Who’s going to win the fight over the flag?

In less than an hour, the Senate is scheduled to start debate on the weakest culture-war fight of them all: a [tag]constitutional amendment[/tag] to [tag]ban[/tag] [tag]flag[/tag] “[tag]desecration[/tag].” At this point, the measure has 66 supporters in the Senate. If it gets a 67th, the [tag]amendment[/tag] will go to the states where it almost certainly will be ratified.

I’ve done a few dozen posts on the subject during the 109th Congress, starting 17 months ago in which I predicted that this was something to worry about. Alas, I was right about this one.

I’m going to assume that you already know the various reasons this amendment has no business being written into constitutional stone, but instead take a look at the political reality. Is this thing going to pass?

Of the 55 Republicans in the Senate, three are on record opposing the amendment: Robert Bennett (Utah), Lincoln Chafee (R-R.I.), and Mitch McConnell (R-Ken.). At a minimum, these three should make it a little tougher for leading proponents of the measure to blast every opponent as some kind of anti-American traitor.

Of the 45 Dems in the Senate (44 plus Jeffords), 14 have expressed their support: Sens. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), Mark Dayton (D-Minn.), Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Tim Johnson (D-S.D.), Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), Ken Salazar (D-Colo.), and Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.).

As The Note reported today, Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) is apparently “on the fence,” but if he falls on the wrong side, he’ll bring the total to 67. But, that includes Jay Rockefeller, who is scheduled to return to work this week after spending several months recovering from back surgery. If Rockefeller doesn’t make it back in time, his absence might still leave proponents a vote shy, even if Carper joins the majority.

The real angle to watch is who, if anyone, might switch to a “no” vote if it appeared that this scheme was actually going to pass.

Most of the 14 Dems who have offered their support are either a) among the less-liberal members of the caucus; b) up for re-election this year; or c) from a “red” state where this might be used against them.

There’s one exception to the rule: Minnesota’s Mark Dayton, who is retiring at the end of the year. Dayton is among the 66 supporters of the measure, but given his departure, and his stated desire not to seek public office again, he need not fear political consequences — Dayton can do the right thing, leave the Constitution in tact, and switch sides.

Dayton recently expressed some frustration with his one term in office, telling reporters that he wishes he had generated more of an impact during his tenure. By changing his mind on this one issue, Dayton can be a hero and block the first-ever constitutional change to the Bill of Rights. I sincerely doubt Dayton will want to look back at his only term and say, “The most important constitutional vote that I cast was one that weakened the First Amendment.” If you live in Minnesota, it might be worth taking a moment to give his office a call to offer some words of encouragement.

And there’s one other angle to this to remember: there’s an alternative measure available. Sens. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Bob Bennett (R-Utah), both of whom oppose the constitutional amendment, have crafted federal legislation that would criminalize certain cases of [tag]flag desecration[/tag].

The Flag Protection Act (S. 1370), introduced on July 1, would make it a crime to damage someone else’s flag — including those owned by the federal government — or to damage a flag in a way that promotes violence. The Republican senator from Utah said he wanted to make it clear that he doesn’t support flag-burning, but he does support the constitutional rights of expression symbolized by the United States flag.

“My objection to a constitutional amendment should not be construed as demonstrating indifference to the issue of reverence for the flag,” he said.

Senators who want to do the right thing but are afraid of the politics can vote against the amendment but for the “Flag Protection Act” alternative, which would offer some cover to Dems in tough re-election fights.

In the end, I’m cautiously optimistic that cooler heads will prevail — as they always have — and this solution to a problem that doesn’t exist will be defeated once again. That said, we’ve never been closer to undermining the First Amendment as we are this week.

Diane Feinstein….

Shtik fleysh mit oygn…

  • Shtik fleysh mit oygn…

    Agreed. I’m used to mishigas in the Senate, but Feinstein has no excuse.

  • Thanks for the tip. Just finished writing off a message to Senator Dayton, and I’ll do my best to harass friends to do the same.

  • Yes, thanks for the tip. Just wrote a note to Senator Lincoln. In her topics list, it wasn’t even listed. It’s incredible that we have to spend any time on these ridiculous right-wing wedge issues! Come on!!!

  • Because of the recent massive outbreak of flag burning the GOP is NOT pushing this amendmentt for political reasons,but because they are so concerned about air pollution.

  • Feinstein?! Are you kidding?

    Is she up for reelection this year? I don’t recall seeing her on the primary ballot.

