Falwell equates Clinton with ‘Lucifer’

Last week, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez equated George W. Bush with Satan in an address before the United Nations General Assembly. (Speaking from the same podium, Chaves said he could “still smell the sulfur” from where the president stood.) Even Bush critics conceded that comparing the president to the devil was a little over-the-top.

Chavez, however, seems to have influenced TV preacher Jerry Falwell a bit, who made a similar comparison to one of his least favorite political leaders.

Nothing will motivate conservative evangelical Christians to vote Republican in the 2008 presidential election more than a Democratic nominee named Hillary Rodham Clinton — not even a run by the devil himself.

That was the sentiment expressed by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, the longtime evangelical icon and founder of the once-powerful Moral Majority, during private remarks Friday to church pastors and activists as part of the Values Voter Summit hosted this weekend by the country’s leading Christian conservatives.

Falwell told the faithful, “I certainly hope that Hillary is the candidate She has $300 million so far. But I hope she’s the candidate. Because nothing will energize my [constituency] like Hillary Clinton.” Cheers and laughter filled the room as Falwell continued, “If Lucifer ran, he wouldn’t.”

As it turns out, Falwell was being recorded, and the tape was leaked to the LA Times.

How did the anti-American televangelist respond to the story? An aide to Falwell said that the Lucifer reference was an “off the cuff” comment and that Falwell “had no intentions of demonizing her.” He simply equated her with Satan — how could they be construed as “demonizing” anybody? Can’t you just feel the Christian love?

I also enjoyed the response from my friend (and, full disclosure, former employer) Barry Lynn.

The Rev. Barry Lynn, director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said, “I don’t know why Jerry Falwell always has to drag politics into the gutter. Maybe the devil made him do it.”

On a slightly more serious note, I’d add just one thing. I’ve been to more of these religious-right gatherings than I’d care to admit, and the one thing that I noticed repeatedly is that no matter how extreme these guys appear in public, they’re far worse in private.

When TV preachers and their cohorts lash out at gays, Dems, the media, the judiciary, modern science, Muslims, atheists, civil libertarians and anyone else who isn’t exactly like them, they’re generally holding back. They’ll temper their public remarks to appear slightly less unhinged, but behind closed doors, when they think no one is listening but allies, they’ll say what they really think.

And, apparently, a clown like Falwell thinks Hillary Clinton is the equivalent to “Lucifer.” As the senator’s office put it, “Working for someone who believes in the Golden Rule, we’re not going to engage in such vitriolic discourse — but it seems that a new low has been reached in demonizing political opponents.”

Let’s also not forget, John McCain believes Falwell is no longer an “agent of intolerance.” One wonders if anyone qualifies for the description by McCain’s standards.

Even Bush critics conceded that comparing the president to the devil was a little over-the-top.

I don’t think it was over the top at all. I think he was joking. The proof, unlike the Falwell case, is that he got laughs from the audience. Twice. And he responded to those laughs.

The only reason I personally wouldn’t make a comparison between Bush and the Devil is because I don’t believe the Devil exists. Bush, unfortunately, does. Same goes for Falwell.

  • It may have been off the cuff but that doesn’t make what he said not true from his persepctive or the perspecitive to those hard-core religious right followers.

    This is how they truly feel and I don’t think all those who support Hillary truly understand how fervently they hate her and Bill. They don’t really understand that there are many more on the right that may not believe this actually, or even partially, but who will sympathize with this sentiment.

  • I I agree with Ed… sorta.

    On the other hand…

    What more evidence do you need that our great Christian Nation is being attacked by the devil than a woman-libber becoming President?

    If there is one thing the RURAL MAJORITY (which unleashed a psychopath on the world) can hold tight in their collective minds it is this:

    Adam and Eve!
    Not Eve and Adam!
    God made one clearly SUBORDINATE.
    Amen. Let’s go vote!

  • I’m not a fan of Hillary because I don’t agree with some of her policy positions, but can someone explain the hatred she elicits in Republicans? Is it because she’s a woman? Does she support some unique policy position that they are opposed to (other than being pro-choice)? She seems like the standard DLC Democrat, except she also has a famous name. I can’t get an explanation from the Republicans I know. It’s just some innate, visceral reaction.

