Picking a fight over health care

Conventional wisdom notwithstanding, congressional Dems will begin 2007 with a fairly aggressive policy agenda, and near the top of the list a key health care policy Dems have been itching to implement for a long time: using the government to negotiate lower drug prices for Medicare beneficiaries. The Bush administration opposes the move. This is going to be fun.

Top White House Dan Bartlett got the ball rolling yesterday, explaining on Fox News Sunday that prices have already “come down” and drugs are already cheap enough. It’s a fairly odd argument to make — as Judd noted, taxpayers “could save as much as $190 billion over the next 10 years” if Medicare negotiated prices with drug makers. The Veterans Administration already negotiates with pharmaceutical companies, and it pays a lot less for medication.

Dems want to improve the system. The administration doesn’t.

The Bush administration said on Sunday that it would strenuously oppose one of the Democrats’ top priorities for the new Congress: legislation authorizing the government to negotiate with drug companies to secure lower drug prices for Medicare beneficiaries.

In an interview, Michael O. Leavitt, the secretary of health and human services, said he saw no prospect of compromise on the issue.

“In politics,” Mr. Leavitt said, “most specific issues like this are a disguise for a larger difference. Government negotiation of drug prices does not work unless you have a program completely run by the government. Democrats say they want the government to negotiate prices. What they really want is government-run health care.”

That’s really the only rhetorical trick the Bush gang has on this one. We say we can lower prices for seniors who need medication; the White House says prices are fine the way they are. We say using government buying power save the government money; they White House says, “Socialized medicine! Run for your lives!”

I like our chances on this one.

Today’s Progress Report had a good run down of the broader policy dynamic.

Drug makers have increased the prices on many of the top selling drugs this year by as much as six percent, double the inflation rate. Because Medicare doesn’t require any discount over the list price, “drug makers are being paid as much as 20 percent more for the same drugs that they had already been providing to recipients under Medicaid.” Furthermore, spiraling drug costs are expanding the coverage gap in Medicare Part D, leaving millions of Americans without coverage. The New York Times reports that, with the current Medicare prescription benefit, big drug companies are enjoying “a financial windfall larger than even the most optimistic Wall Street analysts had predicted.”

Secretary Leavitt said yesterday he doesn’t want the power to negotiate drug prices. “I don’t believe I can do a better job than an efficient market,” he said.

Don’t sell yourself short, Mike. The rest of us are plenty sure you can do a better job. If not, you should probably make way for someone who can.

The Dems’ policy proposal is, of course, one of the key items on Nancy Pelosi’s 100-hour agenda. Is Bush prepared to veto a measure that lower spending and lower prices for seniors’ medication? Stay tuned.

This might be the best chance for the Dems to push healthcare reform as BigPharma screwed themselves by putting most of their money went to the defeated Repubs so no one feels any need to kiss BigPharma’s ass.

“Socialized medicine! Run for your lives!”

BTW, what’s wrong with socialized medicine? Aside from demonizing government healthcare as the worst thing in the world?

  • I predict that the Republicans will have a hard time selling their liberal-conspiracy-theory version of the story, and that they will all fold like a house of cards. But it’ll be interesting to see how the Big Media spins this in between the Viagra ads.

  • BTW, what’s wrong with socialized medicine?

    I’ve been wondering the same thing for years.

  • Oh I cannot wait to see how many GOP Congresspersons will side with the Administration on this. I would bet that more will side with the Dems.

  • BTW CB,

    Did you see Howard Dean’s excellent performance yesterday on Fox News Sunday?

  • ‘BTW, what’s wrong with socialized medicine?’

    The repukes will lose millions in kickbacks. That’s whats wrong with it.

  • Government negotiation of drug prices does not work unless you have a program completely run by the government. Democrats say they want the government to negotiate prices. What they really want is government-run health care.

    A program like, oh, say… Medicare?

  • “A program like, oh, say… Medicare?” – Will

    LOL

    It is, isn’t it. And for a lot lower administrative burdern (2%) than “Market Driven” health insurance (23%).

    Yes, please let Boy George II veto this. That would be a hoot.

  • What they really want is government-run health care.

    Yes. Yes we do. And so does the overwhelming majority of Americans. There’s no way this issue can help the GOP, and putting it at the top of the agenda for the next Congress should really show the country what kind of a difference the Democrats can make. They should keep pushing these issues, there has got to be numerous issues that are wildly popular with Americans that have been stifled by the conservative-led Congress for the past 12 years. Let’s start catching up.

  • “I don’t believe I can do a better job than an efficient market,” he said.

    This of course is absolute crap and I can tell you the investigative branch of HHS (OIG) is wondering if this man has been raiding the free samples drawer. The cost of drugs is a huge issue with the HHS. And the Part D disaster aside, Medicare is poised to implement a record-breaking cut to the amount it pays doctors for their services next year. (Pardon me if I bore, I have to write about this garbage for a living.)

