Sunday Discussion Group

We don’t know whether Dems are going to do well in just nine days, but let’s say, just for the sake of discussion, that Dems do well enough to reclaim the majority in at least one chamber.

With nearly all of the political establishment, on both sides of the aisle now expecting this to happen, Republicans have already begun trying to put Dems on the defensive about, well, acting like the Republican majority. If Dems had a congressional majority, the GOP says, they might occasionally hold oversight hearings. If Dems had subpoena power, Republicans warn, they might ask some inconvenient questions of the Bush administration. If Dems had real power in Congress, their conservative critics shriek, they might treat their political rivals nearly as badly as congressional Republicans have over the last 12 years.

To a certain extent, Dems are already on the defensive. Several party leaders have already promised to take impeachment off the table, for example. Others are subtly promising that they’ll “play nice” — concentrating on policy goals, not political payback and contentious investigations.

With this in mind, Paul Krugman had some advice for the party earlier this week.

Now that the Democrats are strongly favored to capture at least one house of Congress, they’re getting a lot of unsolicited advice, with many people urging them to walk and talk softly if they win.

I hope the Democrats don’t follow this advice — because it’s bad for their party and, more important, bad for the country. In the long run, it’s even bad for the cause of bipartisanship.

There are those who say that a confrontational stance will backfire politically on the Democrats. These are by and large the same people who told Democrats that attacking the Bush administration over Iraq would backfire in the midterm elections. Enough said.

Is it?

The notion that Dems would become the all-investigation, all-the time party is already being derided by conservative leaders, and Dems seem wary of the label. But as far as Krugman is concerned, Dems’ niceties are not only irrelevant, they’re probably counterproductive.

Why … should the Democrats hold back? Because, we’re told, the country needs less divisiveness. And I, too, would like to see a return to kinder, gentler politics. But that’s not something Democrats can achieve with a group hug and a chorus of “Kumbaya.”

The reason we have so much bitter partisanship these days is that that’s the way the radicals who have taken over the Republican Party want it. People like Grover Norquist, who once declared that “bipartisanship is another name for date rape,” push for a hard-right economic agenda; people like Karl Rove make that agenda politically feasible, even though it’s against the interests of most voters, by fostering polarization, using religion and national security as wedge issues.

As long as polarization is integral to the G.O.P.’s strategy, Democrats can’t do much, if anything, to narrow the partisan divide.

Even if they try to act in a bipartisan fashion, their opponents will find a way to divide the nation — which is what happened to the great surge of national unity after 9/11…. The truth is that we won’t get a return to bipartisanship until or unless the G.O.P. decides that polarization doesn’t work as a political strategy. The last great era of bipartisanship began after the 1948 election, when Republicans, shocked by Harry Truman’s victory, decided to stop trying to undo the New Deal. And that example suggests that the best thing the Democrats can do, not just for their party and their country, but for the cause of bipartisanship, is what Truman did: stand up strongly for their principles.

What do you guys think of this argument? If Dems are as aggressive in the role of the majority party as Republicans have been the last 12 years, does that lead to an endless cycle of recriminations and bitterness? Or will that happen anyway because of a far-right dominated party that prefers destruction to governing?

Maybe 2007 should be a year of reaching across the aisle, with Dems showing themselves to the more mature, reasonable grown-ups in Washington. Or, maybe, as Digby put it, “Letting bygones be bygones and simply blathering on about how we all need to put the unpleasantness behind us and get along will not win the respect of the American people nor will it fix the problems this nation faces.”

What do you think?

I think “reasonable grown-ups” try to figure out where things went wrong, then correct them. Hearings followed by attempt to set policy are the best way to carry that project forward.

  • Bud’s right. It’s not an either-or. You can fix what went wrong without descending into the moral slimepit inhabited by the current wingnuts. It won’t be as easy, or nearly as much fun, but it’s better for the country in the long run.

  • Investigation
    Democrats should concentrate on fixing the mess that BushCo and it congressional subsidiary have created. That means developing a better understanding of exactly what has been done which in turn means investigations. These investigations will not be conducted in a vacuum and there will be push back from BushCo. They are going to squeal like stuck pigs. This is how Tom DeLay responded to Ronnie Earle’s investigation, but it is worth noting that that particular pig ain’t squealin’ anymore. I say go for it.

    Impeachment
    I have for a long time thought that it would not be in the country’s best interest to impeach Bush and Cheney, because it would be seen by some as payback for the Clinton impeachment. I still believe that. However, if the investigations of BushCo turns up evidence of actions on their part which subverts our democracy, such as using the NSA to spy on political enemies, then I say impeach, but only if they can also convict. That of course means that they must have control of both the House and the Senate.

    Comity
    I agree completely with Krugman. There can be no bipartisanship in Washington as long as the current horde of Republicans are around. They have to be beat back first.

  • The investigations aren’t simply “payback”, they’re necessary to uncover all the rot and corruption that’s been going on, largely in secret, with the Republicans. That’s not revenge, it’s simply doing their job.

    As far as returning to bipartisanship goes, my feeling is that would be a huge mistake by the Democrats, because the feeling won’t be reciprocated. Until the GOP voters decide to elect reasonable, moderate congressmen and senators, and not the collection of kooks, nutjobs, nasty partisans and corrupt powermongers they have now, there is absolutely no reason to try to accomodate them.

  • Dems should, if they take control of one or both houses, act as representatives of those people who elected them. The majority of people in this country would like to see congress return to its primary job which is not to make laws but to oversee the executive branch of Gov and to work as an equal partner in the selection of the Judiciary. If the only way the Dems can carry out their job is to act in a partisan way so be it. It is all about power and currently the executive has too much and some sort of balance need to be restored.

  • The long term goal of Dems has to be to discredit the backward, authoritarian, fundamentalist thinking that pervades the right. Those elements are not going to fade away quietly on their own, so it seems to me that Democratic gains in one or both houses is but one step in a longer struggle. If Dems could calmly go about restoring the balance of powers, focusing on a few investigations of the Bush administration with the broadest public support and let the investigations lead where they will – without talking about impeachment at the outset – I think they’d force the right to reveal themselves as the radicals they are. Whatever agenda Dems pursue, I think it’s important not to get too far ahead of the public, lest Dems once again be seen as out of the mainstream. The way the system works, you still need a majority to rule.

