and congressional Dems had hoped to keep the momentum going this week with a vote on the “Sail Only if Scanned (S.O.S.) Act,” which requires more effective scanning techniques be implemented at our ports, and a bill that would expanding government scrutiny of foreign investments. Instead, both of these are getting less attention because of interest in Feingold’s resolution.

Second, there’s a sense that Feingold helped bring Republicans together. As of last week, the GOP’s fissures were showing and all the talk was about Republicans on the Hill exerting independence from the White House. Now, Feingold’s resolution has pushed the GOP back together again and Republicans are back on the offensive. Some Dems think the censure resolution basically helped the GOP get off the ropes.

Third, there was not even a hint of party strategy on this. The past couple of years, there’s been an effort to try and have Dems coordinate more on major political and policy initiatives. Coordinating Dems is like herding cats, but there’s been some progress of late. Feingold, however, decided to go his own way; he announced his resolution without even letting his colleagues know it was coming and with no real regard for what it would do for the party’s short-term agenda. Some see this as a slap in the face — if Feingold wanted party support, they said, he should have worked within the party. Instead, Feingold took the lead, and no one followed.

Fourth, Dems saw that Bush was starting another series of Iraq speeches, and the party was ready to pivot from ports to the war. Roll Call noted today that Dems want to “play offense on Iraq.” Yesterday, however, whenever a Dem senator tried to talk about the war, reporters just asked about Feingold.

And fifth, one Senate staffer in particular said if Feingold wanted to push warrantless searches again, there were (and are) effective alternatives to a censure resolution. The staffer told me:

“Rather than just rush to a vote, which would be stupid, we want to get Specter to hold a hearing on it in Judiciary where it has been referred. Imagine a hearing with a panel of experts discussing whether Bush’s behavior deserves censure. Wouldn’t that be much better as a first step then a rushed vote in which we lose and R’s declare victory and say we were silly?”

Just to be clear, I support Feingold’s resolution. On the substance, I’d like to see senators vote for it. But after talking with some Hill staffers, I’m a little less ready to embrace the Dems-cravenly-abandon-Feingold idea than I was before.

Sorry, this doesn’t wash for me.

This was a CLEAR violation of the constitution, we will probably not see another one that is so easily understood by Joe Sixpack. The Bush defense has been to LIE about what they did, and to lie about what the Democrats (and MANY Republicans) are saying.

If the Democrats don’t see any advantage to going after Bush when he openly admits violating the law, then they should resign en masse.

Maybe Russ should have coordinated better with them, but it looks like that wouldn’t have done any good. As it is, he’s planting seeds for 2008, which is fine with me. We need some new crops, badly.

  • Yeah, from reading about Feingold in a Washington Post article last night, I get the sense that he is a guy who makes mis-steps and is not playing with the team.

    That’s one reason why I think John Conyers’ effort is something along the same lines that’s better to focus on.

    That said, from moves he makes, it certainly seems like maybe Feingold’s heart is in the right place. It’s good that he’s trying to get people to take a harder stance; censure over the FISA controversy wasn’t necessarily the best way to try to do it, but still something of that magnitude is in order.

    Keep it going. Visit the Conyers website. Keep people focused on all the administration indictments, the Abramoff indictment and on the possibility that Bush is going to have to be investigated someday. That would be my advice to the Dem activists + Dems on the hill.

  • As the Republicans will always close ranks to back Bush, I see no reason why Democrats should not highlight the contrast between the two parties now, rather than allow matters to be quietly buried in subcommittee. The Dubai ports flap has had its day also, and losing a day or two of the news cycle on it doesn’t really matter now. Bush is in fact unpopular, no one thinks the White House did the right thing regarding the massive NSA surveillance of U.S. citizens communications in the U.S., and if now is not the time to fight about this and many other things, when is it? At some point, Democrats really do have to show some courage, rather than more profiles in triangulation.

  • All these excuses why Democrats aren’t falling over themselves to co-sponsor this motion is their usual spineless equivocating. Feingold’s censure should not be a political gesture. It is an opportunity to stand against the ongoing subversion of the Constitution. George Bush has violated the law (actually many laws). He has said that he has violated the law, and he has dared Congress to do something about it. To this point, Congress has obsequiously declined Bush’s challenge.

    Now Feingold at least is trying to administer a hand slap and no Dems have the guts to sign on. The light of liberty dims a little more each passing day.

  • I don’t buy any of those pathetic excuses. The Dems
    are a total waste but for a few like Feingold, Murtha
    and Conyers. And, of course, Al Gore. There is
    so simply no explanation for the Democrats complete
    lack of opposition to the worst presidency in history,
    and for their failure to provide leadership in getting
    us out of this black hole from hell that Bush pushed
    us into. None. Other than cowardice or incompetence.
    Or is it that they’re really in bed with the Republicans,
    who’ve sold our nation’s soul to corporate America?

  • Tactically, Democratic distancing from Feingold’s Resolution is undoubtably sound. Which is exactly why the Democratic Party is headed for extinction. (It will again lose in 2008 even if the Republicans nominate a defective lava lamp.)

    Feingold’s Resolution doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of passing, but in my opinion, the Democrats should have dropped every single little pissant poke at the president and put everything on the line regarding the domestic spying travesty. Everything!

    That issue is the single clearest violation of the Consitution and Bush’s Oath of Office. It says it all about Bush and the Republicans.

    My hat’s off to Feingold for at least having substance and guts while his fellow Democrats continue their prolonged whine.

  • Alibubba, my thoughts exactly! What’s the alternative? The Intell committee dropped thier investigation and didn’t even get Ashcroft in to testify. Instead they allow the WH to broker a compromise for a subcommittee that changes nothing.
    This is the single issue where they have the evidence, the judicial history and the support of many in judicial circles to indict Bush for breaking the law and repeatedly lying about it.

