Boehner blames the generals

If [tag]John Kerry[/tag] was forced to apologize for a flubbed joke, and subject to days of intense media criticism, what’s the appropriate response to House Majority Leader [tag]John Boehner[/tag] (R-Ohio)?

Yesterday, Boehner appeared on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, who asked the congressman about Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Blitzer noted a number of Republican lawmakers who have called for Rumsfeld’s ouster because of his mishandling of the war in Iraq. It led to a short but important exchange: (transcript, video)

BOEHNER: Wolf, I understand that, but let’s not [tag]blame[/tag] what’s happening in Iraq on [tag]Rumsfeld[/tag].

BLITZER: But he’s in charge of the military.

BOEHNER: But the fact is, the [tag]generals[/tag] on the ground are in charge, and he works closely with them and the president.

The message was unmistakable. Boehner was talking about blame, Blitzer suggested Rumsfeld, but Boehner fingered “the generals on the ground.” In other words, as far as Boehner is concerned, Rumsfeld isn’t accountable, those in uniform are. If someone should be held responsible for this fiasco, it’s not Bush’s incompetent Defense Secretary, it’s the uniformed soldiers in the ground in [tag]Iraq[/tag].

This wasn’t a joke with a missing word, it was a direct attempt of a top congressional Republican to shift the blame to U.S. [tag]troops[/tag].

Given the political climate this week, Dems pounced.

Within an hour, Harry Reid released a statement saying:

“John Boehner ought to be ashamed. He’s blaming our troops for failures in Iraq. If he wants to cast blame, he can start by looking in the mirror because he and his Congressional Republican colleagues have rubberstamped the Bush Administration’s failed policy for nearly four years. Our troops in Iraq have performed bravely. It’s political leaders like Congressman Boehner and Donald Rumsfeld, who have failed. I expect President Bush and Congressional Republicans, who demanded John Kerry apologize, hold their own party’s majority leader to a much higher standard. There’s no spinning his disparaging comments. He made them. He needs to apologize.”

Shortly thereafter, Rahm Emanuel issued a statement of his own: “President Bush used to say that he would listen to the generals. Today, he says he’s happy to listen to Secretary Rumsfeld while his lieutenant in Congress, John Boehner blames the generals on the ground for the chaos in Iraq.”

Now, it’s pretty obvious that the John Kerry flap weighed on the Dems’ minds yesterday, and party leaders no doubt saw Boehner’s boneheaded comments as a chance to change the subject from Kerry’s accidental remarks to Boehner’s intentional ones. Motivation aside, however, there are several important angles to the story.

First, Boehner blaming those in uniform for the disaster in Iraq is offensive and absurd. His office has already said he won’t apologize, which gives Dems an opportunity to keep the pressure on today.

Second, Boehner’s facts are just wrong — Rumsfeld is to blame. As Josh Marshall noted, “Rumsfeld is probably a lot more responsible for this disaster than almost any other Sec Def has been for anything else, because he’s insisted on such a level of micromanagement and such a complete disregard for the professional advice of his generals.”

And third, the media doesn’t seem to care, at least not yet. John Kerry’s flubbed joke was, apparently, earth-shattering news, but the leading House Republican blaming troops for Iraq is political trivia. So much for balance.

There’s still an opportunity to highlight Boehner’s troop-blaming remarks today. They can start by asking Republican candidates whether they agree with the House Majority Leader’s assessment that blame rests with those in uniform, and not with Rumsfeld. For that matter, maybe some enterprising White House reporter can ask Tony Snow why the Bush gang demanded Kerry apologize, but Boehner shouldn’t.

I know, it won’t happen, but a guy can dream.

Agreed that ‘Bone-head’ should revise his remarks and apologize. Rums and W is where the buck stops in terms of overall military strategy, not the generals.

That said, CB, put the comments in perspective… he ‘didn’ kall ’em all stoopid’!

  • Dagnabit, its moral indignation I tell ya, moral indignation!

    Vote the Bastards Out in ’06 and ’08! -Kevo

  • uhm, gw has been pushing this line for a loooong time: ‘gen. casey tells me this.’ ‘i’ll send all the troops they ask for that’. if it had not dawned on the geniuses at the ‘gon that they were being set up to hold the bag for this mess, i think they are getting it now.

  • Bush has said that if the Democrats win, then the terrorists win. Right? Is this not saying that Democrats (all Democrats) are terrorist sympathizers? The President is calling roughly half of Americans terrorist sympathizers?! Put that in an ad.

