How the Internet works, by Sen. Ted Stevens

If you haven’t read Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Ted Stevens’ (R-Alaska) explanation on why he opposes net neutrality, you’re missing out on a deeply disconcerting perspective. He asked, for example, “what happens to your own personal internet” when someone else tries to download 10 movies at the same time.

“I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o’clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially. […]

“They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the internet. And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It’s not a truck. It’s a series of tubes.”

Now, Ted Stevens is 85 years old, so it stands to reason that he won’t fully understand the Internet. It can get complicated. But as Christy Hardin Smith noted, Stevens, as chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, “is in charge of the bills that, among other things, control the internet.”

Stevens is not only commenting on key issues like net neutrality without understanding the details of the issue, he’s shaping the government’s policy.

The audio is here. It ain’t pretty.

this is why we need term limits

  • Aargh! That really scares me. It’s not just Stevens, it’s most of congress–it’s most lawmakers in fact. There is a stunning “get-it” gap and it seems (anecdotally) to be drawn at about 45 years of age. Most lawmakers are over 45 years old and so basically don’t understand the “tubes.”

    I sometimes speak on panels and give presentations to non-tech audiences about blogging/podcasting/vlogging, etc. and I always ask for a show of hands from people who: read blogs regularly, know what a podcast is, have a MySpace page, have uses Flickr, Delicious, etc. Those over 45 typically keep their hands down, those under 45 typically raise them. I know it’s a vast generalization, but it’s still pretty scary to think that the laws that will govern web 6.0 are being made by people like Stevens.

  • God help us! I would like to see someone pose a simple question to all Republicans running for office in November…”Do you support Senator Ted Stevens’ position on Net Neutrality?”

    Everyone who says yes because they haven’t heard his comments and have likely not read the bill will be on the record looking alike out of touch idiots. I cannot imagin comments like this will play well with the under 30 voting block.

    PS. Would whoever is on the phone please get off I am expecting a call!

  • I remember a Dilbert cartoon from many years ago where the pointy-haired boss is looking around on the floor while holding two ends of network co-ax cable. Dilbert tells Wally, “I told him his token ring fell out.”

  • It is kind of funny that the site with the audio appears to have server overload problems.

  • TUBES???? Are you shitting me?????

    Does he also have Jiffy Lube replace the halogen fluid in his headlights?

    And what ISP takes over a day to send an e-mail? Telegraphs were faster than that over 150 years ago.

  • “There is a stunning “get-it” gap and it seems (anecdotally) to be drawn at about 45 years of age.” – Bill Simmon

    Watch It!

    You young whippersnapper!

    Okay, I’m not THAT old 😉

  • Just like some states require teachers to pass a competency test every so often…we should make Congresspeople take a test to make sure they know enough to actually legislate on the bills under their purview.

  • *shudders at such terrible misuse of such technical terms like Internet*

    First of all, the Internet is a proper noun! It’s capitalized. There is only one Internet, the Internet.

    Second, ah screw it. If they can’t even figure out what “Internet” means…

    I read Slashdot regularly, and they often link to this columnist, Robert Cringely, and the last column of his offered some interesting insights into the issue. It’s a somewhat utopian idea of what should be done, but it sounds like it definitely should be this way – a system of empowered consumers who own their own “last mile” pipes and can choose who they hook into at the nearest switching station, rather than the current monopolistic model.

    http://www.pbs.org/cringely/

    Also, always recommended viewing, particularly for Sen Stevens, Ask A Ninja explains Net Neutrality.

    http://www.askaninja.com/news/2006/05/11/ask-a-ninja-special-delivery-4-net-neutrality

  • His being 85 years old is no excuse. I know plenty of people in their mid-80s who not only know how to use their computers and do e-mail, but can even figure out ATM cards at the supermarket checkout line, and have the right time on their VCRs and DVD players.

    That he’s a Republican and thus a Moron is a more likely reason.

    “Consider an idiot, then consider a Congressman. Ah, but I repeat myself.” — Mark Twain (1876)

  • Hate to tell you this, Mr. Simmon, but I have a personal e-mail list of over 300, and it’s likely that 200 of them are over 45, and they ALL know all that stuff.