  • Personally, I don’t see what’s so wrong about his statement. After all, it’s more of a condemnation of the religious right- since they are more fired up about Hillary Clinton than they would be about Lucifer himself… doesn’t say too much for the religious right and their priorities…

  • From what I’ve heard, Falwell is sicker than an old dog; he needs to get his last hateful remarks in, as he just might not make it through to the ’08 elections. Dobson’s minions are desperately trying to create a software program of their “dear leader,” and Robertson’s scarfing away at his “shake-mix” like there’s no tomorrow (which for him, there might not be, given the chemicals he’s packed into his product. Think “Lyle Alzado” here, folks).

    Steve—ben there/ done that on the Reich get-togethers also. They’ll rant on about the things they’d like to do to people–and several years ago, they were “all” cheering the murder of Matthew Shephard—so they’re not too different from that Phelps freakazoid, although they’ll never admit it in public. Truly, they are the cornerstone of what could well become the American Taliban, if they ever get the power that they’ve come so dangerously close to acquiring already.

    I, for one, would like to see Hillary run in ’08 as well, because she’s clearly one Dem who can go on offense, and if need be, attack in more than one direction simultaneously. And that’s what America needs right now—a President who can attack the internal enemies of the Constitution, rather than coddle them….

  • I would equate Bush with Falwell and vice versa. The Devil is taking notes while watching them work. And that’s no joke.

  • And how ridiculous to be comparing Shrubweh to the Devil when obviously his only peer in the universe is GOD.

  • All the Democrats who joined in the Chavez-bashing this past week suffer from Cranial-Rectal Adhesion Syndrome, and it’s not Chanel No. 5 they’re breathing there, no matter what they tell themselves, and the fumes are now destroying brain cells. Hugo Chavez not only told a joke (which everyone not an American got) about America’s least-favorite leader, he then went to Harlem and announced he had tripled the amount of home heating oil he was donating to poor people in the cold parts of the country this year, through Citgo. In one act, he did more for poor Americans where it counted than everything the federal and state governments here have done all year.

    At the same time they demonize Chavez – whose main crime is to point out the Crimes of Empire commited by this government daily – they laud the real criminal morons currently running the ship of state of Israel aground.

    As to the religious right and how bad they are in private, I will never forget an experience 20 years ago. I was down in Orangutang County to go to a show for my hobby at a hotel, and while I was out looking for the restrooms, I saw another meeting in progress in another room – the local “Christian Coalition/Republican Party” and paused at the door to listen as anargument broke out between two of the leading lights over who was the “better Christian,” and trust me, being “better” didn’t involve caring about, let alone doing, any of the things anyone on this board would think of when they think of the term “good Christian.” It was “following the rules,” and then applying those rules to others, and all the rest of the really wacko fundamentalist baloney. They were particularly up in arms about “The Last Temptation of Christ” and sending all associated with it to hell. I was finally shooed away by the guards, but not before concluding that these people were not the joke I had been considering them since Falwell first became public in the 70s, but were in fact a very dangerous bunch of far right revolutionaries. I felt like I’d watched a meeting in the Munich beer hall. And they’ve gone downhill from there.

  • “…nothing will energize my [constituency] like Hillary Clinton… If Lucifer ran, he wouldn’t.”

    Hypothetically, the Devil himself runs for US president — and evangelical Christians don’t care. That’s what Falwell is saying here. In jest, I can only hope. (Because, really, who believes in Satan as an actual, living entity these days???)

  • Why do the Republicans hate Hillary? Who cares why, but we should care that they do. I think we should believe them when they say it will energize the Republican voters. We don’t need another Senator from the north running for president in 2008. Let’s choose a qualified candidate from the south (like Wesley Clark).

  • Ed Stephan

    You don’t believe Lucifer exists? There’s a photograph, (wink) of him at http://www.hoax-buster.org I can’t remember where, which scroll so you’ll have to scout around but I saw one there.

    There’s alos a photograph of Satan along with the “official” definition from the Vatican of just who they both are.

    Jerry Falwell represents God you know. God operates a place called hell for those who fail to do what His representatives demand, vote Republican. So everyone who blogs here and promotes liberal ideas are going to hell. The hottest pokers are saved for those who support Hillary Clinton for presicent.