    So. Part D is costing a lot more than originally projected by the bAdmin. Medicare is bleeding like someone who has been hunting with Dick “Duck!” Cheney. When the base fee for services drop, doctors drop out of Medicare. We have a large, steadily aging population which means the program will just keep acquiring more patients. But when someone suggests ways to save money … the Admin recoils like someone has handed them a basket of snakes. Could it be that someone has allowed the pharmaceutical industry to latch onto their balls and is afraid to anger it?
    Nah.

  • Bush still hasn’t vetoed anything has he?

    If medicine went back to basics then universal healthcare could be provided. Look at all the money and tech wasted on Chenery’s robo heart. Hyper expensive therapys to give smoking, drinking, gluttons a few more years are really wasted as far as I’m concerned.

    Everybody deserves basic health care and doctors aren’t enslaved in doing it even with socialized medicine.

  • “What they really want is government-run health care.”

    As should every business in America that is not a health insurance company. The costs of health insurance is one of the burdens on labor we are unnecessarily imposing on companies. Sure providing it makes your employees a little less likely to leave, but then it also makes employees more expensive to recruit.

    Business provided health insurance was caused by Socialism, the Federal Government control of wages during World War II. With wages fixed businesses started to compete for limited labor by offering health insurance. Defending it now is as lame as defending crop subsidies (especially for tobacco and sugar), also FDR era socialism.

    Republican’ts, can’t let go of the Socialism they love.

  • “Bush still hasn’t vetoed anything has he?” – Dale

    Just Federal funding of Embyronic Stem Cell Research. You know, the issue that lost Senator Talent (R-MO) his job 😉

  • Dale – I believe Bush vetoed the stem cell bill.

    This relatively simple but effective health care action, minimum wage increase, and ethics reform would be a truly fantastic triple play for the first acts of a new Democratic Congress. All would be very hard for R’s to vote against without suffering tremendous backlash, all would be popular, and it would show that Dems can quickly make changes that actually make a difference.

  • About Medicare, Lyndon Johnson predicted that — after Big Med fought tooth and nail against it — the doctors would love the business it would give them. He was right.

    Socialized medicine is health care available to people who aren’t rich, but are actually sick. Our “best in the world” system has reached the point that doctors can’t afford to treat the sick — only the facelifted.

  • Rian #9, right on the money. This is something to keep the Bush Admin, and the Democrats in Congress, feet to the fire on. And keep pointing out how “free market, no socialized medicine” hypocrites like Cheney keep getting their “socialized medicine”, paid for it part by people who do not have or can not afford medical industiral complex insurance.

  • Isn’t the administration embarrassed that Wal-Mart, whose record is mixed at best, is stepping into the void and providing low-cost generic prescription drugs? I assume that Wal-Mart is just doing what the government codified a law prohibiting itslef from doing: using massive purchasing power to negotiate lower prices from the thieving bastard pharma industry and passing the savings on to the people who most need the help.

    Wal-Mart???!!!! And I have heard that Target plans to get in on this in a few states, too.

  • Funny how Walmart can negotiate prices, but Uncle Sam is helpless. Let that one sink in, Walmart cares more about their employees then Bush does about Amercian citizens, namely the elderly.

    CB, get the veto pool rolling, how many vetoes are we going to see before Jan ’09. I say 17.

  • Chief, you beat me to the punch.

    I think the Dems could easily take over the country for a very long time if they simply stick with and get universal heath care implemented.

  • BTW, what’s wrong with socialized medicine?

    Being from Alberta (and now in the U.S.), this was my plan (now updated to 2006):

    http://www.health.gov.ab.ca/ahcip/ahcip_prescriptionseniors.html

    The premiums were not based on your income. If you were low-income, you got help.

    Now, there’s no drug plan, but that can be bought separately, however seniors have a premium-free drug plan and they are to cover 30% of the cost of each presciption, up to $25 maximum for each. I don’t know how that compares with the U.S. Medicare plan.

  • “Could it be that someone has allowed the pharmaceutical industry to latch onto their balls and is afraid to anger it?”

    Or perhaps the pharmaceutical industry has discovered that the government tit is really lactating hard for them???

  • I’m going to go against the grain here on the socialized medicine issue (I agree with the negotiating lower drug prices idea — to do otherwise is just plain stupid).

    It’s not that I don’t think something should be done to fix the current system. With 45 million uninsured, it’s a ginormous issue. Also, as someone with about $15K in medical bills and continually rising premiums, I’m not exactly thrilled with the way things work now.

    HOWEVER … do we really want a bunch of primarily out-of-touch fuqtards running our medical system?

    Do we want them playing politics with our health?