  • Certainly Bush deserves to be censured and probably impeached. But the numbers say it aint’ gonna happen regardless of what Dems do and it’s going to stay that way until they win enough elections to retake majorities in Congress. Taking stands on idealistic — but unrealistic — motions like this won’t win elections and play into the hands of those who say Dems are out of touch and will do anything to get Bush .

    The Republicans pose a much greater obstacle than most Dems realize — it took them a long time to get where they are and strict party discipline to do it. The Dems need to do some strategic thinking about who they are and then push that to the exclusion of all else, without getting sidetracked on issues that won’t float. Most Americans don’t know what Dems stand for. Beating on Bush is not enough, although it is easier and a lot more fun than coming up with a real strategy to win.

  • As much as I support the idea of not giving BushCo any leverage, I have to ask the “If not now, when?” question.

    The Dems have been playing possum for years now. To say that they want Specter to hold a hearing is to ignore the entire span of recent history where the Republican majority has rejected every Democratic call for a hearing on every topic. What possible reason do they have to think that Specter would change now?

    And what good would it do even if a hearing did take place? It would still have a Republican majority which would automatically ensure that nothing would ever come of it.

    A blind man with a cane could see numerous ways to tie in every issue of importance to Feingold’s resolution, snowballing the assault on the White House until they were spinning so fast even they would lose track of the conversation. If the resolution got reporters talking, run with it, expand on it, don’t waste the opportunity by running away from it.

    As for Feingold helping get the Republicans off the ropes, I say phooey. They’re on the ropes because of what they’ve done, or allowed Bush to do, and they won’t get off just because Feingold has finally had the spine to stand up and speak the truth at last.

    And since nothing will change in Iraq or anywhere else except to get worse, they’re still going to be in a bad way tomorrow, next week and next year until we finally get a change of government.

    What Feingold did is scary because it was bold and unexpected, not because it was wrong. And the responses I’ve seen and heard to date reflect only fear and uncertainty on the part of the speakers, which does not make them right.

    If any real change is going to take place in this country, it will be because of actions like Feingold’s, and I salute him for it.

  • Just a bit of grandstanding by Feingold, a common problem with the Dems.
    Did it help the Repugs? Nope, see the previous post about a possible shakeup in the Bushie administration.
    Did it hurt the Dems? Nope, the port issue is staying in the news because people are really concerned. It’s a serious issue, not just a bit of racism as some have tried to argue.

  • Harkin, from the great and soon to be once-again Blue state of Iowa has now co-sponsored with Feingold.

  • Carpetbagger, you are the bomb. I’ve been scouring the internet and found so much repetitive ranting (all of which I agree with) and no new insight on this. Thanks for making some phone calls and finding something new to say. If only Shailagh Murray at WaPo had done the same.

    So I just posted a link to Carpetbagger in a comment on DailyKos.

    I just got back from two months in Portugal, where my only internet access was at expensive cybercafes, and I had to reduce my internet surfing a great deal. I found the fastest and easiest way to keep up with the most interesting breaking stories was just to check Carpetbagger. Thanks for doing such a great job.

  • Feingold should do this. I’m sorry if it makes the Democrats unhappy or if it is tactically unsound. Bush violated the law, the constitution and lied before the election. He needs to be told that he was wrong, even if it won’t penetrate his alcohol and cocaine destroyed neurons.

  • I’m not buying it either.

    First, it was a long shot that the Dems would get ANY publicity over port security and the DPW fiasco. I get the sense that story no longer has legs with the media. And can Democrats not press the Republicans on more than one front at a time?

    Second, of course the Republicans were going to rally to the President’s defense. And all the talk about Republicans bucking the President was B.S. anyway. It’s not like they’d vote to censure the President three weeks from now.

    Third, Democratic strategy? That’s an oxymoron. Democrats have no apparent strategy. Compare this to John Murtha’s move to start withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq. Fellow Democrats threw him under the train, and then promised to come up with a strategy for the Iraq war. We’re still waiting.

    It’s unfortunate Feingold isn’t a team player. But damn it, someone in the Democratic Party has to take the lead!

    Fourth, what do Democratic Senators and Representatives have to add in the debate over the Iraq War. We already know it’s a miserable failure and that the country is headed toward civil war. Anything else?

    Fifth, to me, this quote just exemplifies how screwed up the Democrats are:

    “Rather than just rush to a vote, which would be stupid, we want to get Specter to hold a hearing on it in Judiciary where it has been referred. Imagine a hearing with a panel of experts discussing whether Bush’s behavior deserves censure. Wouldn’t that be much better as a first step then a rushed vote in which we lose and R’s declare victory and say we were silly?”

    You mean the Judiciary Committee that refused to swear in Attorney General Alberto Gonzales? The strategy to work within the system of committee hearings over NSA wiretaps has failed miserably. The Intelligence Committee voted along strict partisan lines not to investigate legal misdeeds by Bush, despite hopes a “moderate” would cross over. Are Democrats hoping it’ll work this time? There’s nothing in Specter’s recent history to suggest he’s going to play fair.

    Republicans have stacked the deck in their favor. They’re not interested in sharing power or conducting govermental oversight. Republicans are only interested in retaining power by any means necessary. You can’t work with them. I don’t know why establishment Democrats struggle with this. It’s so f***ing obvious.

    So … instead Democrats tear each other to pieces and look “silly.”

    Feingold’s resolution was probably unexpected and uncoordinated. Presidential aspirations no doubt also play a large part in the backbiting from his colleagues. But at the very least Feingold is making an attempt to oppose Bush and the Republicans. I can’t say the same for the Democratic Party.