  • I think the Dems have to come in with the attitude that they are investigating a criminal enterprise. There’s an excellent article in today’s LA Times about how Rove is using Government Resources to bolster candidates around the country. And it tells how Rove has held regular meetings with government employees that verge on illegal injection of politics into the federal workforce. I suspect Rove is going over several lines right now as we approach the election and will probably provide enough evidence of criminality in the next three days for a year of trials..

    What I find frustrating is that the MSM is probably now sitting on scandals that they won’t reveal until after the election.

  • Should the Dems prevail, they should stick with what got them there – the dire need for oversight, accountability and fiscal responsibility. Hearings and congressional investigations are traditional tools for this. If the repubs want to howl about the ‘partisanship’ of the legislature daring to meet it’s constitutional obligations, let them try.

    As much as I support the impeachment of Bush and Cheney, there are too many problems meeting everyday working people to fit impeachment into this term.
    That’s as far as I’m willing to let bygones be bygones. Hold the repubs to their own rules for this term, at a bare minimum. If they want to negotiate how future congresses operate, that’s fine by me. But the current GOP needs a heavy dose of it’s own medicine before their outraged protests can pass a giggle test.
    Perhaps the most important task for a Dem majority will be dragging the modern GOP back to reality. While I’m not sure that’s possible, it’s crucial that the two political parties have at least a passing familiarity with reality. Today’s GOP won’t even put a toe into it.

  • We already know the criminality and cynicism and hypocrisy of the Bush Crime Family and the rest of the Republicans … all of them. I hope the Democrats can muster up the energy and courage to give them all the hell they deserve for the way they’ve treated the country for years now. While they’re at it they should immediately pull out of the quagmire, re-establish the fairness doctrine, set up war profiteering tribunals, take away the tax-giveaways-for-the-rich and so on. And we should inform our “leaders” who insist on capitulating (even prior to winning) that their days at the congressiona/federal tit are over. Lead or get out of the way, ya bastards!

  • If Democrats don’t see how dangerously close America is to losing democracy and all that America has stood for, then they are fools. Things didn’t get this way because everybody played nice. They got this way because the Bush Republicans played every dirty trick in the book while the Democrats stood by blinking and silent en masse. The few who spoke out were reviled and unsupported by their own party.

    There is no reason there will be bipartisanship until the Democrats show their muscle and stop as much of the Bush vandalism of America as they can with control of the House in the next two years. And do it immediately and strongly in response to America’s concerns. If the Republicans don’t want to go along with that, they’ll be even more cancerously-visible in the 2008 elections and defeated.

    People don’t cheer for the courageous because they’re nice and cooperative. Courage isn’t required under those conditions. People cheer for and follow the courageous because they’re right and because they represent the best in human beings. The courageous fight their way to something better.

    If Democrats don’t believe these times call for courage to defy the evil and stop the Bush administration’s destruction of America, the Republicans will come roaring back in 2008 even stronger, and Americans will know that nothing can stop it.

  • So, the Democrats get into power and leave the bastards alone. As a result, nothing changes so in 2008 the ReThuglicans can say: “See? They bitched and moaned about us but didn’t do a thing to make things better,” and as a result we get something worse than the current lot. No. Thank. You.

    Grover “Fuckwit” Norquist can compare bi-partisanship to date rape all he wants. This Admin’s SOP is like being gang banged by a bunch of unwashed bikers.

    What’s happening now is the equivalent of a fight with the neighborhood bully.* When his victim starts to smack him around the bully starts to blubber “No fair, stop it, I’m sorry, I was only kiddin’! We’re friends right?” The former victim has two choices at this point: He can say sure we’re friends, shake hands and watch his back until the bully moves on to bigger crimes. Or, he can bust the little bastards lip wide open and work him over until an adult breaks up the fight.

    I know its not what our mothers taught us, but the victim has to thrash bully or he’ll just keep coming back, over and over: “Ha ya sissy. Bet you can’t beat me this time.” The ReThugs don’t understand truces or compromise. They view it as a weakness. They do understand punishment and that’s what the Democrats have to deliver if they want to get anything done. Otherwise it’ll be political wedgies and swirlies until 2008.

    tAiO

    *Not that I have ever engaged in acts of agression. I’m a peace-loving hippycrat. As a child I always gave bullies daisies and skipped away singing “Aquarius.”

  • If the Democrats do regain the House and/or Senate, and they fail to act agressively, they will, justifiably, quickly lose their majority again.

    If the Democrats win, it’s because enough people are pissed off about the way the Republicans have mishandled and looted America. The only reason that I want to see a Democrat smiling at a Republican in the House is if the Democrat is holding a shiv in his hand and is about to use it.

    A lot of people think that the Democrats are spineless wimps- and they are mostly correct (just look, for example, at the damn party, instead of standing lock-step behind the Democratic nominee in CT, Lamont, they have been quietly begging Lieberman to not be too mean to them if he wins… I mean, c’mon. A REAL party would have kicked Liberman out of the caucus when he lost the primary, but continued to run anyway.).

    It’s not a coincidence that the Republicans, facing a loss in the House, at least, are trying to convince the Democrats to play nice if they win- and, following my general rule, if my enemy likes something, then I probably don’t want to be doing that.

    Hell, why should the Dems even talk to a party where such outrageous acts like a chairman ordering the Capitol Police to remove the Democrats from a hearing happened?

    Slam the Republicans, be good financial stewards of the country’s money, start a few war cimes tribunals to investigate the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice cabal, and start fixing the place up a bit.

  • “Bipartisanship” with the current gang of thugs controlling our government is tantamount to Churchill’s revelations on crocodiles and appeasement; it does nothing more than offset the day in which you will become the crocodile’s “entree du’jour.”

    And the “shrill shilling” of nattering neoconservative ninnyhammers as regards the horrors of investigations are, in a way, justifiable, given that THEY are the ultimate target of those investigations.

    Investigations are, it is true, both expensive and time-consuming. Given the overly-broad parameters that these investigations will require—the default prerequisite being that the magnitude of radical neoconservative corruption are on a scale unknown in the annals of United States history, dwarfing even the historical criminalities of Tammany Hall—it would be optimisitc to contemplate the normal functioning of the Federal Legislature in 2007.

    However, the fear that the Congress might find itself legislatively immobilized, possibly for up to an entire year, by these investigations is exponentially dwarfed by the unthinkable option of allowing this government—and its path of heinous, profitmongering corruption—to “stay the course.” For to allow the unfettered bloating of this administration’s foul stench is to mandate the required inflation of time necessary for the inclusive production points of that stench to be officially identified, publicly illuminated, and criminally prosecuted to its fullest extent.

