Bush, Armitage, Musharraf, and bombing Pakistan ‘back to stone age’

According to press accounts this morning, the Bush administration threatened to bomb Pakistan “back to the stone age” in 2001 unless it cooperated in the US-led war on terror. We know this, apparently, because President Pervez Musharraf says so.

According to a wire story, the Pakistani leader said former deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage delivered the comments shortly after the attacks of 9/11 to his intelligence director.

“The intelligence director told me that (Armitage) said, ‘Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the stone age’,” Musharraf said…. “I think it was a very rude remark.”

Yes, as a rule, when a superpower threatens to bomb your country into the stone age, it’s not particularly polite.

But did this actually happen? The subject came up during this morning’s brief White House press conference with Bush and Musharraf. The responses were … odd.

PRESIDENT BUSH: First, let me — she’s asking about the Armitage thing. The first I heard of this was when I read it in the newspaper today. You know, I was — I guess I was taken aback by the harshness of the words.

All I can tell you is, is that shortly after 9/11, Secretary Colin Powell came in and said, President Musharraf understands the stakes and he wants to join and help route out an enemy that has come and killed 3,000 of our citizens. As a matter of fact, my recollection was that one of the first leaders to step up and say that the stakes have changed, that attack on America that killed 3,000 of the citizens needs to be dealt with firmly, was the President. And if I’m not mistaken, Colin told us that, if not the night of September the 11th, shortly thereafter. I need to make sure I get my facts straight, but it was soon.

I don’t know of any conversation that was reported in the newspaper like that. I just don’t know about it.

PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF: I would like to — I am launching my book on the 25th, and I am honor-bound to Simon and Schuster not to comment on the book before that day. (Laughter.)

PRESIDENT BUSH: In other words, buy the book, is what he’s saying. (Laughter.)

The presidential stand-up routine notwithstanding, the responses weren’t entirely persuasive. The president of Pakistan wants to talk about it, but Simon & Schuster won’t let him?

Regardless, there’s also something deeply amusing about Bush playing dumb. (“Us? Threaten Middle Eastern countries with bombs? Who me?”) As Josh Marshall put it:

At some level I almost have to admire the in-your-face, out in public and entirely brazen sort of payback the Bush White House metes out to those who are so villainous as to break the Bush code of silence. You can see it now in an almost comical mendacity about whether Dick Armitage was somehow off the reservation when he threatened to bomb Pakistan back to the stone age if the country didn’t get religion, shall we say, on rooting out the Taliban in the days after 9/11.

Exactly. Given Bush’s response this morning, we’re to believe that Armitage went off on his own to threaten to take Pakistan off the map. It doesn’t seem very likely.

Reader S.S. offered this compelling take via email:

President Bush’s claim that he was wholly unaware of Armitage’s threat to bomb Pakistan leaves only three possible conclusions, none of them attractive.

1. Musharraf is lying
2. Bush is lying
3. Armitage threatened war without the Bush’s knowledge

My read on the above is as follows.

1. Musharraf may just be trying to shore up support back home by formally distancing himself from Bush, not inconceivable.
2. I can’t imagine that anyone would be surprised.
3. Bush should decry Armitage’s statement as beyond the pale.

Hence it seems reasonable to me that someone is fibbing.

Sounds right to me. My money’s on Door #2.

Okay, Pakistan, Simon and Schuster and the pilots of Air Force One can boss Bush around, but the congress, the people and the courts can go screw themselves?

  • On one of the radio reports I heard this morning (either NPR or CBS), they said that Armitage denied that he ever said such a thing, so now you can add a fourth possibility (likelihood?): Armitage is lying.

  • When I read about this (before Josh’s post), his take is exactly what occurred to me.

    Never in my life (I’m 43, and have vague memories of Watergate) did I think our government would be run by anyone who could make Bonnie and Clyde blush. “Audacious” is the mot juste – they know the end is coming one day, but they keep killing and pillaging because, in the end, “history doesn’t matter – we’ll all be dead.”