  • This is a yes-and question, not an either-or. Those may be nice explanations, but they do not help Democrats who Feingold is intentionally putting on the spot. That point should be made, because that’s what I got from his Sunday interview. This was intended to put every Senator on the spot, and on the record about Bush’s crimes. This illegal wiretapping, as polls show, is very unpopular with Americans and Bill Frist walked right Feingold’s trap by saying “Let’s have this debate and vote on it now,” when, as far as I am aware, he could have shoved it under the table and never even put it on the agenda. Democrats could have jumped on the opening Frist gave them, if they were coordinated and disciplined. This resolution is a winner for the Democrats if they are capable of getting their act together and show some goddamn backbone.

    And the explanations you’ve provided, while somewhat insightful, CB, they don’t mitigate the fact that this is exactly what Democrats are doing in reaction to Feingold – they are cravenly running and hiding from a weak President on an unpopular issue. Shame, shame SHAME on them.

  • The only reason this has brought the Republicans together is because the Democrats didn’t come together. Surely Feingold does not bear the principal blame for that.

    Assuming it is true that Feingold didn’t run this by the leadership, my first thought is “99-1”. In case you don’t remember that was the vote tally on the original Patriot Act, and Feingold was the “1”. Trying to line up Democratic support for a matter of principle that requires an ounce of courage is probalby best sprung on them unexpectedly, so they don’t have a chance to undermine it before it even gets off the ground.

    The Democrats have been dodging the NSA scandal. The intelligence committee just buried it, and all we got out of the Dems were some conciliatory to Republicans statements out of Rockefeller and Feinstein. We are one Republican lap dog (Specter) away from this scandal being taking out of the congress entirely. What kind of morons think the appropriate thing to do at this point is wait for the judiciary committee hearings? I think it was necessary to get the censure resolution on the table before the judiciary committee could bury the NSA scandal.

    And the Democrats couldn’t go for the NSA resolution now because they’re trying to milk the Dubai Ports scandal? Give me a break. Dubai Ports is a minor example of Bush incompetence and arrogance. The NSA scandal goes to the heart of what our democracy is all about.

    I think it is fine if they want to milk the Ports deal for all the political advantage they can get out of it. But make no mistake, Dubai Ports is playing politics, while attacking Bush on lawbreaking is defending the constitution. They aren’t on the same plane.

  • I agree! Carpetbagger is the bomb! If these whimpy Democrats would stop strategizing and start being outraged, they might be surprised at the results. I’m with the “If not now, then when?” group. Bravo for Harkin! Where’s Boxer? Where’s Feinstein and Reid? How about Ted Kennedy? And John kerry? Where is he? Howard dean? Do you feel like screaming? I do.

  • I’m sympathetic in one sense: The Democrats obviously decided sometime last year that their future lay in imposing a sense of party discipline comparable to the Republicans’, allowing them to highlight differences between the parties and block things like the Social Security privatization scheme. They don’t like anything that splits them apart, the way a vote on the Feingold censure resolution would split them. It would be great if they could get all 44 Senators to vote for the resolution, but they can’t. And in the absence of that, the story will be “Democrats in Disarray.”

    Also, the staffer quoted is quite right that referring the resolution to Judiciary is the best thing at this time — but that’s what Feingold wanted anyway; he says he didn’t want an immediate vote. Frist tried to force an instant vote, at a time when most Senators hadn’t even read the thing, as sort of a Sean Hannity vote (“Do you favor censure? YES OR NO?”). But shouldn’t Feingold have figured out a way to avoid that moment and get the bill referred to committee where he wanted it to go anyway?

    Look, I have my problems with the Democrats on this, and I think some of their talking points are silly (how does it make the GOP look good if they are rallying round their ridiculously unpopular President?). But the split between them and Feingold is clear: they’re trying to play strategy, he’s trying to do what’s right whether it’s good strategy or not. Conflict is inevitable.

    Oh, and as to whether this will hurt the Democrats and help the GOP, weren’t we hearing a month+ ago that Kerry’s failed Alito filibuster would sink the Democrats and help Bush and the GOP’s poll numbers? How’d that go? Feingold is getting the same wailing and gnashing of teeth that Kerry got, and the net result will be nothing more than a few snarky Dana Milbank articles.

  • Good digging job CB. Hadn’t really considered this. I don’t find the reasons as lame as some of the other commenters. I don’t see any reason why Senator Feingold couldn’t get a team behind this before announcing the censure resolution.

    However, I think the Senator is right, and if the Dems weren’t ready to support it for nuanced reasons, they should say so, e.g. “I believe the warrantless spying is illegal. I’m not certain if a censure resolution is the best way to pursue the problem at this time, but I’ll be speaking with Senator Feingold about it.”

    Let us also remember that most of our esteemed Dems cowered from Jack Murtha’s suggestion as well… this tide can turn.

  • Look. The Repugs control the Congress…Censure is going nowhere. Let’s focus on ISSUES that resonate with the American people.

    Ports, Security, Iraq, and fiscal irresponsibility. Period.

  • Let’s focus on ISSUES that resonate with the American people.

    Ports, Security, Iraq, and fiscal irresponsibility. Period.

    And the president breaking the law? Isn’t that an issue that resonates with the American people? It sure resonates with me.

  • Shargash is absolutely right:

    The only reason this has brought the Republicans together is because the Democrats didn’t come together.

    If the Democrats can’t come together on this, what can they unite on? Thank you Carpetbagger for doing the digging and coming up with those five points. Unfortunately, nobody outside of the beltway is buying them.

