Evangelical powerhouse caught up in gay scandal

Somehow, it seems those who complain about the gays the most always seem to get caught up in gay sexual affairs. This one, however, is a pretty big deal in the evangelical world. (via Aravosis)

A gay man and admitted male escort claims he has had an ongoing sexual relationship with a well-known Evangelical pastor from Colorado Springs.

Mike Jones told 9 Wants to Know Investigative Reporter Paula Woodward he has had a “sexual business” relationship with Pastor Ted Haggard for the past three years.

Haggard is the founder and senior leader of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs. The church has 14,000 members. He is also president of the National Association of Evangelicals, an organization that represents millions of people.

Haggard is married with five children and an outspoken critic of gay marriage.

To be sure, Haggard vehemently denies the accusations. “I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver,” Haggard told a reporter last night. “I am steady with my wife. I’m faithful to my wife.” For that matter, I haven’t seen any evidence of a relationship, though Jones says he has “recorded voicemails and a letter from Haggard, and that he had also witnessed Haggard use methamphetamine.”

Haggard’s name may not be as familiar as Falwell or Robertson, but in evangelical circles, Haggard is a powerhouse. It’s worth noting, however, that if this scandal brings him down, this isn’t necessarily a good thing.

Haggard was listed by Time magazine as one of the 25 most influential Evangelicals in America last year, and this is one of a handful of religious leaders with immediate access to the Bush White House. Harper’s recently wrote, “No pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism than does Pastor Ted.”

So, is this a time for some schadenfreude? Not really. It’s true that Haggard was vehemently anti-gay, and if he did engage in a gay affair, it causes the evangelical movement some additional embarrassment.

But it’s also worth remembering that in a broad movement, Haggard was occasionally a voice of reason. Over the summer, for example, when there was a growing debate about the American use of torture on suspected terrorists, Haggard stepped up to sign a joint statement that said torture “violates the basic dignity of the human person” and “contradicts our nation’s most cherished values.” The statement added, “Nothing less is at stake in the torture abuse crisis than the soul of our nation. What does it signify if torture is condemned in word but allowed in deed?”

Moreover, Haggard’s National Association of Evangelicals was one of a handful of Christian groups to show some leadership in dealing with global warming, and pressured the Bush administration to change its position.

For that matter, when Pat Robertson called for Hugo Chavez’s assassination, Haggard also told a reporter, “Pat doesn’t speak for evangelicals any more than Dr. Phil speaks for mental health professionals.”

I guess my point is, if a major evangelical leader was going to get caught in a gay sex scandal, I would have preferred it to be James Dobson instead of Ted Haggard.

In circumstances that would test even Job, I’m glad to see James Dobson unwavering faith and allegiance to the One True God, Karl Rove.

  • “I guess my point is, if a major evangelical leader was going to get caught in a gay sex scandal, I would have preferred it to be James Dobson…”

    Patience, Clarise. All good things to those who wait.

  • This guy’s no angel. He reliably supports Republicans as well as the teaching of ID. Bringing him down would be an unmitigated good thing.

  • Patience, CB.

    Every avalanche begins with but a single snowflake; every tsunami, a lone drop of water. Tearing down an old house full of bitter memories also means the demolition of those few, fond memories between….

  • “I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver,”

    Translation: I do not have a male partner in Denver, CO.

    That’s damn pretty specific Ted. How about Aspen? Steamboat Springs?

    I assume he’s very much against extramarital nookie of all sorts so I really don’t care who he’s fucking/be fucked by. Yeah, it’s too bad he’s been rational at some points in his life but the fact is, people need to pick fetishes that don’t involve other human beings as the object if they don’t want these sorts of things to happen. Get an inflatable George Bush doll and leave people alone please.

  • No more compromises with these people (NONE OF THEM, no matter their flavor). ANY group whose apotheosis, their raison d’etre, is a Global War in the Middle East that only they survive to rule for a 1000 years, should NOT be allowed anywhere near the levers of Power.

