Rick Warren’s pulpit — and Barack Obama’s invitation

Rick Warren is one of those evangelical leaders with more power and influence than they know what to do with. He wrote “The Purpose Driven Life,” which, at last count, had sold 18 gazillion copies. Warren has also created a widely-used congregation-building plan, heads up a 20,000-member megachurch, and unlike some of his brethren, he gives away 90% of his earnings. In Christian circles, he is as big a celebrity as church leaders get.

And now Warren, who has been, by most measures, a conservative evangelical, is facing criticism for inviting a Democrat to address his congregation. Consider Kevin McCullough’s thoughts in a column this week for World Net Daily.

Rick Warren, the best selling author of “The Purpose Driven Life” and senior teaching pastor at Saddleback Church in California, has invited Sen. Barack Obama to speak to the congregation of the faithful on Dec. 1, 2006. In doing so, he has joined himself with one of the smoothest politicians of our times, and also one whose wickedness in worldview contradicts nearly every tenet of the Christian faith that Warren professes.

So the question is “why?”

Why would Warren marry the moral equivalency of his pulpit — a sacred place of honor in evangelical tradition — to the inhumane, sick and sinister evil that Obama has worked for as a legislator?

Now, I suspect most reasonable people would not characterize Obama’s policy perspectives as being burdened by a “sinister evil,” but World Net Daily is not known for publishing restrained criticisms. Indeed, McCullough goes on (and on) to explain that Obama “represents the views of Satan at worst or progressive anti-God liberals at best.” McCullough wants Christians to call Warren and tell him it would be a “sin” to let Obama address the congregation (Obama and Sam Brownback are scheduled to appear together to speak on the AIDS crisis in Africa).

This criticism struck me as interesting for two reasons.

One is probably obvious. For all the talk about how Dems can and should do more to reach out to evangelical Christian audiences, there’s still a sizable (and loud) core of the religious right that will castigate anyone with a progressive worldview as, quite literally, “wicked” and “evil.”

Obama won’t even step foot in the church for another couple of weeks, but the unhinged right is practically apoplectic. For them, it doesn’t matter what Obama says, or believes, or does as a political leader. Indeed, it’s not just Obama — it doesn’t matter what anyone says or does. If they stray from the religious right’s worldview, they’re inherently malevolent.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say this represents a majority of American evangelicals, but in a purely political context, it does suggest Dems have a high hurdle to clear in their outreach efforts.

The other reason I found McCullough’s overheated tirade interesting, though, is that he didn’t just seem to hate Obama; he also seemed afraid of him.

Barack Obama is likely to run for president in 2008, and speaking from the pulpit of one of America’s most well-known evangelical churches is likely to be footage that could be used over and over in trying to dissuade Christians from thinking about moral issues that real Christians truly value. […]

There is definitely something for Barack Obama to gain by appearing in Rick Warren’s pulpit — the implied endorsement and blessing for the 2008 presidential race. There is definitely something for Rick Warren to gain in promoting Obama and giving him time behind the altar of God’s word — power and access to a future heavyweight contender for the highest office in the land.

Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but it’s almost as if McCullough believes Obama will not only reach out to Christian evangelicals, but that Christian evangelicals might like him.

McCullough, I suspect, doesn’t just want to see Obama steer clear of Warren’s pulpit because he perceives it as some kind of blasphemy, but also because he fears that Obama’s message will be persuasive and inspirational. The religious right has to stick with the GOP, the theory goes, so why invite a charming and articulate Democrat to the pulpit of one of the nation’s leading megachurches?

We’ll have plenty of time to debate the relative merits of Obama’s presidential ambitions, if he chooses to run, in the months to come, but in the meantime, I hope he does throw his hat into the ring — if for no other reason, because I think he makes the far-right very nervous.

Damn. Two years in office and I still haven’t gotten a clear picture of what Obama believes in, yet McCullough is already sure that whatever it is must be pure evil. The one thing I do know from votes like the bankruptcy bill and rhetoric about Democrats’ need to act more religious: Obama is not a traditional progressive.