  • I have been very hard on Kerry the past two days, and so it should not be a surprise that I think Rep. Bonehead should also be shown no mercy. This is a great opportunity to show the public how slanted the media and the climate is: at its core, this comment is every bit as insulting to those in uniform (at least a certain subset) as Kerry’s remark. The difference is that Kerry’s was accidental, Bonehead’s was quite intentional. Given the polling on how unpopular Rummy is, this is a no-lose for Dems. Linked with Bush boldly saying Rummy’s job was safe, I think Dems should pull out all of the stops both on three angles: (1) Bonehead insulting the military; (2) this should be as big a story as Kerry; and (3) this admin still doesn’t get it – they are still “Stay the Course” with the disasterous Rummy in charge.

  • Actually, it is Tommy Franks fault. He ignored a perfectly workable plan created by Anthony Zinni and his Centcom staff and created another, failure of a plan at the direction of…

    … wait for it …

    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

    So who do you blame?

    “That said, CB, put the comments in perspective… he ‘didn’ kall ’em all stoopid’!” – JRS Jr.

    Nope, he just called them all failures.

    The failure of the Bushites’ Iraq strategy is not the fault of any General serving right now on the ground in Iraq or the Middle East. The failures of our Iraq strategies are the fault of Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and the man who won’t remove either from power, Boy George Walker Bush, 2nd President for Idiocy of the Bush Dynasty.

    And Kerry didn’t call any soldier or general stupid, he called BG2 stupid (a demonstrable fact).

    “Second, Boehner’s facts are just wrong…” – CB

    What facts? This is just an accusation. Is there more to the transcript where Boner supports it? He has no facts.

  • “us”

    Read Kerry’s written speech and then listen to his speech. He left out the word us.

    The joke was supposed to be about President Bush but now the joke is on John Kerry himself. A verbal mistake made. How many times has our President flubbed up speeches? I can show you a whole clip of them.

    Much to do about nothing.

    Lets get back on track and talk about the real isssues concerning all Americans.

  • The President commands the Generals; that’s why he’s called “Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces.

    The Secretary of Defense commands the Generals; that’s why he’s called “Secretary of Defense.”

    The Congress commands the Generals; that’s why our laws clearly stipulate that “The Military is subservient to the Civilian Authority.”

    The Generals did not hamstring the IEF (Iraqi Expiditionary Force) with thin-skinned vehicles, non-existent body armor, and insufficient manpower levels. They did not make the military tactic take a back burner to a non-functional Iraqi government that is little more than a political shill for the White House and its profiteering friends. And, they did not dream up the madness of establishing a walled-in, nearly-indefensible encampment in the middle of a major metropolitan area, surrounded by hostile forces.

    The clusterf*** of Iraq is NOT the fault of the Generals. It belongs to the Kaiseresque, “Mini-Dubya” puppet who once threatened to fire the next General who questioned his policies.

    John Boehner owes the entire US Military Establishment an immediate apology, and his resignation from the Congress should be called for by his own constituency.

    And, every Republican in Washington should be called upon to denouce this man—at once….

  • I’ve already e-mailed Dean, Schumer & Pelosi on this. I’ve also e-mailed CNN & MSNBC to get on the story quickly. If all us us do the same, we can move this.

    We keep talking about Rove’s “machine”. On our team, WE are the machine. Let’s move it.

  • The underlying assumption in the argument over who’s fault it is, is that the Iraq war is going badly. It will be interesting to hear how Tony Snow handles this, since he’s not allowed to admit the war is a failure.

  • “It will be interesting to hear how Tony Snow handles this, since he’s not allowed to admit the war is a failure.’ – Tony (ironic name, that)

    But Boy George II himself says he’s not “happy with the situation in Iraq”. So you see the failure of the Generals (according to Boner) is that they have not made BG2 “happy”.

    Of course BG2 is not “happy” because a vast majority of Americans consider Iraq a failure, but that’s one remove.

    Of course if a vast majority of Americans consider Iraq a failure while it is not a failure, isn’t it the fault of BG2 and Tony Snowjob because they have failed to explain to the American people that Iraq is not a failure but a ever pending success (just another corner to turn)?

  • We keep talking about Rove’s “machine”. On our team, WE are the machine. Let’s move it.

    Unfortunately, the machine that moved the Kerry story was right-wing talk radio, and we don’t have anything like it. I would love for the Boehner comment to blow up, but I’ll be surprised if I even see it mentioned on CNN today.

