End-times ‘expert’ talks to CNN — and who else?

Just to follow up on yesterday’s item, [tag]CNN[/tag]’s interest in characterizing recent world events as some kind of Biblical [tag]apocalypse[/tag] is quickly becoming ridiculous. As Media Matters noted, the network’s coverage is enough to wonder if it’s CNN or CBN.

For the second time in three days, CNN featured a segment on the potential coming of the Apocalypse, as indicated by current conflicts in the Middle East. The July 26 edition of CNN’s Live From … featured a nine-minute segment in which anchor Kyra Phillips discussed the Apocalypse and the Middle East with Christian authors [tag]Jerry Jenkins[/tag] and [tag]Joel C. Rosenberg[/tag] — who share the view that the Rapture is nigh. At one point in the discussion, Phillips asked Rosenberg whether she needed “to start taking care of unfinished business and telling people that I love them and I’m sorry for all the evil things I’ve done,” to which Rosenberg replied: “Well, that would be a good start.” Throughout the segment, the onscreen text read: “Apocalypse Now?”

This must be some kind of major ratings booster because there’s no sensible reason for CNN to devote nine minutes to the subject twice in three days. Of course, it’s also worth noting that the network’s discussion featured two “experts” on the subject — both of whom agree that we may be witnessing some kind of [tag]end-times[/tag] [tag]prophecy[/tag]. We’re still waiting for the nine-minute segment from two skeptics who explain that this is total nonsense.

But as it turns out, that’s not the part of the CNN interview that bothered me most.

This was:

Rosenberg claimed that he had been invited to the White House, Capitol Hill, and the CIA to discuss the Rapture and the Middle East, and noted — several times — that the apocalyptic events described in his novels keep coming true.

In fact, Rosenberg said he’d been invited to speak with officials at the highest levels of the federal government — as well as Middle East officials — all of whom “want to understand the Middle East through the lens of biblical prophecies.”

Now, it’s possible that Rosenberg just wanted to exaggerate his significance. It’s likely his only access to the White House and Congress is from public tours. But if Rosenberg’s telling the truth, and public officials really have invited him to share his “ideas” about current events, then the problem is far worse than what’s become of CNN’s absurd standards for what constitutes news.

In the End Times, if I remember this properly, the anti-Christ rises and presents himself as a God-fearing Christian and tricks people into following him and committing unspeakable evil. Eventually his followers are no longer on the side of God.

Sound like anyone we know?

  • He’s probably exaggerating his importance, but that would explain our “strategy” in the middle east.

  • It should be called Apocalypse Again. It’s the Hatfields and the McCoys middle-east style.

  • Since everyone has a blog today, it is should be no surprise that Rosenberg has one. Here is his profile.

    Joel C. Rosenberg is the New York Times best-selling author of THE LAST JIHAD (2002), THE LAST DAYS (2003), THE EZEKIEL OPTION (2005), and THE COPPER SCROLL (2006) with more than one million copies in print. THE EZEKIEL OPTION was named by the ECPA as the Gold Medallion winner of the “Best Novel of 2006.” Joel previously served as a senior advisor to several U.S. and Israeli leaders, including Steve Forbes, Rush Limbaugh, former Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Natan Sharansky, and former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He has been interviewed on more than 300 radio and TV shows, including ABC’s “Nightline,” CNN Headline News, Fox News Channel, MSNBC, The History Channel, the Michael Reagan Show, the Rush Limbaugh Show and the Sean Hannity Show. Joel’s first non-fiction book, EPICENTER: Why The Current Rumblings In The Middle East Will Change Your Future, will be released October 1, 2006.

    From the blog:

    At 3:15pm, I’ll be on CNN’s “Live From…” with Kyra Phillips. Author Jerry Jenkins of the LEFT BEHIND novel series and I will discuss our new books (THE RAPTURE and THE COPPER SCROLL, respectively) and the topic: “Is the fighting in Israel increasing interest in the End Times?”

    The quick answer: Yes. Curiosity about the End Times is definitely spiking, and not just among Christians. Believe it or not, I’m finding that mainstream reporters and producers along with a growing number of U.S. and foreign political leaders are fascinated by the issue.
    Over the past year, I’ve been invited to speak at the White House, to Members of Congress, to Congressional chiefs of staff, to CIA officials and to diplomats and other leaders from Israel and even Arab countries about the link between Middle East events and Bible prophecy. They’ve been asking because my novels keep having an eerie way of foreshadowing actual coming events, and each of my novels are based on End Times prophecies that could indicate the return of Jesus Christ is drawing near.