  • We’ll then have to rename the Bill of Rights “The Bill of Rights and Non-Rights.” What a crock … and what a sign of how much fear our legislators are cowed by to fall for such a cheap political ploy. Someone needs to ask, “So what is the punishment for such a crime?” Should be a hoot to hear what the fate of an alleged flag-burner would be.

  • This is awesome. Finally, we will join the ranks of such nations as China and Iran! It’s about time we held ourselves up to such lofty ideals. We should just scrap the whole Bill of Rights and come up with a list of Dos and Don’ts. Doesn’t that sound better anyway?

    Oh, and Hillary, Bob, let me be the first to tell you that it is already a crime to destroy someone elses anything, let alone flag.

    It is more clear everyday that sanity, reality, and intelligence are precious commodities not found often within our representation.

  • My excitement over the possibility of our replacing Lieberman in the Senate with Lamont is counterbalanced by the thought of having Feinstein there for six more years. California–such a large state–and no one to give a respectable challenge. Wasn’t she almost defeated the last time by a Repub congressman named Campbell who was (oxymoron) a sensible Repub, anti-war etc. and not supported by his party? I’m a non-afiliated voter and wish he would run against her again. She is the female version of Lieberman–I’ll never forgive her for voting for Bush’s prescription plan for the elderly. Now the doddering old fool is occupied by Seersucker Thursdays and flag-burning ammendments. And I’m a 63 year old woman so no complaints about my being biased.

  • I dispatched hasty (but eloquent and persuesive) emails to both Senator Dayton and Senator Coleman before I left work. I doubt Coleman will change his mind he’s a real tool. Dayton continues to suck like a (Herbert) Hoover. This guy basically bought his seat with his own money and his family name. he has spent the last six years doing jack and now his last act is going to be to blow his nose on freedom of speech. I have a feeling that he better keep a real low profile around here if he votes for this and it passes. We may talk funny but Minnesotans don’t put up with BS for BS’s sake.

    PS. I was happy to see my tax dollars hard at work on my commute home today. Two state troopers blocking the on ramp to a major interstate because the Big Dick is in town to raise money for Michelle “I hate gays” Bachman’s run for the house. I wish I had the $1000 to pay so I could get a picture of myself with Cheney. I’d be Lindey England and Cheney would be an evil doer.

  • I really should care, this amendment is like tearing a little piece out of the Bill of Rights. After 5 years of the administration ripping the Constitution to shreds, though, it’s hard to get outraged just because they’re throwing away another piece.

    This is just one more small sign that we are in our swift decline phase as a powerful nation.

  • How people can get excited about a colored rag is beyond me. It just doesn’t compute. I have to write a book someday called “Things I Don’t Get.” Religion will be chapter one, but reverence for flags and other symbols will be right up there.

  • Well hark, it’s a pride/nationalism thing. It’s the idea that, no matter how muddled things on the ground get, we still have a clear definition of what we are.

    Also, might I suggest a chapter for your book? “The Popularity of Dane Cook”.

  • “We should just scrap the whole Bill of Rights and come up with a list of Dos and Don’ts.” – doubtful

    Careful there, doubtful. We could end up having the BoR replaced by the Ten Commandments! 😉

  • ***We could end up having the BoR replaced by the Ten Commandments! ;)***
    Curmudgeon

    Hmmm…so, all these goofs worshiping the flag would be guilty of idolatry. It’s that “having another god before God” thing. Would we then be permitted to smite these dastardly heathens?

  • i grew up during world war 2 / us neighborhood kids raised money to buy a flag to put up in our yard / we took turns raising the flag at sunrise and taking it down at sunset / we never left her out in the rain / we never saw her on paper plates or napkins or t shirts or sheets or bikini bottoms

    i also grew up before Under God was put in the pledge

    i am going to go burn a flag now

  • Thanks, Mr. CB, for the information. I sent the following to my Senator today:

    “Dear Senator Stabenow,

    “It has come to my attention today that you are one of 14 Democratic Senators likely to support the proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States to ban so-called flag desecration. I am disappointed in your apparent position on this obvious ploy by the Republicans to divide America, yet again, on a bait-and-switch issue.

    “The G.O.P. can’t govern, or manage a war, or protect the environment, yet they can sure as heck keep America distracted and divided, all to their political advantage rather than for the common good of every-day Americans. That you would consider being complicit in such a cynical and destructive effort is appaling; should you in fact vote to ratify the proposal to amend the Constitution it would, in fact, be a violation of your oath to UPHOLD the Cosntitution.

