Adventures in obscenities

Though it may not be obvious at first, this story seems to have a political angle.

This is a story about words we can’t print in this story. You probably hear these words often, and more than ever before. But even though we can’t print them — we do have our standards — we can certainly ask: Are we living in an Age of [tag]Profanity[/tag]?

Nearly three-quarters of Americans questioned last week — 74 percent — said they encounter profanity in public frequently or occasionally, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll. Two-thirds said they think people swear more than they did 20 years ago. And as for, well, the gold standard of foul words, a healthy 64 percent said they use the F-word — ranging from several times a day (8 percent) to a few times a year (15 percent).

I thought about these poll results after hearing more about Supreme Court Justice Antonin [tag]Scalia[/tag]’s run-in with a photographer at a church in Boston.

Smith was working as a freelance photographer for the Boston archdiocese’s weekly newspaper at a special Mass for lawyers Sunday when a Herald reporter asked the justice how he responds to critics who might question his impartiality as a judge given his public worship.

“The judge paused for a second, then looked directly into my lens and said, ‘To my critics, I say, ‘Vaffanculo,’ ” punctuating the comment by flicking his right hand out from under his chin, Smith said. The Italian phrase means “(expletive) you.”

The more I thought about it, the more I remembered similar examples from recent years — all of them regarding elite Republicans. Dick Cheney, on the Senate floor, told one lawmaker to “go f— himself.” During the 2000 campaign, Bush told Cheney, “There’s Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New York Times.” In 2002, Bush poked his head into a national security meeting to announce, “F— Saddam, we’re taking him out.” In 1987, Bush approach the Wall Street Journal’s Al Hunt and, in front of Hunt’s 4-year-old daughter, said, “You no-good f—ing son of a bitch, I will never f—ing forget what you wrote.”

At a minimum, I like to think that if “values voters” are concerned about the coarsening of our discourse, they won’t be able to blame Democrats.

Update: An emailer reminds me that Scalia isn’t the only one fond of hand gestures.

Sure the “values voters” can blame dems. It was the liberals who destroyed the American dream, broke up the nuclear family and launched the war on Christ. It is the left who have brought about the downfall of civil society, and faced with such a mountain of vile corruption is it any wonder the Republicans are getting frustrated enough to curse? It’s not as if they took the Lords name in vain…

  • I think Democrats are aware of the difference between formal and informal speech (public vs. private) and know when and where to use each. The Republicans you cite, believing that “the little people” and their society don’t count for sh-t, couldn’t care less.

    In the 1890s, at the height prudery in our society — books by male and female authors couldn’t appear side-by-side on the shelf unless those authors were married, paino legs had to be covered, etc. — some in the upper class took delight in the vilest pornography (not even funny) and in using extremely foul language with one another.

    I used to wonder, back when I heard the F-word more often from students on my university campus than you’d hear in a military barracks, if in the long run we won’t look back on the times when most of us grew up as being somewhat prudish. After all, Shakespeare (opening scene of the Romeo and Juliet, e.g.,) and Chaucer took delight in ribaldry. Maybe it was “our time” which was out of line. Due to the Norman-French conquest of Anglo-Saxon (which automatically made the former upper-class and the latter lower-class) we have a very rich language. Maybe we should use it to its fullest.

  • Xreoman – The Dems made me do it!!! LOL!

    So much for the Republican “personal responsiblity” ethos

  • Well, I guess I have to thank Justice Scalia for something. As long as I’ve lived, and as many times as I’ve said it, I never knew how to spell vaffanculo.

  • I remember during the time the Watergate tape transcripts were released, when “Expletive Deleted” was quite the joke.

    The only bad language example from a Democrat I can recall is Jimmy Carter responding to a question about being challenged by Ted Kennedy for the 1980 nomination: “I’ll kick his ass.”

  • As long as we’re talking about “values voters,” let’s consider these statistics (which probably go right along with being inarticulate and uneducated enough that “f-you” is the only understandable term they can use.

