Kerry gives as good as he gets after ‘botched joke’

I haven’t seen the full context, but according to the San Gabriel Valley Tribune, Sen. John [tag]Kerry[/tag] (D-Mass.) was delivering a well-received speech to students at Pasadena City College in California on Monday when he slipped up. Kerry was joking with the audience, delivering a lot of one-liners and jabs at Bush, when he said, “You know, education — if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in [tag]Iraq[/tag].”

To be sure, Kerry has said smarter things. The way the comments were delivered, it made it sound as if he believed the troops in Iraq are there because they’re not smart and didn’t work hard in school. A Kerry aide admitted that the prepared statement had been “mangled in delivery,” and the senator admitted that it was a “botched [tag]joke[/tag].” Kerry was supposed to say, “I can’t overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.”

Given this, Kerry made a mistake. He missed a couple of words — admittedly, important words — in a prepared text and ended up saying something he didn’t mean. It happens. Indeed, if you’re George W. Bush, it happens quite a bit.

Regardless of Kerry’s intentions, the Republicans see an opportunity in the senator’s mistake.

Before the clarification, White House press secretary Tony Snow, House Majority Leader John Boehner and Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, lambasted the four-term senator and demanded he [tag]apologize[/tag]. […]

“This is an absolute [tag]insult[/tag],” Snow said at a daily press briefing. “Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but also to the families of those who’ve given their lives in this.”

Boehner said the remark was “insulting” and called on “Democrat candidates across the country” to publicly denounce the comment.

To his credit, Kerry didn’t just let these attacks stand. He held a press conference today to say, quite forcefully, that he wouldn’t “stand around and let [the GOP’s attempt to change the subject] work.”

“If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they’re crazy,” he said. “No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut-and-run policy in Afghanistan and a stand-still-and-lose strategy in Iraq.”

He added, “I’m sick and tired of a bunch of despicable Republicans who will not debate real policy, who won’t take responsibility for their own mistakes, standing up and trying to make other people the butt of those mistakes. I’m sick and tired of a whole bunch of Republican attacks most of which come from people who never wore the uniform and never had the courage to stand up and go to war themselves. Enough is enough. We’re not going to stand for this…. I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed-suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. No way. It disgusts me.”

You think Kerry has learned something from the [tag]Swiftboat[/tag] experience?

Watch the whole thing. You’ll be glad you did. If Dems hit back this hard at every GOP smear job, I suspect we’d hear a lot fewer GOP smear jobs.

Good for Kerry.

As someone (was it Tom?) suggested here, Kerry deserves a second look.

But I’d still rather have Gore for President in 2008.

  • Better late than never on learning to hit back! That is awesome. I’m enjoying this trend of fighting back immensely.

  • And it’s about time! HOORAY! HOORAY! These Republicans are a bunch of rattlesnakes; they love to attack. If you stand up to them with force, they slither away. Go Kerry!

  • The other important lesson from Kerry’s response: you are more likely to get coverage if you are colorful (see also Rangel’s response). Oh, sure, the corporatist media will still cooperate with the Right’s spin on this, but at least Kerry’s defense is getting mentioned. Dems have not always been so fortunate.

  • Well, the first comments just seem to be pretty damn stupid. The lesson remains that John Kerry is extremely bad at telling jokes, as 2004’s appearance on the Daily Show told us.

    On the other hand, it’s pretty clear he’s sick of hearing all the bullcrap from the GOP and their “think of the poor children” response to everything. So f*ck them, and good for Kerry for hitting back the way he did.

  • A beautiful lesson in showing when to let well enough alone. Clearly it was a slip up and as you say, any party fronted by George the Stuttering Monkey should cut people a break. Remember the whining from the right over the hoots Shrub’s Ob/Gyns “Practicing their love of women” comment produced? But they’re locked in desperate attack mode and opened themselves up to a well deserved verbal bollocking. I especially liked the part about people who slunk out of their military obligations, something I know ShrubCo doesn’t want us thinking about. All that’s left is for Kerry to take a few GOPs across his knee and deliver a switching.

  • A beautiful lesson in showing when to let well enough alone. Clearly it was a slip up and as you say, any party fronted by George the Stuttering Monkey should cut people a break. Remember the whining from the right over the hoots and snickers Shrub’s ob/gyns “Practicing their love of women” comment produced? But they’re locked in desperate attack mode and opened themselves up to a well deserved verbal bollocking. I especially liked the part about people who didn’t serve in the military, something I know ShrubCo doesn’t want us thinking about. All that’s left is for Kerry to take a few GOPs across his knee and deliver a switching to a few “doughy” bottoms.