    In prosecuting what may well become known as “America’s War on Neoconservative Terrorism,” it is also of the highest importance to understand that these investigations cannot merely end at the chambers of Congress, or even at the opposite end of Pennsylvania Avenue, for the infestatious infection that so plagues this nation exists well beyong the official offices of government. It exists in the halls of K Street, and the myriad thousands of “Baby K Streets” that exist across the face of the planet. It exists in the foundational constructs of what most people generically refer to as “The Religious Right.” It exists in the broadcast booths of each and every Rush Limbaugh; it sits at the host desk of every Bill O’Reilly; it stands on the stage occupied by every conceivable manifestation of those who would promote themselves either as a clone of Ann Coulter—or as the “CoulterGeist” herself.

    Such a corruption cannot be merely “surface washed;” it cannot be wiped away with a cloth and a wee bit of PineSol. It is a corruption that infests this nation as the Imperial Japanese fanatics entrenched themselves upon the island of Iwo Jima some six decades ago. It will not be enough to merely gain the summit, and plant a flag for photographic immortality. As with that island, the only way to defeat what has become a deeply-entrenched adversary who knows nothing of the real world beyond the fantastical, nationalistic pipedreams of Neoconservativism—a ferverous theology comparable in many facets to the zealousness of Shintoism during Imperial Japan’s militarist era—is by clearing out every last nest; every last pit; every last bastion employed by a cultish movement that brazenly boasts of its ability to threaten Supreme Court Justices with poisoning, journalists with execution, and simple, ordinary citizens with the likes of waterboarding.

    Let the Cheneys and the Rumsfelds; the Hasterts and the Brownbacks; the Imuses and the Hannitys all know this—that the height of their “Tide of Hate” has ebbed, and the debt that they owe to these United States, Her Constitution, and Her People, is long overdue.

    As with any long overdue debt, there are compounded penalties and interests.

    Bipartisanship? Such a thing is, in today’s political environment, synonymous to the regrowth of a forest that has been scoured clean by the purification of fire. As that regrowth is the effect, it must by default be preceded by the cause—which is the fire.

    And in today’s ultra-polarized political environment, the only viable purification; the only measurable path to “true” bipartisanship”—is the “fire” of Congressional investigations….

  • I’m with David #5 and Joe W #8. The Dems, should the Diebolding fail, should get into Congress and DO THEIR JOB. Part of that job is oversight. I would love for it to get to the point where my eyes start to glaze over when I read that another committee is being appointed to investigate some alleged wrongdoing by these scumbags. That’s how I’ve felt for the past few years now and it’s actually been accelerating with all the criminal enterprises that they’ve been engaging in. An example is Dale’s reference to Rove, ho hum, another example of defrauding the people and crossing the line, what a shocker.

    But when, in my vision of things to come, when all these committees start handing out subpoenas and indictments start being handed down, it will be that punch in the bully’s nose. And the American people will see that the investigations are legitimate and worthwhile. I’ve yet to see a congressman indicted/convicted, think Rostenkowski, Ney, Cunningham, etc., where ‘the people’ have risen up in opposition.

    Of course, we’ll see lots of polls taken saying that people are tired of the investigations/committees, etc., but the Dems should ignore this and continue to DO THEIR JOB.

    As for the impeachment part, that’s putting the cart before the horse. First, you investigate. If there are grounds to impeach, you impeach. I said it on an earlier post, Pelosi taking impeachment off the table is asenine. It’s like taking a military solution off the table in negotiations. It always has to be a threat. I mean, good lord, it’s in the Constitution and is part of the congressional oversight authority.

    So my congressman (Gallegly, sigh) and senators will hear from me that investigations are a part of our obligations as cititzens.

    Here’s hoping.

  • I agree with Krugman. For some reason, reading the comments, I remembered terrific teachers I’ve had who were in love with what they believed in and taught it well but who put up with absolutely no bullshit. “Bullshit” meant not only bad behavior, language, attitude, but laziness and absence of serious thought, effort. The result was they were almost always the most popular teachers/courses, and new students knew ahead of time what to expect — and what not to do. I’d like to see Democratic leaders set the same standard.

    There’s an element of dignity and restraint needed when you’re going to deal with serious matters and what the Dems will have to deal with in the House, if they win a majority, is very serious stuff. Serious investigations, serious obligations to voters, a seriously unplanned and botched invasion and its aftermath, serious government corruption, serious social issues. Confrontation — just like war — should always be the last resort, even when one is dealing with really bad people, be they jihadists in Middle East or jihadist Republicans in Congress.

    We’ve always been more humane and wiser than Republicans. I hope we still are.

  • Regardless of what the Democrats do, the Republican talk machine will try to convert it into bile. My hope is that the Democrats will hold down the ranting and raving and investigate with some dignity.

    Dignity and intelligence have been sorely missing since the 2000 election.

  • Well, with victory under their belts, the Democrats can’t storm Washington, DC with torches and pitchforks (I prefer tar and feathers, myself). Democrats have to take a methodical approach to “draining the swamp.” It may take time, but public support for reform will grow with a reasonable approach.

    I also think that Speaker-to-be Pelosi needs to exercise a prophylactic discipline on House Democrats. It’s a simple message: Act corruptly (e.g.- Rep. Jefferson of Louisiana) and the leadership will expose you; zero tolerance, because it hurts the party.

    And lastly, let’s not “count our chickens” until November 8th. I hope that on Sunday, November 12th, the Carpetbagger will solict us for specific ideas to be part of the Democratic agenda. Until then, I’ve got an idea or two under my hat, and I’m keeping my victory expectations in check.

  • As with most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I stronly believe that Americans are best served by divided government and Deomocracy at its most functional is supposed to be one big argument. You should never apologize for that. It’s when people stop arguing when the system breaks down. This is not to say that cooperation and the spirit compromise don’t have a critical roles in the process when it funcitons. Of course they do. But so does standing in principle and in practice, anyone unwilling to do a healthy amount of the latter is not going to get much of the former.

    So yes, you do have to meet people half way a lot of the time to accomplish anything worth doing in a democratic government — and ideological purists would do well to remember that. Democracy is not about any one party getting everything it wants (that would be a totalitarianism), it’s about most parties getting a deal that would live with. But there’s also a word for people too willing to compromise, and too averse to conflict to stand up for what they believe in: they’re called doormats.

