Murtha responds to Rove

TNR’s Michael Crowley recently noted the odd relationship between Rep. [tag]Jack Murtha[/tag] (D-Pa.) and his progressive friends. Noting Murtha’s generally center/right approach to several policy issues, Crowley understandably calls the congressman an “unlikely liberal [tag]hero[/tag].”

But to understand how and why progressive blogs and a blue-collar “hawk” from Pennsylvania get along so well, consider Murtha’s appearance on [tag]Meet the Press[/tag] yesterday. [tag]Tim Russert[/tag] showed Murtha a speech [tag]Karl Rove[/tag] delivered last week in New Hampshire, in which Rove said Dems believe in “cutting and running.” The draft dodger added that Dems “may be with you at the first shots, but they are not going to be there for the last tough battles.” Murtha responded:

“He’s, he’s in New Hampshire. He’s making a political speech. He’s sitting in his air conditioned office with his [tag]big, fat backside[/tag], saying, ‘[tag]Stay the course[/tag].’ That’s not a plan. I mean, this guy — I don’t know what his military experience is, but that’s a political statement. This is a policy difference between me and the White House. I disagree completely with what he’s saying.

“Now, let’s, let’s — give me, give you an example. When we went to Beirut, I, I said to President Reagan, ‘Get out.’ Now, the other day we were doing a debate, and they said, ‘Well, Beirut was a different situation. We cut and run.’ We didn’t cut and run. President Reagan made the decision to change direction because he knew he couldn’t win it. Even in Somalia, President Clinton made the decision, ‘We have to, we have to change direction.’ Even with tax cuts. When we had a tax cut under Reagan, we then had a tax increase because he had to change direction. We need to change direction. We can’t win a war like this.

“This guy’s sitting back there criticizing — political criticism, getting paid by the public taxpayer, and he’s saying to us, ‘We’re, we’re winning this war, and they’re running.’ We got to change direction, that’s what we have to do. You can’t, you can’t sit there in the air conditioned office and tell these troops they’re carrying 70 pounds on their back inside these armored vessels and hit with IEDs every day, seeing their friends blown up, their buddies blown up, and he says ‘stay the course.’ Yeah, it’s easy to say that from Washington, D.C.”

I mention this for a couple of reasons. One, watching Murtha blast Rove for “sitting in his air conditioned office with his big, fat backside” made me smile. Two, and far more importantly, Murtha is highlighting the fact that the Democratic base frequently responds more to tone than policy positions. Activists and many progressive bloggers are more than willing to put aside issue differences they have with Murtha because he doesn’t take any nonsense from the administration and will not suffer fools kindly. He’s willing to go on Meet the Press and say what many of us are thinking.

Murtha’s voting record may make him an “unlikely liberal hero,” but his willingness to stand up and say what needs to be said about this war should make the admiration so many on the left have for [tag]Murtha[/tag] easy to understand.

“Air conditioned , big, fat backside..”

Dems take notes… that’s how to sink a swiftboater.
Murtha has a black belt in political martial arts.

  • Well, Jack Murtha is not my ‘liberal hero’. Unlike the Republican’ts, I respect him for actually seeing the the outcome of the policy he supported (attacking Iraq) and realizing that it needs to be changed.

    I also respect the fact that he supports the troops and for him that does not mean leaving them out in the desert to die in support of Boy George II’s failed invasion.

    But, for God’s sake, I wish he’d slow his speach down enough to actually sound articulate. He talks so fast I can barely make out his points. That may be necessary on the floor of the House, but it sounds bad on TV, and it seems like he is missing his best opportunities to counter-attack. Particularly, when he was attacked on the floor last week, he might have started with “You’re glad I was not at Normandy? How old do you think I am?” and followed with “So during your service with the JAG, you never fought in Korea or Vietnam? Like I did?”

    As for his conservatism, well that doesn’t matter to the Republican’ts and the Texas Mafia now, so why should it bother me 😉

  • EXACTLY!