  • Its too bad that the only time we see a Democrat actually showing spine is when he is defending himself against his own boneheadedness.

    That said, where was the conservative outrage when GOP clowns decided to mock Purple Heart recipients by wearing dandy little purple bandaids?

  • Beautiful – wish he had spoken like that in ’04 more often. I wish he had taken your angle CB that we have a president who misspeaks on a daily basis almost as bad as Dan Quayle. The word is “nuclear” for Chrissake not “nucular.”

    I especially liked calling them out about not having served and reminding people about what a prick Limbaugh is. A limp prick without his viagra, but a prick nonetheless.

  • Good for Kerry. All he had to do was loose one of the most vital elections in the history of the United States to come out of his shell.

    If only every Democrat could lose a major election, we’d have a strong party.

    I’m sorry, but it’s too late for him, imho. He had his chance, he blew it, and now one of the other 300 million people in this country will get their chance.

  • Kerry’s response is nice, if you read it in full and pay no attention to how this is getting played out in the media. CNN has been airing this thing non-stop with Snow and McCain and soon Bush’s response. Various aspects of Kerry responses are played in short, but he’s getting way better than he is giving and this looks terrible for him and by effect, the Dems. Even delivered as prepared, this was a dumb joke to make.

    Then we have this: Carville is on CNN to help calm the stir about Kerry’s f’up and he adds to it because he can’t deliver a simple line himself.

    Everyone knows Kerry was talking about Bush (even the students, that’s why they laughed). Does he say that, of course not.

    Bay Buchanan then blasts Kerry and basically calls his explanation a lie and says he’s a liberal elite who was telling kids they would have to be dumb to wind up in Iraq. In response, Carville says, Kerry owes no one an apology, he owes an explanation and he gave it.

    Kerry may be talking tough now, but this can do no good for the Dems.

  • AAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!

    The so called liberal media will spin the shit out of this…it will all make Kerry look like an idiot. Amazing though…a Democrat has to be so fricking carefull about what and how he says ANYTHING that they end up not saying much at all so as not to be raked over the coals for the slightest mistake.

    AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!

  • Dang! First Rangel and now Kerry. It’s like the Democrats were cleaning out their closets over the weekend and found their spines. It’s about freakin’ time.

  • Great video, truly worth watching the whole thing!!

    A favorite part (Kerry speaking about Republicans): “They want to debate straw men, because they’re afraid to debate real men.”

    What a great line, on many levels. Next time a GOP uses a straw man tactic, reply with a line like this. BTW, in 8th grade my public school taught techniques of debate and propaganda (so students would be good “consumers” of information and advertising). I just never quite grasped the “straw man” principle, until Bush. Now I see it as a clear example. Hopefully, our young people are still being educated to take a skeptical view of language meant to persuade.

  • Before we go patting Kerry on the back, let’s take a look at the overall picture: Kerry has diverted the news cycle away from the failings of the Republicans and onto himself. Great. Just what we need right now.

    Once again, Kerry has let down the country. If he can’t tell a joke without a script, he needs to shut the fuck up.

    Shame on him, again.

  • Frankly, I think CB — and some of the commenters here — are giving too much credence to the Republicans’ interpretation by conceding that Kerry botched the joke. You have to want to misinterpret what Kerry said to conclude that, as delivered, the joke referred to the troops as those who “get stuck” in Iraq. None of the soldiers in Iraq “got stuck” there against their will; it’s still a volunteer army, after all (what happened after that initial decision is an entirely different story, of course). Most reasonable people hearing what Kerry said would have had no trouble recognizing that he was referring to Bush as the idiot who “got stcuk” in Iraq.
    And even those who might have been confused at first would certainly accept — if they were at all fairminded about it — Kerry’s explanation of what he meant. Nobody but a partisan out to score points would persist in claiming that Kerry intended to say that the troops got stuck in Iraq because they were dummies. That’s just absurd. No politician who wasn’t rip-roaringly drunk AND stupid would even think of saying such a thing, and it’s a measure of how far out of touch with reality the media is that such a claim gets taken seriously.

  • While I applaud (and applauded, above) Kerry’s strong response, I do agree that Kerry is a bumbling speaker and strategic loose cannon at this point trying too hard to show how “un-stiff” he can be. This was a stupid mistake, a blunder he got into by trying to be someone other than who he is, and there is no question the Dems will get the short end of the spin. At this point, there are 6 news cycles after today prior to the election. In a situation this close, every news cycles counts. A cycle spent on anything other than a Rethug weakness or problem is a benefit to them. This makes it easy for the MSM to make Kerry the news for a cycle. On balance, while it is nice to see some spine, I’d have rather this hadn’t happened. Rangel, on the other hand. . .

