Bush, Iraq, and 9/11 — redux

Today’s hour-long [tag]White House[/tag] [tag]press conference[/tag] featured a treasure trove of bloggable tidbits, but the most interesting, at least to me, was an exchange about the connection between [tag]Iraq[/tag] and [tag]9/11[/tag], or lack thereof.

After the president had just gone through a litany of the inevitable tragedies that would occur if the U.S. withdrew from Iraq, Cox News’ [tag]Ken Herman[/tag] noted that “a lot of the consequences you mentioned for pulling out seem like maybe they never would have been there if we hadn’t gone in.” Bush responded, “You know, I’ve heard this theory about everything was just fine until we arrived, and kind of ‘we’re going to stir up the hornet’s nest’ theory. It just doesn’t hold water, as far as I’m concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.”

Herman interrupted, asking, “What did Iraq have to do with that?” prompting Bush to ask, “What did Iraq have to do with what?” (Laurel & Hardy, of course, came to mind.) When Herman clarified, asking what Iraq had to do with 9/11, the president said:

“[tag]Nothing[/tag], except for it’s part of — and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that [tag]Saddam Hussein[/tag] ordered the attack. Iraq was a — the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.”

Actually, there’s a little more to it than that. OK, more than a little.

Right off the bat, the Bush White House absolutely argued that Saddam Hussein’s regime was involved with 9/11 when, immediately before the invasion began, the president told Congress that the war was consistent with “continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.” Today, Bush said Iraq had “nothing” to do with 9/11. Call me picky, but I think there’s a disconnect there.

Second, as Salon’s Tim Grieve explained, there’s Dick Cheney.

In an interview woth National Public Radio in January 2004, the vice president said there was “overwhelming evidence” that Saddam Hussein had a relationship with al-Qaida. In a “Meet the Press” interview in December 2001, Cheney said it had been “pretty well confirmed” that Mohammed Atta met with Iraqi intelligence officials before the attack. And in another “Meet the Press” appearance in September 2003, Cheney said it was at least an open question whether Saddam had played a role in plotting the 9/11 attacks.

During the “Meet the Press” interview, Tim Russert asked Cheney about polls showing that a majority of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was somehow involved in 9/11. The vice president said it was “not surprising” that so many people “make that connection.” Yes, Russert said, but is there a connection? “We don’t know” Cheney said.

Today’s message doesn’t quite match up to the previous, pre-war rhetoric. Raise your hand if you’re surprised.

Simple Dem advertisement– a simple videoclip of the above exchange: “What did Iraq have to do with 911?” Bush: “Nothing.”

Should not cost much to pull that one together.

  • So Shrub has tacitly admitted the Iraq war is illegal. For those who don’t know, the resolution required him to determine that Saddam gave aid and comfort to al-Qaeda … and we now know that’s false.

    To my mind, that’s an impeachable offense … and it should make every Repub in a purple district nervous. I can already see North Carolina turning a lovely shade of blue …

  • The headline should be “Bush: Iraq had NO connection to 9/11 attacks”

    Since a huge percentage of Americans still think Iraq was connected to 9/11, I would think support for the war would drop even more than it has already if this got some traction.

    Since the MSM has done such a poor job of informing the public, maybe it’s… time for an investigation of blogger ethics.

  • I hate to nitpick as well but Bush left himself an out that by saying that “Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.” He can still say that Iraq aided or participated in the planning of the attack even though it is pretty clear that that is not the case.

  • Well, here’s our mushroom cloud. The war jst blew-up in the president’s face. This has to spark outrage across the nation. Parents of every dead, wounded and serving GI should start screaming “What the hell is this war about?”

    We get attacked and the next we do is start to spread freedom. How quaint.

    Even Joe Lieberman has to call the war a mistake after this slip-up. Joe Scarborough — need any more proof?

  • Darrell is right. If we don’t support impeachment for launching a costly war on clearly false pretenses, then impeachment probably can’t be used. Ever.

    A large percentage of Americans think Bush lied us into the Iraq war. Should they sit back for another 2 years? Let it go? Meanwhile our kids keep getting killed and our debt climbs? Do we want more SCOTUS picks from this criminal?

    Impeachment was designed for a reason. Dangerous leaders can and must be removed before they do more damage. And just because a bunch of idiot Republicans abused the process going after Clinton doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be used NOW.

    I think the lesson of Lamont is that the people are angry. Why wouldn’t they be angry? Even rabid right-winger Joe Scarborough wonders “whether George W. Bush has the [brains] to continue leading this country over the next couple of years.”

    What the hell are the Democraps waiting for, an engraved invitation?

    I guess AIPAC hasn’t told them it’s ok to file articles of impeachment.

  • Every White House correspondent knows almost exactly what Bush is going to say. Why aren’t they prepared to challenge his statements? We need a separation of press and state. Why should Bush get to choose who is in the White House Press Corps? You can’t ask tough questions if you serve at the whim of the questionee.