  • I don’t think it is just Obama. Anyone who realizes that you can reach True Christians by bypassing the filter of the Theocratic Reactionaries is as much a danger. And note that McCullough isn’t attacking Obama, he is defining him as evil. McCullough is attacking Rick Warren in the hopes that he can change Rich Warren’s decision. Don’t let the heated references to Obama confuse the issue. The sin here is allowing someone McCullough wants quarenteed to obtain access to 20,000 mega church members and by implication all the others who might be effected by him.

    Jesus went into the desert for forty days and he listened to the devil. Apparantly McCullough is afraid that evangelicals can’t listen to a man for one day.

  • … trying to dissuade Christians from thinking about moral issues that real Christians truly value.

    So “real” Christians don’t value progressive beliefs like helping the poor, not starting wars, and treating everyone with kindness?

    You mean they follow the GOP beliefs of making the rich richer, killing tens of thousands of innocent people for no reason whatsoever, and only treating with kindness those who look the same as you do?

    Wow … I really should’ve paid more attention during Sunday school, because I obviously missed something.

  • It sickens me that the Religious Right can make a judgement about a man simply based on his political affiliation….what does the bible say about judging

    .” When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, Let me take the speck out of your eye when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

    So McCullough Mr Holier than thou is literally abondoning the word of God to push a political party that has covered up the behavior of a pedophile for years, that has raided and stole from the national tresury in the form of Iraq War reconstuction fraud, started a war based on false pretenses, and has been engulfed in the worst pay for play bribery corruption schemes in the history of politics…(Abramoff)….and he has the gall to JUDGE Obama who to date has an unblemished record of political service…..puh-leeze..

    You are right the Evangelical powers that be know that the Repub party butters their bread if the flock believes that DEMS provide a better and more chrisitian approach to governance people like McCullough would lose a huge amount of power and influence and end up on the outside looking in….how this blatently hypocritical behavior can be viewed as Christian is beyond me

  • Good point about the fear of listening, Lance. It’s a fear Bush seems to share. Maybe their faith in what they’re doing is so fragile they have to maintain insularity. Certainty is an affectation of the intellectually cowardly.

  • I think there’s an obvious racial unerpinning involved as well. Bad enough he’s a satanic lefty…but “colored” to boot?

    Umm….satan?

  • Maybe their faith in what they’re doing is so fragile they have to maintain insularity

    It sure seems so and that is a characteristic of cults. Denial of science, logic , and reality in general is hard to sustain.

  • McCullough probably remembers Bill Clinton’s success in speaking from the pulpit.

    I dispute the assertion that pulpits are a place of “moral equivalency”. Equivalent to what? An unerring moral compass?

    Bullshit.

  • “represents the views of Satan at worst or progressive anti-God liberals at best.”

    Kevin thinks anti-God liberals are better than Satan! I’ll roast his chestnuts good!

  • A message for McCullogh:

    We think having faith means being convinced God exists in the same way we are convinced a chair exists. People who cannot be completely convinced of God’s existence think faith is impossible for them. Not so. People who doubt can have great faith because faith is something you do, not something you think. In fact, the greater your doubt the more heroic your faith. ~reallivepreacher.com

    and

    Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded faith. ~Thomas Jefferson

  • My god! McCullough’s article was so caustic I couldn’t get through it even skimming! So much hatred, fear and self-righteousness in one man. It’s a wonder his head doesn’t explode. Someone needs to get laid. And then take some horse tranquilizers.

  • To me, the rhetoric smacks a bit of the Barack-as-anti-Christ meme I’ve seen in some of the Christian right’s darker corners. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the “smoothest politician of our times” talk is a dog whistle for Evangelicals in that regard.

  • “Good point about the fear of listening, Lance. It’s a fear Bush seems to share.” – Dale

    Quite true. Rather than ask Democrats, progressives or liberals what their views are, he asks his staff what the views of Democrats, progressives or liberals are.

    Is it any surprise then he gets such weird strawman arguments?

    Boy George II thinks listening to two sides of an issue is to listen to his staff, than listen to his staff lie about his opponents.

    He gets that from Faux News.