  • Who are the “behind the scenes” Democrat Senators (Or is Chairman Howard Dean involved?) preventing a vote on Senator Feingold’s Draft Resolution? This Democrat Party has incorporated into its stated name the idea that controversies are decided by MAJORITY VOTE. So why has not the United States Senate scheduled a vote? Are there some BOSSES in the background (behind the scenes) denying Senators of these United States the VOTE? Do we have a Party of the People only pretending to be a democratic party, while this imbroglio unmasks BOSSES lurking in the background? Senate Majority Leader Frist wants to schedule a VOTE on Senator Feinfold’s Draft Resolution. Democrats: E-Mail your Democrat Senators and demand a VOTE! Your Party owes you no less.Some observers may construe your silence as apathy. Demand your RIGHTS! Suffrage in silence is no true Suffrage!

  • Gridlock: Agreed!

    There are many issues that the Dems could pursue that would resonate with the American people — and win votes. The best issues are those that the public is already on board with or can understand through their own experience. Soaring gasoline and home heating prices while Big Oil reaps record profits. Health care costs that bust household, state, and Federal budgets while the pharms sell cheaper overseas, can’t be negotiated with on price, and spend more on advertising than on research. Conservation — a large majority of the public already thinks we’re going to run out of oil, so come out with a real energy plan that reduces dependence (not a bad security issue, either). Farm subsidies for agribusiness accompanied by higher interest student loans. The opportunities are almost endless.

  • Forgive me if I sound naive but, why the hell can’t all the issues with regards to Bush and the Repubs be brought forth at the same time?

    Is it a fear of things getting lost? Consider this:

    Feingold is addressing unlawful NSA spying.

    Other Dems bring forth the following issues, taking the fight to the Repubs:
    – Lobbyist and Congressional Corruption
    – Bungling of White House appointees with regards to Katrina, etc.
    – Further failure in Iraq
    – The Dubai port deal and national security
    – The gorging record profits being raked in by oil and gas companies
    – Etc., etc. etc.

    Is there not enough Dems who can carry the banner on each of these issues all at the same time? These issues are all worthy of their own, very loud, examination. Further, taken all at once, these things are all systemic of a failing and corrupt administration in particular and the Republican party in general.

    Let’s see them try to spin all of these things, all at the same time. One is connected with the other in most of these things.

    But…once again, we have the Democrats playing it cagy and biding their time to make their “big” move. It’s in the interests of the Repubs to keep these issues separate and unrealated.

    Attack for C-sake! Do a Tyson on them…overwhelm them by bringing their utter failure to the fore all at once, repeatedly. Add it all up, over and over again. If some of them try to spin one or two things, there is another failure to point to. Run them lean.

    And this is not some political ploy….it’s what should be done ANYWAY!

  • Bush’s approval ratings are in the toilet. Feingold noted this himself. So when is the time to walk the walk? Are the other Dems going to wait to join Russ (and Harkin) until Bush hits 15 percent? Or perhaps until Bill Frist denounces the President?

  • Gracious

    And the president breaking the law? Isn’t that an issue that resonates with the American people? It sure resonates with me.

    Absolutely. And keep repeating it. But introducing a censure that will be voted down by the Repug majority serves no purpose.

    But yes, let’s keep talking about how the Prez and his Rethug cohorts in Congress have no respect for the rule of law and how the NSA wiretap scandal isn’t about spying, it’s about following the law!! Absolutely!!

    And #1, how the Repug controlled Congress has abdicated their responsibilities of oversight!!! That should be #1.

  • So when is the time to walk the walk? Are the other Dems going to wait to join Russ (and Harkin) until Bush hits 15 percent?

    How about Nov. 2006?? When the Dems take back control of the House and they have the power to investigate the GOP scandals.

  • Gridlock:
    “But introducing a censure that will be voted down by the Repug majority serves no purpose.”

    I think I disagree. If we are going to save our republic, we have to keep fighting, even if we lose. We cannot go gentle on something this important. Yes they have the majority, but there is an election comming very soon. The American people are paying attention, and it’s time to speak truth to power. The only way this issue is going away is if the Dems drop the ball and let it.

  • What the Dems need to do is to change their mindset. The proverbial cat is out of the proverbial bag. All sniping can be done away from the cameras but the question should be, how can they take advantage of the situation. They are just too flat footed!

  • Gridlock:
    “How about Nov. 2006?? When the Dems take back control of the House and they have the power to investigate the GOP scandals.”

    I don’t mean to pick on you because I mostly agree with you, but It is not the Repugs or the Dems who have the power, it is the people. Has not the recent port scandal proved that? We need the same level of outrage over the wiretapping as we have over the port deal. It was not either party that killed the deal, it was the people. We don’t have to wait for a more favorable time, now is the time. If we wring our hands and wait till later, and the Dems don’t win back the congress, how stupid are we? The only chance we have of winning in November is to fight.

  • I know it’s a good thing to critically examine what our elected Dems do, but I just want to remind everybody that we should try not to turn into a Dem-bashing club.

    The Dems are not any more perfect than anyone else is. Most of them are probably operating in good faith and from what their perception of the situation is from their perception. If they’re coming up a little short sometimes, then we still have to be able to trumpet the Dem name and offer liberal politics as something for the American people to want. For better or worse, they associate liberalism with the Dem name.

    If the Dems on the hill take a stance that’s too soft or wishy-washy, we really have to step in and fill in the blank, so that people can see our grassroots position as the Dem position, associate something positive with it, an want to work for it.

    Also I find it odd that a lot of you are ignoring John Conyers’ project which I mentioned.

    The bottom line is that Feingold may not have perfect footing here, and he may not have something perfectly effective going on, but we’ve got to try to characterize the move and compensate for its weaknesses the best we can. We’ve always got to accept the reality we’ve been dealt and do the best we can with it, not just sit around being the circular firing squad ad infinitum.

    Keep holding the pres accountable.
    http://johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=SUPERFORMS&SEC=

    Let’s stay very focused & very realistic & practical.

  • “But introducing a censure that will be voted down by the Repug majority serves no purpose.”

    Gridlock,

    (A lot of Gs here.) Glenn Greenwald, to support Gracious’ point, has something important to say.

