Bush gave those straw men a real lashing

Over the weekend, the AP’s Jennifer Loven published a terrific item about Bush’s use of straw men in his rhetoric. As Loven explained, when the president “starts a sentence with ‘some say’ or offers up what ‘some in Washington’ believe, as he is doing more often these days, a rhetorical retort almost assuredly follows.”

In describing what they advocate, Bush often omits an important nuance or substitutes an extreme stance that bears little resemblance to their actual position.

If you watched this morning’s White House press conference, you may have concluded that Bush read Loven’s piece and decided to go out of his way to prove how accurate it was. Consider this gem:

“[T]he United States of America must take this threat seriously and must not — must never forget the natural rights that formed our country. And for people to say, well, the natural rights only exist for one group of people, I would call them — I would say that they’re denying the basic rights to others.”

Yes, Bush gave those rights-denying enemies of freedom a lashing of a lifetime. If this reflected reality in even a tangential way, it’d really be impressive. Here’s another:

“Our foreign policy up to now was to kind of tolerate what appeared to be calm. And underneath the surface was this swelling sense of anxiety and resentment, out of which came this totalitarian movement that is willing to spread its propaganda through death and destruction, to spread its philosophy. Now, some in this country don’t — I can understand — don’t view the enemy that way. I guess they kind of view it as an isolated group of people that occasionally kill. I just don’t see it that way.”

Yes, to hear Bush tell it, there’s an unnamed contingent in this country who believe international terrorist networks are isolated and strike indiscriminately. Who are they? Bush didn’t say, probably because no one actually thinks that.

Unfortunately, the president was just getting started.

“The enemy has said that it’s just a matter of time before the United States loses its nerve and withdraws from Iraq. That’s what they have said. And their objective for driving us out of Iraq is to have a place from which to launch their campaign to overthrow modern governments — moderate governments — in the Middle East, as well as to continue attacking places like the United States. Now, maybe some discount those words as kind of meaningless propaganda. I don’t, Jim. I take them really seriously.”

Once again, Bush points to a rascally political opposition that appears to exist only in his mind.

This one was a little closer, but still a classic straw-man argument.

“I think during these difficult times — and they are difficult when we’re at war — the American people expect there to be a honest and open debate without needless partisanship. And that’s how I view it. I did notice that nobody from the Democrat Party has actually stood up and called for getting rid of the terrorist surveillance program. You know, if that’s what they believe, if people in the party believe that, then they ought to stand up and say it. They ought to stand up and say the tools we’re using to protect the American people shouldn’t be used.”

Now, as any informed person must understand by now, the Democratic Party wants surveillance done, but in a lawful fashion with oversight. Both the GOP and the Dems want to spy on the bad guys, but only one side believes there should be lawful checks and balances on government power. Either Bush is confused (again) about the basic facts of government, or he was intentionally trying to deceive.

That said, I really have to hand it to the president. It’s taken him over five years, but he’s finally found an opponent he can beat in a policy debate. The fact that it’s an imaginary opponent that doesn’t exist is an inconvenient side note, but far be it for me to spoil Bush’s fun.

Yeah I wonder what gives more hope/enjoyment/encouragement to the terrorists: Dems who insist that our Nation is a nation of laws and that our basic civil rights should not be violated, or the GOP and its enablers who set policy based on and because they are afraid of Osama bin Laden and other terrorists. I just wonder…

  • CB — I see that you caught that subtle slam of the Democratic party. With the way that Bush mangles the English language it’s hard to tell if it was intentional or not. But, then again, maybe he learned about politics over at FreeRepublic.

  • I’m glad you pointed that out CB. I have noticed that tactic comming from the Bushies for a long time. I can barely listen to the man because of his use of fallacious arguements. Bush does seem to love the straw man. It’s hard to listen to him without getting angry. He must have slept through prep school.

  • What was even worse was he completely doesn’t answer questions that were asked – go over to TalkingPointsMemo and check out his “dialogue” with Helen Thomas – not only were they not on the same planet with each other, not only were they not in the same solar system with each other, they weren’t in the same universe! The audacious mendacity of this futhermocking piece of rotted Armadillo shit is beyond belief!!