    It also happens to be a well-known fact that the majority of those who read blogs are OVER 45.

    Respectfully yours,

    TC
    Technologically-literate Auld Phart

  • “It’s a series of tubes.” Hard to tell if Ted means those tubes in stores which used to convey the cash up to the office and return the change, or the vacuum tubes in old radios and primitive computers.

    When I first came to Western Washington University, in 1970, our Sociology/Anthropology department was low on funds (what’s new?) and decided that, in order to continue renting films for classroom use, they’d have to axe our single keyboard connection to the campus IBM 790 computer. Cut off, I seriously considered looking for another job.

    As it turned out, I learned far more by walking over to the computer science, math, and physics departments in the building which housed that 790 than by hanging around the department. I’ve always loved computers and computer technology. I loved programming in all forms. When the internet came along I got into that right away. Before graphics were possible I created images in ASCII (e.g.). I loved animation when that became possible. I was the first on my campus to use the internet for courses (posting test results, email with students, e.g.). My “colleagues” used to accuse me, in annual evaluations, of “playing on the internet”, but the Dean of Arts and Sciences released me half time to teach all the academic departments and their administrative assistants how to design webpages. I published a compendium of my research online (in there’s a description of the hopelessly crude methods we were fortunate to use back in the ’70s and somewhat later).

    Now that corporations own the media, the internet remains the best hope for Progressives in this country. FWIW, this sixty-six-y/o still finds computers fascinating, and I sincerely the Democrats gain control before the issue of Net Neutrality is decided.

  • And what ISP takes over a day to send an e-mail? Telegraphs were faster than that over 150 years ago.” – 2Manchu

    Funny that you say that, because government servers can actually take that long. I’ve received day old e-mails before, presumably due to the intense virus/worm scanning that is performed combined with the fact that government technology and work effort is considerably less than what you would find in the private sector.

  • To follow up. Slashdot covered this event as well.

    Technically-savvy discussion of Stevens’ inanity:

    http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/06/07/03/0643238.shtml

    It’s truly frightening that this is the kind of person who is making decisions about the nature of the Internet.

    Here’s the full Stevens quote from CB’s link:

    There’s one company now you can sign up and you can get a movie delivered to your house daily by delivery service. Okay. And currently it comes to your house, it gets put in the mail box when you get home and you change your order but you pay for that, right.

    But this service isn’t going to go through the interent and what you do is you just go to a place on the internet and you order your movie and guess what you can order ten of them delivered to you and the delivery charge is free.

    Ten of them streaming across that internet and what happens to your own personal internet?

    I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o’clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why?

    Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially.

    So you want to talk about the consumer? Let’s talk about you and me. We use this internet to communicate and we aren’t using it for commercial purposes.

    We aren’t earning anything by going on that internet. Now I’m not saying you have to or you want to discrimnate against those people […]

    The regulatory approach is wrong. Your approach is regulatory in the sense that it says “No one can charge anyone for massively invading this world of the internet”. No, I’m not finished. I want people to understand my position, I’m not going to take a lot of time. [?]

    They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the internet. And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It’s not a truck.

    It’s a series of tubes.

    And if you don’t understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and its going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

    Now we have a separate Department of Defense internet now, did you know that?

    Do you know why?

    Because they have to have theirs delivered immediately. They can’t afford getting delayed by other people.

    […]

    Now I think these people are arguing whether they should be able to dump all that stuff on the internet ought to consider if they should develop a system themselves.

    Maybe there is a place for a commercial net but it’s not using what consumers use every day.

    It’s not using the messaging service that is essential to small businesses, to our operation of families.

    The whole concept is that we should not go into this until someone shows that there is something that has been done that really is a viloation of net neutraility that hits you and me.

    LOL. The DoD has their own seperate intranet because that’s the best way they can guarantee the secrecy of their information, and thank goodness they do because otherwise innumerable Russian hackers are waiting in the wings to “hack their Gibson’s”.

  • It’s not using the messaging service that is essential to small businesses, to our operation of families.

    Scary, now the Republicans are blaming the breakdown of the family unit on slow internet.