    “People like (Washington Monthly writer) Kevin (Drum) — who believe that Democrats must “prove” to the country that they can be strong — should most understand the value in having Democrats take a stand regardless of whether they ultimately prevail. Strong and resolute people fight. Weak and spineless people run away from fights — or fight only when their victory is guaranteed in advance. The Democrats have been running away from fights for five years now based on the Kevin Drum theory that fights are only worth fighting if you know in advance that you will win. It is beyond irrational to think that the Democrats are going to look strong by simply crawling away meekly and allowing George Bush to break the law.”

    I highly recommend reading the whole post behind the link, it’s very informative and clears a lot of the myths behind any excuse to NOT support Feingold’s resolution.

    Whether or not the resolution has a snowball’s chance in hell, it should be supported by every single Democrat. Period. Otherwise, they don’t deserve their positions and may as well concede the whole country to the Republicans. Oops, they already did that.

  • If you’re really upset with Dems, then write to them and let them know. Or write to a newspaper or a TV program about it. Do something about it.

    If you really think that they are wary of finding themselves on “the wrong side” of this issue, then tell them that you’d like them to start calling for an investigation of how the president has handled something else besides FISA.

  • I’m with Rian in urging everyone to sign Conyer’s petition.

    I have one line of thinking, that’s probably overly simplistic, in support of Feingold’s call for censuring the President. When those that are sworn to uphold the law break the law, then there is no law. Bush has broken the law, repeatedly, and violated his oath of office. Conversely, I think that Feingold is doing his Constitutional duty. Whether he is doing this for the right reason, or his timing is correct seems to be a side issue.

    There is nothing about this issue that is partisan, the President of this country has broken the law.

  • Democrats require BOSSES to tell them what must be done. Else, they cower in some ill-lighted corner and whine. Has former President Clinton deserted them again? The Democrats could ask him to insert some spine into their Body Politic. Perhaps Mr. Clinton could lend them his limp leather BIBLE that served him so well during that time the Republicans framed him along with that sweet, chubby girl guide intern. Jamie Gorelick could instruct these Democrat Senators in the legality of laws, which seems to escape these legislators. Will the Democrat Senators’ names~~ those whom President BUSH briefed about the NSA Electronic Intelligence Acquisition Project~~ be annexed to the President’s name list or appended as an unread addendum to Senator Feingold’s Draft Resolution? They are at least co-conspirators. Are they fit to sit in the Senate? So much thought has gone into this inept lynching! I suggest that the Democrats petition the President to issue, a la Carter, a blanket pardon to everyone even remotely connected to this controversy, including the Democrat Senators briefed on the matters afflicting the Democrat Senators presently contorted in their strange ethical twistings on Capitol Hill. Then we could put the entire matter behind us and get on with analyzing the NSA product of the electronic sweepings.

  • Attack. Attack. Attack.

    Do you think the republicans were able to get a certifiable screwball elected to the presidency by playing good defense?

  • Steven, your friends, or their bosses, or all of them, are wusses. If they won’t stand for the rule of law, against an unpopular opponent, and stand for their own party, why the fuck should anyone trust them to stand up for their constituents? Your friends, or their bosses, or all of them, are wusses.

    Bush, Rove, and the Republicans have known it for years.

    Now the rest of us are sure, too.

  • I see this as defense, actually. The president authorized wiretapping without following the law. Why did he do that? Probably to avoid having to satisfy the safeguards of the law. And that, probably because there was something not on the up-and-up about the surveillance.

    It’s not just about breaking the law. This isn’t about breaking the law to satisfy some greater good. This isn’t Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi, here. This isn’t a needless technicality that Bush ignored.

    We all need to stand up to make sure the right-wing fanatics don’t throw our nation’s future down the gutter. They’ll rush to do it if we don’t stand in the way.

    The cops can catch as many criminals as they want, and they will. But they just have to do it without giving Bush the keys to the castle. The safety of the country is not what his priority is. He’s part of the game and all the Rush Limbaugh fatcats care about is grabbing power and keeping it.

  • If they are as clever as purported, the Democrat Senators can keep this so-called ethical conflict alive and in the headlines until November. I say: GO FOR IT!

  • Exactly because the Repubs would squash a call for any investigation into administration blunders and illegalities is the reason the Dems should showcase the point.
    There is no effective check on power with one party rule.
    Our system of government suddently does not work in the year 2006.
    We need an overhaul of the electoral college, campaign finance reform, elections, large business regulations, taxes, education, and on and on.

    But who can bring this needed change?
    Democrats are falling in my personal estimation to the point that the only thing they have going for them is that they are not Bush. If there was an inspirational alternative, I’d drop them in a heartbeat. They are contemptable.

  • Anyone following this issue knows that Bush has flagrantly violated FISA. This is no different than Reagan violating the law and funding the Contras. Censure is the minimum that Congress should be doing, unless they are OK for the President (and any future President) simplying ignoring their laws whenever the President feels like it. If Senators don’t see that (including the Republican ones), there is really no reason for them to exist, as they will have ceded all power to the executive branch. Feingold understands this and should be supported by all of the Democrats, as well as the supposed moderate Reblicans (Chafee, Snowe, Collins, Spectre, even others like Voinovich, etc.).

  • The problem here is that the Dems dont know how to play the game they need to play. While they should be getting their team on the same page, and acting in concert, when they do, they manage to rally around a pussy message. So, Feingold, probably just told fed up with this stupid rallying, goes it his own. The problem is, this backfires completely, because the dem party doesnt rally around it, and the move fires up the republicans who DO rally, and put out a very powerful (albeit pathetic and totally disingenous and hypocritical) argument, like the party of death thing. They know there base is a bunch of simpletons, so they make a simple to understand, even if totaly offbase, attack, that really resonates, even if its logically full of holes. That doesnt matter to a base that doesnt care about facts. They get ideas in their heads, and their party finds a way to make slogans, slurs, and propaganda which connects the party with the gut of the voter. The dems have no idea how to do this, and that is, in essence, why they will lose handily in November, despite all the reasons they should not. How sad.

