Lieberman’s revenge?

It probably doesn’t get mentioned enough, but [tag]Joe Lieberman[/tag]’s independent Senate campaign is likely to have a serious impact on the Dems’ chances of winning back the House. Connecticut has three incumbent Republicans (Nancy Johnson, Rob Simmons, and Chris Shays), all of whom are considered vulnerable this year against strong Dem challengers (Chris Murphy, Joe Courtney, and Diane Farrell).

If Lieberman is encouraging Republicans and other conservatives to go to the polls to support his candidacy, Dems are understandably worried that those same voters will back GOP House candidates, undercutting key opportunities that could help shift the balance of power on the Hill.

Lieberman has heard the argument and has a response.

For those readers who can’t watch video from your office, Fox News asked Lieberman whether his campaign would hurt Dem candidates’ chances down-ballot. Lieberman said, “They [tag]should have thought of that[/tag] during the [tag]primary[/tag], but here we are.”

It’s an odd thing to say.

As recently as last week, Lieberman reiterated his belief that he’s a “committed Democrat.” But confronted with the idea that he may single-handedly keep Dems from taking back the [tag]House[/tag], he literally laughs and blames Dem voters for the problem. It’s not a particularly subtle message — Lieberman’s telling Connecticut Dems, “You backed the other guy, and this is my payback.”

In response to Lieberman’s [tag]Fox News[/tag] comments, Chris Bowers said:

[T]here seem to be two ways to read this quote. One reading would be that Lieberman thinks that instead of voting their conscience, Democratic primary voters should have instead capitulated to his threats to leave the party. The other reading is that the party establishment, which gave their complete support to Lieberman during the primary, should never have allowed the primary to happen in the first place.

Either way, Lieberman clearly views his run as revenge against Democrats for actually engaging in party democracy. So, either voters should be swayed through threats, or votes should not be allowed to take place. No matter which reading is accurate, Lieberman’s sheer disdain for democracy is overwhelming. As far as he is concerned, democracy is only useful as long as it allows you to remain in power, and now he is just a tough parent punishing bad children who actually had the gall to vote for someone else.

Sounds right to me.

That may be an odd thing to say but it is completely in keeping with his sour grapes, “I’m gonna take my toys and blow them up so no one can play with them” attitude that he seems to have developed during the campaign and post-election.

The more Lieberman talks, the smaller a man he becomes and the more the DNC and other Democratic organizations should see that there is no caucusing with him should he win and the Democrats take over the Senate.

  • He is such a rotten bastard. He doesn’t give a damn about anything but himself. Liarman is the slime of the earth.

  • I think Bowers option B is the one. Lieberman is saying the National Democratic Party should have stuffed Ned Lamont into a hole somewhere and let the glory that is Joe continue to shine no matter what the Democrats in Connecticut wanted.

    If Hubris is the extreme of Pride, then we need a new word, “Liebermanish”, for the extreme of selfishness.

  • Let me grit my teeth and defend Lieberman on this one thing. I don’t think he was suggesting that they shouldn’t have held the primary. He was saying that they should have thought about it before the primary. But like you said the voters made the decision even in spite of Dem support of the little man.

  • I hate to admit it, but the Republicans had him pegged in 2000: “Sore Loserman.” Granted, they were slamming the entire Dem ticket, so they were only half right. Still, how often have those guys been half right about anything??? Let’s give ’em credit where we can…

  • Both Bush and Lieberman are cut from the same cloth. The two of them continuosly tout democray……..for everyone else. When it comes to the two of them, it doesn’t apply.

    Bush has signing statements and his twisted interpretation of existing laws, while Lieberman is just plain ignoring the entire Democratic process because he’s a poor sport.

    It’s no onder that so many people aren’t involved in the political process, what’s the point?

  • Ultimately, his own actions will be his undoing. Nobody- left or right- likes a ‘fair-weather friend’. Sure, the Republicans will use him as much as they can, but he will never get respect from them- and that will hurt someone with an ego as big as his…

    He has already faded into obscurity and irrelevance. It’s just taking some time for rigor mortis to set in. Once it does, he is going to be a bitter and lonely old man- lonely because, at the last, he burned all of his bridges to save his castle. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.

  • Americans don’t tend to like mean-spirited people, especially sore losers. I think his campaign may just blow up in his face. I certainly hope it does.