    Most important, this shows that Kerry really just is not an A-league potential candidate. I thought that when he was on Maher a month or so ago and while I enjoyed his attacks on Bush, he sounded too much like he was trying to be Maher (i.e. a stand-up comedian) and not a political leader.

  • Kerry’s rebuttal is the best thing for the Dems since Clinton took on Chris Wallace. Folks, they’re showing us how it’s done.

    And Dan, as for Kerry changing the news cycle focus, bear in mind what has been discussed of late by the media: Webb’s book, the Limbaugh/Fox imbroglio, the bimbo ad against Harold Ford. The GOP will do ANYTHING to keep the talking heads away from Iraq and Foley. At this late stage of the pre-election fracas, it isn’t about highlighting the Republicans’ failings — it’s about drowning out their noise with more noise.

    Noise is all they have left.

  • I agree with some of the posters here — I played the clip several times and it was obvious to me he was referring to the Big Chimp, and not the troops in Iraq.

    That said, the initial response by Atrios — yawn — and even by Kerry shows that the GOP Outrage machine is effective and requires immediate, real-time response.

    Why didn’t Kerry’s otherwise fine initial statement include the bit about the mangled text? Why not include the qouted text in the statement, which would have made much more credible the otherwise good stuff about Rush and the propensity to attack and distract?

    By releasing that text stuff later in the afternoon, at the 2 p.m press conference, Kerry let this thing simmer uncontrollably.

    And where are the Big Dems coming to his defense? I want to see the wagons circled and us firing on all cylinders so this bs meme doesn’t hang on us and drag us a few points in the wrong direction.

  • Peter in #17 has a good point. This is not like Vietnam, when we had a draft and you did get stuck in Vietnam if you weren’t in college. In a volunteer army, no one gets “stuck” until after they’ve signed up, and only the president can stick ’em then.

  • Agree that Kerry is not the best mouthpiece for TV. However, I do like the analogy to Clinton/Chris Wallace.

    Another tack for Dems is:

    “OK, so you want to play the Apology Game, eh? So, Mr. Bush, when will you apologize to the American People for the war you lied us into, the failure of Katrina planning, the massive deficits, etc, etc, etc,. We want an apology because its time for some accountability. And if the GOP won’t give it, then that’s all the more reason to vote for Democrats.”

  • I hate these Republicans politicians. They are the worst of the worst. They care nothing – and I mean nothing – of America except enriching themselves with money and power. They are the most despicable creatures on the planet apart from terrorists. They will do anything to win and won’t be responsible for anything. Now if only the media would get off its ass and present them in the true light and voters realize this.

  • Kerry was supposed to say, “I can’t overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.”

    God, I hate agreeing with Republicans even a little, but even as written this was dumb and wrong so close to a critical election. Say anything you want about Bush, but the one criticism that doesn’t make sense is implying he didn’t have a great education. And I might be remembering incorrectly, but weren’t Bush’s Ivy League grades better than Kerry’s Ivy League grades? This was just incredibly stupid.

  • I think with Bushs direct comments yesterday that Democrats want the terrorists to win really struck a nerve with the DEM party including the fence sitting DLC Dems…finally they see Repubs will do anything and everything to hold onto power up to and including insulting 1/2 of the country who are DEMS…..

    Gloves should have been taken off a long time ago but its nice to see that they do come off ONE WEEK before the election……

    The Rpeubs fell right into an indvertant trap set by Kerry and he set them straight in one fell swoop…

    Repubs will now instead of being focused on the election will solely focus on Kerry……

  • Sorry, but I don’t think Kerry’s joke had anything to do with George Bush, although it should have. I think he meant exactly what he said, because it’s true. In an economy that’s very unfriendly towards young people — especially those without skills — voluntary military service is an alternative to flipping burgers.

    Before 2003, most soldiers volunteered in order to take advantage of educational programs. Also, enlistment standards were very strict. They couldn’t enlist without a high school diploma and no drug convictions.

    Things have changed. Now we’re practically recruiting WW II veterans and trained pets. The army is offering huge sign-up bonuses and perks that are drawing recruits who are lower on the social scale. That doesn’t mean that they are stupid. It means their choices are narrow.

    That’s what Kerry meant, and it’s true no matter how PC it is to say it. I don’t see it as a joke, but as damn good advice for young people.

    Kerry rebounded with good, solid statements, but I wish he’d simply shut up. The Republicans are jumping on this bigtime, and I think it’s going to lose critical votes for the Dems.