  • I too am fearful that electronic voting suffers from too many integrity questions. Though I believe Americans will go to the polls this mid-term and overwhelmingly vote Democratic. I also believe that the turn-out for faith based voters will be lower than in the past three election cycles. That said, if the new Congress merely embraces oversight, that will be a good thing every American would welcome, for an array of reasons. Remember, we are angry for several things this current Congress has and has not done in its last two terms – earmarking, Abramhoff, K Street, no-bid contracts, pedophiles being protected, unprotected troops while Iraq costs go skyrocketing, Congressional profiteering, Cunningham, Ney, and so much more!

    Just by sweeping the cobwebs off of the oversight chambers, we will no doubt find an abundance of malfeasance that sprung from the original 1994 “Contract with America.” In all their efforts to distance themselves from the very power they have exercised for the past 12 years, these GOP pols are still the same Republicans who have mess our nation up so much it’s Constitutionally off-kilter.

    Yes, I think Americans are realizing that we’ve been hoodwinked by profit-motive politicians who have found gold in perpetual war and shrinking civil liberties. Oversight should be often and early if the Republican party is indeed de-throned come November 7th, 2006.

  • The Dems should be as open as possible about investigations into coruption in Congress. After six years of secrecy in the name of “national security” I think we need as open a government at possible. I don’t think impeachment should even be mentioned, with only two years of Bush and company in office the Dems should just have investigations into the most egregious of the possible crimes commited by the administration and congress itself. There should be so much stink on Bush that the Republicans would be in a lose lose situation. If Bush, Cheney, or Rove had to step down because of the corruption that would be exposed in an investigation the Republicans would have an uphill battle to keep the Whitehouse. If they do not step down, same difference. This is why the Republicans are in such a panic, if the Dems get any power at all, they not only win back Congress, they could walk away with the Whitehouse in two years. At least that is the dream.

  • The Dems have an agenda they wish to pursue and if they take control of one or both chambers, I want them to go for it. Invite Repubs to give suggestions, offer amendments, participate in the discussion, and I’ll bet many moderate R’s will be grateful to actually serve their constituents and will play nicely. BUT if any of these issues are undermined by the right wingers, I say the Dems should squash them like bugs. And the Dems should conduct oversight hearings definitely.

    As far as impeachment, I’m on the side of not pursuing it simply because time is a wasting; the Rs have wasted the last bunch of years failing to address issues important to all Americans and we need to get to work on trying to solve them. In other words, the Dems should be uniters, not dividers.

  • When William Jefferson was caught with his hands in the cookie jar, the Democratic leadership *immediately* stripped him of every authority and power he had in Congress, no questions asked, and they didn’t even wait for him to be charged with anything.

    All we need to do is emphasize that we’re gonna be as tough on Republicans as we are on ourselves.

  • Suggested Demo Bumperstickers:

    Damn Right!
    Payback’s A Bitch
    Just Do It

    Let the playground bullies whine all they want, it’s time for Dems to start acting like Dems and not like Republican’s doormats.

  • I like Krugman, but framing things the way he did is a mistake. It may come as a shock to people, but politicians actually have a real job, and that’s running the government. And the main reason Republicans are in trouble now is because they’ve failed to do that, and failed at what little they’ve tried to do. Because they’re FAILURES.

    Democrats don’t need to confront Bush, or ignore him, or atagonize him, or roll over for hime, or scratch his belly, or pee themselves. Democrats need to LEAD in governing this country. Shut up about politics, shut up about the Republican Party, and get on which making the kinds of changes that Americans want.

    First order of business: FORCE a timetable on withdrawal from Iraq. Nothing precipitious, but move past talking points to legislation.

    Second order of business: FORCE Congress to allow Medicare to be able to negotiatite for bulk purchases of prescritiption druges.

    Third order of business: renewable fuels. Have you ever seen more unanimity across the aisle on any issue? On my TV and in my mailbox I’ve got just as many Republicans talking about renewables ad Democrats. Well isn’t that an invitation to write legislation and get something passed? How is Bush going to veto something like that? Hello?

    Everybody will understand that these three things are attacks on the President. The pundits will make it clear. Democrats don’t have to.

    Democrats need to lead.

  • Michael Crowley has a good piece in TNR on the plans of of the executivvarious prospective Dem committee chairmen regarding investigations & subpoenas (http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20061106&s=crowley110606; sub only unfortunately). Thanks to six years of Republican neglect of basic oversight functions, they have a very long list of topics they’d like to look into. Here’s Dingell (yup, he’s still around):

    “Privacy,” he begins. “Social Security-number protection. Outsourcing protection. Unfair trade practices. Currency manipulation. Air quality. We’ll look at the implementation of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. We’ll take a look at climate change. We’ll take a look at [the Department of Energy’s] nuclear waste program, where literally billions of dollars are being dissipated. We’ll look at port security and nuclear smuggling, where there’s literally nothing being done. We’ll look at the Superfund program. We’ll take a look at EPA enforcement.” He pauses for a breath–but he’s just getting started: “On health, we’ll take a look at Medicaid and waivers. The Food and Drug Administration. Generic drug approval. Medical safety. We’ll also take a look at food supplements, where people are being killed. We will look at Medicare Part D [prescription drugs].” Is that all? “Telecom. We’ll look at FCC actions. … Media ownership. Adequate spectrum for police, fire, public safety, and addressing the problems of terrorism. … We will look also at the overall question of Katrina recovery efforts.”

    Waxman is more circumspect, but he does say, “One of my priorities will be to pursue waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayers’ money,” he explains, citing Hurricane Katrina, homeland security, and Iraq as potential examples.

    As Crowley points out, their plans are to target policies, not people. Who knows if it will work, but it gives me hope. Holding Rumsfeld et al to account may be gratifying to many of us, but can easily be spun as a witchhunt. But a drumbeat of revelations about waste, corruption, cronyism, fraud at every level of the Republican establishment will be much, much more powerful, and keep the momentum going into 2008.

  • The Dems have a tricky situation because they get to tell the nation how we’ve been swindled with short term illusion of prosperity financed by long term debt. The Republican drunken spending spree needs to end, as we get back to “pay as you” go discipline. It would be so Republican to stick the Dems with the blame for the consequences of deficit spending. Good Democratic communication with the voters with ongoing education about economic realities is critical.

  • Bullies and domestic abusers always want to “promote civility” once they’ve either had their ass whipped or been arrested. Drug addicts who have been robbing the neighborhood blind always want “understanding” when they stand before the judge. What they all need, what they almost always get, is they get tossed in jail.