    From the American Prospect: (comments in parentheses are mine)

    Divorce:

    In red states in 2001, there were 572,000 divorces. Blue states
    recorded 340,000. In the same year, 11 red states had higher
    rates of divorce than any blue state.

    Teenage Mothers and Births Out of Wedlock:

    In each of the red states of Louisiana, Mississippi, and New
    Mexico, 46.3 percent of all births were to unwed mothers. In blue
    states, on average, that percentage was 31.7. Delaware has the
    highest rate of births to teenage mothers among all blue states,
    yet 17 red states have a higher rate. Of those red states, 15
    have at least twice the rate as that of Massachusetts. There were
    more than 100 teen pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15 to 19 in 5
    red states in 2002. None of the blue states had rates that high.
    The rate of teen births declined in 46 states from 1988 to 2000.
    It climbed in 3 red states and saw no change in another. (My
    guess is this clearly demonstrates the superiority of
    “abstinence-only” sex education, eh?)

    Violent Crime:

    The per capita rate of violent crime in red states is 421 per
    100,000. In blue states, it’s 372 per 100,000. The per capita
    rate of murder and non-negligent manslaughter in Louisiana is 13
    per 100,000. In Maine, it’s 1.2 per 100,000. (No wonder red
    staters all feel a need to carry guns)

    Domestic Violence:

    As of 2000, 37 states had statewide policies or procedures to
    address domestic violence. All 13 that didn’t were red states.

    Alcohol and Drug Abuse:

    The 5 states with the highest rates of alcohol dependence or
    abuse are red states. The 5 states with the highest rates of
    alcohol dependence or abuse among 12- to 17-year-olds are also
    red states. The per capita rate of methamphetamine-lab seizures
    in California is 2 per 100,000. In Arkansas, it’s 20 per 100,000.
    The number of meth-lab seizures in red states increased by 38
    percent from 1999 to 2003. In the same time frame, it decreased
    by 38 percent in blue states. (can you say “hopped-up hillbillies with guns” – scary thought, eh?)

    Out-of-Marriage Sexual Activity:

    Residents of the all-red Mountain States are the most likely to
    have had 3 or more sexual partners in the previous year.
    Residents of all-blue New England are the least likely to have
    had more than 1 partner in that span. Residents of the mid-
    Atlantic region of New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey were
    the most likely to be sexually abstinent. Residents of the all-
    red West South Central region (Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas,
    Louisiana) were the least likely. Five red states reported more
    than 400 cases of chlamydia per 100,000 residents in 2002. No
    blue state had a rate that high. The per capita rate of gonorrhea
    in red states was 140 per 100,000. In blue states, it was 99 per
    100,000. (Yet more proof of the superiority of abstinence-only
    sex ed)

    Remember all this the next time your Republican friend starts
    talking about how he or she is a member of the Party of Morality.

  • All of which means that the “values” debate is only a smokescreen for something else–I’d say it is simply as a demonstration of a particular party’s or interest group’s power, or else an entertaining diversion lest the rubes figure out what government is really doing. The values debate can also be merely a wedge issue that is used simply to clearly demarcate friends and enemies to the rulers for reward/punishment, as each deserves.

  • Jim Strain (#5),

    “Vaffanculo” is a contraction of “Vá a fare in culo” – literally, go up the (your) ass.

    Who said my Italian lessons wouldn’t pay off?

  • Reminds me of the famous credo: “Do as I say, not as I do.” The Republicans like to preach to others about morals but don’t like to practice what they preach. In other words, they are a bunch of hypocrites–you can add or delete any expletive that comes to mind.

  • Tom Cleaver is getting more and more scarierly informative every day.

    Thanks for the info.

  • “I was Hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and your gave me drink, a stranger and you welcommed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.” –Matthew 25:35-36

    Lets get our morality straight people. I’ll be pleased to talk virtue with any of these foul mouthed jerks. It is incomprehensible to me that these people think they have God on their side, and it is even more incomprehensible that any true Christian would follow them anywhere.

