Yet another retired general wants Rumsfeld’s resignation

Just a couple of weeks ago, retired Army Major General Paul D. [tag]Eaton[/tag], the military official in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004, said Defense Secretary Donald [tag]Rumsfeld[/tag] has created “a climate of groupthink” that has led him to “put the Pentagon at the mercy of his ego.” He insisted that Rumsfeld “must step down.”

It seems to be a common sentiment among those with stars on their shoulder.

The three-star Marine Corps general who was the military’s top operations officer before the invasion of Iraq expressed regret, in an essay published Sunday, that he did not more energetically question those who had ordered the nation to war. He also urged active-duty officers to speak out now if they had doubts about the war.

Lt. Gen. Gregory [tag]Newbold[/tag], who retired in late 2002, also called for replacing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and “many others unwilling to fundamentally change their approach.” He is the third retired senior officer in recent weeks to demand that Mr. Rumsfeld step down.

In the essay, in this week’s issue of Time magazine, General Newbold wrote, “I now regret that I did not more openly challenge those who were determined to invade a country whose actions were peripheral to the real threat — [tag]Al Qaeda[/tag].”

The decision to invade Iraq, he wrote, “was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions — or bury the results.”

Newbold added that he believed advocates for the war were “zealots,” whose rationale “made no sense.”

For those counting at home, that makes three retired generals — Eaton, Newbold, and former Central Command leader Gen. Anthony [tag]Zinni[/tag] — who have called for Rumsfeld’s resignation. More officers would no doubt step up, if they weren’t still on active duty.

Though some active-duty officers will say in private that they disagree with Mr. Rumsfeld’s handling of Iraq, none have spoken out publicly. They attribute their silence to respect for civilian control of the military, as set in the Constitution — but some also say they know it would be professional suicide to speak up.

How about a vote of “no confidence”?

“was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions — or bury the results.”

Bush as the rootin’ tootin’ cowboy comander in chief ..in a nutshell.

“Bring it on” said by someone who has no idea of what it costs.

  • Without naming names, Lt. General Jay Garner, USA (ret.) also wasn’t real keen on how the initial stages of the occupation were prosecuted. USAToday (11.26.03):

    “The retired American general who headed the first occupation government in Iraq says the decision to disband the Iraqi army was one of several major mistakes Washington has made in Iraq.

    The United States should also have put more more troops into Baghdad after the fall of Saddam Hussein and done a better job of winning support from the Iraqi people, Jay Garner said in a radio interview aired Wednesday.”

    Retired general says major mistakes made in Iraq occupation

  • I think part of the reason for active-duty, senior-staff officers not speaking up is their concern for the intermediate-level command structure that may misinterpret an open condemnation of Rumsfeld as an implicit command to remove him from his office. The last thing the sane-minded general staff would need is to give Mad George and his precious little Rummie a blank check for realigning the entire command structure, replacing qualified commanders with loyal appointeees. We’ve already seen what disasterous effects this has had on the civilian side of government operations. A lot of the senior officers have to be thinking: What would a politi-centric purge of the professional officer-corps do to the United States?

  • Actually, the recent graduates of West Point – a third of whom are resigning from military service once their four-year commitment is us up – are “speaking with their feet” about their respect for their Commander-in-Chief.

  • Does anybody remember former army chief of staff General Eric Shenseki? Rumfeld sacked him for advocating 300 to 400 thousand troops to secure a post-war Iraq.

    According to David Gergen, Shinseki “loves the [army].” That must be why Gen. Shinseki keeps his mouth shut.

  • Dont forget, Rummy offered his resignation twice. Yes, he totally f-ed up, miscalculated, didnt listen to advice. But you almost cant blame the guy for sticking to the only thing he knows – remember, he is old and from the looks of it practically senile at times. Old dog – new trick, basically impossible here. The one who is most responsible for the ongoing bungling is The Chimp in Chief. When you hire the wrong staff, and they admit to mistakes, you fire them, and change course. Plain and simple, they had their chance to fix this, and flat out refused. I lay the blame for this misadventure more and more at Bush’s clay feet.

  • Article 88 of the UCMJ prohibits officers from criticizing the DOD leadership. Also, it would set a terrible precedence for those under their command if they make it sound that it’s okay to criticize in public, even IF the civilian leadership is incompetent, arrogant, uncaring, unconcerned, stupid, and adrift.
    On that note, every person who had ever wore a uniform defending this country, and who feel strongly about our current national security situation (two words: it sucks), needs to find whatever public forum they can and speak up. Can’t wait for Limbaugh to call me “unpatriotic”

  • Active-duty officers are under a terrible burden. The conflict between fulfilling their duty under military regulations versus their moral responsibility to speak up as human beings must make for a lot of sleepless nights.

    So what happens if the White House issues an order for a nuclear strike against Iran, rumors of which are circulating more and more often these days?

    This would be an unprovoked attack against a country with whom we are not at war, using the most lethal and monstrous weapons ever created by mankind. What will these officers do then?

    I’m glad I’m not in their shoes. It’s going to be a very rough ride. We can only pray they make the right choice.

  • Unfortunately, given the high number of Christian Right officers (several of whom I know, one since we were in kindergarten together) in the Air Force, it will be no problem sending the bombers flying on the new Crusade. And these are guys who were far right long before the Vineyard Ministry megachurch started its subversion of the Air Force Academy.

    The one service where there would be any likelihood of “honorable response” is the Marines (notice that 2 of 3 Generals speaking publicly are Marines) and even there it would be a “close vote” at best.

