Is it the ‘alleged’ UK terrorist plot?

When I first did an item about the thwarted terrorist hijacking plot six days ago, I received a flurry of emails from regulars encouraging me to be skeptical. Plenty of commenters expressed similar uncertainty, so much so that a far-right blogger compiled a list of your comments, ignored Drum’s law, and did a post about what Carpetbagger commenters had to say.

But I stubbornly believed the reports anyway. Sure, the Bush gang has cried wolf on more than one occasion, but this seemed like an actual wolf. British officials were keeping tight surveillance on actual terrorists. The bad guys were working on an actual plot to use liquid explosives to kill thousands. Never mind those bogus scare tactics; this one was real.

Well, maybe. The story garnered a few question marks over the weekend when Newsweek reported that the suspects didn’t have airline tickets and some didn’t even have passports. British officials wanted to be patient and continue monitoring the suspects to gather more evidence, but the Bush administration insisted that the arrests happen immediately. At an absolute minimum, the Newsweek article suggested that earlier reports about an imminent threat were wrong; there may have been a plot, but an impending crisis this was not.

Fine. But the arrests really did catch a large group of dangerous terrorists, right? Even that’s come under question.

So far, no one has been charged in the alleged terror plot to blow up several airplanes across the Atlantic. No evidence has been produced supporting the contention that such a plot was indeed imminent. Forgive me if my skepticism just ratcheted up a little notch.

Given the circumstances, that seems fair.

How disconcerting is the situation? Andrew Sullivan brings readers’ attention to the conclusions drawn by Craig Murray, Tony Blair’s ambassador to Uzbekistan.

In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.

What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for over a year – like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early arrests.

Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes – which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn’t give is the truth …

We then have the extraordinary question of Bush and Blair discussing the possible arrests over the weekend. Why?

The original story now appears significantly weaker than it did a week ago. Given this, it’s incumbent upon officials to explain whether, and to what extent, this was a serious plot at all. Sullivan asks a) just how many of the suspects had passports; b) how they could perform a dry-run without them; and c) what bomb-making materials these guys actually had.

I wonder if Lieberman’s defeat, the resilience of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and the emergence of a Hezbollah-style government in Iraq had any bearing on the decision by Bush and Blair to pre-empt the British police and order this alleged plot disabled.

Just a few years ago, this would have been considered the height of cynicism. Now, given the administration’s stunning record of acting in bad faith, it’s practically irresponsible not to wonder.

What’s that famous Bushism about “fool me once, shame on…duh, whatever” It’s been a trip of slowly accepting that the Bushes lie about everything, no matter how nationally vital, they lie about it.

  • Now the Bushes want to see if they can adopt some tougher laws from Britain to suppress us with. They’ll use any excuse–phony or not–to move their agenda forward.

    Hey Lieberman, this is the group you will go down with.

  • I think it’s a little early to charge anyone. But the Brits did have to go to court today and explain to a judge why they wanted to keep these guys in jail (gaol?) for another week.

    I read the blog you linked. Sad to say, my comments were not used. I must not be lefty enough 😉

    I think the Ambassador has a good point about the Pakistani prisioners. I thought the British knew about the liquid bomb plot all along. Did they not? That’s certainly news for anyone whose $50 worth of cosmetics got trashed on a flight last week. If the Brits did not know about the mechanisms of a plot, why did they move now.

    I’m not sure they are going to be able to charge these ‘terrorists’ with anything. Which might not bother Dick Cheney, but it does bother me.

  • If you see a Bushite saying we should adopt British laws, ask him if he means nationalized medicine. That should make him choke on his bile.

  • There has to be some low to which not even Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove will stoop.

    But I’ve got a feeling that I don’t want to know what it is.

  • If this was hyped as an imminent threat that really wasn’t – it should backfire on these guys.

  • Okay, even given Blair’s — um — cooperation with the Bush administration in the past, at THIS point, after all of the shit that Blair has been forced to consume based on his role as Yankee Poodle, why would Blair acquiesce to any request by Bushco that would interfere with an investigation by his own nation’s intelligence services? I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but if it did, I’d sure be interested to know what Bush has on him.

  • “why would Blair acquiesce to any request by Bushco that would interfere with an investigation by his own nation’s intelligence services?” – Jim Strain

    Did you miss the thread about the Pakistanis arresting someone on their side of the plot first, forcing the British to act before they wanted to? That explains it all, to my mind.

