Let no threat go unpoliticized

Earlier, I mentioned a series of far-right bloggers who connected the terrorist plot in London, remarkably, to Ned Lamont’s Senate campaign. As Glenn Greenwald noted, it was just the beginning — several top conservative writers are using the thwarted plot to justify…well, everything they already believe.

[S]upporters of President Bush have wasted no time attempting to exploit this event to make what they evidently perceive are powerful political points in defense of the president and his most controversial policies.

Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds excitedly points to this terrorist plot and then claims that “some people” — he does not, of course, say who these “some people” are — “have decided that the war on terror is passe. But although you may not be interested in terrorism, terrorism is still interested in you.” Michael Ledeen in National Review attempts to use this incident to argue that we should confront Iran: “But here was a secret plot we found out about, and we acted. Iran announces its intentions openly, however we don’t act.”

Also in National Review’s Corner, Cliff May quickly seized this plot as a weapon to attack seemingly every political opponent he could think of, from the ACLU and the New York Times to Howard Dean and Ned Lamont. And one popular right-wing blogger who writes anonymously behind the name “Ace of Spades,” actually insisted that this event all at once demonstrates the wisdom of warrantless eavesdropping by the National Security Agency, the Patriot Act, Guantánamo military tribunals and torture (only to then casually recant all of that once it was pointed out to him that it was British law enforcement agents, not Americans, who foiled the plot).

If I didn’t know better, I’d say there are a number of conservative bloggers who reflexively try to exploit terrorist threats for political gain immediately upon learning of them, whether the facts support the notion or not.

In this particular case, I’m not quite sure what the plot helps the right prove.

To be sure, this is still very much a breaking story, and none of us have all the details about the attackers, their plot, their capture, etc. But most of the conservatives’ arguments are immediately flawed, even at face value.

No one, for example, has argued that the war against terrorists is “passé.” On the contrary, the left generally believes there needs to be an effective international policy that combats and prevents terrorism — but the administration’s approach is not only hopeless, but actually making the problem worse.

Using the incident to launch a war against Iran is just bizarre unless there’s some evidence to tie Iran to the plot. Any proof, Mr. Leeden?

As for the Patriot Act and Gitmo, it’s probably worth noting that the plot was foiled by British intelligence and law-enforcement officials. Whether the NSA is secretly keeping your list of phone calls to your uncle has nothing to do with today’s successful intervention.

Glenn summarized the problem nicely:

But this effort is as incoherent as it is manipulative. Nobody doubts that there are Muslim extremists who would like to commit acts of violence against the U.S. and the West. No political disputes are premised on a conflict over whether terrorism exists or whether it ought to be taken seriously. As a result, events such as this that reveal what everyone already knows — that there is such a thing as Islamic extremists who want to commit terrorist acts against the U.S. — do nothing to inform or resolve political debates over the Bush administration’s militaristic foreign policy or its radical lawlessness at home.

Opposition to the war in Iraq, for instance, is not based upon the premise that there is no terrorist threat. It is based on the premise that that invasion undermines, rather than strengthens, our campaign to fight terrorism.

It’s rather breathtaking to peruse far-right sites today and see conservatives respond to the thwarted plot by saying, “See? We told you so.”

Told us what, exactly?

Did you see that Lieberman is following that line too, saying about Lamont that “If we just pick up like Ned Lamont wants us to do, get out by a date certain, it will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England. It will strengthen them and they will strike again.”

  • Not only the crazzzzzy right pundits/bloggers, it is also good ol’ Joe Lieberman: “If we just pick up like Ned Lamont wants us to do, get out by a date certain, it will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England. It will strengthen them and they will strike again.”

    (from TalkingPoints Memo).

  • I wish dems would take this to the logical conclusion that the republicans would if the roles were reversed: the republicans want another terrorist attack. These thwarted plans are all well and good, but they really really need another successful attack to justify their actions.

    I wish there were dems out there willing to say what seems pretty obvious…the republicans benefit politically from terrorist carnage.

  • This proves that the war in Iraq, er, I mean, the “Great War On Terror” or whatever we’re calling it these days, is not working. If it were working, this never would have happened. Isn’t the war in Iraq, er, I mean, the “Great War On Terror” supposed to ensure this doesn’t happen? This proves just the opposite that they’re claiming.

  • I could just as easily make the argument that the administration’s so called “war on terror” policy is the cause itself of the terror arrests, and that we shouldnt be happy that we are busting up more of these plots, but rather, we should be alarmed.

    If you believe our “policy” is creating more terrorists due to the hatred it is breeding around the globe, (since it is rightly or wrongly viewed as a war on Islam when you market it the way we do – and irrelvant either way) then for a constant ratio of active terrorists to total terrorists (those that carry out terrorist missions rather than those who just gloat about others doing it), then you will have more of these people to catch, so, for any given amount of enforcement, you are likely to run into more people who are plotting terrorist acts. And in all likeliness, this ratio is also increasing.

