‘Top-Secret Torture’

This came up a couple of weeks ago, but the news was initially reported on the Saturday before the election, so it was largely lost in the shuffle. The WaPo had an editorial on the subject today, which is as good a reason as any to revisit the issue.

Buried within a recent government brief in the case of Guantanamo Bay inmate Majid Khan is one of the more disturbing arguments the Bush administration has advanced in the legal struggles surrounding the war on terrorism. Mr. Khan was one of the al-Qaeda suspects who was detained in a secret prison of the CIA and subjected to “alternative” interrogation tactics — the administration’s chilling phrase for methods most people regard as torture.

Now the government is arguing that by subjecting detainees to such treatment, the CIA gives them “top secret” classified information — and the government can then take extraordinary measures to keep them quiet about it. If this argument carries the day, it will make virtually impossible any accountability for the administration’s treatment of top al-Qaeda detainees. And it will also ensure that key parts of any military trials get litigated in secrecy.

I’m fairly certain that’s the point.

It’s as clear a through-the-looking-glass argument as the Bush administration has ever offered. Khan was one of 14 high-value detainees transferred in September from a secret CIA “black” prison to Guantanamo Bay. A lawyer with the Center for Constitutional Rights, which represents many detainees at Guantanamo, is seeking emergency access to him, but the administration is denying access — arguing that the tortured detainee might talk about the abusive interrogation techniques, and thereby divulge a national security secret.

In other words, by torturing someone, administration officials are inadvertently sharing state secrets (i.e., the “alternative” interrogation methods themselves). Therefore, the Bush gang believes they have the power to torture suspects and the power to stop detainees from talking about it, even after the suspect has been released.

Joseph Margulies, a Northwestern University law professor who has represented several detainees at Guantanamo, said the prisoners “can’t even say what our government did to these guys to elicit the statements that are the basis for them being held. Kafka-esque doesn’t do it justice. This is ‘Alice in Wonderland.’ ”

As the WaPo editorial put it:

The trouble is that at least some of the secrets the government is trying to protect are the very techniques used against people such as Mr. Khan — and its means of protecting them is to muzzle him about what the CIA did to him. CIA official Marilyn A. Dorn said in an affidavit that Mr. Khan might reveal “the conditions of detention and specific alternative interrogation procedures.” In other words, grossly mistreating a detainee now justifies keeping him quiet.

The problem with this argument is not just its Kafkaesque sheen. If the courts accept it, it would have vast practical implications. The integrity of any military trials of the high-value detainees will depend on their excluding evidence obtained by unduly coercive means. By the logic of the government’s argument, however, all of that litigation will have to take place in secret. Detainees are also supposed to be able to appeal their status as enemy combatants to the federal appeals court here in Washington. The government’s logic would all but assure that the bulk of any such appeal would be secret as well. So accepting this theory would mean that no claim of torture could be resolved in a transparent and accountable fashion. Given the importance of open trials for the high-value detainees, it’s hard to imagine a principle that would more thwart the effort to bring them credibly to justice.

Kleiman called this approach “brutally insane.” Given the circumstances, I can’t think of a better description.

Ultimately, I think Rege had the right idea: “I think the torturers should be prosecuted for releasing classified information to unauthorized persons.”

I agree with Rege, which means to avoid prosecution, interrogators will have to put the detainees on the payroll, give them classified rankings, and then and only then, torture them. Oh yay, I’ve always believed the best road to democratic ideals is through some good ol’fashion torture. I guess the Bush Administration sees it the same way. These WH occupants are monsters. Have they no decency? -Kevo

  • “I think the torturers should be prosecuted for releasing classified information to unauthorized persons.”

    That’s not just poetic justice. It actually makes sense (or at least as much sense as anything coming out of the Administration). If you accept the argument that the victims of torture can’t talk about it without revealing “secret” information, then it necessarily follows that those who tortured them revealed secret information to them, contrary to law. By all means, prosecute the torturers for so doing.

  • The Bushite mind is a scary thing. They have taken the greatest country in the world and through manipulation of elections, the constitution, our laws and our government that have destroyed the peace of the world and the confidence of the American People. They have trampled on our honor and our reputation and achieved exactly NONE of their own goals.

    And for this they have branded the majority of the American people traitors and fools while ignoring the accountability they own for their own bottomless incompetence.

    They have drained the lubricant of American Society, which is Trust, and tossed it out, and they are surprised the engine now screams like tortured metal?

    Satan is building a special part of Hell to keep his future Bushite visitors.

  • I’m failing to see the logic here. There’s a been a steady drip of leaks about our “alternative interrogation methods.” We already know there’s the “no brainer” of waterboarding, beatings, intimidation with dogs, urinating on the Koran, sleep deprivation, exposure to excessive heat and cold, exposure to excessive or constant noise, female interrogators’ strip-teasing, etc.