    “There are at least two good reasons to turn away this awful, divisive effort by the Repulblicans. First, at a time when our civil liberties and civil rights are under assault as never before, to take away one of the basic rights that so many patriots died to secure — the right to protest our government and to speak freely while doing so (even in a symbolic way) — is unconscionable.

    “Second, when the Supreme Court of the United States is continuing its rightward drift and its resultant cutting back on our civil liberties, why would you consider helping them to further limit our freedoms? Flag burning is NOT a problem…. it just doesn’t happen as it did 40 years ago. So, the only reasons to adopt this proposal are symbolic — to force one to adopt a loyalty oath…. and to divide Americans while hiding the Repulicans’ abject failure to do anything to help ordinary Americans.

    “It truly is hypocritical for those who swear, as part of their oath of office, to defend the Constitution now want to use their offices to restrict that very same Constitution. The very right to protest is at the heart of the First Amendment; to curtail it in a way that even the Supreme Court has not chosen to do is to gut it of its meaning.

    “This proposal bans flag burning; what’s next? Anti-Bush bumper stickers? Billboards that state that Sen. _____ is a traitor? Protests on the Washington Mall? Modern day versions of the Alien and Sedition Laws? These people now in power want to retain that power at any cost, including elimination of our right to know what they are doing in our names, and our right to protest what they are doing.

    “The essense of liberty is the right to protest what our government is doing and failing to do to protect and assist its citizens. That right is most precious when the protestors are ones we find disgusting and objectionable. Freedom and liberty demand that we tolerate such actions.

    “It is not hyperbole when I say that our democracy is dying, being strangled by the Bush Administration’s efforts to secrete all of their actions, the use of illegal and secret spying programs on our citizens, and a Congress that is more interested in being a rubber stamp and getting elected than in carrying out its responsibilities as a co-equal branch of government. You were elected to protect and defend Americans, not those in power, and certainly not to pursue any perceived need to be anything but a fully empowered DEMOCRAT.

    “I urge you to reconsider your apparent support for this gutting of the Bill of Rights. VOTE NO on this latest effort to desecrate the Constitution.”

  • Bravo for you, Katherine Hunter.

    And Analytical Liberal, I hope you don’t mind that I borrowed liberally from your post to email my own senator (Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)) about what an outrage this is.

    Michael W

  • I’ve sent a letter and email to Senator Warner on this issue already. Allen, him I consider a lost cause. And as Steve points out, and Idolator doomed to burn in hell.

  • Steve said “Hmmm…so, all these goofs worshiping the flag would be guilty of idolatry. It’s that “having another god before God” thing. Would we then be permitted to smite these dastardly heathens?”

    I think the flag will only weed out the few remaining Republicans who don’t hold the “almighty” dollar as a false god. Come judgement day they ate going to have some ‘splainin’ to do.

  • Vanquishing strawmen flagburners
    wearing their flag like a halloween costumes
    our patriot polititians fiddle around while the middle class melts, the planet heats and Iraq burns.

  • The irony is that if this ridiculous amendment passes, it will set off a wave of flag-burning such as this country has never seen before. More flags will burn in the first week after passage than have burned in our entire history.

  • Do these filthy Senators really NEED to receive letters explaining the meaning of the 1st amendment to them?

    It should be a given that no US Senator, not even a typical filthy republican pig, would support taking such a blatent stink bomb of a shit on the United States Constitution.

  • The Roman republic collapsed because the Senate became spineless and corrupt. It’s deja vu all over again.

  • I did not know that Senator Stabenow supported this crap, but I am also contacting her first thing this morning. Thanks for the talking points AL.

  • Burn an American flag in front of me – you have a problem. Our flag is a symbol of this country. I am an American, a Vietnam vet, a republican, and a patriot, can you say the same? I don’t agree with OUR current administration on everything, but they are OUR ELECTED government. If you are pissed off at them – change it – VOTE. Maybe the Democrats will put up a viable candidate this next time. Not a traitor, not Hillery, but someone the PEOPLE, (all the PEOPLE) can get behind.

  • Mike at 30:

    People who oppose a Constitutional amendment against flag burning come from all walks of life but share a common principle–that any infringement against our guaranteed rights, such as the right to political protest–is anti-American. We are all patriotic Americans. That being said, based on the low level of flag burning in this country, most people (including me) who oppose a flag burning amendment don’t go out and burn the flag in protest and, indeed, don’t have any interest in burning the flag in protest. (Full disclosure: As a Girl Scout, I took place in flag burning ceremonies to retire old flags.)

  • kali:

    … our patriot polititians fiddle around while the middle class melts, the planet heats and Iraq burns.

    About as perfect a precis as I’ve seen

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