    Do we want an administration as incompetent as the Bushbots appointing political ideologues, rather than competent professionals, to run the thing?

    Do we want a response to health epidemics ran by the same types of people who ran the Katrina response?

    Again, I’m not totally against the idea, and think it could be done well with the right people. But this administration has proven time and again that it couldn’t find the right people with both hands, a GPS unit, and flashing neon signs the size of Cincinnati flashing over those people’s heads.

    Sure, Bush Co. won’t always be in power, and we’ll hopefully have more competent leaders in the not-too-distant future. But what if the new boss is the same as the old boss?

    Then what?

  • Oh yeah, stem cell veto. Thanks Lance and zeitgeist. I must have been cleaning the stems out of my stash when that happened. (Does anyone still call it a stash?)

    And federal health care could be paid for with war money and corruption money.

  • Moses, I think you are the wrong train. Bush & Co. doesn’t want anything to do with it. They sure as hell aren’t going to do anything by try and block it at every turn. So fear not, they most definitely won’t be running it.

    The Dems are the ones pushing universal health care. And of course it’s going to be a mess at first, but like any other program, the kinks get worked out and I think that the Dems are up to it. We are smart enough to actually get people in that know a thing or two about it, no hacks invited.

    Do I want government in my health care ? Fuck no, but I don’t want my employer or HMO or PPO in it either, but they they are. So it’s big insurance or government. One in the same, at least when Uncle Sam get into it, he will be making sure babies get the medicine they need and people won’t have to suffer because they can’t afford to get help. So yes, Moses, I will take that chance.

    Are there really 45M uninsured, that is almost one in six and who knows how many children fall into that number six.

  • At least from what I can define it from up here in Ontario.

    Socialized Medicine is a single payer plan. IE, the gov, pays for a list of basic healthcare items such as doctors appointments, hospital visits, most tests, surgeries, access to X-rays/MRIs etc. The fee structure is decided by the government and health care professionals.

    What it won’t get you is Eye doctors, Dental visits, drugs (seniors have a separate drug plan) and certain operations (such as non medical plastic surgeries.) Also private and semi private rooms.

    Many employers have extra insurance to cover what is not covered by government healthplan.

    It is not perfect, but everyone gets this coverage regardless of income. Yes, there are waiting lines, but not as bad as the right wing rags would claim. Besides, your healthcare system has the same problems as ours (older population, long wait times for certain procedures, sometimes cumbersome bureaucracy) but we don’t have folks losing their house over a hospital visit.

    The healthcare premium in Ontario is $660 a year for me.
    My employer and I share the cost of the supplemental healthcare, but they are slowly choking that off, too.

  • Scott–
    Yes, there are 45 million uninsured Americans. That just ain’t right.

    As to your other points — yes, there will be kinks in any new system. But at what cost? Not sure I’m willing to be a kink that gets ironed worked out when it’s my ability to walk on the line. 🙂

    And while I’d love to think that the Dems are more competent than Bush Co. (how the hell could they not be?)—and am as solidly progressive as one can be—I’m just leery of any politician deciding what is a needed service, what is or is not a covered procedure, and other such matters.

    For me it’s not so much the difference between an “R” or a “D” after the person’s name. It’s the fact they’re a politician, and most of them seem to me to be more worried about the next election above all else.

    It just seems that so very few of them have actual principles (other than my homey Feingold, who pissed in my post-election Corn Flakes by announcing he’s not running for Prez in ’08 … the schmuck).

    I dunno … maybe I’m just jaded and will be proven wrong.

  • Former Dan–
    Thanks for the info.

    I guess I’m thinking more along the lines of total control, rather than the single payer system.

    Is that what the UK has? I ask because my parents have a good friend in Britain who had to wait 8 months for a heart surgery. Granted, it won’t bankrupt him, but that seems a bit long to wait, IMHO.

  • Walmart cares more about their employees then Bush does about Amercian citizens, namely the elderly. ScottW

    Actually, Walmart doesn’t give a damn about their employees or the eldery. They only care about profit. How does lowering prescription drug prices = profit? Glad you asked.

    Walmart attacks competition not in a way that beats them, but in a way that removes them from the market. Their goal was not to just sell more toys than Toys R Us, but to eliminate them. They basically have. Toys R Us is a shell of it’s former self and will likely cease to exist within the next 10 years.

    Walmart’s next target is grocery stores. I see the low priced drugs as an inroad against the grocery stores who have used in-store pharmacists as a draw for years. Walmart will chip away at this until the grocery stores are forced to close up shop.

    Eventually, when Walmart is the only retailer they will leverage the position with the manufacture to maximize profit or raise prices. Either way you get a lower quality product and less choices.

    There is no altruism in Walmart’s drug war.