    This is the core of why Dems are not soft on terror, but rather, they know that the policy we have in place (outside of the catastrophe of Iraq), including the fact that we now think torture is ok, is what is really making us less safe. Sure, more arrests will surely happen, but eventually, our time will come, just as it has for Spain, Britain, Indonesia, etc etc. We are not more safe globally, and that is the important point. Yes, weve gotten lucky here so far, but our luck wont last, and soon it will be apparent that you cant win a war like this, any more than you can win a war on drugs without realizing that the tactics are completely wrong.

    The dems have not gone about this the right way, and if they continue to let the Republicans make their argument for them (and focus on Iraq and the pullout, which must happen anyway no matter who is in charge, only the timetable will be different) then, despite small victories like Lamont, the scumbags on the right will try to twist the logic and use our victories as part of their fear campaign, and further exploit 9/11 all the way through 2008. This cannot be allowed to happen. We absolutely must frame the argument that we are not safer globally, and that while we recognize that we have always been looking for terrorists, the reason we are catching more now is that we ar creating more, and overall, despite the greater interception, we are having more successful attacks around the globe. Thus, we are LOSING the stupid war on terror, precisely because we have chosen illogical ways to fight the symptons, rather than addressing the root cause of the hatred in the first place.

    This policy as it stands, that is, staying the course, will be our doom.

  • Lamont and other dems need to point out the obvious: the Iraqi war (“fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here”) is not stopping terrorism

  • Just wait a little while. Soon they are going to tell us it’s also Clinton’s fault.

  • Stop intellectualising. Repeat after me: “Bush and the Republicans are losing the war on terror.”

    Then repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat, until it’s conventional wisdom; we’ll know it is when we hear Tim Russert say it.

  • It is typical for the shrill mouthpieces of a dying regime to spout a rhetoric of deceit, hatred, and fear-based ignorance. Neoconservative America is such a regime, as was Nazi Germany—both with authoritarian administrations demanding unquestionable loyalty; both promoting the justification of mistreatments against collective groups of human beings based upon ethnic qualifiers; both rejecting the Rule of Law.

    Or, one might view the recent events in England with a clear and open mind, then draw upon their observations the conclusion that a great many people in the United States of America can sleep soundly in their beds tonight, knowing that they were held out of harm’s way by the diligence of the London Police Department. They will drift into the land of slumber and dreams, thinking not that the war on terror is “passé;” rather, it is the overzealous rhetoric, ethicless behavior, rights-abuses, and obtuse war-criminality of this current administration that is without justification.

    The “court of shrill jesters” of Herr Bush bears little relative difference from the court of Osama bin Laden—and given that the one is half-way around the planet, while the other holds power on our own soil, I find myself reminded of the old ecological axiom: “Think Globally—and Act Locally.” To that end, it may well be the better course of action to deal with the terror-monger on this side of the ocean, before dealing with the one thousands of miles away….

  • The public and the mainstream media fall for this fear propaganda time and again. It’s becoming so predictable.

    Dissent and questioning of the government’s actions (or inactions as the case may be) are only allowed to go so far and then, BINGO, a terror plot is discovered and thwarted just in the nick of time. Instantly, previous stories are dropped from the healines and public debate is quelled. All other American issues pale in comparision to the immediate “threat.” Never mind that American soldiers are dying for no purpose in the midst of the Iraqi Civil War, or that there is a proxy war raging in Lebanon in which the president and sec of state pay lip service to working towards a solution while hoping to to draw in Syria/Iran. So what that BP knew for years that they had old, corroded oil piplines in Alaska and ignored them in favor of waiting until the price of gas was a bit higher before cutting off supply. New Orleans uninhabitable a year after a hurricaine – millions without health insurance, etc., etc.

    Ladies and gentlemen – the ‘ 06 election season has begun! Stay the course!

  • Lieberman claims that, if we pull out of Iraq on a certain timetable (he actually implied vanishing the dark of night), the terrorists will celibrate victory. That’s true. They’ll claim victory no matter what or when. That’s why invading Iraq was so stupid, and why zero planning has compounded the problem.

    We’ve dug ourselves a narrow tunnel without end. We can’t march out. We will have to crawl out backwards, and that will be a humiliation undeserved by our troops.

    I’m sure Bush will eventually claim success, but I’m reminded of what Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands said about bungled Operation Market Garden: “My country can never again afford the luxury of another Montgomery success.”

  • Yes, Fox News was asking how this would play with the Democrats’ recent dovishness.

  • Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds excitedly points to this terrorist plot and then claims that “some people” — he does not, of course, say who these “some people” are — “have decided that the war on terror is passe.”