  • Laziness, fear, and lack of examples seem to be the main reason for these idiocies – I wonder why he bothers becuase most (or should I say I) know he is lazy, the administration is fearful, and that there are no examples.

  • go over to TalkingPointsMemo and check out his “dialogue” with Helen Thomas – Comment by Tom Cleaver

    Yes I saw that exchange before I went to work this morning. The rudeness and arrogance of GWB knows no bounds. She asked an entirely appropriate and well researched question, and he tried to belittle her, discount her, and then when that didn’t work, he just talked over her. I don’t know who is responsible for his rudeness, but someone, one of his handlers, ought to talk to him about his manners.

  • There’s this Twilight Zone episode where a young guy wants to become a fascist demagogue. After a little while of haranguing people in the streets, he’s had no luck amassing a movement.

    A mysterious stranger appears to give him lessons in winning over the people, but is always standing in the shadows whenever they meet. Saying “They say…” or “There are people that…” to set up straw-men becomes a regular part of the kid’s schtick. At the end of the show, the mysterious stranger turns out to be Adolf Hitler.

  • I had a double-take at this, also from today’s press conference. I didn’t see the video, so I don’t quite know what to make of it. But it sounds like Bush is cracking an inside joke about his own trademark smear line:

    Q Good morning, sir. Mindful of the frustrations that many Americans are expressing to you, do you believe you need to make any adjustments in how you run the White House? Many of your senior staffers have been with you from the beginning. There are some in Washington who say —

    THE PRESIDENT: Wait a minute, is this a personal attack launching over here? (Laughter.)

    Q Some say they are tired and even tone-deaf, ….

  • I saw a great comment somwhere. If you are arguing with people that don’t exsist, people will question your sanity.

  • ” And underneath the surface was this swelling sense of anxiety and resentment, out of which came this totalitarian movement that is willing to spread its propaganda through death and destruction, to spread its philosophy.”
    There’s a good line for my next book, “A History of the Modern Republican Party”

  • I can handle the beating he’s giving to the those
    senseless strawmen, but Jesus H. Christ! The
    guy oughta be arrested for cruelty to the English
    language.

  • Some people would jump off of tall buildings holding an umbrella, some would check the gasoline level of a can with a lit match, some would hook up a lawn chair to a weather balloon and float out to sea. The Darwin Awards book is jam packed with strawmen for Bush to joust.

  • Trouble is, Bush is living and reacting as if he is in his own, imaginary world and refuses to take constructive criticism or allow effective oversight–meaning actual, enforcable checks and balances from Congress.

    While he might preach democracy, his form of democracy seems to be “do it my way or else,” which in my estimation is a form of dictatorship not a true democracy. His actions undermine our country’s credibility and, due to either his incompetence and/or callousness, hinders real, effective security and economic measures–due to lack of adequate financing among other factors. He lacks true leadership qualities that would benefit, rather than harm, the actual needs of Americans.

  • Everyone is laughing at Bush, stomping on Bush, or fleeing from Bush.

    Everyone except the elected Democrats (exception: Russ Feingold).

  • The Government of the United States is not a democracy, it is a Representative Republic. Despite appealing only to the ignorant in fly-over country President Bush was the first awarded the office by a majority since his father. Whoever is nominated, they must appeal to the flyover vote.

  • Back in the “high tech” days of the 1960’s a move to make America a real democracy was snuffed out by the establishment as they were called then. The technical side was a button for everyone to push for yea or nea with all issues brought to the whole country. All the elected officials would do is make the proposals with the people making the final decision. Of course that would seriously limit the power of the powerful who have the say as to what changes will be made. So forget democracy.

    The natural flow of government is towards the kingdom. We are headed in that direction at light speed right now and have been since the beginning. Any carismatic leader who emerges from the present mess could easily get himself appointed emperor for life. That is what happened in both ancient republics, Greek and Roman. If Iraq had gone the way it was advertised Bush would be a big hero and the multitudes of groupies, rock star worshippers would be screaming for his cornation.