  • Don’t let the rightwing talking points fool you. Single payer and government run are not the same things. The big question is motive — i.e., which motive should control the healthcare system, the profit motive (like the one we have now) or the get people healthy motive (like the one we could have with the right policies and the political will to make it happen). Healthcare is THE big issue that can separate the Dems from the Repugs. Face it, someone is going to monkey around with your health care … either the insurance companies or govt. I’ll take my chances with government. I at least get a vote for them …. don’t get any vote for my insurance company.

  • “Single payer and government run [health care] are not the same things.” – westcoastwizard

    That is very true. The thing about health care is that you will (almost certainly) get sick and it will (most likely) be worthwhile to make you well. But the Health Care providers would dearly love to have you owe them the rest of your life for making you well (I have a brother-in-law in hospital billing who idly mentions charging $3000 for a blood thinning pill (ONE PILL) which costs the hospital may $100).

    Single payer brings a lot of rationale to that, and everybody has an interest in seeing that the Government doesn’t screw it up.

  • ***Is Bush prepared to veto a measure that lower spending and lower prices for seniors’ medication?***
    ————————————————————CB

    The greater question is: How many Republicans, still having the sensation of their hunger for power whetted by defeat and relegation to minority status in both Houses, will not stand up and override a veto?

    Or are they hungry for more? That “First Tuesday in November ’08” is just around the corner….

  • Be prepared for more spin about how bad universal health plans and price-negotiation are for you.

    From yesterday’ WashPo:
    http://tinyurl.com/uabp4

    In short: in Italy, the govt negotiates drug prices, so drugs are cheap. So, what happens? All the greedy folk start popping pills like there was no tomorrow and, in the long run, cost the govt tons of money.

    Hellooo??? To me all it means is that everyone who *needs* medication *gets* it, instead of trying to triangulate: food this week, rent the next and medication after that. But that’s not how the over-insured view it…

  • You folks should ignore folks like Alberto Mingardi. We have those kind of assholes up here in Canada, too.

    If you see some article or someone using stats from the CD Howe or Frasier Instititue proclaiming European/Canadian style healthcare sucks then ignore it. These are the Canadian equivalents of AEI and Cato.

    They were used as “sources” during the Clinton Healthcare debacle to illustrate the horrors of government healthcare.

  • HOWEVER … do we really want a bunch of primarily out-of-touch fuqtards running our medical system?

    These are called insurance companies, only change running to ruining.

    Do we want them playing politics with our health?

    It couldn’t be worse than some drone playing economics.

    That’s the problem with health insurance: It is a highly for-profit industry. This is why there was so much smoke blowing about malpractice insurance a few years ago. The folks at BC/BS, Aetna, Kaiser etc do not want you to know that the cost of health care has any thing to do with them. Nope, it’s all down to whiny pants bleeding heart liberals suing doctors left and right.

    The same applies to the pharm industry: Remember how they screamed blue murder when people started flocking to Canada for their meds? Even though perhaps half a dozen drug companies in the world make most of our drugs, some how the pills sold north of the border would kill us dead or make us sprout extra limbs from our heads. It had nothing to do with the obscene profits drug producers get from the US. And I guess the Candians are very tough and forgiving to survive and not sue over the radioactive small pox botulism pills Eli Lilly ships up there.

    tAiO

    crk – Yes, that too. I hope they drown.

  • “The greater question is: How many Republicans, still having the sensation of their hunger for power whetted by defeat and relegation to minority status in both Houses, will not stand up and override a veto?” – Steve

    But the Republican’ts are all saying they lost because they were conservative enough 😉

  • ScottW–
    Actually, I live in Missouri (KC to be exact). But I call him my “homie” because he’s the one — and only — politician who I would work for, devote my time to, and vote for without any hesitation whatsoever.

    tAiO–
    Having worked for an insurance company, I know firsthand how they suck ass. My solution — which would never come close to working — is to make them all into non-profits.

    One other thing we all need to consider — any suggested changes that are proposed will not only get pushback from the insurance and pharma industries, but also doctors. I’ve been around medical people my entire life (my mom’s a surgical nurse) and they all like the way the system is set up.

    Sure, some whine about malpractice premiums, but they can’t be all that bad. After all, how many docs do you see driving a used Kia and living in a 2BR, 1BA house in a questionable neighborhood?

  • My issue is Zyprexa which is only FDA approved for schizophrenia (.5-1% of pop) and some bipolar (2% pop) and then an even smaller percentage of theses two groups.
    So how does Zyprexa get to be the 7th largest drug sale in the world?

    Eli Lilly is in deep trouble for using their drug reps to ‘encourage’ doctors to write zyprexa for non-FDA approved ‘off label’ uses.

    The drug causes increased diabetes risk,and medicare picks up all the expensive fallout.There are now 7 states (and counting) going after Lilly for fraud and restitution.


    Daniel Haszard

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