    I think he’s telling the truth. Remember General Boykin? The loony tunes are running the show today.

  • That should be I think he’s telling the truth about visiting the White House. Not that his novels have “an eerie way of foreshodowing the truth”.

  • I would argue that it is news that hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Americans believe that we’re in the home stretch of human history. And you have to admit, “Apocalypse Now?” is an eye-catcher, which is all its purpose was.

    And it shouldn’t be that disturbing that the White House brings in Premillenialists for current events discussions. At least it shouldn’t be any more disturbing that Bush has consulted with Michael Crighton on climate change.

    Eh, maybe my outrage meter has officially pegged.

  • “….both of whom agree that we may be witnessing some kind of end-times prophecy.” – Mr. CB

    Prophecy ain’t reality. I wonder what sponsor’s advertisement followed this astute and erudite segment? I wonder if that sponsor is ready to fold up their tent in anticipation of THE END? I wonder; if they refuse to pay CNN for their advertising, will CNN say that’s OK ’cause we’re not going to be here much longer anyway? Ha-Ha, yeah, like hell! I don’t watch CNN because I don’t have cable so I haven’t seen these pieces. But I’d sure pay attention to who’s advertising close to this crap and then contact those advertisers and ask them if they’re as ready to cash it in as CNN seems to be.

  • This is all a bunch of nonsense. If these bible thumpers actually paid attention to the book they read, they would know that it states:

    (KJV) Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    (KJV) Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    Idiots, all of them.

  • ” Believe it or not, I’m finding that mainstream reporters and producers along with a growing number of U.S. and foreign political leaders are fascinated by the issue.”

    SO even the guy who fuels the fire that drives the loonies is surprised that the non-fringe element of the country want to hear what he has to say. Great.

    How incredible is it that this biblical novelist can capture th einterest of the MSM and government leaders because of a war in the Middle East (because that is such a rare event) but Al Gore has been talking about global warming for decades and we are now inundated with hurricanes, drought, floods, heat waves etc. etc. and the MSM and government leaders are making a concerted effort to confuse and obfuscate the issue.

    A perfect example of Republican leadership in action.

  • Will they bring these guys back the next time that there’s an earthquake somewhere as another examply of the “eerie way” the :prophesies” are coming true?

    I’d also like to know a little bit more about the “evil things” that Kyra Phillips says she’s done. Yum…

  • Herr Hitler surrounded himself with psychic specialists.

    Herr Bush surrounds himself with rapture-specialists.

    Coincidence? Methinks not. In this case, it’s merely another fine example of “a cross is a cross…is a cross, whether straight, or bent….”

  • The “End Times” were supposed to happen in the generation living at the time the time the concept was written into the Bible: “Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.” (Matthew 23:36 KJV)

    Didn’t happen. Ain’t gonna happen. Nonsense.

  • One of my favourite things about the whole rapture philosophy is the use of “rapture” as a verb (or maybe that’s a transitive verb?), as in “I cain’t wait to be raptured up!”

    I also remember reading long ago, in the days of the Hal Lindsey books, that there was some kind of definitive number attached to the rapture, i.e., only a certain number of people would get “raptured up!” (love it). But I’ve been googling around and can’t seem to find any references to this. Anyone got a relevant link?

    thanks

  • I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true to the extent that the Bushies talked to him…after all, didn’t Dubya call in Michael Crichton for in depth analysis of the facts of global warming?

  • It’s kind of scary to hear that these types are getting a hearing at the CIA. Unless, of course, it’s just the CIA’s desire to analyze this movements motives and intentions.

  • Pete:

    I propose then a strategy to select the day:

    Convince (ie. brainwash) a given, large number of people that they each “know” the right day, but a day that you select. For each person in this group, select a different day, starting from now. Leave the day you want the second coming to occur on, and leave a hole in your group programming on that day. Thus, god must select that day, or a day after the last day programmed into the group. You may then change the day anytime you want by programming another person to either fill the hole or add to the end of the time period.

  • Oh my God! Fighting in the Middle East! Who would have thought that would ever happen!