  • The morning this story broke, I had turned on my radio to NPR as always, and the first sound I heard was a flat, nasal, somber syllable emanating from the pinhead of Michael Chertoff. In the split second that I heard and immediately identified the purveyor of this insubstantial syllable, my freshly reset Daily Bullshitometer buried it’s needle in the red and reached it’s limit before I had even gotten my g.d. glasses on. I stood there in the dark shaking my head wondering how much of this concocted, expensive, inconvenient manipulation the world is going to put up with so ShrubCo and Poodleboy can continue to play their political power games.

    From Mr. Sullivan: “Under a law that the Tories helped weaken, the suspects can be held without charges for up to 28 days. Those days are ticking by.”

    To our good friends at Confederate Yankee. You’re showing unexpected intelligence and potential for recovery by hanging out here at TCR. Let’s meet back here in a few weeks and see what charges are forthcoming for the liquid bombers.

    Regards,

    The Psychosphere

  • I hope Bush’s new definition of international terrism doesn’t mean that they find a group of blockheads in the West like the Miami group and they match them with some guy in Pakistan whom they then torture to come up with an amazing terrorist plot to admit to implicating the blockheads. It’s the ten for one plan. The torturer doesn’t have to go with the confession he has, he can get whatever confession he wants. Rumsfield would love that flexibility.

  • I wouldn’t want to attract attention to this blog by igniting a blog war, but I’m wondering how many comments the CY is going to cherry-pick from this thread. We know you’re lurking. Well, you and the NSA, and…

    By the way, whatever became of that Miami-based plot blow up the Sears Tower?

  • “Did you miss the thread about the Pakistanis arresting someone on their side of the plot first, forcing the British to act before they wanted to?” – Lance

    No, Lance, I didn’t miss it. I was responding to the recent flurry of speculative assertions that it was pressure from the US that caused the Brits to go off prematurely. The Pakistani contribution sounds much more credible to me, too.

  • Damn. I didn’t make the Confederate Yankee’s post. Damn Yankee. Hahahaha. Pun totally intended!

    Again, don’t forget the British gunned down someone because of brown skin and a backpack, so I’m not suprised they jumped the gun on a few Rastafarian’s who maybe thought about blowing up something in Chicago.

    Oh, wait, no. That was a “terror” plot cooked up by our own Government.

    Seriously, though, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. It just isn’t election season in an even numbered year until the terror level has been raised.

  • I wonder what the Bushites threatened the Pakistanis with?

    “We’ll pick another Tribal compound in the Pakistan/Afghan border region and bomb it, claiming to be after OBL, if you don’t arrest this guy.”

    Might work.

  • CB:

    “Plenty of commenters expressed similar uncertainty, so much so that a far-right blogger compiled a list of your comments, ignored Drum’s law, and did a post about what Carpetbagger commenters had to say.”

    This is both sad and sordid.

    After all… right wingers have been telling us for the last decade not to trust “big damn government.”

    Ergo…
    Here is a new law to celebrate this fellow’s solecism…

    American Confederate’s Law:

    A persistent vegetative state is marked by a willingness to question big damn government only when the other party has the reins of power and ignore the importance of query when your own party has political power.

    Or… to put it in words even a ghoulish Cheneyite could understand:

    Go fuck yourself son…

  • Apparently, I AM lefty enough to be not only included, but the lead.
    Thanks, Yanks.
    After being purged from the voting rolls here in Florida by Ms. Harris, I did become somewhat disenchanted by the Republican’ts.
    Becoming a second-class citizen will do that.

    I stand by my observations:
    Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Rice have done immeasurable damage to our world. Stolen elections, LIHOP 9/11, missed opportunity (weapons inspectors in Iraq), illegal and downright stupid war (again, Iraq), Al Qa Qaa, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, DHS & Max Cleland….God, the list is never ending!

    Hey, Yankee, what’s the flavor of that Kool-Aid? Remember the origin of that phrase? That’s where you’re heading, and we don’t want to go with you.

  • American Confederate’s Law = Confederate Yankee’s Law

    Crickey…

    The nick is incogruous from tongue to bung….
    No wonder I got it ass backwards….

  • it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.

