Won’t someone please think of the children….

So, the [tag]FMA[/tag] failed again today, managing to do slightly worse than about the same as in 2004. How did supporters manage to regress after gaining allies in [tag]Congress[/tag]? I suspect exchanges like this one from a press conference on the Hill help explain part of the problem.

[Sen. Wayne Allard (R-Colo.)] held a news conference Monday at which the speakers said they wanted to reduce the “epidemic level of fatherlessness in America.”

“How would outlawing gay marriage encourage heterosexual fathers to stick around?” was the first question. Allard skirted the question by saying that “laws send a message to our [tag]children[/tag].”

The moderator, Matt Daniels of the Alliance for Marriage, tried to find a question on another subject. But when reporters continued to press Allard on the link between same-sex marriage and deadbeat dads, Daniels blurted out: “All right, you know what? We’re going to call this press conference to a close.”

Rhetorically, at least, supporters of the [tag]amendment[/tag] spent an almost-ridiculous amount of time arguing that gay marriage would lead to children without parents. [tag]Focus on the Family[/tag] ran a series of print ads across the country asking, “Why doesn’t Senator [fill in the blank] believe every child needs a [tag]mother[/tag] and a [tag]father[/tag]?” The ads explained:

“It is a painful but very real truth. Homosexual marriages intentionally create motherless families or fatherless families. But a compassionate society would not deliberately deny a child a mother or father.”

It’s always a mistake to look for logic in far-right claims, but aren’t these arguments geared towards opposition to [tag]gay[/tag] [tag]adoption[/tag]? Taking this approach just one step further, wouldn’t conservatives also want a constitutional amendment banning divorce among couples with children?

On second thought, it’s probably best not to give these guys any ideas.

I don’t understand how 49-48 is “slightly worse” than 48-50. I’ve done a detailed analysis of the differences between the 2004 vote and today’s vote on this amendment.

  • I don’t understand how 49-48 is “slightly worse” than 48-50.

    Good point, KC. I saw the WaPo description, but it’s wrong and you’re right. Thanks.

  • “The difference is explained by the only two senators who actually changed their votes. Gregg and Specter, both Republicans, went from supporting the amendment to opposing it once it was no longer an election year for them.” – KCinDC

    Expediency-dominated flip-floppers to the core.

  • Maybe they’re confusing children with sperm. It is written in the gospel according to Monty Python, and I quote, “Every sperm is sacred.”

    My guess is if Allard wasn’t compelled by law to stay in his marriage, he’d run off and marry the nearest gay man he could find, hence the need for the FMA.

  • “Taking this approach just one step further, wouldn’t conservatives also want a constitutional amendment banning divorce among couples with children?”

    I’d even take it a step further. If you’re a parent, and you die, you should be placed immediately in prison. You’re shirking your responsibilities to your family, “taking the easy way out” as it were. You’re creating a motherless or fatherless family by your selfish decision to die. And you know your spouse will screw that kid up as a result, because apparently, raising a child in a loving tolerant Christian-by-action-if-not-by-religion household JUST ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH, Lazy Bones! Get up out of that coffin and start reading the Bible to your whelps!

  • I don’t think they should have stopped at homosexuals. I think there should be laws against all other manner of minorities marrying. By all means, marriage should be a sacred institution unsullied by the participation of Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, and anyone else not of entirely traceable white Anglo western European parentage. OK, if you are from Northern Europe you can marry, too. But nobody else. Y’hear?

    Oh, and no dentists marrying either regardless of their race or ethnicity. The Chief is a rabid anti-Dentite.

  • No, slappymagoo, I think there’s a more humane solution. If a parent dies, he or she is immediately replaced by a government-selected person of the appropriate sex. That way, all children will always have a mother and a father. Not sure where the replacement parents will come from, though. We’ll probably need to have a draft.

  • “Not sure where the replacement parents will come from, though. We’ll probably need to have a draft.” – KCinDC

    Isn’t that what paternity suits are? Drafts!

    “Last I checked, gays can’t reproduce without someone else joining the process.

    Or did I miss something in biology class?” – Unholy Moses

    Well, Lesbians only need a sprem donor, and they can get that easy enough.

    Daniels and Allard do sound like idiots. Why are they trying to suggest that homosexual marriage encourages men to be deadbeat dads? Are they trying to force gay men into loveless marriages where they have to take responsibility for kids they took no joy in creating? That’s certainly a way to create the next generation of well-balanced children.

  • I’d be curious to see how these evil-incarnate xenophobes would react, if a Democrat-controlled Congress dared to suggest a revised FMA that identifies the sacrament of marriage being between one Democrat and another Democrat. No more procreation by Republicans. Ever. On penalty of being gang-raped by farm animals, sold to a processing plant, and make into an environmentally-friendly agricultural product. Placed into a veggie-bin, and labelled as “Organic.” Being turned into sandwiches and served in coffee-houses all over the United States—coffee-houses frequented by gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transexuals, druids, wiccans, satanists, tree-huggers, Unitarians, and a group of really old guys dreaming about “the good old days in the Soviet Navy.”