  • Armitage would have to actually have said something about the matter before you could enter that as possibility no. 4, don’t you think, Meester Jim Strain? Or did I miss a quote from Armitage in one of those links? I don’t think I did.

  • Oops. I’m slower than usual today and missed the Radio part. Okay, maybe Tricky Dick is lying. It’s not like that hasn’t happened before.

  • On 911, people in Pakistan were handing out free candy to celebrate the attack on the US. I was quite surprised when the Bushies claimed Pakistan as a friendly party, or any other middle eastern country. I went to school with middle eastern people almost 30 years ago, and they all hated us then. Looking at the losers we have become under this government, their feelings can only have gotten more hostile. Any country in that region could only support the bushies due to bribery and/or threats of bombing.
    Neither one is below the bush people.
    We have lost all our hard-earned moral stature since bush grabbed the presidency in 2000. He was never elected, it was a bloodless coup. Since then, blood flows all over the world. Too bad it isn’t his, but he is a coward and a mockery of all we once held dear. I will never forget how he hid on 911.

  • Woah! When did Bush start reading the newspaper?

    Also, is September Dick Arm(itage) month or what? First Plame now Pakistan? What next JFK assassination?

    I call buffalo chips! The whole thing stinks!

  • I remember when Bush stated that any country that supported Al Qaeda would be held responsible. I thought, ‘oh my God, we’re going to war with Pakistan, and it has the atomic bomb.’

    I congratulate Bush and Armitage on getting Pakistan’s support, such as it is.

    Armitage may have said something to this affect or even those exact words. He would not have done so if he did not know that he was speaking for Powell and the President.

    I don’t know what the motives are for having this information leaked at this time.

  • Another option is that Musharraf, thinking (yeah like this would ever happen) Dems may not be as patient with his country if they ever grabbed back the reigns of power in this country, and owing Bushco something (maybe for giving him support), is saying this on behalf of the Administration, particularly at this time with elections coming up. Hell, we all know how a large part of this country loves the macho swagger and will go on to repeat how Bush and co. threaten those savages, and those savages shudder in their sandals whenever they go up against the mighty GOP, unlike the Dems who are a bunch of wimps.

  • Woah! When did Bush start reading the newspaper?

    You know, I meant to mention that. Thanks, MNP, for picking up the slack.

  • I don’t find this inconceivable.

    I seem to remember the “bombed back to the stone age” quote right after we started bombing in Afganistan. I was thinking at the time that after a decade or so of war with the Soviets they weren’t far from the stone age when we bombed them.

    Anyway, if they were saying it about Afganistan what makes you think they wouldn’t say it about Pakistan?

  • Bush had better check with the Israelis about the difficulties of ” back to stone age” bombing with conventional weapons, but then again he might be hankerin for the end of the world. It’s hard to know what madness God is whispering in his ear.

  • Is Pakastan comprised mostly of brown people?
    Are they non-Christian?
    Do they have a lot of Walmart’s and McDonald’s there?

    ‘nuf said…

    ‘cept this:

    The war criminal (aka POTUS, where P stands for pychopath) is lying.

  • They said they would bomb North Vietnam “back to the stone age” back then, too. Funny how that mindset seems to endure through the generations, isn’t it? It must mean something……but what?

  • Of course, we must cow the unwashed brown folks with talk of fire raining down from the skies. The US is going to have no friends left.

    I was hoping they would discuss Mushraff’s assertion that the US wanted him to “suppress” public expression of support for attacks against America. Yep. That’s how we spread democracy.

  • Hell, we all know how a large part of this country loves the macho swagger and will go on to repeat how Bush and co. threaten those savages, and those savages shudder in their sandals whenever they go up against the mighty GOP, unlike the Dems who are a bunch of wimps.

    true, there are lots of voters like that. But aren’t they all already solidly in the Bush/GOP camp? I don’t see how this helps them in the 2006 midterms.

