Back from New York

First, I’d like to thank The Reaction’s Michael J.W. Stickings, once again, for his terrific guest-blogging. It’s great to know I can step away for a day and leave the site in good hands.

Second, I thought I’d take a moment to tell readers where I was yesterday. I wasn’t entirely clear on the ground rules in advance, so I wasn’t able to mention it beforehand, but I was invited to attend a bloggers’ meeting with President Clinton yesterday at his office in Harlem. It was, to put it mildly, a tremendous experience.

Apparently, about a year ago, the former President began reading blogs, from both sides of the aisle, and his daily press clippings compiled by his staff includes blog posts of particular interest. It seems to have piqued his interest in the medium, how blogs fit into the left’s infrastructure, what the impact the medium has on news dissemination overall. It led to yesterday’s meeting between Clinton, some of his aides, and 15 bloggers. As you might imagine, I was honored to be there.

I took some notes, but the one thing that stands out about chatting with Clinton is his vast knowledge of, well, everything. It was a very wide-ranging discussion, but the former President never lacked for fascinating insights and anecdotes about every subject that came up. The Middle East, gun control, the estate tax, domestic security, the media, even saxophone players … the man is practically an encyclopedia. Aravosis, whom I sat next to, described him as “smart as hell,” which seems to describe Clinton quite well.

He knows a lot about everything, and he gets it, he gets politics, he gets people, he understands what’s going on and knows how to get things done. His political advice is no-nonsense and straight forward – he’d rather take an issue on than run from it (oh for the days of that in a Democratic politician).

Indeed.

Clinton was scheduled to speak with us for an hour, but he was engaged enough with our discussion to stay an extra hour. I took that as a very encouraging sign — he not only thought enough of our work to set up a meeting, but also thought we were worth devoting even more time to.

I make no secret of the fact that Clinton is a hero of mine, and has been since 1991. With this in mind, yesterday was a pretty important afternoon for me, personally and professionally. Here’s a shot, by the way, that I stole from AmericaBlog.

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That’s me in the back, next to Clinton, with his head tilted slightly in my direction.

As for final impressions, I think I’ll just quote Chris Bowers, whom I also sat next to.

I felt a tremendous swelling of patriotic pride and love for America when I attended this meeting. Here I was, with a group of my friends and colleagues, meeting with one of our nation’s Presidents because our small, do-it-yourself political operation had drawn his attention. I mean, this is largely work I have completed and a movement to which I have contributed from the bedroom of my apartment in West Philly. Somehow, in only a few years, this resulted in meeting with a former President of the United States. As I was thinking about this, I quickly remembered that President Clinton attended a public high school Arkansas (as I did in Liverpool, New York), and rose to become President of the United States. And here we were, conversing with one another as citizens, overlooking the New York City skyline, which is quite possibly the greatest architectural achievement in the history of humanity. And we were doing it in a neighborhood, Harlem, which has never been particularly wealthy but whose residents produced some of the greatest works of art worldwide in the 20th century. It was a dizzying and remarkable moment that reminds you just what the true promise of this nation really is, of the greatness we have achieved, and of the still yet untapped potential of America to accomplish far greater things still.

Well said, Chris; I felt the same way.

PLEASE Please don’t give us the speech about how ‘anyone can become president’… After all, that’s how we ended up with Dubya…

  • Wow …

    You know, Clinton may be a philanderer (sp?) and made perhaps the greatest political mistake ever by not just coming clean about the whole Lewinsky thing, but you’ve got to admit — the man is smart and incredibly smooth (but not in that huckster kind of way).

    Sounds likes an amazing experience.

    Maybe next time you could convince him to invite some of us piss-ant bloggers … 😉

  • I’ve always wondered if Clinton’s charm is not like 1970’s diet colas. It may taste great going down but the after taste is horrible. But then, is that not true of all ‘charm’. Is ‘charm’ just an artifical sweetener of human relationships?

    That said, the wonkiness of Clinton is the great difference between (and Gore) and Boy George II. The willingness to actually make the effort to understand is exactly what we are lacking in the current Bushite administration, where they are so sure they have all the answers and constently demonstrate that they have none.

  • That must have been quite an experience. There is no doubt in my mind that Clinton was one of the smartest, most competent presidents we have had. We need smart, competent people in office – more so now than ever before.

  • Sounds like a great experience, CB. I remember that Clinton’s meeting with JFK that inspired him to want to be president.

    Intelligent and engaged–oh for the good old days.