    I don’t know much about Murtha except his position on Iraq. And even that I haven’t fully explored the details of his suggested plans. The reason he is respected by me has less to do with the substance of his plans than the fact that he is standing up.

    I’d rather have the Democrats stand up. Period. Even if it means getting smacked down on occasion. Murtha stoofdup early on the War and has taken his lumps. But he has stood his ground.

    I have know use for somebody like Hillary who tries to split the difference and offers no alternatives and has no clear position.

  • Murtha did what the Dems should do when the Reps get in their grill. This isn’t the debate club or a social gathering or some intellectual discussion. It’s a bar fight so grab a stool or pool cue and start swinging.

    I’m sure that Murtha wanted to use a less polite term to describe Rove that was rather common during Murtha’s time in Vietnam: Rear Echelon Mother F’er

    “We were — knee deep in the Big Muddy,
    But the big fool said to push on.”

  • Dems made a deal with the devil when they went along with Bush’s war plans rather than risking being called unpatriotic for opposing it in the first place. Even if the administration’s reasons for invading Iraq had been true, there were reasons for not doing it when and how Bush did. So, the Dems appeared cowardly to the left.

    Now, they appear cowardly to the right because they want to get out without regard to the situation they’d leave behind. When the right says Dems have given up on success, there’s truth in what they say. There’s also truth in saying you can’t run a military operation by time-based deadlines.

    If the Dems could come up with milestones — specific conditions that the US and the Iraq’s must meet by specified, reasonable dates — it seems to me they’d have a much better case to present to the American people. And they just might get some Republican support in Congress.

    Just my thoughts today at noon….

  • Unless Murtha is a rube — and I don’t think he is — he knew the Republican slime machine would activate when he first questioned Iraq war strategy. That he’s fighting back says much about his honesty and courage. Just because he’s a respected vet, it doesn’t mean other Dems don’t have a right and obligation to follow suit. Tough talk *that can be backed up* is music to my ears and a service to the nation. All too often the Dems’ thunder sounds like whining. We need more “Give ’em hell Harrys.” Lest we forget, Truman said, “I don’t give ’em hell. I tell the truth and they think it’s hell.”

  • Murtha is a hero to liberals because he’s exactly what current Dem leadership isn’t: unafraid of Republicans. The fact that this is a mystery to anybody just shows how far out the current leadership is.

    Let the Dem leadership keep clinging to the rail on the Titanic, afraid to let go lest lose their bearings as the ship slides inevitably to to ocean floor. Such is the fate of cowards.

  • I want to call further attention to the article on tribalism which I posted late yesterday afternoon.

    Murtha is surely correct about our being unable to win this war. First, because it isn’t a war (it’s an invasion with no way out). Secondly because to the extent there is a war it’s inter-tribal; we’re just non-believing outsiders (i.e., devils). I don’t think it has to do with tactics or even strategery. Iraq could only be controlled by someone like Saddam (or the 19th century British or Caesar or Alexander). We’re better off minding our own business (which includes finding alternatives to oil).

  • “He’s sitting in his air conditioned office with his big, fat backside”

    This will be the only part of the clip that the MSM will show on the evening news, ignoring WHY Murtha said it, and have it followed by one of the administration’s apologists smugly saying how the Democrats are having to resort to “personal attacks” because they’re losing the argument on Iraq.

    Karl Wormtongue will then find some way to “swiftboat” Murtha, just like they did to Max Cleland and John Kerry.

    Is there no hope left?

  • 2Manchu:

    I keep asking the same thing — is there any hope left? Your description of traditional response in on-target. More and more, I feel like that kind of response is accepted because most Americans just don’t care. Don’t care and haven’t grasped the magnitude of a debacle that has resulted in our *continuing* loses of alliances, treasure, military preparedness and morale, constitutional government, regional stability, lives and limbs, and more.

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