  • Its been out for years this quote by Armitage. Search on Asia Times, Christina Lamb, Complete 9-11 timeline, etc. Some of this is linked to in the related URL.

    Did Musharraf know of 9-11 before it? Did Bushco conclude that by 9-12? Did they threaten Paksitan not as an innocent bystander, but as a participant? Did they give them over 3 billion in aid anyway and then attack Iraq, even though Pakistan in effect attacked us? Is today just their lies on this falling apart?

    There are reports General Ahmed of the ISI paid the hijackers. Did Pakistan know as much pre 9-11 as we known now the US did? If Bush got a briefing on August 6, 2001, bin Laden determined to attack in the US, didn’t Musharraf? Isn’t this what they are trying to cover up?

    A whole discussion on whether Musharraf (Mush) knew:

    “Mush knew”


    Time for honesty.
    Mush knew. End of story.

    also, the following is brusque, I quote from same page,


    RE:Did Musharraf know about 9/11

    I think US deserve 9/11 and hope they get some more for their attitude towards Paksitan. What a crap this US is. I have never seen anyone helping the very people who killed his men. People in US lack knowledge abt. outside world who beleive what their govt. says. Things will not get changed unless and until some more of 9/11’s happen in US (under the auspices of Musharraf and co.).

    Posted by Ramanathan on 04-AUG-04

  • As I think I may have pointed out before, this is an administration whose first instinct is to lie, even when the truth is harmless and easy to tell. Lying is just a knee-jerk reaction, as if telling the truth were a vulnerability -allowing the listener a power over you on the order of stealing your soul by taking your picture, as some primitive tribes were supposed to believe.

    The entire Bush circle of trust, not at all confined to the upper echelon, is pathologically incapable of honesty. For them, rather than setting you free, truth is the point of no return. Lying simply gives you maneuvering room and puts your enemy at a disadvantage. If you’re eventually forced to tell the truth, so what? If the lie is allowed to stand in for truth, it means you’re too smart for the enemy.

    The enemy being, of course, the public.

  • 1. Musharraf is lying
    2. Bush is lying
    3. Armitage threatened war without the Bush’s knowledge

    Somebody’s missing in there: Pakistan’s intelligence director.

    Assuming nothing undiplomatic was actually said, and that all parties are telling the truth, it’s still conceivable that such a misunderstanding could still be born. Say, the PID already believes, before meeting with Armitage (and for whatever motives of his own) that the US will bomb any non-cooperative country. Perhaps he interprets something Armitage says as being “bomb you to the stone age,” even though Armitage never says that nor intends to. Perhaps when reporting on the Armitage meeting to Musharraf, the PID puts his own opinion into Armitage’s mouth.

    All I’m saying is, there are more than three possibilities.

  • Actually, it all makes sense. If you put Pakistan into the uncomfortable position of “ally” to the US, it was probably on Musharraf’s understanding that we would keep the pressure on the Taliban and AlQuaeda, preventing them from committing resources and personnel for expeditions into Pakistan’s tribal regions—where Musharraf’s power is negligible to begin with. It would have included implicit guarantees that the US in Pakistan wouldn’t rile up the Pakistani population; a ggod portion, it seems, don’t exactly care for Musharraf’s intimate attitude toward Washington. Given the “carrot-and-stick” speciality of “cowboy diplomacy” (earn a thousand “attaboy’s” for a chance to win a carrot; one “aw-shit” erases all your atta-boy’s and replaces them with some angry old guy swinging a nine-iron at your head), I can see Armitage making the threat—more likely at the behest of Cheney, than from our “Little Lord Fauntelroy” of a president.