    So the Republicans need to go to jail. Directly to jail; do not collect $200.

    We need to “de-Republicanize” America the way Germany was de-Nazified, and for the same reason. The radical far right revolutionaries need to be broken.

    I think Digby put it well:

    This is why I don’t want any of us to think for a moment that winning and losing elections means the same thing to us as it means to them. Democrats believe in government and they want to make it work. Republicans see government purely as a means to exert power. Unfortunately, they are not very good at that because in the modern world sheer, dumb might is no longer possible. The best they can do is loot the treasury and leave the rest of their mess to be cleaned up by the Democrats.

    What they really excel at is politics. Governance just hangs them up. And don’t think for a moment that they will be chagrined or ashamed and crawl off into a hole to lick their wounds. Being defeated liberates them to do what they are really good at — destroying the opposition and pushing their agenda with sophisticated, scorched earth political rhetoric. It’s not natural for them to be on the defense and they don’t like it. They are going back to their natural state — victimhood and the aggressive attack.

    Get ready. The Democrats will not only have to govern, but they will have to fix all the problems they’ve created while fighting them every step of the way. They’re not going away. And they will pull out every stop to win every election, not because they necessarily want to govern but because that’s how you keep score. For a long, long time they’ve been able to get their way whether they win or lose and they see no reason to doubt that will continue. And unless we put a stop to this they might be right.

    As to policy, John Dingell has it right, as Michael Crowley reported in The New Republic(an):

    As the Lord High Executioner said in The Mikado, ‘I have a little list.'” So says John Dingell, the 26-term Michigan House Democrat who spent 14 years as a mighty committee baron before the 1995 Republican Revolution booted him into the powerless minority. At last poised to reclaim his House Energy and Commerce Committee gavel, the 80-year-old Dingell now sounds like a man who can’t wait for 2007. Though he knows a House Democratic majority won’t pass much legislation, especially given George W. Bush’s veto pen, his chairmanship means he can subject the Bush administration to high-profile committee hearings–lots and lots of them.

    “Privacy,” he begins. “Social Security-number protection. Outsourcing protection. Unfair trade practices. Currency manipulation. Air quality. We’ll look at the implementation of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. We’ll take a look at climate change. We’ll take a look at [the Department of Energy’s] nuclear waste program, where literally billions of dollars are being dissipated. We’ll look at port security and nuclear smuggling, where there’s literally nothing being done. We’ll look at the Superfund program. We’ll take a look at EPA enforcement.” He pauses for a breath–but he’s just getting started: “On health, we’ll take a look at Medicaid and waivers. The Food and Drug Administration. Generic drug approval. Medical safety. We’ll also take a look at food supplements, where people are being killed. We will look at Medicare Part D [prescription drugs].” Is that all? “Telecom. We’ll look at FCC actions. … Media ownership. Adequate spectrum for police, fire, public safety, and addressing the problems of terrorism. … We will look also at the overall question of Katrina recovery efforts.”

    As Democrats have gained in the polls, Republicans are predicting that a Democratic majority will mean a frenzy of political witch hunts directed at them by newly installed chairmen like Dingell. “You can expect two years of all-out investigations and attacks and anything they can bring to bear,” Newt Gingrich warned on Fox News last March. Clearly aiming to calm the hysteria, George H.W. Bush recently warned it would be a “ghastly thing” for the United States if “wild Democrats” were put in charge of congressional committees. A Washington Times article fretted that “key administration officials will be so busy preparing for testimony that they will not be able to do their jobs.”

    But the curious thing about Dingell’s little list is that it targets policies–not people. While some Democrats may dream of hauling Karl Rove to the Hill to discuss Plamegate or forcing Dan Bartlett to testify about Dick Cheney’s hunting accident, Dingell is one of a number of future Democratic chairs who plan to focus on substance, not sideshows. And, as strange as it sounds, this may not come as a relief to Republicans. The GOP would love nothing more than for Democrats to go off on half-cocked, mean-spirited inquisitions that generate sympathy for the hapless Bushies. Alas, the GOP’s conduct during the Clinton years has provided Democrats with a near-perfect what-not-to-do manual.

    Treating the rightie Republicans in the House as the scum they are is exactly right, while reaching out to all the “real” conservatives and the moderates. The righties aren’t going to go back to Okeefenokee and crawl under their rocks. They aren’t going to stop till we do to them what was done to Nazi Germany: total defeat.

    Hearings. Truth squads. And victory in 2008.

  • Digby, bless her heart, gets right down to it:

    “This is why I don’t want any of us to think for a moment that winning and losing elections means the same thing to us as it means to them. Democrats believe in government and they want to make it work. Republicans see government purely as a means to exert power. Unfortunately, they are not very good at that because in the modern world sheer, dumb might is no longer possible. The best they can do is loot the treasury and leave the rest of their mess to be cleaned up by the Democrats.

    “What they really excel at is politics. Governance just hangs them up. And don’t think for a moment that they will be chagrined or ashamed and crawl off into a hole to lick their wounds. Being defeated liberates them to do what they are really good at — destroying the opposition and pushing their agenda with sophisticated, scorched earth political rhetoric. It’s not natural for them to be on the defense and they don’t like it. They are going back to their natural state — victimhood and the aggressive attack.

    “Get ready. The Democrats will not only have to govern, but they will have to fix all the problems they’ve created while fighting them every step of the way. They’re not going away. And they will pull out every stop to win every election, not because they necessarily want to govern but because that’s how you keep score. For a long, long time they’ve been able to get their way whether they win or lose and they see no reason to doubt that will continue. And unless we put a stop to this they might be right.”

  • When you bitch slap the bully, you don’t stop to feel bad when they cry.

    Democrats will have a mandate when they win. Investigate. Raise the minimum wage. Fund stem-cell research (oh, all the cures are fifteen years away. Yes, and you’ve wasted the last five.). Force a workable solution to Iraq. And pound on the Bushites for not getting Osama.

    If the investigations lead to calls for impeachment, I’ll just say again: Cheney First!

    There will be no bi-partisanship if the Republican’ts don’t want to play, and they won’t want to play if we bend over backward to accomidate them.

  • I don’t think the Dems are going to get a choice on impeachment. Once the investigations start, the White House will stonewall everything, and force a constitutional crisis. Dems will either have to impeach or get nothing.