  • I’m sure you will never forget perhaps meeting one of the greatest Presidents of our time in Harlem, NY. I admire you for having been invited to meet with the great man. Just think of the stories you can tell your children and grandchildren. I just hope that the American people have the forsight to elect Hillary Clinton president in 2008. As was said in the campaign in 1992 you get (2) two for the price of one. I can imagine a future with Hillary as president and sending Bill around the world to all the hot spots and putting out all the fires GW caused. But for now its time to make sure that we a democrats take back the Congress it is in our grasp and we should hold our elected democrats to the fire and not let the repuke machine suppress our vote by spreading false talking points. Our elected officials need to stand for what they beleive and not detour from them. ITS UP TO US, WE THE PEOPLE. So make sure that you get all your friends, neighbors and family to the voting polls on November 7th. WE SHALL OVERCOME THE REPUKERATS AT THE POLLS.

  • Oh, one other thing — since I can’t get to AMERICAblog (gotta love that company firewall!), any chance of letting us know who is who in the picture?

    I know Aravosis (the very most right), and I think one is Jane (from FDL) — who are the rest?

  • Welcome back, Carpetbagger. It sounds like it was an amazing experience.

    As for me, it was an honour and a pleasure, as always, to fill in for you. This is a great blog with some great readers and commenters, and it was a lot of fun.

  • I have mixed, but laregly favorable feelings about the man, and this is a great story (Congratulations to Steve and the other bloggers!), so it’s perhaps not the best time to take a pot shot at the former President. But, I am going to do it anyway. Dems are kidding themselves if they don’t think Clinton is smart and smooth in a huckster kind of way. And what happened with Lewinsky has to be evaluated for the impact it had; we can’t just forgive and move on. That scandal pretty much ended his agenda and is not an insignificant factor in why W is sitting where he is today.

  • johnny d–
    I guess I just don’t see Clinton as a huckster — sure, he’s suave, can talk about damn near anything, and has this ability to personally connect with people (insert intern joke here). But I honestly think that Clinton is sincere — if he wasn’t, he wouldn’t have even called the bloggers meeting. He wouldn’t have extended the meeting.

    To be honest, Hillary could learn a thing or two from him. As of right now, she’s one the LAST people I want to see get the Dem nomination.

    And what happened with Lewinsky has to be evaluated for the impact it had; we can’t just forgive and move on.

    Why not?

    That scandal pretty much ended his agenda and is not an insignificant factor in why W is sitting where he is today.

    I see your point, but I have to respectfully disagree. I think Bush was elected not because of anything Clinton did or didn’t do — he won because of a carefully crafted attack campaign that appealed to those who get distracted by shiny objects. They used the wedge issues that get the right to vote, and portrayed Bush as a down-to-earth kind of guy to swing some of those “regular folks” in the middle.

    The campaign would’ve been the same no matter whom Bush was up against, and no matter what Clinton did or didn’t do.

  • Like johnny d (#9) I have mixed feelings about Bill Clinton (all having to do with DADT and failure to assert his authority over the Pentagon). And I agree with Mike (#4) that “… Clinton was one of the smartest, most competent presidents we have had. We need smart, competent people in office….”

    I would add that we also need to grow up about how we approach the private lives of those who serve us professionally, both in the military (DADT) and in public office (Clinton’s affair). The public has no official business digging into the (non-criminal) activities in people’s private lives. Leave the sleaze to the scandal sheets. By the same token we should investigate every charge of military misconduct and official malfeasance. At the moment we’re doing it backwards.

    I’m very glad you got invited for the visit with your old boss, CB. It says a lot about you and about blogging in general.

  • Congrats CB. This was a fantastic opportunity and one which you have earned from your solid efforts. Keep up the great work.

  • Let me sum up Unholy Moses comment regarding Georgie Boy: the Bush presidency was the product of the massive VRWC.

  • Steve, I can’t think of anyone better for Clinton to invite who can represent me and the people who think like me. Congratulations, and thanks for sharing your experience with us. You must be very juiced up this morning.

    Out of so many American presidents, the vast majority of them had some kind of personal ethical failing, be it mistresses, or drugs, or just power mongering, so going over this part again seems like a waste of time to me.

    I’m just thankful that a brilliant policy expert like Bill Clinton is still active in our society, and that he can represent America in a way to parts of the rest of the world who have deep distrust for our current president. It will be constant threads like him that will keep our country relevant once the current embarassment is over and we are moving in an upwards direction once again. That day can’t come soon enough for me.

    Until then, I’ll stick with the bumper sticker on my car: Mike Rowe for President- Now THAT’S a Dirty Job.

  • As for Clinton and his memory, all I can say is that I had the opportunity to meet him, and actually speak to him for about 10-15 minutes, twice. The first time was during his first campaign, the second was just after his second campaign. And when we met the second time he remembered my last name. Pretty incredible, seeing I am/was an inconsequential small town, small time pol. Yeah, he has an overactive libido and should have known better, and his politics are to the right of mine, but he is one hell of a bright man.