  • With Bush’s jerky response, you now know the fear is palpible. Rove has probably told Bush that with the deteriorating situation in Iraq and the bad polls for Bush and the Republicans that a 50-seat tsunami could hit the House of Representatives. They’re scared; and they are going to get more shrill.

  • He can still say that Iraq aided or participated in the planning of the attack even though it is pretty clear that that is not the case.

    Then I say we go with his first — and the best — response:

    Herman: “What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?”

    Bush: “Nothing.”

    That’s as plain and straightforward an answer as we’ll ever get from this bunch. The DNC ought to be rushing to produce TV ads to run against every incumbent Republican — and Joe Lieberman — up for re-election.

  • Put this thing together in a way that it will appeal to the raw, primitive anger of every American, and then give frist and Hastert a private screening. Once the tape finishes, give the bums 24 hours to sin on to the Impeachment Express—or else.

    Or else “what?”

    The tape goes global. Not just to demolish the President; not just to disembowel the Republikanner contingent on the Hill—but to effectively annihilate this administration’s few remaining resources with which to prop up its “coalition of the willing.”

    Imagine the internal quagmire that these two “gentlemen” would find themselves trying to digest, if they were threatened with a planetary effort to do away with the GOP—forever. A planetary effort to cleanse the planet of over-the-top conservativism. A planetary effort to dismantle K Street. A planetary effort to—well, I suppose you might get the picture.

    Contemplate the possibilities of over-the-horizon governments buying airtime on US broadcast venues to distribute the following simple message:

    “A Republican lied—your soldiers died. Had enough?”

    Stop pulling punches. The GOP leadership would have a choice—between doing the right and honmorable thing by taking down this president, or by being taken down with him when take-down time comes. And that time is but 78 days away.

    If the Dems on the Hill won’t get on the wagon, then they can just as readily be taken down by the same brute force in the ’08 primaries—or maybe the dreaded “R” word needs to be brought out of mothballs.

    Recall is also a dish best served cold….

  • Next up: the Bush administration blames the Iraq invasion on all the democrats in congress who failed to vote against the authorization for using force after 9/11.

  • Karl Rove must have turned purple when he heard Bush say that this morning. Expect the frenzied clarifications and denials to hit the media any time now.

  • Regardless of the setting — press conference, formal speech, impromptu remarks, or any other public statement — my dominant emotion upon hearing the President speak has gradually changed from anger to embarrassment, not for myself, but for my country.

  • Ha. If they thought the Iraq war was unpopular before Bush just blew it wide open. Watch the polls…here comes the 20s.

  • Steve – Great thoughts, but there’s an inherent flaw:
    You would have to trust the Republican’ts to actually do what they agree to do. That won’t happen.
    Example # 1, Pat Roberts Intelligence Committee investigating the misuse of Intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war.

    Republican’ts – You just can’t trust them!

  • Well, N. Wells is right. Boy George II will blame everybody else for not holding him back when the bully Saddam taunted him. Remember, Saddam told GHWB that Saddam won the war after GHWB lost his election in 1992.

    And yes, this is an impeachable offense, but please, Cheney first.

  • Ricky “Man on Dog” Santorum is being an idiot again. On Hardball he is claiming that there is no difference between our war in Iraq and our war in Afghanistan, that the Beirut bombing and the 9/11 bombing are related, and that 9/11 justifies attacking Saddam and we don’t know that there was not relationship between Saddam and Osama.

    What a f**king moron.

  • Santorum also said that chemical weapons had been found, but Matthews didn’t bite. I guess he’s still using those old empty artillery shells as a sound bite.

  • Suggested headline for this press conference:

    Bush Says Cheney Lied When Cheney Lied to Us.

  • Simple Dem advertisement– a simple videoclip of the above exchange: “What did Iraq have to do with 911?” Bush: “Nothing.”

    Should not cost much to pull that one together.

    Adding to bubba’s comment, the background music should be a cross mix of the Temptations’ “Ball of Confusion,” and Edwin Starr’s “War.”

    What is it good for? Absolutely NOTHING, would be a great tag line.

  • Remeber the authorization to use force Iraq, the resolution the Bush administration keeps insisting gives the president the right to act above the law…?

    ” Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

    Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

    Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations; ”

    I guess Bush didn’t read it either.

  • There is no distinction available between ‘ordered’ 911 and ‘participated) in 911. The answer, regardless is Iraq had NOTHING to do with it.

    Honestly, I’m really not sure why people aren’t marching on the whitehouse lawn demanding Bush be placed in shackles… How many reasons do we need? Bush is extremely dangerous to America, and no one can debate this point.

    “You’re either with us or against us”…. Sorry to say it, but I haven’t been ‘with’ bush since it became obvious that the 911 commission was dishonest. The truth is–we don’t know the truth about 911. And that… is not debateable either. Questions… I thought we demanded answers… Lies… we accepted them instead.

    The constitution makes it Perfectly Clear what our role in this should be.

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