    All of this has made it’s way to the media in one form or another. Are we expected to believe that Al Qaeda hasn’t taken note of these items and adjusted their methods accordingly? I think it’s a safe assumption that anyone involved in terrorist plots knows that if they’re captured by Americans or their “allies” they can expect some truly horrible treatment.

  • As so often happens matters of principle are played out with the worst villains as victims which muddies the waters.

    But when you substitute “suspect” for villian the waters run clear again. That’s one of the many insidious features of the war on terra. Bush wants us to equate “detainee” with “convicted terrorist.”

    I read this article and one thing it doesn’t touch on is how they keep detainees quiet after the fact. There are only two ways to be absolutely sure they never “release classified information:” Keep them locked up forever or kill them.

    Guilt or innocence, right or wrong are irrelevant, just don’t talk bad about the prezint!

  • brainiac: “All of this has made it’s way to the media in one form or another. Are we expected to believe that Al Qaeda hasn’t taken note of these items and adjusted their methods accordingly?”

    One would suppose that the idea is to prevent the bad guys from learning about still more techniques to which they can adapt.

    Frankly, it seems like the best techniques are those that cannot be resisted, regardless of training. This usually targets the reptile brain, like sleep deprivation. It’s either that or using Mission: Impossible-style ruses that work only once.

    Hey! Let’s just slap interrogatees with a permanent SPOILER ALERT!

  • If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say this or that even, it never happened—that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death …

    And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. “Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”

    **shudder**

  • Since John Yoo presumably has an appropriate classified ranking, the use of “alternative” interrogation tactics on him would not violate bans on dissemination of classified information.

    Hmmmmmm……..

  • From the Progressive Mag: “On November 9, the CIA responded to the ACLU, saying that it had found “one document responsive” to that particular request. It identified the document as “a memorandum from President Bush to the Director of the CIA.” But it did not release the document, claiming exemptions under the NSA Act of 1947 and the CIA Act of 1949 and citing “presidential communications, deliberative process, and attorney-client privileges.”

    The fact that the document exists doesn’t surprise anyone, but now that the CIA has admitted it exists, we should move heaven and earth to subpoena Hayden. Let the Dem-led intelligence committee see it and comment on it. It could be basis for impeachment.

  • Forgot to add: the document mentioned above is Bush’s personal order to commission black prisons overseas.

  • “female interrogators’ strip-teasing’ – brainiac

    Amusing considering that some of the 9/11/01 highjackers visited a strip club the night before.

  • Uh-oh. I just found some “top secret” classified information on the internets:

    Waterboarding

    I find it strange, too, that we consider techniques from the Middle Ages to be “top secret” here in ’06. But then again, looking at Medieval thinking is the best way to understand how Cheney/Bush go about governing.

  • Satan is building a special part of Hell to keep his future Bushite visitors. — Lance, @4

    Without any chance of progress (purgatory) and in classified location. For that matter, I’m not sure that you should have leaked the news of the program itself, Lance; that’s probably classified info too.

    Seriously though. One of the bones I have to pick with this admin is not just that they eff-up everything they touch. And it’s not even *just* the secrecy in which they enshroud every piece of info, no matter how banal and ovious (“Mr President, what are the toilets like in the Oval Office? Priviledged info, son”).

    It’s that this attitude has now spilled to everyone and everything. “Just say no” seems to be applied to every attempt to sort things out.

  • Libra are you attempting to suggest that Satan is going to need an add-on to his special part of hell because other people are practicing Bushitism?

    That might well be true.

  • I just had to write a paper for a class that stated that Guantanamo Bay was a concentration camp. I’m not sure I really believed what I was saying until I finished writing the paper. I believed that we were doing horribly unethical things, and we were surely decimating human rights, but a concentration camp seems to be a big claim. But I compared Guantanamo Bay to the camps described in the works or Giorgio Agamben- if you haven’t read some of his ideas, and are interested in how bad Guantanamo Bay really is, you should. Anyway, Agamben claims that a camp occurs when a government takes away the rights of a citizen. That is not really surprising, but the way a state does it is incredibly interesting. A state takes away the rights of human beings by creating a “permanent state of exception.” In other words by creating an endless War on Terrorism you can make all these crazy rules because of the exceptional state of emergency you have declared. Agamben makes such claims as, “The state of exception thus ceases to be referred to as an external and provisional state of factual danger and comes to be confused with juridical rule itself.” And, “The camp is the space that is opened when the state of exception begins to become the rule.” And, “The camp is a piece of land placed outside the normal juridical order, but it is nevertheless not simply an external space.” In other words, Guantanamo Bay is a physical space that exists outside of any normal US law; and in that space, because we are permanently at war with terrorism, we can create any law to win that war. I’m not explaining this very well here, but the administration’s argument makes sense because it doesn’t make any sense.

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