  • Over at Democratic Underground someone had a beautiful idea:

    Okay, who wants to stage a series of fake “Raptures” across the country?

    The idea is to make it appear like people are ascending to heaven, leaving piles of their clothes behind.

    Extra points for doing this directly in front of a rapture-believing Fundie’s house.

    Extra bonus points for staging a “rapture” where someone… and their dog are Raptured up to Heaven.

    Super Extra extra points for figuring out a way to do it right in front of their eyes.

    “Hey, did you see that! That guy and his dog just vanished! Look, there’s the guy’s jogging outfit… and the leash and collar for the dog! Say, I thought you were an Evangelical Christian. How does a dog manage to get Raptured before someone as godly as you are?”

    Wouldn’t you love to see a program, “Christians Punked” where they go around fooling people into beliveing the rapture had come. Someone call Jon Stewart.

  • Couldn’t you file a FOIA request to see how often Mr. Rosenberg has visited the White House?

  • Frankly I would be inclined to believe Rosenberg’s claims about government access. Anyone who saw my post yesterday on the same topic will understand why.

    Authoritarian theology, by the happy joining of pure stubbornness on one side with political opportunism on the the other, has been rapidly increasing its influence on government ever since the Republican revolution in the 1990’s and especially since Bush took over the White House.

    They’ve just been extremely quiet and patient about it, so nobody saw it coming. Now they’re feeling their oats and being more open about it. Let’s hope God is truly on the side of the righteous. We’re going to need all the help we can get.

  • i can’t wait for the rapture to get rid of all these goddamn idiot evangelicals. if god wants him, he can have them. the rest, well, i’ll get my wish and they’ll go to hell.

  • Pretty good bet that god will not bring the end of the world, but man is well on his way to getting the job done all by himself partly as a result of his separation from earth. I don’t need a book of prophesy to believe this. The reality is enough.

    Misanthropic humanism. We got ourselves into this mess. Only man will get us out of the mess. Does this give me hope? No. And it certainly does not help when a majority of people believe that there is a better world waiting for them if only they believe. Can’t think of a better creed to run the earth into a hell hole.

  • Just to beat this into the ground a little more, check out this article from today’s Christian Science Monitor:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0727/p01s02-ussc.html

    “After the final at-bat of Thursday’s game between the Atlanta Braves and Florida Marlins, the stadium seats will turn into pews.

    That’s because it’s “Faith Day” at Atlanta’s Turner Field. No, the hot-dog vendors won’t preach John 3:16. But churchgoing fans – with, promoters hope, their non-Christian friends in tow – will assemble after the game to hear Braves star pitcher John Smoltz share how his life changed by believing in Christ.

    From prayer circles after football games to Bible readings before NASCAR races, spirituality in sports is as common as carbonation in Coke. But the explicit marketing of a religious event by a major-league sports team brings the relationship to an unusually intimate level.”

    How long before we start seeing Super Bowl ads saying things like, “Brought to you by Jesus, Savior of Champions”?

    Come on, people, just how obvious does this creeping invasion of religion into all areas of secular existance have to be? And even more important, exactly where is it going to stop? At the moment I don’t see any particular evidence of boundaries or limitations. Do you?

  • “How long before we start seeing Super Bowl ads saying things like, “Brought to you by Jesus, Savior of Champions”? ” – Curmudgeon

    Does Jesus have an advertising budget?

    Or would they be public service ads?

  • We could send the bill to his father’s house, but the postage would be astronomical.

    He already threw the money changers out of the temple anyway, now I come to think about it, so public service would be the way to go. 😉

  • Maybe all the Jesus air time is a last minute calling? You just can never tell these things, and in the case of nuclear weaponry…Hindsite isn’t always 20/20 when your dead!

  • JOEL C. ROSENBERG was invited because he has been stunningly accurate on more than one occasion regarding international events. With such a track record, the white house wanted to know how he new such things, and what his reasoning was – even if it was from the bible, he used reason to interpret it, and his accuracy was worth a look see.

    And he is no slouch when it comes to the middle east – he’s not just some Christian author:

    Joel previously worked for several U.S. and Israeli leaders, including Steve Forbes, Rush Limbaugh, former Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Natan Sharansky, and former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    You can read more about him at The End of the World—and Other Bestsellers

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