  • Well I guess Scalia doesn’t really have reason to complain now if the spectators at the Supreme Court give him some nice “Vaffanculo” gestures a few times during the proceedings each day for the rest of his career.

  • Pretty odd issue for him to choose to replace discourse w/ ugliness. I guess that’s what kind of a guy he is.

  • Well, for once, Im going to dissent here, mildly. Without a video of the actual hand gesture, we dont have much to go on here. Scalia posted a rebuttal in the Boston paper that was fairly clear and for the most part not too scathing, sarcastic and hostile like much of the stuff he writes/says. The fact is, we dont know specifically what the gesture was, and Scalia’s interpretation is in line with his thinking on the issue – specifically, that he doesnt give a rat’s ass what the public thinks about his impartiality or lack thereof. That said, I wouldnt put it past him to say “go F yourself” or something similar, but I think that’s probably not what was going on here.

  • It would be hard, and pointless, to be exhaustive about this, but I don’t think you should leave out Rove’s “We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one else has ever fucked him.”

  • G2000,

    The Boston Herald has the photo of the gesture here. The story, with picture and additional commentary, is here. I think there’s no doubt what Scalia meant by the gesture.

    The word (phrase) is defined in Larousse’s Italian Dictionary this way: “esclam volg fuck off!”, and in the online Italian Adult Slang — Adult Secton as: “vulgar—contraction of the expression ‘Va’ a fare in culo’ up your [buttocks].) insult.”

    The fact the Scalia asked the reporter “You’re not going to print that, are you?” should have been a clue that he knew what he was doing.

  • Seems like some commercials highlighting this might be worth trying in the red states.

  • Ok, I have a great idea for something that liberal legal-types, and heck, even other liberals can start doing–

    But you have to really really do it, and not just talk about doing it as a joke- because then the conservatives will start doing it, and then where will we be.

    Here it is:

    When arguing with a conservative, lay out the liberal side of the issue in carefully thought out and communicated, thorough, rational detail, as you usually would. Then, when you have finished making your case, and the Republican thinks by the length of your pause that you are done speaking, then as they are about to speak just add: “And to my critics, I say, vaffanculo.”

    But you have to be ready to say it twice! Just when they are about to respond with whatever they were going to respond with- whether ‘How dare you’ or ‘What was that?’- you have to quickly cut them off “Vaffanculo!” as if you couldn’t wait for an excuse to add it in a second time.

  • Ed, Im sorry but I must disagree. Without seeing the gesture in motion, I cant be sure. I certainly wouldnt put it past him, but that picture isnt quite enough.

    I happen to be Italian, and am quite familiar with many of the gestures…that photo looks like it could be what people want to believe it is, but I just cant say for sure.

    As for his response, about not publishing that, it tends to lend support to the “up yours” interpretation.

    All this aside, the guy is a supreme asshole, and also a weasel, so it is certainly plausible he is trying his best to wriggle out of the mess he made.

  • After reading what Tom (#7) wrote, Methinks I’ve an idea to whip these Acid-Reflux-icans senseless:

    Get all of these factual tidbits together. Print them up into pamphlets. Mail the pamphlets to the evangelicals and fundies, letting them know that the reason they’re seeing so much immorality is because they’re living amongst the Republican Pretenders—who, it turns out, are the REAL evil minions of the AntiChrist. There’s so much less immorality and sinfulness, after all, within those states under the sway of the Democratic Party. They should strive to drive those Godlessly-wicked Republican hordes into the sea—or at least drive them from public office, since throwing a big bunch of swarthy, backroom-type politicians into the ocean is just too insulting to the guy who created the ocean to even contemplate.

    Bring even just a percentage of the fundies over to the Democratic side of the aisle—and you won’t even see a Republican dog-catcher any more….