    If your religion is at odds with Civilization, you can’t be in charge of Nuclear Arsenals.

    Is that so crazy…?

  • “Nothing less is at stake in the torture abuse crisis than the soul of our nation. What does it signify if torture is condemned in word but allowed in deed?”

    Shorter Ted Haggard: Judge not a man on his words, but his deeds.

    Fair enough. Haggard’s leading the fight for an anti-gay marriage initiative in Colorado, and he’s tied to the anti-gay Bush administration. Stumping for candidates opposed to torture or those looking for solutions to global warming? Not so much.

    So we have a right-wing evangelical Christian who is strenuously against gays and pays passing lip service to other more “liberal” issues. I say we take what we can get when it comes to schadenfreude.

  • Translation: I do not have a male partner in Denver, CO.

    That’s damn pretty specific Ted. How about Aspen? Steamboat Springs?

    Think closer: Idaho Springs, Golden, Englewood, Arvada or Thornton. Ted probably has expensive taste in gay hookers, and he wanted to make the most of his time and money.

  • Smells like an inside job to me. Could his own people be trying to do him in for not being radical *enough*? Wouldn’t surprise me, all things considered.

  • By the way, shouldn’t somebody get Jeff Gannon to cover this? He’d have the “inside information” if anybody would. 😉

  • #8 Brainiac is right. Sounds like the parson is already parsing. “Technically true” is probably all right with that true believer. Moral relativity is fine for his immoral relations. Wedlock doesn’t have a lock on his cock.

  • I guess my point is, if a major evangelical leader was going to get caught in a gay sex scandal, I would have preferred it to be James Dobson instead of Ted Haggard.

    Actually, I would have preferred Fred Phelps. With one of his sons-in-law.

  • In general doesn’t it seem like some gays are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore? Seems like some revelations have come from angry gays this political season. Revelations! They’re not just for the bible any more!

  • Thanks braniac, my knowledge of Colorado is shamefully incomplete. From your list I would pick Englewood because that appeals to my juvenille sense of humor (he said Wood.) My second choice would be Idaho Springs (he said Ho). Is there a South Park/Big Gay Al joke in here somewhere? Maybe not.

    I must point out that Haggard is a great name for a guy who is married, has five children and a little thang on the side.

  • While we might gloat about this event, it may also be spun as evidence of a vast lib’rul conspiracy in order to outrage/activate the froot-loop base. The next several days should reveal more.

  • Topic of discussion this Sunday: what leading values conservatives would we most like to see caught up in a gay sex scandal? I cast my vote for a three-way with Dobson and Bill Bennet playing submissive to Karl Rove’s dominance. If Christians going to get fucked over by the Mayberry Machiavellis, might as well make it literal, right?

  • I must point out that Haggard is a great name for a guy who is married, has five children and a little thang on the side.

    Comment by The answer is orange

    LOL. Not to mention the state of the MRS.

    One quibble. From what little I know of such things, “little thang” is not what the gay escorts advertise.

  • I’ll smile when we see some evidence. Until then I’ll just smirk a little at the Theocratic Reactionaries discomfort.

    And I think Dale is right. Now that the velvet mafia is going to be purged, there is no reason for the homosexual community to keep the Republican’ts and their bootlickers secrets.

  • His overly-specific denial is in the interview, but he also made more blanket denials of ever having a homosexual relationship or using drugs.

    He also said something else that was interesting. He was talking about the process he will be going through, and in that context this came popping out:

    “…We live in a crazy world, um, as you know John Kerry said some things, and we all know he didn’t mean what they’re saying he meant. I don’t think he thinks our servicepersonnel are dumb. But, I think he was trying to put a construction together, and he misspoke, but he’s gotta go through the process with it…”

    Kinda interesting. I think I’m with CB on this one, even though I detest TV preachers generally. This one is not the enemy.

  • Hitler liked dogs. I guess that makes him OK, too.