  • Well, if he coldn’t invite the two bright guys from different generations who do That’s Another Fine Mess, I am damn glad he invited the guy who runs the site that inspired TAFM and which I visit every day religiously. So here are CONGRATULATIONS for doing your work and Being Noticed.

    Like others, I wish to hell the guy could have “wrapped it in a sock” because that did sink him and his agenda, and it did power the right to go out and do what they did with Moron Boy. God – from one of the smartest to The. Dumbest. Ever. – back to back. Every time I hear things like this, it makes me wish the 23rd amendment wasn’t in force and we had the second President since FDR to win four terms. Clinton could’ve done it, too.

    It is nice, as Bowers noted, to get the validation that “this little thing” has gotten the notice we have. Now we just need to Keep On Keeping On.

  • There is no doubt in my mind that Clinton was one of the smartest, most competent presidents we have had. -Mike

    Of course he is. That’s why he’s so loathed by people who are no smart or competent.

  • Hey CB, did he happen to mention any regrets for helping the Republicrooks deregulate the media?

    The impact of the BJ scandal was nothing compared to the corporatization of our information stream. Sure Blogging cuts around the TV, but TV is still the media outlet for the general (uninformed) public and it will probably not get fixed anytime soon, because there won’t be a real debate about it on… TV.

  • Congratulations, Steve. This is quite an honor. And I am certain that Bill Clinton is smart enough to see the potential grass roots power of the blogosphere. Who knows how far it will go? Readers, commenters and bloggers not attending this function should all feel a sense of pride, too.

    As others have said, Clinton was one of the smartest, ablest and most competent presidents ever, just as Bush is one of the dumbest, most ignorant and least competent. In fact, both could be number one in their respective categories.

    Clinton was not the best president ever, but we’ll never know how much more effective he might have been if the right wing had not conducted such a vicious, relentless assault on him. Ultimately they shot him down with that disgraceful Monica Lewinsky affair, that should never have become public, but wound up rivaling the O.J. trial for circus theatrics.

    What a tragedy for America, that he was never given the chance to govern to his capacity, and that ironically, the worst president ever has been given that opportunity to wreck the store. And he’s completely busted up the china shop because of it, and is still smashing all the pieces into useless dust.

  • hark–no kidding. To think that if relative adults ran Congress from ’94-’00, instead of Gingrich, Delay and probably just a couple others, and those adults chose to do the responsible thing and just censure Clinton without all the related investigation and nonsense…

  • I have mixed feelings about Bill Clinton. Certainly he was the best President we’ve had since Vietnam destroyed the domestic promise of LBJ. At the same time, I wish he’d been as Liberal as his enemies accused him of being, I wish he’d been more willing to fight for positions that he saw were unpopular (DADT in particular, that one retreat and his unwillingness to take on the ads (the ones with whatsisname and Louise) against the steps he made towards universal health coverage hurt him badly).

    I wish he’d handled the Lewinsky thing differently. There is no doubt that it gave the ‘right-wing conspiracy’ that DID exist a great weapon — and landed us with Ann Coulter.

    But I would have loved to be in the group he met with — fat chance with my blog that has a readership of zero, I can’t read it without falling asleep. I wish I did know him, I can think of few prominent people whose company I would more enjoy being in. He always was one of the politicians who truly had an incredible range of general knowledge, and I hope he still has contributions to make to the country.

    (And no, I can’t refrain from saying that his experience, the hatred he attracted, and the boost that hatred gave to the Republicans is why I have to oppose Hillary. for now, She will still be able to run in 2016, after two Democratic terms, and she might make a great President. Then, not now.)

  • Congratulations! I would have been a gibbering wreck and wound up begging him to storm the White House and take over again.

    I can hardly think about Clinton these days. The memory of the way things were is enough to make me weep. If only we could have gone through some sort of decompression process (from a great president to sort of OK, to a not so good, to down right lousy) that might not have been so bad. But from Clinton to the Shrub overnight. Gah. I’m surprised our heads didn’t explode. On the other hand, the contrast only makes Bush look like more of a wank.

  • Fantastic, CB. Congratulations! I know the constitutional limit of two terms in office, but does that only refer to *consecutive* terms? I wouldn’t mind if he wanted another go at it, I really wouldn’t.

  • Kudos to Clinton for inviting and listening to you all … but that sure is a whole lotta white folks descending on Harlem. Where are the bloggers of color? Seriously, where are they? Can someone provide some links?

    Signed, Yet another white guy

  • Steve, congrats indeed on a well-deserved–but I’m sure nonetheless thrilling–honor.

    And I echo all the comments here looking back wistfully on the days when we had a president who was knowledgable about policy, thoughtful about consequences, and always conscious of how great decisions would impact the lives of his everyday countrymen and -women. God knows we sorely miss all those things now.