    Fast forward to recent events. Musharraf—upon seeing a resurgent Taliban, a Coalition Expeditionarty Force that’s roaking back on its heels, and an impotent Afghan government—begins laying out a “tell-all” to try and pull his own posterior out of the fire, because he knows Herr Bush won’t do it for him. He also sees things beginning to unravel for the administration and its rubber-stamp Congress, so he ramps into a position to start telling the “opposition” (a Dem Congress) what he knows. This is also based on Herr Bush and his cromies having no control over what the foreign media provides to its viewers/listeners/readers.

    In Rove’s mind, the question forms: How best to “punish” Pakistan for daring to speak out against Herr Bush?

    Simple. Have Herr Bush start banging a war-drum about sending troops into Pakistan—regardless of what the Pakistani governement has to say about the matter. Obviously, Musharraf will reply that “they won’t allow it.” Eventually, US forces “do” enter Pakistan, the Pakistani government threatens to use “any and all means” to force the Americans out—and someone in Washington interprets this to mean “the use of nuclear weapons against uniformed members of the US Armed Forces.”

    In Herr Bush, we have a simian-in-chief who has oft-times embraced the concept of “pre-emptive military action.” There is absolutely no way to guarantee that a man who believes he is “destined by his god to lead this country” (Herr Hitler thought this also, as early as the drafting of Mein Kampf, and throughout his massed-rally speeches and his endless tirades before national radio broadcasts—right up to the final month of the “his gargantuan struggle”) will not deploy the nuclear option that lies so dangerously at his fingertips.

    But another, more sinister option would be to inject US forces into Pakistan, and simultaneously provide the Pakistani population with “letters of invitation” from Musharraf himself. Musharraf wouldn’t dare to provide such things to Washington; the mere thought of his inviting US forces onto Pakistani soil would cause the population to rise against him, and the very least would be for his own military to remove him from power and hand him over to the clerics for trial—and a pretty-much-guaranteed execution.

    The first option the nuclear one—gives Bush and his cronies a power-rush of quantum proportions. The second gives Bush and his cronies the rush of vengeance; a fundamental vengeance that can be viewed as synonymous to the biblical smiting of a Philistine infidel….

  • I am aware of the “History, what history we will all be dead” from Bob Woodwards book. Bush does not think we will have a history, and I find this chilling. I heard a lot of chatter on the dem blogs about an October surprise, planned by the dems to take back our country. The October surprise will out the lying Neo Cons! Hurrah for humanity!

  • “If you put Pakistan into the uncomfortable position of “ally” to the US”

    And we all know that to President Shrub, there are no allies in the sense of two entities working towards a mutually beneficial goal. Remember all of the bile that got poured France when it wouldn’t play along? To Bush ally = servant. If the servant objects you shout at him or fire him. But this makes sense if we remember who we’re talking about. Scrub can’t listen to other people, he can’t see things from their point of view, he can’t think of answers to their questions. It requires things he does not posess:
    Concentration.
    Empathy.
    Intelligence.

  • Was 9-11 something with no Pakistan involvement? Or did Musharraf know? Pakistan was angry at the US in the 1990’s when the US dropped it after giving it money during the 1980’s to fight the Soviets. They wanted to let us know, like a disgruntled employee, that we couldn’t afford to drop them. Did they support al Qaeda as part of that?

    In May 98 they exploded a nuke. Then in Aug 98, al Qaeda attacked our embassies, then in 2000 the Cole, and then in 2001 WTC and Pentagon. Then we paid them money, and those attacks stopped. They’ve gotten 3 billion or more from us. Was this their plan? This is discussed further in the articles below.


    Was 9/11 a Pakistan ISI Extortion Plot?


    Armitage Bush Musharraf Pakistan ISI 9-11 Stone Age

  • Armitage worked for the State Department. The State Department, CIA, DOD and the rest of the members of the NSC have been known to blatantly disregard Presidential Directives issued during National Security Council meetings. Perhaps Bush made the comment about Pakistan and directed that those words not leave the NSC meeting…..
    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id48.html
    The patterns of abuse continue.

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