  • I disagree with those that feel it was “grandstanding.” I think Curmudgeon hit it right on. I’m very disappointed in the Democratic reaction to this on the Hill. By now there are two more senators that have signed on, Boxer and Harkin. Perhaps the unbelievable reaction on the left may have influenced this change of heart?

  • I wish I had seen this earlier. I’m proud of CB for tracking down those other interpretations, which is what the damned major news outlets should have done instead having their hair done or spending three hours over a boozey lunch.

    I also agree with almost everyone here that, all those excuses aside, the Democrats ought get their names behind Feingold immediately.

    Leave the niceties, the curtsies, the managed issues to the majority party. We are the OPPOSITION party. We can’t afford to triangulate, to organize our efforts around a single issue (which the news outlets may overlook anyway). We have to let loose with everything we’ve got all the time. Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. You never know what the media bottom-feeders will pick up. None, one, two, maybe three of our issues. It all depends how many murders and fires the networks/cables have to cover between ads. On a slow news day we might score big.

    But the main reason we should get behind Feingold (and I’ve written my senators, for all the good it’ll do) is because he’s right. Bush did break the FISA law. He did it knowingly and brazenly, for all to see. He admitted it. God, if you can’t get behind a censure on that, you have no business being in public life anyway.

  • If the Democrats can only handle and manage one issue at a time and that is their defense against supporting Feingold, then that is a sorry admission. The Republicans are busy appointing anti-intellectual religious hacks, rewriting laws, not investigating any crime, issuing signing statements and generally running all over Democrats because they won’t concentrate and call the Republicans on every thing they do. Censure is just another major issue, like breaking the law and ignoring our Constitution. If you don’t introduce the censure motion, then you don’t recognize or take responsibility as one of our representatives.

  • Like anyone has ever heard of Sailed Only If Scanned. Making good headway? This has been on NO ONE’S radar. No print coverage, no blog coverage. And Feingold took attention away from it? That’s quite an accomplishment!

  • Pity the Senate Dems. They have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to the examples of extreme malfeasance, incompetence, and law-breaking by their opponents but they do not know how to go on the offensive on more than one pet issue at a time. I think that “If not now, then when?” is a perfect question that every one of them should be asked daily – as many times and by as many people as possible. Many excellent posts here. But, I thank David W for the important reminder that Bush admitted to breaking the law and then defied Congress to do something about it. None of the the excuses reported by the excellent CB has the weight to overcome that.

  • The thing about criticizing the Dems is that it can have pluses and minuses. If you’re trying to get them to swing a little harder left, then if they hear enough criticism to that effect, then maybe they will follow suit. But it has to be enough.

    What could the negatives be? If the left blogs regularly carry these whirl-winds of criticism against the Dems, it could demoralize activists and make them less likely to pull for the Dems when they really need it. They could just feel fed up.

    It would really be a lot better if the Dem activists always felt fired up and energized to work. I know the Dems aren’t perfect, but they’re what we’ve got.

  • “What could the negatives be? If the left blogs regularly carry these whirl-winds of criticism against the Dems, it could demoralize activists and make them less likely to pull for the Dems when they really need it. They could just feel fed up.

    It would really be a lot better if the Dem activists always felt fired up and energized to work. I know the Dems aren’t perfect, but they’re what we’ve got.”

    Uh, Swan? No offense but that sounds an awful lot like the “Criticizing the president only emboldens our enemies and hurts our troops” nonsense we hear from Republicans. It’s just not going to work.

    I think the activists know full well how lousy the Democrats have been performing. They, no doubt, have a better handle on the perceptions of the Dems and their chances in November.. If they’re demoralized, it’s the Democrats fault not the left-wing blogs or the comments here.

  • More fuel for the fire.

    I don’t know if anybody has heard the news that Henry Waxman has said Bush signed a budget reconciliation bill that hadn’t been passed by both houses of Congress. The article can be read over at RawStory Congressman writes White House: Did President knowingly sign law that didn’t pass?. It’s also posted over at DailyKos in the recommended diaries.

    It seems that Bush views his political capital the same way that he looks at our federal budget, like a bottomless well. This whole Republican mess gets more unreal by the day.

  • The reason I think Feingold is right and the rest are wrong is based on a fundamental advertising principle: the Heinz 57 approach. The Heinz 57 approach is pushing a laundry list of promises, features and benefits. The result is as disappated as Cheney’s shotgun blast. No one can get a fix on so many points. They are just confusding clutter.

    The Feingold Resolution will never be passed, but there are a hell of a lot of Americans who wish it would be, and the numbers are growing. I continue to maintain that Democrats HAVE to draw the line somewhere. And where better than on a flagrant violation of the Constitiution? The Constitution is not not a partisan issue. If it is, as I’ve said before here, we’re just doomed.

    The Republicans survive and prosper on fear. It’s time the Democrats “out-fear” the bastards on issues that matter.

  • First, a lot of Dems were bothered by the fact that Feingold took the party off-message.

    – Mr. CB

    Forgive me if I sound naive but, why the hell can’t all the issues with regards to Bush and the Repubs be brought forth at the same time?

    Comment by SeaSailGuy

    I guess SSG’s reaction mirrored mine. I listened to most of Ed Schultz’ show today on Air America and it was non-stop desperation and appreciation amongst a steady stream of callers to hear somebody say B.S. to Shruby and his band of immoral brothers and sisters.