    Only the 6th commandment need be obeyed. Numbers 5, 7 and 8 are only required of liberals. Killling-5, stealing-7 and lying-8 are sacraments for neocons.

    We need to do a separation of, CHIRCH AND GOD. That’s what the hoax buster web site is all about. Faith in God is NOT faith in God’s representatives who get their licnese to kill, steal and lie from a hoax document, the Bible. THE BIBLE NOT BE THE WORD OF GOD. It’s a literary hoax and it has nothing to do with the existence of God. Falwell, et al use it to destroy Democracy.

    Anyone can interpret the hoax, the Bible. THE BIBLE IS MOST LIKELY THE WORD OF THE DEVIL. http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul Jerry Falwell has sold his soul for the wealth, power, prestige of earth just like Moses, according to the Bible. Is the pope a big shot? Why? Who elected him?

    The Bible is the source of massive NEGATIVE EDUCATION. We can forgive Falwell, Robertson, et al because they are negatively educated. If we follow them then Democracy ends.

  • Falwell’s doing what his masters pay him to do. He’s the religious arm of the GOP propaganda ministry.

    We can see several propaganda tricks employed just in the brief passage cited above…
    Name-calling: rhetorical technique to equate opposition with something undesirable. (i.e., Hillary = Lucifer)

    Transfer: appropriating the imagery of something desirable and wrapping one’s party/position in it. (i.e., God, the Cross, Jebus)

    Bandwagon: subtly coercing support by implying that everyone is doing it(i.e., the “Moral Majority”)

    As an aside, by the way, Bolshevik means “majority party.” The Menshiviks regretted allowing the Bolsheviks to wrongfully appropriate this title because it implied that Lenin’s view was the majority view. “Moral Majority” was a very clever bit of theft.

  • Like Ed I don’t believe in either god or the devil. Consequently, when I hear these remarks I tend to ignore them as meaningless. Therefore I have to remind myself that Falwell was standing in front of a group that not only believes in the devil but takes the concept of the devil very seriously. While I do not know much about Falwell’s theology, I assume that he and his followers think the devil is the source of all evil in the world. Hence his remark should not be taken lightly.

  • Expect the Falwell-produced “Clinton Chronicles” to make the rounds of the media wingnuts.

    The victims of Hillary’s maniacal and ruthless obsession with taking over the world will be avenged!!

  • Now, given how many Dem politicians defended Bush and slammed Chavez after the Chavez comments, I am sure the gracious, civil Republican politicians will all slam loudly on Falwell for making almost the exact same remark about a leading Democratic Senator and former First Lady? I just know I’ll hear the outcry and condemnation any minute now.

    Right? (Let me turn down my radio, maybe I just can’t hear it)

    Right?

  • Hmmm. On the one hand we have Hugo Chavez calling Shrub the devil. A joke and no more (he made the translator giggle). On the other, we have Shrub calling Saddam Hussein evil, lying so he could invade Iraq and as a direct result of his acts dozens of people are slaughtered every day.
    Oh yeah, that Chavez is one bad dude.

    As for Falwell and his ilk, I’ve had to hang around these people because they are relatives. Make no mistake, no one here who talks about what they’re like in private is exaggerating in the least. When I was in my teens I had to attend church with Fundy relatives and they were convinced that God wanted them to drive the nuns out of a convent on the adjoining property so the Fundies could have it. Yeah, some one babbles out a bunch of syllables and that translates into an order to attack a bunch of old ladies. Nice. These people are capital D dangerous and need to be watched. Right now they’re quiet because they’ve got one of their own in power. What do you think will happen when these spoiled, smug, self-righteous bastards no longer have the President’s ear?

  • I must object to your headline Falwell equates Clinton with ‘Lucifer’.

    “…nothing will energize my [constituency] like Hillary Clinton. If Lucifer ran, he wouldn’t.”

    He’s explicitly saying they’re not equal!

  • Right now they’re quiet because they’ve got one of their own in power.

    Maybe, though not in the sense I think you’re using. Bush’s putative deep connection with the Christian militants is a credit to the art of propaganda. Bush panders to the grassroots and pays off the fundie leaders to keep the grassroots loyal. We only get a whine from the leaders here and there when the grassroots starts thinking they’ve been had, but the fundie leaders always return to the GOP fold. Any maneuverings by these guys are not much different, really, than the phony recent antics of McCain, Warner, and Graham.