    See? It really IS possible to be “just as silly” as these FMA freakazoids—now isn’t it? And, it’s not really a digression from the article—not any more than Allard’s “fatherless children” babblespeak is a digression from the hatefulness of the FMA….

  • Perhaps the conflation of gay marriage with fatherless children stems from their belief that homosexuality is a choice, albeit an evil one, and if gay marriage is banned then gays will choose to be straight so they can have children, which is what God wants them to do. Or something….

  • And, of course, adoption by a single person of any sexuality shouldn’t be allowed.

  • “And, of course, adoption by a single person of any sexuality shouldn’t be allowed.” – Irwin

    That’s why they go to China to get children.

    Have a friend of my wife with two 😉

  • Interesting this conversation does not really discuss whether two lesbians have a child thereby depriving the child of a father.

  • “Last I checked, gays can’t reproduce without someone else joining the process.

    Or did I miss something in biology class?” – Unholy Moses

    Well, Lesbians only need a sprem donor, and they can get that easy enough.

    But if you followed Justice Scalia’s dissenting opinion on “Lawrence v. Texas (which apparently repealed sodomy as an illegal act, meaning homosexuals couldn’t be jailed for consensual gay sex, and heterosexuals who are into that sort of thing are cool to go for it as well), it states:

    State laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers’ validation of laws based on moral choices. Every single one of these laws is called into question by today’s decision; the Court makes no effort to cabin the scope of its decision to exclude them from its holding.

    In other words, in a Scalian Perfect World, lesbians couldn’t get sperm donors, because it would require either the man masturbating which is WRONG, or a woman stimulating the man in order to be impregnated, and unless that lesbian is married to that sperm donor, that would be fornication and/or adultery and WRONG.

    See how much easier life is when you let people like Scalia tell you what is right and what is wrong?

  • Not sure where the replacement parents will come from, though. We’ll probably need to have a draft.

    Clearly, W would tap the National Guard for this “duty”.

  • They are acting as if the only reason people get married is to have children (notice how this manages to ignore discussion of all the other special legal rights that married spouses are entitled to that non-married people don’t get). If this is the case, then logically marriage of persons past child-bearing age should be prohibited and all marriages that fail to produce children after a certain period of time (I don’t know – maybe 9 months and a day?) should be declared forfeit and annulled.

    It’s amazing the primitive view of society these people have – the only possible reason to be a woman is to be a baby-machine and the only possible reason for a woman to want a husband is to have his children.

  • slappymagoo–
    You mean “masturbation” and “fornication” is WRONG and potentially ILLEGAL?!

    Well … there goes my Saturday nights …

  • Actually, they DO want a ban on divorce, with marriages only through the church. And according to Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, they want the death penalty extended to “unchaste” women.

    We don’t call them the American Taliban for no reason, you know?

  • Lance writes: “Are they trying to force gay men into loveless marriages where they have to take responsibility for kids they took no joy in creating? That’s certainly a way to create the next generation of well-balanced children.”

    C’mon Lance, you and Senator Allard know that sex is for procreation. If it was meant for joy, God would ensure that everyone had a date on Saturday night. And our children, God forbid, should not be well-balanced. They should be far, far to the right.

    Andy writes: “If this is the case, then logically marriage of persons past child-bearing age should be prohibited and all marriages that fail to produce children after a certain period of time (I don’t know – maybe 9 months and a day?) should be declared forfeit and annulled.”

    No, no, Andy. Women, thank God, can still cook and clean after their reproductive years are through. It’s just that if you don’t want or can’t have children, you simply shouldn’t have sex. You know, it’s not about the “joy”. Jeez, do Allard and Scalia have to spell everything out for you? Apparently they think so.

    Tom Cleaver writes: “And according to Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, they want the death penalty extended to “unchaste” women.”

    No, Tom. What they meant to say was “unchased” women; women too unattractive to be hit on by a Republican in office (a very low bar). These women will never get married and bear children and so are pretty useless in our modern Christian world.

    Hope this explains everything. 🙂

  • No, no, Andy. Women, thank God, can still cook and clean after their reproductive years are through. It’s just that if you don’t want or can’t have children, you simply shouldn’t have sex. You know, it’s not about the “joy”. Jeez, do Allard and Scalia have to spell everything out for you? Apparently they think so.

    well I wasn’t thinking of the case where a guy would have to give up his maid service once the child-bearing age is past (there still will be children to mother, after all) – I had in mind whenever 2 people past the child-bearing age decide to get married. You know, companionship, spending the “golden years” together, etc. Obviously that’s not a valid reason to get married (unless of course there are children in the family who need a mother or father, of course). I don’t know where you came up with this “sex” thing. Dirty mind…

  • Not sure where the replacement parents will come from, though. We’ll probably need to have a draft.

    Clearly, W would tap the National Guard for this “duty”.

    Comment by Edo — 6/7/2006 @ 2:55 pm

    I disagree. I think this sounds like a no-bid contract job for Halliburton.

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