    No, no, no … obviously Craig Murray is stuck in a pre-9/11 mindset. We don’t need evidence when we have extraordinary rendition, CIA black sites, and kangaroo courts … uh, I mean “military tribunals.” All we need to do is get “Yo Blair” to hand these guys over, and we can make sure this story has legs until well after the midterm election.

    By the way, I never knew so many unhinged moonbats frequented this site.

  • The reason Blair would throw his lot in with Bush to hype this “terrorist plot” is because he’s in even more political trouble than Bush is. Blair and Bush met the last weekend in July — this is the meeting in which Blair gave his unstinting support of the Bush policy (or lack thereof) towards the Israeli incursion into Lebanon. There was tremendous outrage in the House of Commons, with many key Labour MPs saying that Blair no longer spoke for them. The British press also had a field day, with quotes like this one from the TIMES of London: “Bush and Blair are now alone in their own theatre of the absurd…”

    For both men, getting people scared of “terrorists” is one of the few effective political tools they still have. It is an interesting coincidence that just ten days after the Bush/Blair meeting, the Brits haul out this terrorist plot. According to the British article CB quotes above, the Pakistanis in this “plot” had already been under surveillance for a year…yet not all even had passports for an attack that (according to the MSM) was due to take place within days.

    By the time it turns out that those arrested can’t be charged with anything, the public will have moved on and the narrative about a horrific plot will have hardened in the public mind. In this way Bush and Blair continue to create their own reality.

  • In case anyone’s interested in what a “ConfederateYankee” is, they were known at the time as “Copperheads” and considered traitors. Given that this moron babbles for the Republicans, the party of treason, he’s at least taken an appropriate title.

    And for those who go “party of treason”???? I suggest you look at this story, and every godamned thing else these scum have done to make the country less safe, less economically secure, less militarily secure, less able to lead when needed. Everything they have done has been an act of treason against the country.

  • Remember the 1% doctrine. If there’s a 1% chance of an event happening we must proceed like it’s a certainty. I think the 1% doctrine is stupid. I think it is completely illogical but the Bush administration has been functioning on the 1% doctrine since late 2001. This is why the US pushed for early arrests.

    We should’ve waited for more evidence.

    Where’s the Outrage?

  • The Carpetbagger Report: The premier site for news and information….for people on both sides of the aisle!!

    Congratulations, CB, you’ve really hit the big time. 🙂

  • If this investigation started last December why did they wait until August to ban liquids and gels on passenger flights. Could’t a simultaneous plot have been being planned by other groups endangering human life and creating “unimaginable death and destruction!”? What an incredible scam. Rove hard at work for his country.
    Tired | 08.17.06 – 2:43 am | #

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    If this does turn out to be the huge pile of BS it is likely to be, I want to see a MAJOR lawsuit filed by all the airlines who were killed by the astounding incompetence of both governments. A major law suit would bring all the evidence forward very publicly.
    No w NOW | 08.17.06 – 12:43 am | #

    Great point “No W Now”. The situation could have been handled in a way to prevent panic and great loss of money for the airlines and time and money for the customers but the administration wanted panic and especially FEAR. What better way to bring the frightened sheep back into the flock. There was no imminent danger and they knew it.
    How low can they go?
    Tired | 08.17.06 – 2:50 am | #

  • If you see a Bushite saying we should adopt British laws, ask him if he means nationalized medicine. That should make him choke on his bile.

    Heh…YES!!

    We see a little game going on here too. Using a “ratchet technique”, where on each side of the pong they can go after DIFFERENT civil liberties, then point to the counterparts new laws and say “see..we need to do that too”.

    So where if they did it all at once in one country, protest and attention would be paid..it would be TOO much, but they do half each, then point to the others laws and make it seem “normal” that we should also do that.
    (even if it is a myth…the idea is right about the) turning the fire up slowly on the frog in the pan.

  • “We see a little game going on here too. Using a “ratchet technique”, where on each side of the pong they can go after DIFFERENT civil liberties, then point to the counterparts new laws and say ‘see..we need to do that too’.” – Tom Joad

    Actually, a far better choice, as it actually applies to security, is Britain’s gun laws. When some Bushite moron starts spouting off about Britain’s ‘better’ domestic spying laws, ask him if he also wants to adopt Britain’s gun laws.

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