  • Let’s choose a qualified candidate from the south (like Wesley Clark).

    Absolutely right. Let Hillary be the Sec State or UN Ambassador. Whatever she wants.

  • Why do the Republicans hate Hillary? (#11). Because she’s a woman with brains and courage and imagination and leadership, etcetera, etcetera — like most Democratic women.

    On top of all her other qualities, I should mention that I’m still using (and enjoying immensely) her 1992 campaign recipe for Chocolate Chip Cookies — the one which everyone agreed trounced Barbara Bush’s miserable excuse for same.

  • Why do the Republicans hate Hillary?

    If it wasn’t Hillary being targeted, then it would be somebody else. GOP hate for anyone who thwarts them knows no limits. Manifest ability and integrity are not sufficient protection. The propaganda machine needs little substance to create a scapegoat and thereby tarnish the message along with the person. Witness the swiftboating examples.

  • Jim B, Falwell supports torture because “burnings at the stake” draws huge crowds and his pickpockets need crowds to do God’s holy work efficiently.

    The lid is about to blow on this pressure cooker. There is no chance the world will come to it’s senses. The lies have mutated. They are now absolute truths. What you read in the papers maps into the 1938-39 papers just before the last great blow up. Lies are burried with tombstones that are heaps of rubble.

    Will the pope negotiate peace with Islam? Did Chamberlin negotiate peace with Hitler? Did Bush threaten Pakistan with being bombed back to the stone age? Notice how kind, gentle, loving the world has become.

    Will the righteous prevail? But of course for the winners are the ones that write the history books. Good will always triumph over evil because the winner never describes himself as evil. What? Bush a war criminal? He hasn’t lost yet. To al-qaida Bush is an evil war criminal. To Jerry Falwell so is Hillary Clinton. It goes around and it comes around.

    There’s a moral here. Don’t forget to win, any which way you can else they will describe you as evil.

  • Falwell has to kind of hope and claim that The Base will come out at his command if he’s going to influence the Republican’t Party. He’s bragging, that’s all.

    But in some fascinating ways, Hillary is the opined upon politician we have in America. She certainly outstrips any other potential presidential candidate. While none of the others would want to have her negatives, all would want her positives.

    And frankly, I want in 2008 someone that America is willing to vote FOR, not just someone America is not going to vote AGAINST.

  • Steve, Falwell has created a dynasty. They are like ant hills. One dies and ten more take it’s place. Falwell’s the one rotten apple that spoils the entire barrel. Evangelical is the rot that spoils the entire earth. Evangelical is the great enemy of democracy.

    It’s never a matter of evangelical or not but which flavor will you have. That’s ecumenical, what that strange word means and the pope is trying to get the Muslims in on it. Tried any Muslim yet? It’s so good you’ll want to kill yourself.

    The pope is trying to expand his empire by capturinging the Muslim “faith.” The pope is dead, long live the pope. Did you see three presidents kneeling before the dead pope? Were they praying to him or God?

    The pope is not a person, it’s an office held by a person. Offices do not die, they just keep on going. Fuehr has gone out to style. Will pope or minister ever go out of style? Kings are still really important people are they not?

  • Grumpy writes: Because, really, who believes in Satan as an actual, living entity these days???

    % of Americans who believe in evolution: 28%
    % of Americans who believe in the devil: 68%

    This according to, if I recall correctly, a Gallup poll. How’s that for a sobering statistic? I got off at the wrong planet.

  • I think there were 3, not 2, people exercising their ssense of humour. Chavez probably did smell “sulphur”… we all know how Bush loves those fart jokes — they’re just commas in his conversation.

  • Aw, in this case and this case only I gotta say Falwell was just joking about Lucifer. It’s one of those stupid Christian jokes. I don’t he was demonizing HC at that particular moment.

  • In reply to #4, they hate her because (to misquote Kathy Griffin) “she’s a strong black woman”. Hilary has always been outspoken, free to follow her own path and she made the choice to stay married to her husband, when apparantly the Christian thing to do would’ve been to divorce him.(after all, it’s a biblically sanctioned out).

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