    But I also want to echo the question asked in comment #21: particularly with his recent ABC dust-up, did you get any sense that Clinton regrets that abominable Telecommunications Act of 1996 which he signed and, as I recall, actively championed?

  • Wow! Do you think GW will emulate Bill and invite you to the WH for an hour sit down? Any chance GW reads the CB blog?

    Did the secret service pat all you terrorist appeasers down?

  • Wow.
    I can feel the tubes of the internets shaking today. The left with hopeful anticipation, and the right with indignation & hatred. Well, the right ALWAYS has indignation & hatred, so it must be more from the left.

    TV & the MSM must be reformed, or our nation will be reduced to 3rd world class. The hated & bias fed to the lesser (or not at all) – read citizens has given us “leaders” like W & Katherine Harris.

    As expressed by others here, President Clinton is more to the right than me. But perhaps that was necessary. The rich run this country, and no pol can attain power without a lot of the rich on his/her side.

    Congrats, Mr.CB, you deserve it.

  • I had a chance to hear Clinton speak in an open forum and was amazed by his intellect and speaking abilities. He really does get how things work in this world and how to solve many of the problems this nation faces. You cannot help but feel he is a true leader when you listen to him.

    I wish the Dems would use him better to stump around the US and tell Americans what’s really going on and how deal with our issues. Maybe it’s former president protocol not to do so, but he could be an enormous asset to stem the tide of speachifying by Republican idiots.

  • I still want to know who the hell everyone is in that picture …

    In no particular order, here’s the guest list: Barbara from Mahablog, Jane Hamsher and Christy Hardin Smith from Firedoglake, Jessica from Feministing, Jeralyn Merritt from TalkLeft,John Aravosis and Joe from AmericaBlog, McJoan from Daily Kos, Bill Scherer from Liberal Oasis, Dave Johnson from Seeing the Forest, Matt Stoller and Chris Bowers from MyDD, Atrios, and me.

    I hope that’s helpful.

  • thanks for the rundown, Mr. Carpetbagger. What a great group to represent the progressive blogosphere. Had you met many of them before, or was that a side benefit?

  • I’ll take one for the team here and ask the one question that all the guys really want to know:

    Who is the hot babe with the dark hair standing directly in front of President Bill?

    There. I said it. Let the smackdown begin. 😉

  • FANTASTIC! I’m so glad you got the opportunity to go, especially since your blog is the one I find most to my liking out of all the ones that I read — and I do read most of the ones represented in that picture. Thanks for reporting back to us. It’s interesting but not surprising that Clinton has the intellectual curiosity to have looked for himself to see what blogging really is all about.

  • Despite his imperfections, Bill Clinton was the best President I’ve seen in my 50 years. He’s so far ahead of the rest, that any debate about 2nd best would be trivial.
    I’m also very pleased to see our Carpetbagger receive recognition he should be proud of, and has clearly earned. Bravo, Steve!

  • Badass. That must have been amazing. Surely Bill Clinton would be interested in meeting guys named Unholy Moses and Mr. Furious…help a brother out…

    Seriously, that’s great Steve. I’m really excited for you.

  • Who is the hot babe with the dark hair standing directly in front of President Bill?

    Ironically, it’s Jessica from Feministing, who would almost certainly resent the question.

    Had you met many of them before, or was that a side benefit?

    A definite side benefit. I had, in fact, never met any of these writers in person, so having this opportunity was a real treat.

  • “Ironically, it’s Jessica from Feministing, who would almost certainly resent the question.”

    I know. I’m totally ashamed of myself. Please forgive me……

  • It’s interesting that no African Americans or Latinos were in the meeting. With black folks voting in big numbers as democrats I don’t get it.Did no one look around while in “Harlem” and say why are there no black and latinos in this meeting? A big thanks to Peter Daou for that?

  • “Ironically, it’s Jessica from Feministing, who would almost certainly resent the question.”

    Anyone else catch the huge flap between Ann Althouse and Jessica-Feministing? Not sure how I got there, but from what I read Ann did not come off well in the exchange, nor did her defenders in the comment section, IMHO, YMMV.

  • Wow, Carpetbagger! What a great experience to meet the former president & to hear his views ~ and, to offer your’s in return.

    I, too, feel he is an incredibly intelligent, knowledgeable, & compassionate human being … and I still feel bad for him & his wife, when I think about how the whole affair thing (with Lewinsky) was blown so out-of-proportion for sick political reasons.

    Still, what Pres. Clinton’s doing today is what’s important to consider ~ not that past, awful affair. Those things happen to people. We are all human. I’m glad you had a chance to share your incredible visit with readers.

    Thank you,

    Kelli

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