  • Yeah, the fundamentalist Islamics are pretty dangerous… I mean, this bit with cutting folks’ heads off, and all that…

    Oh… You’re talking about the folks here who carry signs around…

    Nevermind…

    Keep in mind, Junior, that the bible thumpers and holy rollers were _all_ democrats about 30 years ago… There was a massive defection in the seventies, at which point we got Ronald Reagan, who effectively ended WWIII. The thumpers may go back to the democrats just as easily. Personally, I think that they were the worst thing to ever happen to the conservative side of politics. Uneducated and underinformed knee-jerk ballots do not work for me.

    As for language? I think that what we have here is a general lessening of the vocabulary base of the average government-schooled American. After all, the all-purpose word _can_ come in handy…

    There, and I said all that without bleepin’ cussing once…

  • I remember during the conventions the statistics were really interesting. Republicans (men) tended to go out after the evening session to girlie bars while Dems tended to be “boring” and go back to their hotel rooms with their spouses. At the same time I think it was Harper’s that came out with the news that the most-watched TV programs in red states were the ones Republicans were railing against. (“Desperate Housewives” was the one I remember.)

    It’s not that Dems are never hypocrites, it’s just that we’re amateurs in that field compared to Republicans.

    G2000, I tend to be a little doubtful, as you are, about the gesture. But here’s something I’m sure of: Scalia is a right old bastard, arrogant, bright as hell, but not up to the job in terms of character and wisdom. His refusals to recuse himself even when it would be the decent, ethical thing to do — that alone puts me off him, makes him untrustworthy.

  • And let us not forget porn producer Mark Kulkis, who last year attended The President’s Dinner and Salute to Freedom with star Mary Carey, after donating $5,000 to the RNC.

    It’s all about the values

  • What about the lesbian pornography in Lynn Cheney’s awful, absurd novel? And Rove’s shrieking promise to “F him like he’s never been F’ed before about a fellow GOoPer who got out of line? They can’t help themselves–hate is their way of life.

  • I learn so much from you folks! Thanks Ed!

    Personally, I’m not particularly offended by coarse speech. I loved it when the guy in Mississippi kept yelling at Cheney to go fuck himself. And I must say it’s amusing when these right wingers get caught using it, as they are the ones who are always so sanctimonious and shocked when they hear it from someone on the left. Doesn’t anyone remember the phony outrage when Theresa Heinz Kerry told someone to “stuff it”? Like (as my mama used to say) they wouldn’t say shit if they had a mouthful of it.

  • Jim Strain, I don’t think people are really offended by it just because it was an obscene gesture. It’s because of who he is- what his job is. For Scalia, it’s really childish to respond that way to really genuine and legitimate questions about how he does his work. He’s a Supreme Court Justice of the United States, for Christ’s sake. He can’t answer a serious question about how he conducts his reasoning? For him to be so dismissive about it, and in apparently in such a carelss way, goes beyond being just inappropriate. It’s downright disturbing.

  • we shouldn’t forget that not only was this gesture made by, as swan points out, supreme court justice, but it was made at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross. the levels of disrespect this shows is just astounding.

  • This just in from the Boston Herald:

    “A freelance photographer has been fired by the Archdiocese of Boston’s newspaper for releasing a picture of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia making a controversial gesture in the Cathedral of the Holy Cross on Sunday.

    “Peter Smith, who had freelanced for The Pilot newspaper for a decade, lost the job yesterday after the Herald ran his photo on its front page. Smith said he has no regrets about releasing it.”

    Good for Smith. Hopefully his journalistic integrity, highlighted by boorishness of Scalia and CYA we’ve come to expect from the Boston Archdiocese, will get him a better job elsewhere.

  • yeah, i was going to try and add something elaborate and well thought-out about right-wing hypocrisy and the cult of oppressive rightousness and the myriad illiberal reasons for the coarsening of culture, and all of this vulgarity, but then i thought “that a lot of work. fuck that.”

  • The fact that he did not want his vulgar expression to be printed is very revealing, and totally destroys his (false) excuses.

    I found it interesting that he would use such an expression on the steps of the church.

    Yeah, these are the people of “morality”.

    I can only imagine what would happen if any Democrat ever did such a thing.

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