  • More proof that Lieberman is all about Lieberman. There’s a reason why his ‘third party’ is registered as ‘Connecticut for Lieberman’. The party platform has only one plank — keep Lieberman in a job.

    The man has become a political nihilist.

  • So…when should we expect to see Schumer and Emanuel come out with forceful statements indicating their displeasure with Lieberman’s statements and their full support for the CT Dem House candidates? Soon, right?

    right?

    sigh.

  • I’m glad he’s being such a dick about it. It makes him a better target.

    We need to continue to harass the crap out of any Democrat who supports this FORMER Democrat. It’s now obvious that he is NOT “a committed Democrat”, so it’s time to go after his supporters who claim to be Democrats themselves.

  • Edo says: So…when should we expect to see Schumer and Emanuel come out with forceful statements indicating their displeasure with Lieberman’s statements and their full support for the CT Dem House candidates? Soon, right?

    As soon as AIPAC tells them it’s ok, that’s when they’ll turn on him. In other words… never.

    Democrats my ass.

  • Wisco has a good point that I hadn’t noticed before: it is interesting in an unpleasant way that Lieberman’s party is the “Connecticut for Lieberman” party rather than the “Lieberman for Connecticut” party.

  • Definition: Eggs Lieberman: What you find splattered all over your house, your car, and your dog on November 1st, after refusing to give treats to the overgrown neighborhood bully the night before….

  • This man continues to put the A in A-hole. I really cannot see how Lieberknoodle can win. What are the odds of an incumbant defeated in the primary who comes back to beat the endorsed Democrat because he supports the least popular president in recent history and his warmongering? Democrats outnumber Republicans in CT (now that the Bush family has moved). Every Democrat should get behind the endorsed candidate and urge the party to unite.

    This had better be the trail of slime that Say it ain’t so Joe leaves behind on his way out of Washington. He SUX!

  • So it is all the rank-and-file Democrats’ fault that “here we are”?
    Who among these Dems that “should have thought of that during the primary” forced Joe to continue running?
    How is this anyone’s “fault” besides Joe and Joe’s outsized ego?
    Only Joe decided he could not accept the decision of his party constituents.
    Only Joe filed papers to run under his own private-label political party.
    Only Joe has run his campaign in a manner directed mainly at turning our Rethuglican votes.

    So who’s the dumbass screwing everything up? Only Joe.

  • This is an amazing campaign ad treasurefor Lamont:
    Do you want a Senator who wants to punish you for practicing democracy?

  • “Ct for Lieberman” says it all. He is the one supposed to be working for us! It should be “Lieberman for Ct”, no? In any case, I don’t think Joe is inspiring a lot of Republicans to go to the polls. Republicans in the state aren’t particularly happy with the way things are going. They are not in love with Joe, and aren’t excited about going to the polls just to spite the Dems. They are not frenzied over social issues. They are worried about the housing market! and their ARM mortgages. I did some phone bank work for a Dem congressional campain and the message from independents was certainly that it’s time to try something else. So Joe is out.

  • I hated this bastard since he ran with Gore and took up the “morality” platform. This egotistical shithead is going down.

  • uberlieber is just like any politician, they are dirt bags. they have to be sociopathic to want the job or to be elected. Never kid yourselves into believing that they are anything less than scum, each and every one of them. no good on my side, bad on their side nonsense, they are all mentally ill, pretending to be normal to get your vote
    show him up for what he is and the voters in CT aren’t quite as dumb as he believes. Since no repugs are going to want to vote because their candidates are all going to lose, it is going to be most interesting to see the crying and excuses.

    if we get to vote in november.

  • John:

    Lieberman is a self-centered idiot, but DON’T FUCKING LIE ABOUT THE LIKELY RESULTS OF HIS CAMPAIGN!!!

    We’re going to take 25 or 30 seats in the House this year. Easily!

    Fuck the three from CT!! It’d be nice to have them join the fun, but to say they are critical is just a load of SHIT!