    A little known fact of modern history is an attempted coup during FDR’s new deal bankrolled by at least one and perhaps a bunch of wealthy industrialists patriots who wanted to install a Third Reich, Hitler kind of dictator. Hitler was popular in America complete with an American Nazi party. The fellow they picked out as the dictator was a popular retired Marine general who’s name escapes me at the moment. He blew the whistle and the thing was quashed. And it was kept very quiet. They, the representatives didn’t want people getting ideas I suppose. What’s different then and now is the media. Fox and all the rest seem to be run by people who favor the mushroom treatment, keep the electorate in the dark and feed them pure steer manure. That’s just one step removed from them picking their own dictator.

  • This is what you get when your education system sucks so completely and thorougly.

    A generation or two ago, kids learned debating, critical thinking, and how to recognise and smack down “logical fallacies” like the Strawman, Appeal to Authority, Appeal to Popularity, Empty Chair, etc.

    But after 40 years of useless, dumbed-down non-education, this is what we get: a nation of people who can listen to a guy make strawman arguments for FIVE YEARS and only now figure out what he’s been doing.

    The revolutions in the 60’s occurred because American kids of that era had received damned good educations. They’d actually read Marx, and Adam Smith, and Locke and Voltaire, and understood them. This apparently scared the bejeesus out of the ruling classes, and the dumbing-down of the education system followed in the 70’s. My generation was educated nowhere near as well as the one that preceeded us.

    I’m sorry, but a free populace can only exist if they’ve received a rigorous, intense, no-bullshit, serious education, including groundings in critical thinking, scientific method, mathematics, the Classics (does anyone learn Greek or Latin anymore?), etc. Education is HARD WORK. A mushy, touchy-feeley education– or, worse, the corporate-directed trade-schooling into which it is devolving– does not prepare one to participate in a democracy. It prepares one to be a television-watching burger-flipper.

    In its early days, America was a country where the rank-and-file merchant-class yahoos received educations worthy of those given to the aristocratic upper classes of Europe. That’s the only way democracy can work. Nowadays, Europe is the kind of place where the rank-and-file yahoos receive educations worthy of the aristocratic upper classes of America.

    Something is wrong here.

  • “And for people to say, well, the natural rights only exist for one group of people, I would call them — I would say that they’re denying the basic rights to others.”

    What hypocrisy coming from the “leader” who endorses cutting gays and lesbians out of the legal system entirely RE: the gay marriage amendment.

    The smirking chimp absolutely disgusts me.

  • Bush get’s his morality from the Bible. Jesus admonishes us to “love our neighbors as ourselves.” Sounds good but is it good? The constitution says “respect your neighbor’s rights.” Divorces happen because people love but don’t respect each other.

    You can take this any way you want. The Bible, Bush and his moral majority’s manual at arms is a proved hoax. Over 42 million Americans by survey agree with that. It’s time they were organized into a voting block. I see that happening. The Republicans are not putting distance between themselves and Bush because he has BO. He’s got EO, evangelical stinko. It’s happening with no fanfare at all. Just a little old pit stop on the information super highway, http://www.hoax-buster.org.

    Republican politicians have been emailed and have seen the proof for themselves. The professors who’s advice they have sought can’t touch the evidence. They’re being vewy vewy quiet about why but are clearly reacting.

    The Bible is more bogus than Bush’s WMDs in Iraq.

  • It would be really nice if Bush could just state his thoughts in
    actual declarative sentences.
    I find it almost impossible to figure out what he is trying to say since
    his statements almost never make any sense.
    He sounds like a (very bad) high school sophomore who has no idea
    what a thesis statement is or how to construct a logical argument.
    And to think we have to put up with three more years of this?
    Incredible.

  • RE: Comment by Bill — 3/21/2006 @ 10:27 pm

    The person the industrialists picked to be dictator was Smedley Butler. Look him up on the internet for details.

    BTW: Have you seen the movie “The Chosen One” with Peter Sellers? I think Bush is “The Chosen One.”

  • “…to launch their campaign to overthrow modern governments — moderate governments — in the Middle East”

    OK, I’m lost. Which governements is he talking about? Iran is probably closest to a moden style gobernment and he keeps moaning about them. The rest are dictatorships, kingdoms, or autocratic. Not very modern or moderate.

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