    Ever hear the old saying “even a stopped clock is right twice a day” – thought you had.

    I hope Haggard gets destroyed. You should go read Harpers from 2005 about the way he puts on his show – and it is a show, not a sermon or a church service – and ask yourself if this guy isn’t the one putting on the circuses for the Emperor.

    I hope Ted Haggard rots in the hell he and all the other assholes who commit the crime of blasphemy, saying that they know what God said, did. Get in line with Falwell, Robertson, and every other hateful bigot blaspheming God by their existence. They all make Elmer Gantry look like Christ’s brother.

    And maybe this will set some of the sheep to wondering how it is they’re the ones getting sheared by these bastards.

    There isn’t anything Christian about any of them.

  • In the spirit of Bush’s tone-improvement exercises, I’d like to say that I wish self-hating Christians would go back to mutilating themselves instead of founding churches.

  • The only thing that would have made this funner would be if the other party was a general from the Air Force Academy.

  • Haggard stepped up to sign a joint statement that said torture “violates the basic dignity of the human person”

    FAGIT!!!

    Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if this is confirmed, and Dobson et al. declare good riddance to the anti-Christian terrorist enabler.

  • As a Coloradan, I would love to just see Colorado Springs sink into the earth one day. Then again, I live in Boulder so I’m sure they say the same thing about us.

  • I find it sad that we’ve gotten to a point where anyone’s sexuality matters.

    Granted, guys like Pastor Ted, Fred Phelps, Dobson, et al, are the ones who made it an issue, and I’m one for pointing out hypocrisy in all it’s flavors.

    But it just … well, I guess I just find it a rather pathetic commentary on our society.

  • Haggard isn’t going to change the direction of the Bush administration on torture or global warming, but he can sure has hell influence his 14,000 followers to vote to deprive Colorado gay people of their rights. Yeah, I wish it were Dobson, too, but forgive my broad smile if this turns out to be well founded.

  • and Clinton said “I didn’t have sex with that woman.” and he technically didn’t. Maybe thats what we have here, Haggard didn’t ‘technically’ have sex. Of course, people now think that a blow job is not sex.

  • Thanks for that, stupidsexyjesus (#30). Best news I’ve had all day.

    And thanks, CB, for the link to Olbermann’s comment. He has returned the noble art of rhetoric to its former glory, lost when the TeeVee crowd began to be nothing more than chirpy or adoring fawners over celebrity.

  • 26 Siamang–

    That U2b link was great. In fact I watched more of the Richard Dawkins series Root of All Evil…much more worthy debate than the stuff of Haggard’s story today? Thinking for oneself v. accepting dogma.

    As to calls for sympathy, as Brainiac says, he was solidly pushing Bush’s agenda (and therefore his candidates). He doesn’t come across as very liberal in that video…at least ideologically. Especially when he later chases off the film crew.

    Compare and contrast to the 15-minute video from Wed. 11/01 on the local 9news.com where he is proclaiming to be very tolerant…and apparently unaware that the “Board of Overseers” would ask him to step down while under investigation (a la DeLay, Ney, etc…oh, wait…they didn’t step down).

    Nice one, The Answer. Repeat customer.

  • “I guess my point is, if a major evangelical leader was going to get caught in a gay sex scandal, I would have preferred it to be James Dobson…”

    I disagree.

    James Dobson is necessary as is Jerry Falwell, Randall Terry, and several other more prominent spokespeople for the “religious right”. These individuals provide the necessary nationally-recognized evidence of just how deceived they and their millions of “followers” are and also provide the necessary connection between their brand of lunatic and the ones currently running the show here at home. I’d actually further clarify that I believe Dobson and all the others know *full well* that they are engaging in mass deception, as blatantly as the current US mal-administrator marched our nation into IRAQ on lies. Doing so, for so long, and with such access to the current seat of power, must certainly give one the impression of invulnerability.