  • it’s not Bush’s incompetent Defense Secretary, it’s the uniformed soldiers in the ground in Iraq.

    In the spirit of gotcha commenting, I have to say I really like your typo in this sentence. 🙂

  • Here’s an interesting story:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/11/02/general.retires.ap/

    What I found interesting was how word was leaked out that Rummy was going to retire over Abu Ghraib, but Bush refused to accept his resignation.
    Maybe the reason they kept Rumsfeld on wasn’t because he’s part of the neocon cabal, or because it would have be seen at that time as a setback to the war.

    Call me crazy, but maybe Bush is waiting for Iraq to really turn to shit (i.e., helicopters flying off the embassy), and THEN he can have Rumsfeld fall on his sword, and take most of the blame.

    Too tinfoil hatty?

  • That said, CB, put the comments in perspective… he ‘didn’ kall ’em all stoopid’!

    Right. Boehner called them incompetent and blamed them for screwing up Bush’s perfect little war.

    Only a right-wing troll would find that acceptable.

  • “They can start by asking Republican candidates whether they agree with the House Majority Leader’s assessment that blame rests with those in uniform, and not with Rumsfeld. For that matter, maybe some enterprising White House reporter can ask Tony Snow why the Bush gang demanded Kerry apologize, but Boehner shouldn’t.”

    There’s actually one more option. Dem’s and blogs could continue making noise about it until the news media start to wonder what all the fuss is about. As bad as the MSM have gotten about noticing actual news, they do still love a good fuss.

  • “Only a right-wing troll would find that acceptable.”

    brainiac, please re-read my first sentence in #1. Where do you find my acceptance of such comments. I’m just saying, this by no means will grab either the press’ or news watchers attention as much as Kerry’s inflamatory “botched joke”.

  • JRS,

    How exactly is a botched joke more inflamatory than a Republican’t Congressman trying to shift the blame for the Bushites’ failed Iraq policy from Rummy to the generals on the ground?

    You have a weird notion of what is more offensive. Or maybe you just can’t really compare the two fairly when one comes from a Democrat and the other from a Republican’t.

  • Looks like it’s time for another VoteVet ad.

    That’s interesting, the Daily Show’s Moment of Zen a few days ago featured Rumsfeld very angrily saying he was responsible for Iraq, that he’d said it many times before and telling the reporter to “Write it down.” A few days before that Shrub said he was accountable. Now Bushbaby is saying the generals have told him they have enough soldiers to get the job done in Iraq. Actually his words were they can “live with,” the current troop levels. (You go to war with the soldiers you have…) Pretty meaningless since there are no more troops to send unless we want to pull out of Afghanistan.

    These bastards can’t even keep their spin straight. But Bone-her is the one who can’t remember if any one ever mentioned Foley was rustling pages so what do we expect?

    Good for Reid for hopping on this but I know the troops, their families and anyone with two brain-cells to bang together already know their fearless leaders (except when it comes to actual combat) don’t give a flaming damn about them except as cogs in the ShrubCo propoganda machine and “support” only extends to empty words. I doubt a single man or woman on the ground is surpised by the current bucket of shit being slung their way.

  • What is Boehner blaming the gnerals for? They won the war in Iraq. We conquered the country, deposed the government, set up a new one more to our liking and bombed, killed, straifed and blew up whatever we wanted to. The war in Iraq is over — we’re in an occupation now.

    The only thing you can do in an occupation is keep on staying or leave. You can’t win an occupation, because the only thing left to win are the hearts and minds of the people, and that doesn’t happen from the barrel of a gun. And what are we there to stay for? Supposedly because there are still bad people there. So the only reason for a continued military presence is that we want to kill all the people we don’t like. Bush needs to come out publicly and say who needs to be killed and have the military do it as they see fit, or it’s time for us to leave and quit killing people, because the killing people is what is creating more bad people. … Unless it’s really all about the oil or some other BS argument which Bush and his boys have yet to tell us about.

    Boehner is trying to blame the generals for losing what they’ve already won. How boneheaded is that. The only thing that’s being lost these days is the Repubican PR campaign in the US, and neither the generals nor the soldiers are to blame — that purely a Repub f-up.

  • When I turned on CNN this morning, for some damn reason I expected to see something about Boner. Nope, still talking about John Kerry.

  • brainiac, please re-read my first sentence in #1. Where do you find my acceptance of such comments. I’m just saying, this by no means will grab either the press’ or news watchers attention as much as Kerry’s inflamatory “botched joke”.