  • So…when should we expect to see Schumer and Emanuel come out with forceful statements indicating their displeasure with Lieberman’s statements and their full support for the CT Dem House candidates? Soon, right?– Edo, at #11

    It’s true that they’re moving at a snail’s pace, but there *is* some progress… From yesterday’s TPMCafe/Election Central:

    By Eric Kleefeld | bio

    Maybe it’s really true that the DSCC is upset with Joe Lieberman for dividing the party in his personal quest to remain in office. If you go to the DSCC’s political map and run your mouse-arrow over each state, you get the incumbent Senator — in every case but one. In Connecticut, it doesn’t show Lieberman — instead, it shows Ned Lamont, who’s decidedly not the incumbent. What’s more, the race is listed as an open seat, which it isn’t. See? Who says the DSCC isn’t penalizing Lieberman for his indy run?

    DSCCincumbentpage08-28.jpg

  • The right was not talking about Lieberman as “Sore Loserman” in 2000. That was “Gore-Lieberman” transformed into “Sore Loserman” for the Dems refusing to believe they lost in 2000. It was directed at Al Gore and the Dems. Ironic that it is being used by them now.

  • As much as Lieberman pisses off you rabid partisans, CT moderates are sticking with him (based on this week’s Zogby poll with Joe’s 10 point lead over Dead Lamont).

    Can’t wait until November and you all start pandering for his forgiveness after his big win.

  • (based on this week’s Zogby poll with Joe’s 10 point lead over Dead Lamont). -JRS Jr

    That Zogby poll only surveyed 533 people between 8-15-06 and 8-21-06 so it’s hardly accurate or current and far from “this week”. Nice try, though. Maybe about four times as many people and a date not over 200 hours old and I’d believe it a little more. Man, JRS Jr. you fail every time. One wonders why you keep trying.

    We “rabid partisans” (I prefer simply Democrats) will never beg Lieberman or his ilk for forgiveness since he’ll lose anyway. If by chance he does win the sellout can still kiss my ass.

    Here’s a link to JRS Jr’s outdated info:

    http://www.journalinquirer.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17122988&BRD=985&PAG=461&dept_id=161556&rfi=6

  • JRS Jr: Please explain why it is rabid partisanship to support a nominee who won the majority vote in his primary. It’s partisanship but hardly rabid.

    And I won’t be kissing Joe’s ass even if he does win the general election. Haven’t been able to stand the guy since his prissy moralizing on the floor of the Senate at the time of Clinton’s impeachment. No–even before then I gguess–since the time he wouldn’t support any version of health care reform in 1994.

    In his heart he’s always been a Republican. I’m glad to see him go.

  • Sorry, my bad on the dates…got my weeks mixed up.

    Doubtful said: “That Zogby poll only surveyed 533 people between 8-15-06 and 8-21-06 so it’s hardly accurate…” But Doubtful, Rasmuessen was only 550 Likely voters, so I guess we should through that one out too (coveniently I bet you don’t want to throw out the one that best helps Lamont). Interstingly the poll with the MOST likely voters shows Lieberman with the greatest lead (see Quinnipiac).

    Also, Doubtful, last week you argued on this site that Lamont has been gaining traction/momentum (based on the latest Rasmuessen poll), yet the Zogby poll seems to refute that as well, since Zogby and Rasmuessen polling data was completed in the same day. You must have picked up your analytical skills from the Kerry pollers in ‘the 04 election!!

    All I know, based on the numbers seems like Joe is consistently in the lead. As much as you lefties want him to lose you can’t dispute these figures which show on average, Joe has a 6.5% lead post the primary loss(an event which many of you argued would quickly propel Lamont to the lead) :

    Rasmussen 08/21 – 08/21 550 LV 45%, 43% Lieberman +2%
    Amer Res. Gr 08/17 – 08/21 790 LV 44%, 42% Lieberman +2%
    Zogby 08/15 – 08/21 533 LV 49.4%, 39.4% Lieberman +10%
    Quinnipiac 08/10 – 08/14 1083 LV 53%, 41% Lieberman +12%

    On another note, in a FDU poll completed 8/27, Kean is ahead of Melendez by 4% — granted still a lot of Undecided. But I bet you guys weren’t anticipating that!

  • (coveniently I bet you don’t want to throw out the one that best helps Lamont)

    Nah, I won’t throw out the one that helps Lamont, you know, the one that we take in November. The only poll that matters.

    Last week I argued that three percentage points, especially when it put Lamont within the MOE was significant. I never made any comment about the validity or accuracy of the poll.

    😉

  • JRS Jr,
    So what CT moderates will be voting for Joe. So will the CT rethuglicans. I guess you’ll be in good company with those swine. If Joe wins, we’ll really see what he’s made of.

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