    This isn’t to say that the investigations won’t get anywhere. Dingell and Waxman can call lots of intermediate-level people and learn a lot about bad acts going down. But it will all lead to the White House, and once there, they’ll hit a brick wall of total non-cooperation. The Cheney administration (h/t Billmon) will dare them to impeach.

    BushCo will calculate that they can survive an impeachment vote in the Senate, and count on that to save themselves from having the truth get out. They’ll do this because A) belligerent confrontation is their first, second and only strategy, and B) Any non-whitewashed investigation will end with no small number of them going to prison.

  • I agree absolutely with Krugman and with Digby. If the Dems win the House and maybe, the Senate, and then sit on their thumbs and try to be nice, they’ll lose what little respect I have left for them — and it’s not much. That’s no way to run a democracy. They represent the people, who have been trampled and spat upon by the Republican party. If the Democrats don’t stand up for us, and for what’s right, and get down to the hard and unpleasant work of repairing America’s civil rights, freedoms and her Constitution, who will? Not the Republicans — we already know that, and they’ve behaved with shameful dishonor.

    America is teetering on the brink of disaster. If the Democrats take control of even one house of Congress, they MUST stand up for what’s right.

    On the other hand, I hear New Zealand is a pleasant place to live.

  • It may come as a shock to people, but politicians actually have a real job, and that’s running the government. And the main reason Republicans are in trouble now is because they’ve failed to do that, and failed at what little they’ve tried to do. Because they’re FAILURES.

    Mark #26 has a good point. People care less about what Dems and Reps do to each other than what they do for and to the voters.

  • We need to thoroughly investigate the actions of Bush’s Administration including all aspects of Bush’s War in Iraq. I include in “Bush’s Administration” the members of congrASS that acted as a rubber-stamp for Herr Shrubb’s violations of law and Constitution. I say investigate and let the chips fall where they may. WE NEED TO DO IT TO RESTORE CREDIBILITY WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD! Let’s quit talking about it and show how a democracy works when one branch of government assumes too much power and commits crimes (including war crimes). The structure of our democracy was supposed to allow for swings in the direction of thinking of those in power and then swing back. The Bush Criminal Organization has done EVERYTHING it can to subvert and stop that swinging back process. This needs to be addressed and overcome through investigation and prosecution. I haven’t even touched on the incompetence at every level of Bush’s Administration and the way it is rewarded as long as the incompetent remains loyal to Herr Shrub’s policies.

  • #27 a drumbeat of revelations about waste, corruption, cronyism, fraud at every level of the Republican establishment will be much, much more powerful, and keep the momentum going into 2008.

    Comment by BC

    Yes! Investigate (especially where these relate to security) for the next two years. Revelation after revelation, but no conclusions until after 2008 elections. Just keep building that one story that the Reps have failed on security–personal and national. And they’ve failed through incompetence and corruption. That’s the real big tent of Republicans. It’s the narrative we need to tell to prepare for 2008.

  • We should try to advance our agenda.

    Period.

    It’s been a long time since Dems were about anything aside from apeasement and keeping themselves in office.

  • ShrubCo/RepubCo/NeoConCo/CorpCo have had the label, Radical, attached to themselves as the last few years have gone down the crapper. They have focused obsessively on their own goals. It’s like the rest of the world didn’t exist.

    If our country is going to survive, Dems are going to have to be radicals in their own right. The fundamental underpinnings of this country have to be reviewed and re-presented. The subversive and destructive role of the large corporation in this country and globally must be identified, placed into context and critically evaluated with a willingness to confront whatever negatives that evaluation presents to us.

    I watched the documentary “Why We Fight” last night for the first time.

    http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Fight-John-McCain/dp/B000FBH3W2/sr=8-1/qid=1162146133/ref=sr_1_1/102-1834803-3236104?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

    The concept of the military/industrial/congressional complex wasn’t new to me. I’ve known that it’s a debilitating, expensive and destructive relationship that bleeds this country and flings tax dollars into corporate coffers. And I don’t know if it can be thwarted, controlled or dismantled.

    But that M/I/C relationship is pervasive and it is by definition, corrupt. There seems to be some satisfaction when it’s reported that K-St. companies are covering their bets by acknowledging that Dems still exist and are tossing a bit of money their way. Whatever. That money is dirty and subversive whichever way it floats.

    If Dems don’t dig in to try to save the basis of our government as deeply and as obsessively as RepubCo has dug in trying to undermine it, well…the cliche about rearranging deck chairs comes to mind.

  • I agree with The Answer is Orange that we have to remember that the Republican leadership’s basic identity is as Bully.

    Trying to be nice to this bully and getting this bully to like us (I think that’s Obama’s strategy) won’t work.

    But before we sock the Bully in the face, we’ve got to figure out how that would play with the Bully’s followers and our own. We have to figure out what our goals are. I think our goals are to bring the Bully’s followers mostly over to our side.

    So how do we do that? Do the followers just respect force, and so if they see is being a more effective Bully, will they come to our side? And if we choose that path, do we lose our own identity and followers?

    What is our own identity? Victim? Whiner? Are there changes in our own identity that may involve compromise, but which would make us a bigger tent that still can accomplish most of our goals?

    What can we be that will bring the Bully’s followers to our side, and show them up as unappealing and convince members of the media, etc., that they should be on our side, instead of on the side of Republicans?

    Long-term solutions that advance our agenda.

  • The Liberal Party in Canada hired Carvelle to come to Toronto and give advice for next years elections. He really was the killer behind Clinton, not that Bill needed much help. Alot of non liberals that are now becoming liberals are worried about dying. Bill really got real far with his dems and that’s what the liberals want back, so I guess it’s back to the killer dem politics.

  • I have no problem with Democrats taking impeachment off the table today, assuming it is mearly a political tactic. If they are actually stupid enough to unilaterally disarm…help us all.

    OTOH, Democratic leaders who don’t genuinely feel the outrage, revulsion, impatience, and disgust that the rest of us feel, probably should not try to go on the offensive because their transparent opportunism will be evident.

    If I had to give the Democrats two pieces of advice it would be the following:

    1. Avoid talking about punishment, but insist, insist, insist on the facts coming to light. Once the malfeasance of the GOP is revealed the public will have no problem with the Dems pursuing it further.

    2. The American public’s aversion to impeachment stops at the Presiden’t desk. If Congress wants to impeach Cheney or Rumsfeld the opposition could to it would fit into a phone booth.