  • ***If they stray from the religious right’s worldview, they’re inherently malevolent.***

    Rumor has it that, some two thousand years ago, a fairly decent carpenter from the ‘burbs (Nazareth) wandered into the big city (Jerusalem). At first, the people loved this guy—until the “religious right” that held sway in that timeframe decided that the carpenter was “evil.” I seem to remember that the carpenter found himself renounced, scourged, taunted, and even murdered—but he still won the day. So I wouldn’t be too worried about the sadjucee-, pharisee-, and scribe-wanna-be types at World Net Daily. These days, I understand that the holes in their “net” are big enough to sail a cruise-ship through.

    In other words: “They’re pissed at the world, ’cause they ain’t catchin’ any fish….”

  • It was the pulpits of churches where much of the strength of the Civil Rights movement arose from. Rightists fought to regain control of that high ground and fear the thought of losing it to anyone who doesn’t lick St. Ronnie’s ass in the benediction.

    Remember, the GOP can only win by division, with every last member of its base motivated. They cannot win without moral wedge issues, so even undercutting 2% of its evangelical base is a loss it can’t afford.

    So, yeah, Obama is the devil, because he’s just another Dem with the capacity to make life as a Republican officeseeker hell.

    Abortion and gays are the two commandments foor strictly political reasons, and anyone pushing the other ten will draw denunciations from the immoral rightists and their media handmaidens.

  • beep52 (#12): ” It’s a wonder his head doesn’t explode.”

    This may be the most compelling reason ever to nominate Obama. If it means I get to see Republinuts heads explode. Seriously.

    Lance (#2), I get your point that the real attack is on Warren, not Obama, but I do think part of this is that McCullough realizes Obama is a dynamic speaker. It is not just any non-winger. It is a non-winger who is a gifted orator.

  • It seems the religious right has come full circle. Folks like McCullough, there’s a biblical term for him, and it’s Pharisee. They were the ideological opponents of Jesus. Rather than seek out sinners they scorn them. Rather than preach love and inclusiveness, they demonize political opponents, even when their targets also follow Jesus.

  • “Lance (#2), I get your point that the real attack is on Warren, not Obama, but I do think part of this is that McCullough realizes Obama is a dynamic speaker. It is not just any non-winger. It is a non-winger who is a gifted orator. ” – Zeitgeist

    Well, gifted or not, the willingness to march to the pulpit of a evangelical church and remind them of the teachings of their own savior is probably what is frightening here for McCullough.

  • With that level of vitriol being spewed, I hope security is airtight when Obama is there.

    Just saying.

  • And for the scripturally literate among us, Ephesians 5:11 says, “Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.”

    So I guess he’s for investigating the Bush/Cheney regime?

  • I’ll bet McCullough is worried sick that the folks at Warren’s church will listen to Obama and be persuaded by him… which will help in making McCullough himself irrelevant.

    Boo-hoo. Not.

  • “In doing so, he, (Warren), has joined himself with one of the smoothest politicians of our times…” – McCullough

    “The other reason I found McCullough’s overheated tirade interesting, though, is that he didn’t just seem to hate Obama; he also seemed afraid of him.” – Mr. CB

    Religious shysters are some of the smoothest operators on the planet and they would know a smoothy when they see one. McCullough is right to be nervous. Obama’s got his number, great style and a sweet, upcoming pulpit from which to woo the flock. Can Barak sing? If he can lead the congregation in a hymn, McCullough will pass out. Praise the lord.

  • My, My My Lord; My Sweet Lord. George had it. Spirituality is the way to go.

  • Some excellent posts and observations. I only have two:

    1. Anyone else notice that McCullough repeatedly refers to it as “Warren’s Church”? Actually, I think that the point is for it to be God’s Church or, more specifically, Jesus Christ’s Church. And, as many of you have observed technically should be welcome to his rules, not Warren’s – and certainly not McCullough’s. Love thy neighbor, Judge not, treat the alien as one would one’s own family, etc. all apply.

