Worst … defense … ever

How absurd is White House Press Secretary Tony Snow willing to push his smear of critics of the war? Far enough to say there is no distinction between troops and their mission. (via Dan Froomkin)

“[T]he troops need to understand not only do we support them, but most of the people who are on the battlefront today volunteered for service knowing what they were getting into, and knowing what the cause was.

You can’t say, ‘I support the troops, but I hate the cause,’ because that’s why they signed up. And you’ve got men and women who are risking their lives for what they consider a noble cause, which is not only defeating al Qaeda and defeating terrorists abroad, but also creating conditions that are going to allow people in that part of the world to brush aside terror as an unnecessary distraction to building a better life through free and democratic society.”

It’s almost amazing in the scope of its demagoguery, isn’t it?

Think about the implications. Every man and woman who volunteers to wear the uniform necessarily supports the mission to which they’ve been sent. As such, it’s necessarily true that if you criticize a war, you’re criticizing servicemen and women.

My hat’s off to you, Mr. Snow. You’ve taken hackery to a depth I hadn’t thought possible.

I’m sure all the people who signed up for a weekend a month in the National Guard really did it so that they could spend a year or two in Iraq. Right…

  • . . . and then i think about those who signed up in the wake of 9/11 because of lies about an Iraq link or WMD, or about those long-term National Guard members who signed up before Bush was even in office, and all of those who signed on for a limited term only to find out stop loss orders would keep them on much, much longer than they’d bargained for, and I am reminded about our earlier discussion here about whether it is rape if you try to stop getting screwed after a period of time. . . guess we know where Mr. Snow would be on that issue. This administration and its spokesmen are all shameless. Mere contempt doesn’t come close to doing them justice.

  • That famous old double positive equally a negative applies here. Yeah, right!

    I saw a phot of some guys in a deuce and a half in Iraq with a sign on the windshield that said, “Two weeks a year my ass.”

    Instead of an Inspector General they need a bitch-slap general. Send one of the Bush team to Iraq each month and let the troops get in line and deliver one bitch-slap to him each with no consquences.

    The repubs should be be arrested for swindling if nothing else.

  • Where is this different from the prominent New York Zionist Rabbi who claims that “criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism”???

    When your case sucks and your client is an obvious criminal, you do everything you can. In the case of the Bushies and their war and the Zionists and their war, criticism of the act is now criticism of the existence of the actors.

    Both cases are evidence of deep moral bankruptcy.

  • Actually Kerry didn’t go far enough (although I know he was talking about Bush and not the troops) If you flunk out of high school and are mentally ill you might end up stationed in Iraq.

  • Tony Snowjob on patrol with the troops in Iraq one night. No one else.

    Does he come back? 😉

  • You can’t say, ‘I support the troops, but I hate the cause,’ because that’s why they signed up.

    That would be as stupid as saying, “Love the sinnner, hate the sin,” wouldn’t it? I can’t imagine any of Bush’s base falling for that kind of sophistry!

  • Is this his way of telling the soldiers stuck in Shrub’s never Corpse Creation Machine to quit whining, lay back and enjoy it? Because that’s what it sounds like to me. Do you think he’ll apologize?
    And if I were a mealy-mouthed son-of-a-bitch I’d admire his attempt to make this not about the real cause of the current disaster (the biggest dog to ever drag its butt across the Oval Office rug) but some “noble cause.” But we’ve heard this before and the fact they’re trotting out “support the troops,” again shows it is impossible for ShrubCo to realize that most people would not have a problem with the war if there were some sign the people who started it had a fucking clue beyond “Go catch some bullets boys!” I also wonder what they’d say to the fine folks at VoteVets.Org. Actually I don’t, I bet those guys scare the shit out of ShrubCo.
    But that’s OK Tony, you keep talking about the war, keep reminding people, keep everyone’s attention focused on the puddles of blood and dead soldiers and burning buildings. For a whiile there we were worried you guys would change the subject and right-thinking people might waver on Election Day.