    “Pastor Ted” need should not be given a license to be a hypocrite when the other stuff he engages in – promulgating myths and denying basic science in favor of superstition – damage humanity as severely as the acts of the current US mal-administration. Neither should he not suffer the consequences of this public exposure, when so many others – who were indeed innocent – have been just as thrashed. John Kerry comes to mind. Swift boat.

    Voices of reason need not come from this band loonies to be heard. There’s plenty of reason to be had if one merely tunes to the proper channels, and you can get it all without the “baable”.

    So I say let “Ted” fade into the obscurity he, and eventually all the others, richly deserve because America deserves no less.

  • 32.

    Yes I would have to concur with your take on the man. I am sure you cannot blame the starving masses for divine justice and jumping on the bandwagon. Even I licked my chops a little…as there is little that is more fun then watching a public hypocrite burn…especially a right winger, in the current political climate.

  • Oh, well then, I guess I as a gay man with a husband and son should feel better about Haggart’s assaults on me and my family since he spoke out against torture and signed a statement on global warming.

    That changes everything.

    He’s practically a saint.

  • I think you underestimate the importance of Haggard. I suggest you read the article “Soldiers of Christ.”
    http://www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html

    Haggard’s fall, if it happens, will shake evengelicals, and the Radical Religious Right far more than any other recent event. (The Jim Bakker scandals were a wake-up call, this will leave evangelicals totally lost, like the ground has dropped out from under them.)

    As someone who opposes this form of Christianity, i can only celebrate, because of the shaking of the certainties this will cause.

    Haggard might not be a person whose name resonates in the mainstream worl, but he’s far bigger than Dobson, far more attractive than Falwell.

  • CB wrote: “But it’s also worth remembering that in a broad movement, Haggard was occasionally a voice of reason.”

    Any evidence of Haggard’s moderate stance in defiance of the GOP talking points will now be collected and used to discredit him ex post facto. You know, the old “we always knew there was sumpthin’ funny about that guy” angle. Can’t have any confusing contradictions flopping about in the official history books.

  • I watched the entire 15 minute interview with Mr. Haggard, and found him to be quite believable. It’s actually possible that he is telling the truth; however, if the allegations against Mr. Haggard are found to be true, this will shake the very foundations of the evangelical world. And stranger things have happened in the world of Bush…Foley and the fake journalist (with gay-website ties) come to mind. The words of Shakespeare continue to ring true when it comes to the right-wing gay-bashing zealots…to paraphrase, “He doth protest too much!.”

  • From ssj’s link:

    ***The statement says Haggard could “not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations”.***

    Sorry, Ted—but a REAL Christian could stand head and shoulders above that cloud. A REAL Christian could face the fire, and go on without missing a step. A REAL Christian could “turn the other cheek,” as the Nazarene Carpenter taught.

    But—you’re just another one of those “Hide behind Jesus” hatemongers, Ted. You throw your little pebbles, and then use Jesus as a shield. You made Jesus take the stones that were meant for you.

    Jesus just stepped aside, Ted—and there’s a great big mountain coming right at you!!!

    Serves him right—the twit….

  • “Haggard’s fall, if it happens, will shake evengelicals, and the Radical Religious Right far more than any other recent event.” – Prup

    I doubt that mightily. The Theocratic Reactionaries are impervious to thought and introspection. That fact that one of their leaders has reportedly confessed (stated on NPR this morning) to SOMETHING will just convince them that it’s a sick world out there and even the best can be sucked in (pun intended).

    And if Jimmy Swaggert can beg forgiveness for frequenting a prostitute and asking her to pimp her teenaged daughter to him…

    … well, with God all things are possible.

  • I guess my point is, if a major evangelical leader was going to get caught in a gay sex scandal, I would have preferred it to be James Dobson instead of Ted Haggard.

    But I’ll take this! Anything that embarasses Bush, anything that reduces the fundie vote, anything that shows them for the sex-obsessed creeps they are. Bring it on – these idiots need to stick to preaching to the converted and stay out of your bedroom and mine.

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