    By “some people”, I’m sure Glenn means Republicans and conservative pundits who feel that massive tax cuts to Sam Walton’s kids and Paris Hilton, and the “threats” of gay marriage, flag desecration, the “persecution of Chrisitans”, and letting one white woman die in Florida are the most important issues facing our country.

    then again, Congress was wise enough to dramatically increase funding to secure the Nebraska-Louisiana Tech football game this September.

  • I s’pose we’ll need to bomb and invade England now so that we can “fight ’em over there instead of over here…”

    Idiots.

  • What was that sound?

    Must be the sounds of the GOP playing politics. Although the second anyone tries to call them on it they’ll say that their accuser is playing politics.

    (sigh)

  • The NYT writes about “plotters”, but they’re not plotters, they’re suicide bombers… Born and raised in England, I believe. And willing to die for… For WHAT ?
    I’m feeling very sad. Scared, too. This world is not what it should be.

  • Leiberman is giving Lamont some strong ammo. Joe’s defense of the war in Iraq is so damned weak and reflective of the Bush line that we have heard ad infinitum. To continue to conflate Iraq with the war on terror is just plainly dangerous thinking. It should not be difficult for an intelligent person like Lamont to reveal the holes in these arguments. As James Fallows writes in the Atlantic, we are winning the war on terror. The British have demonstrated one of the most effective paths to catching and discouraging these terrorists.

    As predicted, the war in Iraq stirred up a hornet’s nest. We can stay in Iraq for another 10 years and we will just keep stirring. Or we can follow the Bush plan: stand down as the Iraqi’s stand up and turn over Bush’s war on terror to the Iraqis. Pretty obvious by now that fighting them over there has not kept them in Iraq.

  • Foiled terrorist plots have become the tabula rasa of our highly partisan political discourse.

    The right looks at a foiled terrorist plot and sees it as a justification for Iraq, for Abu Ghraib, for the NSA program, for all the vitriol it loves to spew.

    And the left is saying, There’s no connection at all, and all you need to foil a terrorist plot is good police work, without wars, torture, or surveillance of every citizen in the nation.

    And every politician, Dem, GOP or independent will climb up on his or her soapbox and say, See, I told you so, my perspective is right.

    In this way foiled terrorist plots can be linked to Bush, Cheney, bin Laden, Pakistan, Israel, Hizbullah, Joe Lieberman, Sean Hannity, the Playmate of the Month…ANYTHING.

    And no one’s mind is changed.

  • Philippe, it’s going to take a while before minds can change…you only have to experience what we are going through for so many more years before you see the futility of it all. It’s not a coincidence that terrorist activity picked up after the war on Iraq. Granted 9/11 was on a grand scale in intensity, but in terms of frequency, it, nor the events before it, show you an increasing frequency of attack. That only started after we decided to up the ante. All we needed to do after 9/11 was go harder after the actual known and identified terrorists in Afghanistan, then go into advanced stealth mode, where the vast majority of work would be more intelligence, combined with better policing. Slowly, but surely, you eradicate the threats, but what you need on top of that action behind the scenes, is serious outreach on a number of major international issues which would bridge the divide that fuels the hatred. Once you decide it’s all out war, it is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  • “No one, for example, has argued that the war against terrorists is “passé.” On the contrary, the left generally believes there needs to be an effective international policy that combats and prevents terrorism — but the administration’s approach is not only hopeless, but actually making the problem worse.” — CB.

    Well, that’s it in a nutshell.

    But this point, “Using the incident to launch a war against Iran is just bizarre unless there’s some evidence to tie Iran to the plot. Any proof, Mr. Leeden?” — CB, WADR, is coy.

    The ‘evidence’ for Mr. Leeden and his stripe is simple:
    We are at war with Terrorists.
    Terrorists are Muslims.
    Iranians are Muslims.
    Therefore, we are at war with Iranians.

    That it appears excruciatingly crude to us should not blind us to the fact that it is the way these guys think, more or less. Indeed, we should not be blinded to the fact that there is a modicum of truth in their deduction. ‘War on Terror’ really is, truthfully, for its perpetrators, war on Islam. Both sides are too squeamish (or too diplomatic) to acknowledge that fact publically, explicitly. There are very few non-Islamic terrorists that one can think of and name in the world these days, now that separatist movements — IRA, ETA, etc — have folded.

    Truth is, the non-Islamic world is at ‘war’ with the Islamic world (in the form of its more extreme manifestations).

    This is ok if you can see it dispassionately impartially. The trouble arises when you get your own religion entangled with it, then it becomes dirty: your God versus my God. That’s when politics, diplomacy and hope leave the room. That’s pretty much where the Bush theocons have taken us, and that’s pretty shitty.