  • Its simplistic thinking like that which helped lead to bad treatment of Vietnam Veterans.

    If you accept Snow’s duplicitous logic, then you have to conclude that you cannot support the troops if you dont support the war?

    Of course Snow is wrong, most of the people who signed up was not because they wanted to serve in Iraq.

    Soldiers dont have to support the war in Iraq to be good soldiers either.

  • “…brush aside terror as an unnecessary distraction…”

    Remember in 2004, when Repugs attacked Kerry claiming he said “terrorism is a nuisance”? Well Snow just said what Kerry said in 2004. But let’s do a “bizarro” and attack Snow this time around…

    BREAKING: SNOW CLAIMS TERROR IS AN UNNECESSARY DISTRACTION

  • Not only that, but I have to admit that I almost choked at a luncheon where a Full-Bird Colonel stood up and just casually mentioned (in the course of other things, naturally) that he was a Democrat and a Liberal. You could almost cut the surprise with a knife, because this is roughly equivalent to a gay guy coming out to his Catholic family…

    The tide in the military is changing, and severely so. In 2000, you couldn’t find any military folks who weren’t cheering on the election of Bush, since they figured that a Republican in office would help out the paychecks, and make life nice. By 2004, you could only find a portion of that who actively supported him, and, nowadays, politics are wholly off-limits. Basically, everyone I know hates him, and the only reason that they aren’t out actively speaking against him is that he is their Commander-in-Chief.

  • Well of course! If you criticize the Commander in Chief, you are criticizing the mission, and if you are criticizing the mission, you are criticizing the troops, and if you are criticizing the troops, then you must be French like John Kerry.

  • I think this goes beyond hackery though and more to their unspoken mission of ultimately being Thought Police for the American people.

    If you speak out against the War on Terror, you are criticizing American troops and, by extension, America.

    If you criticize America, you are to be despised, demonized and ostracized. Moreover, those who critize America and its troops and who take any action against the War on Terror are supporting the terrorists because you’re either with us or against us.

    Since you are supporting the terrorists, Bush can have you arrested under the Military Commissions Act, deny you counsel or a hearing and hold you with no evidence.

    Ain’t it wonderful how easily liberty is taken away.

  • I think this idea was promoted by some people in Nuerenberg in the late 1940’s. I don’t think the Commander in Chief of the US military should be suggesting the individual = the cause. Thank goodness for the Geneva Conventions! Ooops, we don’t apply them to the war on terra. Seems like a lot of people in camo just got hosed.

  • I see this as nothing more than the White House cowardly shielding themselves from criticism for their FUBAR of a war, behind the very men and women they have put in harm’s way.

    It gives “human shield” a new disgusting meaning.

  • I thought Ari Fleisher was the worst liar, then came Scott McClellan, and he was even worse than Ari, and now we have Tony, who is worse than both of them put together.

    I shudder to think how bad the next one will be.

  • For Sale: One soul, never used. Contact Tony S., Washington D.C.

    Maybe someone could explain to me about the Iraq vets that are running as Democrats and are against the war. Where do they fall in Tony’s spectrum of support?

    (Note: All comparison of the current Dems to the past Whigs is for another thread. Thank you.)

  • Truly a peak moment in sophistry and congratulations to Tony Snow! The logic is unassailable, if we ignore every element of the humanity of the troops, their pasts and futures as civilians, and the limited individuality they retain legally and morally as U.S. soldiers then Mr. Snow has a point.

  • Today’s poll done by Pew:

    61% of Americans want a change of strategy

    27 % of Americans want troops out

    Seems like a lot of troop hating going on.

  • I think I was channeling Jesse Jackson:

    If you…CRIT-i-cize….you will be DES-pised….DE-mon-ized….and OS-tra-cized.

    Run Jesse run.

  • does that mean that soldier/marine/navy corpsman who doesn’t agree with “the mission” can come home now?

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