  • Boehner. I’ve learned that when someone uses the word “Democrat” as an adjective, you can just ignore the rest of the paragraph.

  • Kerry bumbled when he did state what “meant” to say. The first words out of his mouth should have been “I meant to say…” because would have been what was repeated by the MSN’s.

    The man cannot say anything short and to the point. Instead, we have this long drawn out (but otherwise great) dialog from him. Does he not understand how the “news” works these days?

    He’s mostly a liability.

  • FWIW, Chuck Todd on Hardball says the GOP may be botching it themselves by putting all the eggs in the anti-Kerry basket. Todd doesn’t think this Kerry issue is all that great for the Republicans, calls it a “distraction”.

  • Can you imagine how the republicans are going to leverage this in all the right media markets during the last 3 days of the campaign.

    I knew the Dems couldn’t stick it out without mucking their enviable position up somehow. I didn’t think it’d be Kerry to do it but, I just knew they couldn’t hold out!!!

    When I think of all the time good people have invested in this election to take back our country, myself included, it sickens me that a dolt like Kerry can screw it up in a sound bite.

  • Can we please tell that moron from Massachusetts to shut the hell up? What makes that idiot think he can tell a joke?

    First, it was the “I voted for the war before I voted aginst it”. Now this.

    Kerry has the distinction of losing an election to the worst President in 148 years. He deserves no defense from Democrats. Can he please just slither away and leave us alone?

  • Thanks Lance! (#1)

    Yes, proof indeed that Kerry deserves a second look.

    One might also look at his campaigning this week, his amazing bunch of e-mails raising last-minute funds for candidates (like Tammy Duckworth), etc. I think the only national Democrat working as hard as Kerry is Nancy Pelosi.

    President Kerry working with Speaker Pelosi to de-Republicanize America after 2008 the way Germany was de-Nazified after 1945. Sounds good to me.

  • Alibubba (#26), that was my reaction as well — that Kerry was actually stating an empirical fact that happens to be considered too radioactive to say out loud. It is simply the case that the armed services, particularly enlisted men and women, disproportionately come from lower income and non-white families. The rich and educated — oh, i dunno, Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz come to mind — get out of service either through better opportunities in times without a draft, or connections and deferments when a draft is in place. This issue likely deserved legitimate debate – and Moore tried to raise this issue in Fahrenheit 9-11. But 6 cycles before a big, close election is not the time, nor does Kerry have the skills, frankly, to raise it with the finesse required.

    To all of those who said “its nice to see the gloves come off” – I agree, It would have been nice literally years ago. But it makes news when they come off for the first time 6 days out, and that news is off message. Kerry, having been turned into a polarizing figure in 2004, risks kicking the sleeping dog. The Dems had a favorable “intensity gap.” This gives the Rethugs a way to fire up the slacking base. Kerry (and, really, all of the 2008 crowd) needs to get over himself and let the 2006 candidates have their day, their way, without him taking up the stage.

  • Let’s not forget who has shown the his Democratic brothers how to hit back effectively.

    A leading critic of the Iraq war says presidential adviser Karl Rove has lost touch with the harsh realities facing U.S. troops while he sits on his “fat backside” in air-conditioned Washington.

  • Spin, Spin Spin, John Kerry…Spin Spin Spin. So he said smarter things, CB? Perhaps he should have reiterated his most famous “smart” line “I voted for the war before…” That would have played real well.

    Yet another John “Leader of the Common Man” Kerry moment… Needless to say, the righties are thanking him for his most recent “smarter” comment. The guy is an ass.

    Very late October Surpise?? We’ll see…

  • Peter @ 17:

    I share your reaction. Bush and his minions interpreted Kerry’s remarks as they did because that is what they believe (and they are so cynical they cannot pass up an “opportunity” to project their own flawed thinking on to others). Suckers! Social Darwinism makes Bushie the Decider and all the rest of you “slackers” IED fodder. It betrays their world view – for anyone who did not know what it was already. Bush bleats a blue streak about his respect for the troops and the tears he sheds with the families of the fallen. I’m not buying it. There is far too much evidence to the contrary. He sees himself as the CinC of the sandbox and the military are just so many toys over which he can exert power and control. They are the instrument of what he envisions his legacy: transformation. Transformation for good? Transformation for ill? It matters not to this goof. He just wants transformation. It sounds so B School. What a wretched excuse for a “leader” we have. I’m not going to spend any time bashing Kerry or even considering whether he deserves bashing. Bush said “Bring ’em on,” taunting the enemy to attack our troops. How much more proof do you need that he view the the military as his personal political viagra? Honestly.