    I believe, to reach bedrock and recover sanity and decency, we shouldn’t be shy about addressing the religious aspect of our deteriorating situation, both domestically and internationally. Which brings us to the fabulous analyses you quote from Glen Greenwald, concluding with “.. Opposition to the war in Iraq, for instance, is not based upon the premise that there is no terrorist threat. It is based on the premise that that invasion undermines, rather than strengthens, our campaign to fight terrorism.

    Now, that word “fight” still troubles me. You see, the British cops were cool, canny and circumspect. They didn’t go in all trumpets blazing proclaiming fire and damnation to the ‘evil-doers’. No way. They’re not so daft. So, basically, I’d like to see such clumsy belligerant language — ‘fight’, ‘war’, ‘destroy’, ‘evil’, etc — slowly disappear from our anti-terrorist lexicon, since it manifestly serves no useful purpose other than to exacerbate the conflict.

    Finally finally finally, you know I sometimes get so fired to explore a thought I don’t even give the time read the other comments. Now I have. G2000’s and all of them are so good I feel ashamed to hit the Post button (though I guess I will). This is what I’m trying to say: “.. Thus, we are LOSING the stupid war on terror, precisely because we have chosen illogical ways to fight the symptons, rather than addressing the root cause of the hatred in the first place.” — G2000 #6.

    #11 “.. “Bush and the Republicans are losing the war on terror.”
    […]
    Terrifying.

    #12 “.. one might view the recent events in England with a clear and open mind, then draw upon their observations the conclusion that a great many people in the United States of America can sleep soundly in their beds tonight, knowing that they were held out of harm’s way by the diligence of the London Police Department. They will drift into the land of slumber and dreams, thinking not that the war on terror is “passé;” rather, it is the overzealous rhetoric, ethicless behavior, rights-abuses, and obtuse war-criminality of this current administration that is without justification.
    […]”

    Stay and Pay the ultimate price.

    [Of course, it’s all Clinton’s fault]

    Self-fulfilling prophesy — the GOP plop.

  • G2000:
    “but what you need on top of that action behind the scenes, is serious outreach on a number of major international issues which would bridge the divide that fuels the hatred”

    That was beautifully put. What we need… And not exactly what we get !
    Let me rephrase what I wrote earlier: This world is not what it COULD be.

  • A terrorist plot to kill Americans is foiled tomorrow, and Bush is accused of foiling the plot for political gain. A terrorist plot against Americans is successful tomorrow, and Bush is accused of not doing enough to protect us. I’m surprised no one has asked Bush when he stopped beating Laura.

  • Exactly Fallenwoman – what we are blaming the Bush administration for is creating the terrorists. It’s clear from his (lack of) character that there is nothing that is out of bounds when it comes to political exploitation, no issue to important that it cannot be twisted for gain. As for a successful attack, it’s bound to come, and if it does, it won’t be for lack of effort on the administration’s part, it will be because the effort is futile, and misdirected, and many parts of a legitimate protective security measure are left unaddressed. But worst still, in all likelihood, there are more terrorists, who are more pissed off, and more likely to attack, because of the stupidity of the administration’s current global policy of seek and destroy in the most clumsy and simpleminded manner possible. So yes, he is blamed for many things, and I will continue to point out the foolishness which leads to deserving such blame.

    As for him beating his wife, no, she’s obviously taken care of beating herself; she married him. Maybe we can just call them the moron twins. (“we’re not twins”)

  • A terrorist plot to kill Americans is foiled tomorrow, and Bush is accused of foiling the plot for political gain. — Fallenwoman

    Nobody would ever think of accusing Bush of foiling a terrorist plot — for political gain or any other reason — simply because he’s incapable of it.

  • As we head to our fifth anniversary of September 11th, the Bush Administration has made us so safe we now fear any Arab-looking person with a Gatorade bottle and a cell phone. If that’s not an idication we’ve gone way too far in the wrong direction, I don’t know what is.

    No matter how many folks we bomb, we won’t ever feel secure because the folks that survived will only have that much more conviction for their cause.

    Most disputes are settled by compromise, where both parties can walk away with a sense that they won something. The neocon response is to never let the enemy feel that they have advanced themselves in any positive direction. Will that ever end this period of terror? Never.

    I like the fight I’m reading in all the posters these days. Lots of Nedtosterne flowing in the veins.

  • “Truth is, the non-Islamic world is at ‘war’ with the Islamic world (in the form of its more extreme manifestations).” = Goldilocks

    If so, we should practice good war-time diplomacy and divide our ‘opponents’. There may be 1,300,000,000 Muslims in the world, but 400,000,000 of them are Shia, and the Sunnis regularly murder Shia whereever and whenever they can. If we can’t divide them along that line, remember that the Arabs are only a small portion of the total, and non-Arab Muslims should be separable from the whole (Turks, for instance).

    But the Bushites don’t do Diplomacy. That’s such a French thing, after all. As so, we are less safe than six years ago.

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