    2. Although Jesus repeatedly warned us aboug passing moral judgements – particularly using ourself as a yard stick (the theme occurs not only in the Tax Collector and the Pharisee, but other parables (like the Prodigal son) as well) – it is a difficult sin to bypass. I myself cannot help but think that Mr. McCullough is not only a bad Christain, I am also convinced that the head shot at the top of his article is pedophile and sexual predator Mark Foley’s grin super imposed on Rush Limbaugh’s flacid penis…

    -jjf

  • I lost my post because I entered the answer to the question and then clicked preview. When I made som edit changes and then went to post the comment, it sent me to a page that said “Answer the Question”.
    1) I had already answered the question.
    2) The browser back button left me on the same page, (“Answer the Question”) so I was stuck.
    3) I had not heeded the advice at the bottom, so I didn’t copy the post before clicking a button.
    4) I’m not going to try to recapture my post from scratch … it was pretty good and trying to RE_DO just never works.
    5) I’m a software engineer who works on web applications, so I know that someone can make the software more forgiving. Please do!
    My comment was about the need of some poeple (believers) for an authority structure, and their terror about the lack of it.

  • Every time I read or hear of a criticism by a right-winger it comes in the form of: “liberals think…”, “Muslims think…”, or evil people think (as is implied in this case). Just how do they know what everyone else is thinking? Are they mind readers????

  • Yes!!!! This article proves the wingnuts are terrified of Obama and salivating to run against Hillary. And yes, the “inexperienced” line is about as weak as it gets. Keep bringin it swiftboaters, but you’re going to have to go to the hole a lot stronger than that if you want to derail this locomotive! Obama is clearly one of the most educated, thoughtful, and gifted politicians of this generation. What scares them is that he has the potential, and is in fact already demonstrating, the ability to inspire independents and even many Republicans who are tired of this insane, hateful political discourse. When exactly did it become cool to be a total blowhard asshole like Limbaugh, Liddy, Hannity, or Coulter?

  • McCullough is correct in his assessment that it is wrong for Warren to allow Obama to speak from the pulpit. There are plenty of Christians who would listen politely and intently to Obama, but not from the same place that we receieve divine instruction from a God-ordained spiritual leader of our church. Obama holds opinions and embraces practices that are in direct contradiction to Christ’s teachings. The santuary is a sacred place and needs to be respescted as such. Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple because it wasn’t the proper place for that sort of activity. Obama’s teachings are so against what the Bible teaches about sex, marriage, relationships, etc. that he does not deserve the credibility and moral authority that speaking from the pulpit would automatically give him – especially when it’s the pulpit of such a large church that is led by a man who truly is a follower of Christ. We can only pray that Warren will realize what a grave mistake he is making and hope that he remembers the teaching about the false prophet because that is what Obama is to a Bible-believing follower of Christ. However, everyone makes mistakes, even great men of God. I just hope that if Warren continues with this that it will not be such a mistake as to weaken his position as a leader of our faith. Warren could change the invitation to allow Obama to speak in the fellowship hall or at a church event at a community center. This would allow Obama to present his views without the appearance of having the blessing of the church.

  • Barack Obama is bought & paid for already. Anyone who ignores the fact Obama just recently was caught having his new house & property paid for by one of the richest real estate developers in the United States ought to have their head examined.

  • “And Barak said to her (Deborah) ‘if you do not go with me, I will not go; but if you go with me, I will go” (Judges 4:8)

    Which is why I think the Barak-Hillary ticket is the best for the US. i am an evangelical, and I strongly disagree with obama’s support of abortion. Aside from that, I think he is the best presidential materialSearch the scriptures and see! This was a critical period in the history of the people of God. There was a great moral/spiritual crisis and the canannites were terrorising them. Sisera (nay Osama Bin Laden), the general of the Cannanite army, was particularly a deadly fellow. Barak came from obscurity, and together with the experience and motivation of a woman, was instrumental to a monumental victory over the adversaries and a great spiritual rebirth.

    Take note of it. God’s word is timeless, for it was also true that certain mainstream tribes, like Ruben and Asher arrogantly refused to yield to the call of Barak, who was considered to be from a 2nd class tribe of Naphthali. Yet with him and Deborah God’s people regained their destiny and greatness in the comity of nations. Read Judges 4 and 5! Is the biblical name Barak merely a coincidence?

    As for the fellows who said Obama is antichrist, I am not surprised. The pharisees accused the lord Jesus of being inspired by the devil Baalzebub, and elsewhere they said he was a bloody liberal glutton and winebiber (Luke 11:15; Luke 7;33-35), but wisdom is justified by his children!

    Seun
    An evangelical Christian.

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