    I don’t see one issue at a time doing us much good. RepubCo saw the difficulty of the Dems to focus on even one thing at a time as a huge plus for themselves and boy have they made hay with it. We’re always wringing our hands over last weeks abominable insult(s) and malfeasance while this week brings a new crop of cronies, f’ups and crimes. If we keep wanting to chew gum this week so we can prepare for walking next week and then attempting to chew gum again when we get back on the same page, then we’re just going to stay screwed.

    Whatever else Senator Feingold may accomplish with all this, he has given an exploratory voice to a deep reservoir of frustration and anger lying not too far below the surface. Folks don’t know how to get behind elite Dem triangulating. But a clear, angry voice they can relate to. Somebody needs to get mad as hell and not take it anymore.

    A nice overview of the issue Mr. CB. With a most stimulating thread to boot!

  • Grow a pair.

    It’s not a matter of the censure front and nothing else. We can play offense on all fronts. What the hell is the matter with you people?

    You do realize, don’t you, that Bush is still wiretapping citizens, in addition to a whole host of other article 4 upenders? Republicans are getting ready to pass legislation that will make what Bush is doing legal. You want that?

    In case you hadn’t noticed, nobody has been arrested, tried or convicted due to these invasions into our privacy. Not for terrorist acts, at least. Possibly for white collar crimes, against corporate America, and drugs, but nothing for the war on terrorism.

    What’s it going to take to wake you up?

  • Look, none of these “rationales” hold true under even minimal scrutiny.

    Do both.

    Push back on the war, or whatever.

    And demand Censure. You can have an immediate, quick-strike show of support for Feingold — and immediately do the next item on your agenda. And both ARE needed.

    It’s not chewing bubble gum and walking at the same time, is it? It’s one thing after the other. And it’s fulfilling their sworn obligation to do their jobs.

  • The bright side of this – Feingold got the message that he’s just not got it. This guys incumbent protection act is reason to get him out as soon as possible – replace him with a first amendment supporter.

  • Feingold gave the senate its own “Murtha moment”, a watershed event where a single brave outcast speaks a repressed truth making fellow democrats as well as republicans uncomfortable.
    In both cases, replublicans hoped for a political “backfire”, but smoke and mirrors spinning is getting harder and harder.

    What both Murtha and Feingold are saying is that Washington (not just the emperor) doesn’t have any clothes. T

  • I admire Feingold more than any other person in public life, but this censure thing was a tactical mistake and a classic example of funhouse-mirror self-indulgent lefty politics. Let’s stop focusing on how to give vent to our (wholly justified) hatred of BushCheneyNorquistDeLayDobson, and start asking a few pertinent questions:

    What’s the real gain that would come about even if it passed?

    Answer: none. It doesn’t change a single decision on a real measure of policy. And it probably won’t influence the polling place decision of a single voter come November.

    Who gets fired up in response to this?

    Answer: the bad guys. Read the Times link above: Weyrich sees this as manna from heaven, a way to get his voters to the polls out of the usual Fear of Democrats by emphasizing that our side would be, effectively, even worse than Bush. Additionally, Bush won’t be impeached even we take back both houses in November, because you don’t do that in a president’s last two years; everybody looks ahead at that point, and besides it would be so much more fun to watch him die by inches in dealing with Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid. And there’s no liberal Dem out there who wasn’t already engaged with the ’06 elections that will become so because of a Motion to Censure.

    What gets overlooked while we personalize the debate through Feingold’s censure motion?

    Answer: a whole lot of things that the Republicans don’t want to talk about, including:

    –Raising the national debt level, up by nearly 50 percent since the Bush Reign of Error began;
    –The slow-motion disaster in Iraq, which is getting worse by the day;
    –The Medicare Part D debacle, which if framed right could be the key to explaining the whole tragic farce of Republican lawmaking-by-lobbyist;
    –Congressional corruption, which continues to bubble into the news with daily revelations about Burns, Cruella Harris, DeLay, and Jack Abramoff.

    Let’s get real here. The Democrats can win this election on the substance of issues facing the country. We can lose it by putting our most partisan and emotional face forward. The choice is ours.

  • 1) DP World is basically over. There’s not much left to tie up.

    2) We want to tie Republicans to Bush and his 33% approval rating. This is actually a Democratic political goal. Forcing the Republicans to defend an incompetent, illegal president is a good thing for our side. This is a chance for us to repeat over and over how we think a Constitution that’s good enough for George Washington should be good enough for George Dubaiya Bush.

    3) The Democratic Party has waited far too long to make the Constitution an issue. If you let this issue sit much longer, it won’t invade the public consciousness before general elections. Political narratives, unlike scandals, take time to reach the general public. Clinton’s impeachment wasn’t created in a day. Nixon’s resignation didn’t happen in a day. It took a lot of work and narrative to create those end results. The narrative of Democrats protecting the Law, protecting America, and fighting terror effectively doesn’t seem insanely partisan to me.

    4) If reporters are bombarding Democratic Senators, that still gives Senators a chance to play offense on Iraq. How unimaginative do you have to be to not tie Bush’s illegal national security to Bush’s incompetent war games?

    5) Depending on Arlen Specter to put heat on the President in 2006 is one of the dumbest things that Democrats can do. Any staffer who honestly believes this is a good idea is living in the 1990s.

  • First, Liberal Oasis totally dismantled most of the cheap rationalizations you list as explanations for Dem behavior.

    On your fifth point, regarding the “one Senate staffer in particular” — I have RARELY seen a more condescending — and misguided — statement from anyone in D.C., and you know how much that’s really saying.

    I mean, read the guy’s quote again, and see if you keep from throwing up!

    “Imagine a hearing with a panel of experts discussing whether Bush’s behavior deserves censure. Wouldn’t that be much better as a first step then a rushed vote in which we lose and R’s declare victory and say we were silly?”