    Fair enough. But you follow up with this sentence: “That said, CB, put the comments in perspective… he ‘didn’ kall ’em all stoopid’! ” Which clearly means you find some equivalency between a “botched joke” and a GOP leader calling U.S. troops. incompetent and blaming for them for the war. By the way, there’s no indication Boehner was joking.

    What you find offensive and take great umbrage at is just strange. I really wonder what right-wing trolls like yourself are thinking most days.

  • “How exactly is a botched joke more inflammatory than a Republican’t Congressman trying to shift the blame for the Bushites’ failed Iraq policy from Rummy to the generals on the ground?”

    Not quite sure, you’ll have to ask the experts… My guess (only a guess/observation and not a belief) is many folks don’t believe it was truly a “botched joke” given Kerry’s history of critical comments re: the military.

    Also, the content “botched joke” vaguely fits with the “I’m better and smarter than you” stigma cast on Kerry last election cycle (with the pictures of him snow boarding and wind surfing and blasting W on his intelligence — when in fact his grades were worse than W’s). Therefore this current “story” helps perpetuate a weathered story of an ‘upper class’ national politician casting judgment on the ‘lower class’.

    Finally, Kerry is a much more known figure in US political arena. I bet you a majority of Americans have no idea who Boehner is and therefore don’t really care what he says (though, of course, they should).

    Sure it’s not fair, but the reality is past presidential candidates that are dabbling with the idea of joining the fray in ’08 are going to have a huge spot light on them — especially the ones that have recurring bouts if “foot-in-mouth” syndrome.

    That’s why people are viewing it as more inflammatory.

  • “That’s why people are viewing it as more inflammatory.” – JRS Jr.

    People? The PEOPLE think we should get out of IRAQ. THE PEOPLE THINK THIS IS A STUPID QUAGMIRE OF A WAR! THE PEOPLE THINK BOY GEORGE II GOT US STUCK IN IRAQ JUST LIKE KERRY SAID.

    You are not one of the PEOPLE! You are a Kool Aid Drinker who does not get the fact that Boy George II has failed this country on every damn front. You support LIEberman, the Bushite appologist, rather than your own party’s candidate simply because you fear the will of the American People.

    There are no PEOPLE who find Kerry’s remarks inflamatory. Those things are only the tools of Bushite oppression, nothing more.

    And who exactly has done a poll to ask whether BONER or Kerry was more offensive?

  • “There are no PEOPLE who find Kerry’s remarks inflamatory.”

    Sure Lance, sure. Let me know when you run out of air in your little bubble of your’s.

    But before you do that, tell me why has every Dem Kerry was supposed to stump with told him to go back to DC (after he apologized for his remarks.)

    You are a jackass.

  • “You support LIEberman, the Bushite appologist, rather than your own party’s candidate simply because you fear the will of the American People”.

    LOL… The general election will in fact show the will of ALL CT voters, not just the rabid Dems who narrowly voted him out as the party candidate in the Primary. Now that is democracy!

    Funny how when you folks all supported Joe in his last elections, no one complained how many GOP voters jumped party lines then.

    I can hear the following phrase ring louder and louder every day… “Oh we’re sooo sorry, Joe come back, PLEEEASE!”

  • “”But before you do that, tell me why has every Dem Kerry was supposed to stump with told him to go back to DC (after he apologized for his remarks.)” –JRS Jr

    • Kerry did not apologize for his comments, but for the misunderstanding that his misspeaking may have caused.

    As the combat vet who helped establish the Winter Soldiers Commission (which enabled soldiers to reduce their guilt by reporting the warcrimes they participated in or saw take place), Kerry has nothing to apologize for in calling Bush the stupidest jackass criminal in the history of the United States presidency.

    As for the Dem candidates who Kerry was scheduled to appear with, so what? Campaigning avoids scandal — EVEN FALSE SCANDALS CREATED BY THE MINDLESS, GREED MACHINE FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

    The guy is a jackass? Takes one to know one, JRS sr.

    Make sure you fly a flag to cover up your guilt for the 1/4 of our troops who the U.S. Army War College says died because of lack of armor. Thanks, Donald.

  • As far as I’m concerned, this is just another republican trial balloon to shift blame. They have been blaming the press forever, but it isn’t working, because people understand exactly what a mess Iraq is, and no amount of “good news” reporting about painting schools will help. Next, blame the military (generals)–anything to keep the responsiblity off those in charge. My God, they are such a bunch of cowards.

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