  • I’m not a big Rumsfeld fan and his dismal performance in handling Iraq is more than sufficient reason to dump him. But I don’t think that is the whole story.
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    Paul Eaton claims that Rumsfeld created a “culture of groupthink”. I agree that there is such a culture, but it was there long before Rumsfeld. Senior military officers are a self-selected group who have chosen to endure the “up or out” process of career advancement and the political compromises than come with it. By the time they reach a level where their views would have an effect, there is almost no chance they will speak out.It’s hard to blame them for their choice – they didn’t create the system.
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    The kinds of people who might speak out are the 1/3 to whom Ed refers. That’s the reason Ed’s stat is so alarming. Mr. Fribbles comment is certainly witty (I love the movie), but doesn’t capture the real risk. As scary as a bunch of Turgidsons would be, there is little risk they could rise to the top in todays military bureaucracy. The real risk is what we have today – careerists who have chosen to optimize their personal situation at the expense of sound public policy.
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    This is where Rumsfeld comes in. Before Iraq, his agenda was a huge shakeup of the military. He arrived at DOD with both barrels blazing, a skill he no doubt learned from Dick Cheney. A large cadre of careerists who are heavily invested in the current system are going to resist that. Their silence has been a result of correctly assesing Rumsfelds remarkable skills at bureacratic infighting. Remember, the taxpayers spent large sums training these officers about strategy, tactics and the art of determing enemy strength. They hate the guy, they just haven’t been able to get rid of him.
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    General Newbold says he regrets not speaking out sooner, but the truth is, he didn’t, and probably didn’t really consider it. HIs remorse now may be genuine – hard to know without knowing him personally.
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    The good news it that as Rumsfelds stock declines, the political cost of speaking out drops. We may soon get a to a critical mass that is sufficient to get rid of him. Lets hope so.
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  • I just heard on Air America (Thom Hartmann) that we’ve got 1,115 days left to endure the George W. Bush regime. We’ve already been in the Iraq Quagmire for 1,117 days.

    It’s hard to contemplate, but it’s likely – given Bush’s recent comments about dumping the problem on future governments – that we will continue to be in the quagmire, with all it costs us and everybody else, almost precisely as long as we’ve already been there.

    As I said in yesterday’s discussion: George W. Bush is clearly mad. He has no regard for human lives at all, foreign or American; beyond that he doesn’t care about bankrupting future generations while cutting spending on the current one. Capt. Bligh (Mutiny on the Bounty) was saner; Lt. Cmdr. Phillip Francis Queeg (The Caine Mutiny) was saner; Capt. James Sawyer (Mutiny: the Hornblower series) was saner.

    There’s a clear pattern here. All that’s lacking is a crew of sound, courageous officers (Democrat or Republican) willing to risk the necessary mutiny. We clearly can’t stand another three years of this Regal Moron and his witless minions.

  • I’m concerned about Bush and the prospect of action against Iran and I want to expand on a couple of comments I posted earlier today:

    Here’s what I wrote earlier:
    The Dem’s in Congress cannot afford to let Iran become “Iraq – the Sequel.”

    And here’s the new stuff:
    The Dem’s and the nation cannot afford to let this mid-term election empower Bush vis-a-vis Iran – much as the elections in 2000 gave Bush his blank check in Iraq. The Dem’s must be firm and demand that any conversation re: Iran be deferred until after the election – and that’s the way foreign policy questions used to be debated in the US until they were politicized in recent years…

    Historically, the next presidential campaign begins in the January following the mid-terms…it must become a mantra among the Dem nominees that they will “go to Tehran” – much as Nixon went to China – and resolve any standoff peacefully – ie. with a “charm offensive.”

    This will provide the American public with a clear choice – dialogue and negotiation with our opponents…or Bush’s path of unilateral and failed armed force.

    The take-over of the US Embassy in Tehran is – let’s face it – ancient history to a generation of Game Cube players. Tehran has also been helpful to the US against Al Qaeda, providing us with intelligence. But Iran is a helpful target of convenience for Bush as he acts out his wartime presidential role-playing…

    The stakes in Iran are very high and I’m presuming Bush sees an Iranian campaign as essential to restoring his wartime standing…I’m hoping the Dem’s will have the smarts to contain Dubya…

  • I work with the green-suiters every day, and I can avow that I have never heard so much griping about an individual. These were people who cheered when Bush was elected in 2000, because they thought that a Republican in office would be very good for the military. Try going out with a green-suiter when they aren’t in uniform these days, and positive statements are non-existant.

  • “These were people who cheered when Bush was elected in 2000, because they thought that a Republican in office would be very good for the military.” – Castor Troy

    They should have paid closer attention to the whole Bush message. It’s hard to expand the military personnel when you are cutting taxes. Veterans and active duty personnel are taking it on the chin, even without the quadmire of Iraq.

  • I am absolutely opposed to active duty military officers taking a stand against their civilian leadership. As awful as the Bush administration is, that’s a genie that you won’t be able to put back in the bottle. It was bad enough watching them undercut Clinton on gays and Kosovo. What is needed now is a period where those in the military (not, of course, the ones that have left) do what they are told. Don’t disobey orders; if faced with the prospect of having to carry out illegal or even grossly inappropriate orders, resign. Do it publically and with an explanation. Does that mean that there will be other officers who will carry out those orders? Yes, but it raises the political stakes for the administration dramatically if there is a wave of resignations over the matter.

  • Study up on the Roman Republic as it is evident the US is sadly following that blueprint and it seems we are getting close to crossing our own Rubicon.

  • Old CUT-AND-RUMSFELD finally admits failure!

    Now that we have PROOF, from the horse’s mouth, that Bush lied to Us, WE the People when he told our Press he expected Rumsfeld and Cheney to “Stay the Course” of his failed tenure as Pretender to the Presidency and his administration, can we expect to be freed from the fascist yoke of Cheney and Bush’s War of Terror/Assault on Freedom? Is Cheney is next?

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