    Imagine that. No really, imagine that. When is the last time Specter or Pat Roberts followed through on a) their obligations, or b) any real oversight, or c) the promises made to Democrats to hold hearings on anything at all?

    What’s more, this Senate staffer is lying through his teeth. Not only have Democrats NOT forced the issue, demanded a discussion, pressured Committee Chairmen to do their damn jobs on previous issues — it’s quite clear Feingold KNEW he had to force their hands on this one as well.

    Do you REALLY think Feingold would have actually HAD to make that motion, w/o debate, if there was a hearing in the offing? NO freakin way.

    Plus, if you’re gonna do hearings, why not just do one on impeachment? That alone is enough to know the Dems are just pussyfootin around playing games.

    There’s nothing preventing these plaintive Dems from bringing any of these issues they CLAIM have been preempted again, and again, and again. Instead, they’re taking the OPPOSITE tack — RATHER THAN pressing the advantage, rather than DEMANDING redress of grievances, rather than exacting political victory from Bush WHILE HE’S ON THE ROPES –the Democrats keep disappearing and keep on disappearing, and keep disappearing on matters of principle.

    And if you can’t get a Senator to stand up for the rule of law, for accountability, for their damn jobs, and to uphold the Constitution — when the facts, and the polls, are clearly on their side — then what can you expect them to do?

    Because theyr’e sure as hell NOT going to be able to persuade Arlen Specter to hold hearings on the meaning of censure, with a panel of experts, no less. Now the Senate is some sort of Vanity Club for Castrated Sophists, is that it?

    What “one Senate staffer in particular said” is flat-out bullshit. It’s bullshit — that’s what that is.

    Feingold’s national approval ratings went from 22% to 52% — virtually overnight. 70% of Dems approve of censure, 29% of Republicans, and 42% of Independents approve of it. 48% of VOTERS favor censure. 47% percent of INdependents actually favor impeachment.

    So don’t tell me there would be political consequences if the Democrats come out for censure. On the contrary, there are gains to be made. Feingolds’ move was a masterstroke that exposed them for the unprincipled, ineffective frauds they are. But it’s not an accident — it’s quite clear Democrats don’t WANT to win; after all, these are smart guys, and it can only be a conscious choice not to exploit the difficult position the President is in. Otherwise, what explanation could there be for not taking the high road, exploiting the current issues and the altered political landscape? They don’t want to pick up the pieces.

    A President was impeached for lying about sex — and these oh-so-wise men of the Democratic party can’t even make the argument that Bush has corssed the high crimes and misdemeanors threshhold?

  • dajafi —

    You’re much mistaken, as well as badly misguided, if you’re adopting the political analysis of Weyrich.

    This wasn’t a lefty move, but a principled move by a Constitutional Conservative (& Progressive). It was tactically brilliant in that it exposed spineless and tactically ineffective DLC Democrats as the frauds that they are. They had an opportunity to stand up for the rule of law, defend principle and uphold the Constitution — or slink away from their sworn oaths and the country that needs them.

    Had they stood with Feingold, the issue would have put the heat on Specter, Roberts, and Bush. Instead the Dems folded, and disappeared, as they’ve done over and over again. Quite literally, you blame Feingold for the failure of the other Dems.

    You are in error to assert that “Bush won’t be impeached even we take back both houses in November, because you don’t do that in a president’s last two years; everybody looks ahead at that point…”

    There is just or sane reason whatsoever that says Bush cannot should not be impeached after the 2006 elections. Who are you to say that “you don’t do that”? You damn well do impeach a tyrant. You do it to enforce the law. You do it to punish a criminal lawbreaker who has usurped power and willfully violated the Constitution. You do it to reign in an executive who lied (that’s right) the country into a war for which there was no basis. YOu do it set a precedent. You do it to establish for a fact, among the slow-witted amongst us, that impeachment is not a political issue, but a matter defined by law — just so lightweights can no longer conflate how you accomplish impeachment with the cause and definition of impeachment.

    Mostly, you impeach a president in order to eliminate the possibility that he can do more damage in the next two years. After all, what the hell else would it take, and what other time interval, exactly, do you have available to you? That first two years (or 6), boy, that’s a reeeaal window of opportunity!~idn’t it? I got the feeling it’s just too much hard work for a bright guy such as yourself to stand up for the Constitution that defines us as a nation. Better not to offend anyone. Better not to look bad in public (got news: it’s too later for that).

    There are some moments — and this is one of them — when bein’ just a little too smart, will just make you look really, really dumb.

    Because if THIS isn’t enough to raise a stink, and get the ball rollin’ — then WHAT IS?

    Here’s the nub of it, and it’s an irony that throws your whole backwards thought process upside down:You actually said “it probably won’t influence the polling place decision of a single voter come November.” I’m here to tell you you’re already wrong.

    I voted for every Democratic Prez nominee, year after year after year, as the party rejected supposedly “unelectable” candidates for Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale. I never even considered voting for Nader. (Why?) But not this time. I’ve already called Mendendez’ office (about 06), and Hillary’s office (about 08) and told em I won’t vote for anyone who won’t stand up for the Constitution and for censure.

    And you know what? I’m simply going by your argument! If you won’t fight for impeachment, and think it’s best to endure for another couple years, so you can “look ahead” to 2008 — well, that’s what I’m going to do too. Better to endure another 2 years w/o a Democratic congress, and another 4 to 8 years of Republican president, than to support Vichy Democrats whose fealty no longer lies with the People who put them in office, or the country they presume to serve. I’ll just look ahead for the next Preznitial election, and by then perhaps the DLC-types will have come to your senses. But let’s stop drink in the “realist” kool-aid. It ain’t pragmatic, it loses elections, and it confirms every character smear applied by the right to Democrats for the past 35 years. Way to go. You’re really maintaining a reputation out there. For what? A good question…

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