Conservative theme of the day: seriousness

Conservatives have finally come up with a relatively compelling response to the Mark [tag]Foley[/tag] scandal. The first response from Republicans (“We didn’t know anything”) didn’t work. The second response (“We should all wait until we have all the facts”) was unpersuasive, because all the available evidence was already pretty bad. The third response (“Let’s blame the gays”) had a certain insane quality. And the fourth (“It’s Democrats’ fault”) just made the right look foolish.

Finally, they’ve stumbled upon something coherent: “[tag]Foleygate[/tag]” just doesn’t matter very much.

The other day I was reading a lead editorial in the Wall Street Journal complaining that the Mark Foley scandal had drowned out more substantive matters. “The war on terror, and Iraq, really are the largest issues in front of the American people,” urged the editors. “We need a clear reading on that in November, not on the personal ruin of Mark Foley.”

Indeed, it’s spread fairly quickly. As Glenn Greenwald noted, far-right pundit Thomas Sowell devoted his most recent column to urging the nation to “get serious.”

With a war going on in Iraq and with Iran next door moving steadily toward a nuclear bomb that could change the course of world history in the hands of international terrorists, the question for this year’s elections is not whether you or your candidate is a Democrat or a Republican but whether you are serious or frivolous.

The Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol responded to the Foley controversy in a similar fashion.

It’s not credible to tar a political party with the misdeeds of one person. … Issues usually trump scandals. Americans like reading about scandals. They like watching Desperate Housewives. But voting is different from voyeurism.

Pushing this tack is a little tricky — the right has to be careful not to say that a sexual predator preying on minors, and the subsequent cover-up by the House Republican leadership, is trivia. White House Press Secretary Tony Snow tried this, but the reaction was so negative, he didn’t try it again.

That said, even if the right is cautious not to belittle cyberstalking of teens, there’s another small flaw in the argument.

At this risk of getting too “reality-based” on these guys, the problem is they all said the exact opposite just eight years ago.

The Wall Street Journal may argue that they want “substantive matters” at the fore now, not a tawdry Republican sex scandal, but the newspaper felt differently when it was a Democrat.

[T]he Journal editorial page devoted most of the 1990s to fervently hyping up sundry Bill [tag]Clinton[/tag] [tag]scandals[/tag], from a murky land deal in Arkansas to the firing of the staff of the all-important White House travel office to, of course, Clinton’s tawdry sex life. The Journal published so many editorials on these personal scandals that it compiled them into a book, “Whitewater,” that reached a staggering 541 pages. Then it proceeded to write enough subsequent scandal editorials to fill up five more books of comparable length. Now, though, it wants an earnest forum on the issues.

Thomas Sowell was right there with them.

In the late 1990s — when Osama bin Laden was busy building his Worldwide Jihadi Army to wage war against Western Civilization in order to enslave us all under his Caliphate Empire — Sowell, the Serious Scholar, devoted the vast bulk — really, virtually all — of his scholarly attention to Susan McDougal, Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, the secret connections between the Clintons and Arkansas drug dealers, and the mysteries surrounding Vince Foster’s so-called “suicide.”

As for our old friend Bill Kristol, consider his May 25, 1998 editorial insisting:

“the dominant issue of the 1998 election will be Bill Clinton and Bill Clinton alone; his perjury; his cover-up; his obstruction of justice; and, yes, his sexual misconduct.”

Now, of course, [tag]conservatives[/tag] want us to get our priorities straight. Great idea — where does [tag]hypocrisy[/tag] fall on the list of priorities?

“Don’t vote us out because of Foley!”

“You’re right – there are so many more compelling, substantive reasons to vote you out!”

  • OK lads, let’s talk about the “real” issues. War in Iraq? How’s that going? Oh, you don’t want to talk about that. How about Osama bin Laden? Has anyone seen him recently? That’s no good either? OK then. How about North Korea? The economy? Corruption in every level of government? The steady erosion of the Constitution? School shootings? Fussy bastards.

    Here’s what the racket about “seriousness” means:

    1. Don’t talk about Foleygate, it makes us look bad.
    2. Don’t talk about Foleygate, we can’t spin it to make Democrats look “unAmerican.”
    3. Don’t talk about Foleygate, it can’t be buried under a plie of “National Security” rhetoric.
    4. Don’t talk about Foleygate, it hits too close to behaviour we’ve engaged in.

    There’s nothing they can do except try to change the subject; Trying to change the subject suggests child stalkers aren’t something people should really care about; there’s no subject they really want to discuss and they’re too stupid to keep their heads down and shaddup.

  • I personally think that the biggest problem with this tact is that the GOP looks like crap on the subjects they want us to talk about. I guess I just take it as a given that they are lying hypocrits.

    -jjf

  • I think it would have to take Foley sending e-mails to a fetus to get the Republicans to get really, REALLY, up in arms and take the issue seriously. How much more substantive can you get then a gay fetaphile?

  • Kinda ties in with your earlier item about Dobson’s “It’s a prank.” approach.

    And, again, it’s not the scandal, it’s the cover up and lack of responsible oversight by the Congress’ Republicans. What Foley did is only part of it. What the Republican leadership didn’t do is the other part.

    It’s hard for the Repubs unrouse their rabble.

    It’s a time-honored tradition for the religious populists to idolize slick hucksters. It’s kind of fun to see those blow-dried political Elmer Gantrys being pulled down off their pedistals like a Saddam statue in Bagdad.