  • Pretty good press conf. transcript at:
    http://www.johnkerry.com/news/releases/release.html?id=34

    Example:

    QUESTION: Do you need to go to joke school?
    KERRY: Sure.

    — also —

    KERRY: Let me tell you something: I’m not going to give them one ounce of daylight to spread one of their lies and to play this game ever, ever again. That is a lesson I learned deep and hard.

    And I’ll tell you: I will stand up anywhere across this country and take these guys on. This is dishonoring not just the troops themselves by pointing the finger at the troops, it’s abusing the troops. They’re using the troops.

  • “…Kerry was actually stating an empirical fact that happens to be considered too radioactive to say out loud.”
    — Zeitgeist (# 34)

    The odd thing is that, apparently, it’s too radioactive for a politician to say. Even the MSM has been reporting it for a couple of years.

    I wish Kerry had chosen the alternative of not making the joke/statement in the first place. But having done so, I wish he’d lived with it, and in his response, laid out the other byproducts of Bush’s stealthy sabotage of the lives of soldiers and families he uses for audiences .

    (And why the tempest over Kerry’s remarks in comparison to the now-stale revelation that Rumsfeld doesn’t even bother to put his own signature on sympathy letters to families of the military dead. Talk about lack of respect!)

  • I agree with JRS at 37. In fact, I suggested this was the very thing the Democrats were trying to avoid, here: http://musingsofaworkingmom.blogspot.com/2006/10/free-press-whats-that.html , in my comments appended to the article. Pam is a huge fan of the Carpetbagger, by the way.

    I was referring to another politician blowing an election in another country, but the principle is the same – never relax and get comfortable in a campaign, because one careless moment can cause you to step on your dick and never regain your momentum.

  • I support those who urge all Democrats and moderates and progressives to push back against Bush and the rightwing spin machine.
    Kerry did stumble but this is a clear case of a Democratic misdemeanor being treated as a major felony through intentional distortion.
    It is the Goldilocks myth of all Repubs being just right and all Dems being too harsh or too soft or too some other factor.
    Push back against Bush and the Repubs.
    It is perfect that Bush is going on Limbaugh as these are two peas-in-a-pod.
    Rush attacks M. J. Fox, first for not taking meds, then taking too much and then for being a Democrat shill. All are baseless charges thrown out by Rush for pure political gain. His charges fail against the truthful facts that Fox took proper meds, volunteered his time for free to both Dem and Repub (Spector of Pa) supporters of embryonic stem cell research.
    Remember how BushCo blamed the sailors for the “Mission Accomplished” banner when the truth is it was produced by White house staff?
    And BushCo blamed the soldiers and then the media for the questions to Rumsfeld about scrounging for armour for Humvees and proper body armour and he answered “You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had”?
    Iraq is a mess because BushCo failed to do their homework and apply minimal intelligence. And BushCo and the rightwingers and even the MSM are choosing to distort the situation and hide behind the troops in the field to duck their accountability to protect their political fortunes.
    IT is BUSH-CHENEY-NEOCONS and all the rigthwing and MSM cheerleaders who owe an apology to the military and this country.

  • Alibubba and Zeitgeist,
    That was my initial impression as well, but last night Olbermann played a clip of Kerry’s remarks that included the preceding 30 seconds and it was crystal clear in context that the stuck in Iraq “joke” was part of a series of lame jokes about Bush. Why the rest of the television media can’t play the extended clip at some point during their unending hours of coverage, I don’t want to know. Miles O’Brien on CNN this morning made a pretty clear implication that Kerry’s excuse is the lie here.

  • I have noticed on occasion that I’m the last to post on topic.

    Something tells me I won’t be the last on this one.

    Kerry meant Bush when he told the joke, clearly. And the joke is not that bad. Boy George II really needed to know a lot more about Iraq than the fact they are sitting on a lot of oil.

    Kerry’s timing sucks. And his impact won’t be that good, unless the Democrats are smart enough to reply that they would be happy for this campaign to be about Iraq (which they should). But having failed us so miserably with his botched joke, he needed to stand up to the Bushite slime and point out that they are all chickenhawks.

    The Republican’ts have us stuck in Iraq, and they can yell and scream all they want about supporting or respecting the troops, but as long as our military is there just to be there, it’s a pretty stupid situation and you can’t call it “supporting the troops” to give them inferior body armor, unarmored Hum-Vees and defective anti-IED systems bought at the demands of Randy “Duke” Cunningham, corrupt Republican’t politican.

  • #33 Tom: Now try to argue the point. Isn’t attacking me a republican tactic? Isn’t making wild leaps of logic a republican tactic? Why don’t you join them…

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