  • I tend to agree with Catherine. No, we should not feel bad for the Republican’ts when we beat them. No, we should not accomodate or let them lead from the minority. But we also should not spend all of our time investigating and engaging in political attacks.

    First and foremost, should we be fortunate enough to capture both House and Senate, we should govern. Cleaning up the mess wont be easy, but it is what the country (and the world) need, want, and will deserve if they wise up enough to throw the Rethugs out.

    Investigations, and more important, oversight going forward, may well be a key part of that. But the amount of “keep the pressure on, build momentum for 08” political calculation needs to be determined by what we have room on our plate for after we do the basic policy and administrative work of governing. If we have time for that stuff, great, I’ll enjoy every minute of it. But if we don’t, we don’t. It should not take time away from results and from rebuilding — from New Orleans, to relationships with world allies, to the fundamental mechanics of the democratic process (i.e. clean, trustworthy elections and media ownership).

    This does not mean we should be lapdogs, push-overs or wimps. Actually governing in this atmosphere will require serious spine. When Clinton and the Rethugs clashed over the federal budget, he played a major-league high-stakes game of chicken with them, shut down the government, and won. That took a set the size of basketballs. But if we govern well, govern boldly, govern with strength and convictions, and govern fairly but with oversight and accountability, that more than anything else will set us up well for 08. And if the R’s want to be obstructionists in the meantime, we should not hesitate even one breath before calling them on it sharply and forcefully, pointing out that they cant govern in power, and wont let anyone else do it when they are being sore losers. Either way, we win — as longas we make clear through words and deeds that governing for the people is our top priority.

  • No, Democrats don’t need to be nice. They need to stand up proudly and aggressively for the traditions and values of the parties. They need to stand up equally agressively and proudly for the role and duty charged to them under the Constitution.

    Let us put the in terms of something other than political, but unexpectedly timely: the first “Back to the Future” movie.

    The Republicans are Biff Tannen.

    The Democrats have been acting like George McFly for the last 25 years.

    And they need to start acting like Marty McFly.

    Marty stands up to Biff, stays true to himself, doesn’t descend to Biff’s level, knows the value of strategic retreat, and leaves Biff sputtering in a pile of shit.

    Plus, who wouldn’t want to have beer with Marty?

  • When I hear the neo-cons and other assorted Repubs crying about potential investigations, I like to point out to them something they all told me about wiretapping “If you aren’t doing anything wrong then you have nothing to fear.”

    They should all be terrified.

  • The long term goal of Dems has to be to discredit the backward, authoritarian, fundamentalist thinking that pervades the right. Those elements are not going to fade away quietly on their own, so it seems to me that Democratic gains in one or both houses is but one step in a longer struggle. If Dems could calmly go about restoring the balance of powers, focusing on a few investigations of the Bush administration with the broadest public support and let the investigations lead where they will – without talking about impeachment at the outset – I think they’d force the right to reveal themselves as the radicals they are. Whatever agenda Dems pursue, I think it’s important not to get too far ahead of the public, lest Dems once again be seen as out of the mainstream. The way the system works, you still need a majority to rule.
    –beep52, post #6

    Bravo. The Democrats have to walk and chew gum at the same time: hold the lawbreakers accountable for their crimes and the ideologues for their mistakes, but also work with whatever Republicans they can find to support popular and smart policies like raising the minimum wage, empowering the gov’t to negotiate lower prescription drug prices, cutting off the corrupt in both parties from their lobbyist funders.

    On the question of investigations, they need to be smart. Go after the fraudsters and war profiteers, call those who crafted the disastrous war policies on the carpet. But keep the narrative clear: a plethora of investigations on every possible subject will just confuse the public and play into a Republican storyline about vengeful, hyper-partisan Democrats that you know the media would just love to echo.

  • If, please God, Democrats win the majority. Congress should start with a Truman type of investigation/committee on the war profiteers, bad contractors, and shody equipment manufacturers. Tie them into the administration and show us how the administration has stolen from the American people.

    Get the Ethics committee’s strong dentures to replace the teeth that the Republican controlled House and Senate removed.

  • Bullshit to being nice. I want to be recorded in history as the generation that fought back against these neocons…and won. There are people I want to see investigated under oath with regard to pre-war intelligence…Condoliar Rice and George Tenet to name a couple. I am so tired of those that say “We are there now…we must look forward”. Bull! There has to be accountability and justice. That is what our country stands for.

  • The first thing we do is appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and John Roberts for lying to the Senate during their confirmation hearings. That will take the rest of the Bush term, but it will be a shot across the bow. While that’s going on we appoint independent counsels to investigate 1) the run up to Iraq and all the lies and manipulations, 2) war profiteering and DOD contracting corruption, 3) administation energy policies and its ties to Enron and the California rolling blackouts, 4) bribery in Congress to get the Medicare drug bill passed, 5) election fraud in Florida in 2000 (prosecute the “Brooks Brother rioters” for election intimidation – that’d wipe the smirks off their faces) and Ohio in 2004.

    This will all take up to and beyond 2008. We won’t have to impeach Bush. He and Cheney will be ordinary citizens exposed to criminal prosecution just like Pinochet and Kissinger. Leak the results of the investigation while they are ongoing (or just hold public hearings and dare them to refuse to respond to Congressional subpoenas – we got your Constitutional crisis hangin’…), and create a wave of public revulsion going into the 2008 elections.

    When we take the White House, further consolidate Congress and replace the Nazis we impeached off the Supreme Court (and also replace Stevens who will finally be able to retire, God bless him), we then prosecute all these bastards for the thousands of crimes committed and put’em in Guantanomo (expanded to hold thousands, of course). Or better yet, turn them over to the International Criminal Court at The Hague (wouldn’t that be ironic), convict them and let them spend the rest of their lives at Spandau Prison with the ghost of Rudolph Hess.

    Is that shrill? It felt good.

  • If the Dems get control of one or both houses, I don’t think the Repugs will be in a bipartisan mood to conciliate. The truth is that the Republicans, by and large, no longer know how to temper their firebreathing. I predict that if the Dems get control of at least one house, their whole bipartisan and moderation thing will collapse when the Repugs start to stomp on it. I give it three weeks, six at the outside, before the Repugs start acting like spoiled brats, and the Dems will have to send them to a time-out. These are guys who got to the top by being nasty. They don’t know anything else.

    –Beo

  • I’m sorry, but the Democrats should step on their necks.
    These weasly asshats will be the first ones to call the Dems weak, if they ever get the chance again.
    Flush these crooks out, and if that includes impeachment, then so be it.

