This Week in God

First up from the God machine is an interesting poll gauging support for “faith-based” funding among the one constituency that’s supposed to support it most.

Half of the nation’s evangelical Christians do not support government funding of faith-based organizations, a survey shows.

New data released Wednesday (Oct. 25) from the Baylor Religion Survey show that 50 percent of evangelicals, and 65 percent of the total population, think federal funding of religious organizations is inappropriate. Twenty-six percent of the total respondents surveyed said they agree with such funding.

That’s rather surprising. The conventional wisdom, particularly in the White House, is that evangelicals are anxious to see the government finance ministries’ work. Indeed, it’s almost a foregone conclusion — whenever Bush speaks before a religious audience, he touts his (alleged) commitment to funding faith-based groups as proof that he’s one of them.

But a poll like this one suggests otherwise. It also hints at one of the reasons the president’s faith-based scheme struggled to make progress in Congress during Bush’s first term — it had plenty of critics, and lacked key allies. After all, if religious minorities didn’t like it, and civil libertarians didn’t like it, and constitutional scholars said it was legally dubious, and half of the evangelical community rejects the very idea, you start to get the sense the only real supporters of the White House faith-based initiative are actually in the White House.

For that matter, thanks to David Kuo, we know that the Bush gang wasn’t all that committed to the project anyway, and simply saw the initiative as a political gimmick. No wonder the whole thing flopped.

Next up is an item from Newsweek on folks on the opposite end of the theological spectrum.

The magazine ran a brief profile of Sam Harris, whom Newsweek describes as “an unlikely infidel.”

But as infidels go, Harris is an astonishingly successful one. The son of a Jewish mother and a Quaker father, he has written one of two books currently on The New York Times best-seller list that debunk belief in God, any belief in God, as irrational at best and destructive to human society at worst.

This week “Letter to a Christian Nation” sits at 6 on the hard-cover nonfiction list, up from 11 from last week; the other, Richard Dawkins’s “The God Delusion,” is number 8, up from 12. In spite of his appearance, Harris is very angry, and “Letter” is a readable, exhortatory screed, a response to all the Scripture-quoting e-mail he received from Christians who read his first book. Religion, he writes in “Letter,” is “obscene” — not just repellent, but “utterly repellent.”

Maybe this book-selling trivia, but two of the top eight non-fiction books in the United States are paeans to atheism? Has this ever happened before? Maybe Bush is sparking a secularist backlash … or maybe atheists like to read a lot.

And finally, by way of Carpetbagger regular M.W., we learn of a fascinating — if not a little bizarre — theatrical production in NYC.

In 2004, some members of the experimental theatre group Les Freres Corbusier went to see a production in Los Angeles of a show called “Hollywood Hell House.”

The show, which featured such well-known comedians as Bill Maher and Sarah Silverman, was a satirical take on the haunted tours given by some Evangelical churches around the country in an attempt to make people avoid the temptations of sin.

“We were sort of astounded by the source material … and we couldn’t believe that this was being used as a tool for conversion,” said Alex Timbers, Corbusier’s artistic director and the director of “Hell House.”

“But we felt that the way that the Los Angeles people had presented the show was not really helpful in making any sort of argument or allowing the audience to choose. It was done with such derision and broad sketch comedy performance style that it was impossible to separate the critique from the actual production.”

Two years later, the group is putting on a “Hell House” of their own. The difference comes with the way the show is being presented. In a performing arts space near the waterfront in Brooklyn, Les Freres Corbusier has chosen to present “Hell House” with nary an ironic wink, even consulting with the material’s original author, Keenan Roberts, in an effort to hew as closely to the source material as possible.

The result is something almost unthinkable in an area of New York where black-rimmed glasses and edgy T-shirts are a much more common accessory than a cross: a straightforward representation of a controversial Evangelical conversion method performed by a secular theatre group.

“Our goal was to do the show as a sociological artifact, presented objectively as evangelicals would do it,” said Aaron Lemon-Strauss, the show’s producer.

The show is apparently not for the feint of heart — at least seven people have reportedly fainted while taking tours.

In one way we atheists are like religious folk, even though our premises are pretty simple and we believe them already, we still like to keep reading about it. Even though as an atheist I can toss religions aside with “if God create us who created God?” and go about my daily business, I eagerly read every book on atheism like a religious person reads every new take on one of the oldest books around.

  • “The conventional wisdom, particularly in the White House, is that evangelicals are anxious to see the government finance ministries’ work. ”

    I would disagree to some extent with this point as I see the “devotion” to faith based ministries and such as mere propaganda to motivate the base. The devotion is for the sheep, which allows the wolves in sheep’s clothing, Dobson etc., to maintain control over the flock.

    As for David Kuo, it was shocking how quickly the religious right turned on one of their own for merely saying that there was no commitment to the program.

  • That 50 percent opposition to government funding probably comes from the older, long-term, members, who remember that the Baptist movement was originally known as “dissenters,” who were opposed to government control of religion in any form, since such had been used to oppress them and their church. Of course, this is also the non-Southern Baptist version of the Baptist movement, Southern Baptisim having been founded to protect and promote slavery and as such having been declared the state church of Confederate Treason, a position it still maintains today as it brings the unthinking and morally illiterate to its mega-churches and instructs them in Upholding The True State, the southern theocracy.

  • Is the parallel of Judas taking 30 pieces of silver from the authorities to sell out Jesus making the evangelicals less comfortable with taking cash from the government to sell out their faith for political advantage?

  • Oddly enough, atheisism can be called a religion.

    Religion …2. A belief, activity, or cause pursued with fervor and devotion. – Websters II New Riverside Dictionary.

  • Oddly enough, atheisism can be called a religion. — PhilW, @7

    I’ve always thought so myself — it’s a mirror belief of God-belief, with no proof for either side of the argument. As such, it’s no more dangerous than any other religion. It’s when either of them becomes an “activity” that the danger signs begin to appear. “Applied religion” — whether pro- or anti-God — always seems to end up restrictive to the point of killing (vide the various churches and communism).

    In Poland, the tendency used to be to impose the anti-God belief; now, it’s to impose the opposite. My feeling has always been: “I’ll let you keep your superstitions, if you’ll do me the courtesy of allowing me to keep mine”

  • PhilW,

    All right. All right. Atheism can be called a religion, in the most colloquial meaning of the word “religion”.

    And yes, there is indeed such a thing as “atheist evangelism” (and Sam Harris is its prophet).

    But the Christians started first. It’s just self-defense :>

    PS : Libra, I’m afraid you miss the point

  • Even according to PhilW’s definition, atheism is still not a religion, as devotion is distinctly *not* a feature of atheism. Nice try though.

  • Religionists typically suggest that atheism is another form of religion by citing the idea that it is a “belief” in the non-existence of God or gods or of any supernatural phenomena. The religionist will say that atheism is actually a faith-based philosophy since “you can’t prove that God doesn’t exist.” The problem here is obvious: you can’t prove the non-existence of anything, let alone God. It is impossible to “prove” that something does not exist. Proof can only be used to establish the existence of something. The atheist is saying that the existence of God is dubious because there is no indication that life, or anything else in the universe, can appear spontaneously without an observable cause. This is not a statement of “belief”, it’s a statement of fact.

    Finally, according to PhilW, football is religion because it is an activity pursued with fervor and devotion. Cooking is religion because it is an activity pursued with fervor and devotion. Politics is religion because it is an activity pursued with fervor and devotion. Sexual intercourse is religion because it is an activity pursued with fervor and devotion. Raising children is religion because………………………………………………………………………

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