  • I think Senator Stevens wants to use his tubes for uranium enrichment centrifuges. Ship the bastard off to Gitmo and waterboard him, let’s get the straight story here!

    What a maroon…

  • People, people, people, you’re all missing the point. What we need is a small community in Alaska that needs ‘an internet’, and we will have Net Neutrality. Sort of an ‘Internet to Nowhere’.

  • Tom Cleaver wrote…

    …but I have a personal e-mail list of over 300, and it’s likely that 200 of them are over 45, and they ALL know all that stuff.

    It also happens to be a well-known fact that the majority of those who read blogs are OVER 45.

    Well, in my defense, I DID say I was generalizing and speaking anecdotally several times. Of course I don’t mean EVERYONE over 45 doesn’t get it, but that in my not unlimited experience that seems to be where the line is drawn among non-tech folks.

    Also, the majority of people who read blogs are over 45??? Um, care to cite that one? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that.

  • I suspect he isn’t speaking of vacuum tubes. It seems like someone tried to explain to him how QOS and/or bandwidth works and used the analogy of stuffing stuff – movies, e-mail – into tubes. So if someone is downloading a large file like a movie then the “tube” isn’t going to be able to fit anymore data into it unless they can use QOS to throttle how much bandwidth is given to the movie so the “internet”/e-mail can get to you faster.

    Though I’m kinda impressed in how many different types of “internet” there are according to him.

  • “And what ISP takes over a day to send an e-mail? Telegraphs were faster than that over 150 years ago.” – 2Manchu

    Well, an e-mail message could have got tangled in his spam/virus filter. Or there might have been some sort of power problem (all that rain?) somewhere.

    But… Forgive me 2Manchu… You need to read his quote carefully to see what’d *really* happened:

    “I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff

    Now… sending/receiving an e-mail shouldn’t take all that long, but sending “an internet” is a whole new ball of fiberoptics. If I were the senator, I’d fire the idiot staff who caused all this…

  • I was surprised myself to discover that statement about who reads blogs. I don’t remember where I saw it but I suspect it was on a discussion thread at The Next Hurrah or at Political Animal, and within the past 4-6 weeks, since my short term memory looks like swiss cheese out in the sun too long after about six weeks.

  • I don’t remember where I saw it but I suspect it was on a discussion thread at The Next Hurrah or at Political Animal, and within the past 4-6 weeks, since my short term memory looks like swiss cheese out in the sun too long after about six weeks.

    Yeah, your memory goes when you get old… 😉 I kid. I’m a 36 year-old curmudgeon with bad memory and aching joints and I’m one to talk.

    Anyway, I’ll take you at your word that you read the statement on the tubes, er… internets, but that’s not the same thing as the statistic being a “well known fact.” I’m just sayin.’

  • Couple of points.

    I think that I read the same survey that Tom did and I was initially suprised myself. But if you think about it it makes sense. After all, us somewhat oldsters are from a generation that places a high value on reading.

    Also, the term ‘pipe’ is part of the jargon used by computer networking people and designates how much bandwidth a connection will carry. As in ‘the size of the pipe (sometimes it’s the geek equivalent of what do you have under the hood). I could easily see how pipe could be morphed into tube. But as someone who has knowledge in the technical field, Stevens doesn’t know what he’s talking about and made himself sound like an idiot.

  • TL,
    It slipped my mind that we were talking about the US government. I’m sure somewhere in that tangle of red tape you’d find a 200 page manual on how to wipe your ass, with diagrams, and photos.

    libra,
    I didn’t catch that the first time I read it. I guess I’m hardwired to automatically think “e-mail” whenever someone says “sent” in the electronic sense.

  • Does he worry about electricity leaking out of sockets?

    P.S. What does LOL mean?

    P.P.S. We have to give it to him, though — he’s creased us up a bit. #17 and #23 were bad news for visibility.

  • You all seem to be missing the point here…my internet took four days to get on my tv screen and by then it was too late….I hear these kids are getting movies….30 at a time…delivered at home on their computers through the mailbox…who sends these letter movies?! Do you think this is all free? Tubes cost money that could be used for Google searches….and three at a time will cost me internet mailbox…four a time…

    tubes and….10 a time…dumping…truck…

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