  • #52 Sen. Byron Dorgan and Rep. Henry Waxman have been holding hearings about waste, fraud and abuse in Iraq and other areas for the last couple of years. Pretty much no Rs show up, but CSPAN has been covering them.

    See http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/

    From the website:
    “Members of Congress have a Constitutional obligation to oversee the activities of the Executive Branch. In the absence of effective oversight by congressional Republicans, the DPC [Democratic Policy Committee] conducts aggressive oversight and holds hearings to ensure government accountability.

    “Among the subjects the DPC has focused on are contracting abuses in Iraq and in the Gulf Coast region following Hurricane Katrina; pre-war intelligence failures; continuing homeland security vulnerabilities; wasteful deficit spending; proposals to undermine Social Security; covert propaganda by federal agencies to advance political agendas; the enforcement of environmental laws; and United States trade policy. Staff at the DPC Oversight and Accountability Project work with whistleblowers, non-profit groups, Executive Branch agencies, and their colleagues on Capitol Hill to protect U.S. taxpayers, uncover waste, fraud and abuse, and hold government officials accountable.”

    There are links to transcripts of these hearings on the website.

    No wonder the Rs are worried, with Dorgan, Waxman and others on the job, willing to do some oversight. But no teeth to fix anything, but the voters in a fairly run, can change that.

  • Govern, yes. But investigate them, call out their crimes and make them pay.
    Destroy them just as mercilessly as they’ve destroyed this country.

  • Gotta go with tAiO>>>>>#11
    0% tolerance for treasoners.
    The Dems must show strengh and profound resolve in prosecuting these War Criminals, which have infiltrated our gov’t. Bushco’s actions are so much more than simple policy errors, it was a system failure, and close to a bloodless coup.
    0% tolerance for treasoners

    It’s the civics lesson that America needs.

  • Everyone else sums it up well. To hell with being nice, it’s time to take the country back.

    I’ll add this: Republicans will always fingerpoint and wallow in their bitterness. Matyr and victim is how they view themselves. Might as well give them a real reason to whine and moan. Covene the committees, issue the subpeonas and let’s see where it takes us.

  • I can’t help thinking it is possible to act in a civilized, rational manner and still be strong, which is quite different from being nice and wimpy. If Democratic politicians act out their frustration and anger over the way they’ve been treated, they’ll satisfy a minority of americans, and turn off the majority.

    What Dems need to realize is that even with two houses of Congress, theirs would remain an uphill battle for hearts and minds against the efforts of the press, the SC, the executive and a well-organized propaganda machine.

  • No deals with the bullies, who have gotten us into a horrid mess the Democrats now have to try to fix. Pelosi and Reid need to follow Joe W.’s excellent plan:

    “Hold the repubs to their own rules for this term, at a bare minimum. If they want to negotiate how future congresses operate, that’s fine by me. But the current GOP needs a heavy dose of it’s own medicine before their outraged protests can pass a giggle test.”

  • Maybe Dems should look at congress as being like a fish they caught and are going to prepare for cooking. A careless cook might just wack away at the head and tail, wasting good meat and then muck it up even more by using a too dull knife to gut and clean the fish before slicing off the fillets too roughly, once again leaving an ugly and wasteful carcass.

    A good cook would be sharpening their knife to a razors edge in anticipation of the exacting removal of only those parts of the fish that are unwanted and leaving nice clean sides which can then be cut away from the spine and central bones.

    There doesn’t have to be any loud noises beyond letting the guests/citizens know that the fish is being properly prepared and that it’s on it’s way to the grill. There doesn’t have to be any bloody mess. If done properly, the poor fish won’t know what it’s missing until it’s far too late and it’s innards and extremities are lying intact and immobile in a bowl.

    This approach takes intelligence and preparation and an ability to explain the rationale behind the techniques.

    Vengeance, chastisement and balance can be achieved without sinking to RepubCo’s lowest common denominator level of boneheaded discourse. Hopefully it will soon be time for the Democratic Party to show that it’s not just more compassionate but a hell of a lot more intelligent.

  • One Word…….OVERSIGHT…There is a lot to clean up and a lot of corruption that NEEDS to be brought to justice. I’m not for letting these fools off just for the sake of letting bygones be bygones. That would be a travesty of our justice system. The Emperial Presidency needs to be reeled in and the gutted so everyone can see the evil they swallowed.

  • Ask me again, on Nov 12. I refuse to count my chicks, knowing that the Diebold hen is sitting on the eggs, hatching. I do not put much faith in Chavez/Sequoia counterinsurgency 🙂

    The first order of things is to *pulverize* the SOBs on Nov 7, beyond Diebold’s reach. We can take things from there, later; we’ll have 3 months to mull about it.

  • What ever outrage that I feel for President Bush and all members of his administration that helped carry out his policies, I know is not felt by a large number of my fellow citizens. Consequently, the impeachment option of the president, no matter how well justified, will not serve to heal the divide we have in this country. Some form of action taken against the Vice President, SecDef or other officials will NOT further divide the country nor will it hurt the Dems reputation.

    I also agree with comment # 52

  • “When I hear the neo-cons and other assorted Repubs crying about potential investigations, I like to point out to them something they all told me about wiretapping ‘If you aren’t doing anything wrong then you have nothing to fear.’

    They should all be terrified.” – Madstork123

    I really like that point.

  • “If Dems are as aggressive in the role of the majority party as Republicans have been the last 12 years, does that lead to an endless cycle of recriminations and bitterness?” -Steve

    “*LEAD* *TO*?” We’re there, Steve.

    And the cycle of recriminations and bitterness will continue for as long as Republicans deserve recrimination, and as long as Republicans are bitter about being recriminated (I suspect that’s not actually a word, but I think it’d make a good one, and apt for today’s GOP).

    Republicans are temperamentally incapable of not being bitter: they’re shitty losers, and they’re shitty winners. If they’re winning, they’re rubbing Democrats’ noses in it. If they’re losing, they’re ranting about how horrible things are with Democrats in power. You can’t keep Republicans from being bitter – it’s like the AA motto, we need to realize what we can change, and we can’t *MAKE* Republicans have a particular emotional reaction. *THEY* control that. If they want to be bitter, they will be. If they want to sabotage the public space to convince people Democrats can’t and shouldn’t govern (even while they’re guiltier of the same sins), we can’t *PREVENT* them from doing that; we just have to be ready for it.

    Appease Republicans? Don’t make me laugh.

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