  • So, Republicans, which do you consider worst for the nation and why: a Republican leadership that covers up for a sexual predator, or a president who lies to get us into a war, or an administration that cannot competently occupy and rebuild a small third-world country, or a political party in charge that cannot manage either the protection or rebuilding of a major US city, or having a near totality of Republicans make torture an official US policy, or all the Republican policies that work against the American middle class on behalf of further enriching the extremely wealthy, destruction of fundamental American rights, or having a vice-president who shoots his friend in the face and gets off without even an investigation?

  • They also need to be careful not to push the concept of seriousness too much. They’ve spent the last six years telling us that serious thinking is what wusses do. Real men bomb the living hell out of whatever they can find.

  • Sure, they said that eight years ago. And the liberals said that the Clinton scandals were irrelevant because there were real issues facing the country. Are we being hypocritical now?

  • How much more substantive can you get then a gay fetaphile?

    I’ll see your gay fetaphile, and posit that the ultimate Republican scandal would be a Congressman who gets off on impregnating women and then convincing them to abort the resulting fetuses (feti?).

  • God’s Own Predators: “What do you mean, do as I do? You’re supposed to do as I say!!! We’re the party that makes our own reality. All you reality-based liberals are just spoiling things, you’re !!!!!!”

  • And the liberals said that the Clinton scandals were irrelevant because there were real issues facing the country. Are we being hypocritical now?

    [steveh2]

    Well you see hoss, not only is there a difference between sexual contact between an adult and a minor and two consenting adults (I assume you understand this) but the liberals really did want to discuss real matters. And you’ll note that Clinton got a lot done despite Ken Starr sniffing the Oval Office rug every five minutes. On the other hand, the neo-cons have done nothing but bash people who want to seriously discuss the war, international policy, domestic policy, etc, etc ad nauseum.

    NB: Discuss means rational straight-foward conversation that allows for multiple opinions. It does not mean blindly bleating along with whatever the Powers that Be tell you and calling those who disagree traitors. This cry for seriousness from the right-wanks is the adult equivalent of jamming one’s fingers into both ears and shouting “I can’t heeear yooooou!”

    So to answer your question: Yup.

  • The Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol responded to the Foley controversy in a similar fashion.

    It’s not credible to tar a political party with the misdeeds of one person. — CB

    No, of course not. And, thankfully, Foley’s but a coda to most of the attacks.The oeuvre (spell?) is the massive cover-up, which happily involves tens if not hundreds of Repubs. I adore the anti-Reynolds ad (to be seen on today’s Election Central) — music an’ all 🙂 Let’s nail the bastards, but good.

    As everyone else has said — and I will reiterate — the Repubs are screwed to the wall no matter what subject they might want to talk about; discussing Folley ad nauseam might be letting them off easy. And we’re doing it only because their base can understand concepts like “trying to bed a minor of the same sex” more speedily than “the vaunted tax cuts do not reach your purse”. Right?

  • I agree with the point that we should be focusing on the politicians instead of the conduct of Foley. However, I believe the scandal for the GOP is about how they ignored red flags for at least 5 yrs. That has directly to do with leadership and integrity issues. As N. Wells said in post 6, this is just another example of the GOP intentionally ignoring the facts and not being accountable for their actions. That is a serious issue.

  • Doing a google on Thomas Sowell and Whitewater leads to some pretty horrifying reading. To spare others the misery: hypocrisy is rampant.

    A good money quote regarding the allegations of W’s drunk driving conviction and how W was nailed not for speeding, but driving too slow (hence proving W knows his limitaions), “We could use somebody in Washington with an awareness of his own limitations, instead of the arrogant recklessness and disregard of others that is all too apparent in the Clinton/Gore administration.”

    If only W did know of his own mental and tempramental limitations, what a more wonderful this would be. I wonder what rationalization Sowell is using now with the unearthing that while Sowell and his fellow nitwits were chasing the skirts of Monica Lewinsky and Linda Tripp, Bill Clinton was busy trying to get Osama bin Laden.

  • “Are we being hypocritical now?”

    No. Why? Because they won the argument during the Lewinsky affair, and we lost. They established a new regime under which the substantive was buried beneath the frivolous.

    They established the regime, now they must live under it.

  • Gosh golly gee, Mr. Wizard; the Wall Street Journal is “thinking in pre-9/11 terms” again. I’m waiting to see if someone in the news gaggle plays this card….

    SNOW: “We need to get serious about…

    JOURNALIST: “Tony, to quote your boss, ‘That’s pre-9/11 thinking!’ “

  • Why would they want to get serious? What’s there to offer? Let’s just keep it to the Axis of Evil countries…

    Iraq — chaos. Worse than it was when Bush got in there.

    Iran — moving toward nuclear weapons, has found its position undeniably stronger thanks to the removal of the counterweight, Saddam.

    North Korea — has nuclear weapons, probably the last frakin’ regime we would have wanted to do so.

    Oh, and where’s Osama bin Laden?

    By all means, fellas. Get serious. Focus on those successes, we beg you.

  • I have to agree with all the commentors here. Serious, we don’t mind Serious. We’d love to be serious. The incompetence of the Congressional Republican’ts regarding Foley using the page program as his personal trolling ground for future sexual partners is trivial compared to years of incompetence governing this country.

    Yes, Serious we are ready for.

    Then hit them with the whole list.

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