‘I don’t know what could help at this point’

When it comes to an escalation in Iraq, the public is against it, the Joint Chiefs of Staff are reportedly against it, and many of the troops themselves don’t seem too keen on the idea either.

Many of the American soldiers trying to quell sectarian killings in Baghdad don’t appear to be looking for reinforcements. They say the temporary surge in troop levels some people are calling for is a bad idea.

President Bush is considering increasing the number of troops in Iraq and embedding more U.S. advisers in Iraqi units. White House advisers have indicated Bush will announce his new plan for the war before his State of the Union address Jan. 23.

In dozens of interviews with soldiers of the Army’s 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment as they patrolled the streets of eastern Baghdad, many said the Iraqi capital is embroiled in civil warfare between majority Shiite Muslims and Sunni Arabs that no number of American troops can stop.

Spc. Don Roberts told the AP, “I don’t know what could help at this point….. What would more guys do? We can’t pick sides. It’s almost like we have to watch them kill each other, then ask questions.”

Sgt. Josh Keim, who is on his second tour in Iraq, said, “Nothing’s going to help. It’s a religious war, and we’re caught in the middle of it. It’s hard to be somewhere where there’s no mission and we just drive around.”

Sgt. Justin Thompson added that a troop surge is “not going to stop the hatred between Shia and Sunni.” Thompson, whose 4-year contract was involuntarily extended in June, added, “This is a civil war, and we’re just making things worse. We’re losing. I’m not afraid to say it.”

Now, these are comments from one battalion, not a poll with a random sample, so it’s difficult to say with any certainty that “the troops are against escalation plans.”

That said, a) kudos to the AP for getting so many soldiers’ perspectives; and b) how, exactly, do the remaining supporters of the war dismiss the opinions of the Army’s 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, patrolling the streets of Baghdad? Cut-and-runners? Defeatocrats? Surrender monkeys?

And as long as we’re on the subject of escalation, it was surprising to learn that new Defense Secretary Robert Gates apparently has some concerns of his own.

With President Bush leaning toward sending more soldiers to pacify Iraq, his defense secretary is privately opposing the buildup.

According to two administration officials who asked not to be named, Robert Gates expressed his skepticism about a troop surge in Iraq on his first day on the job, December 18, at a Pentagon meeting with civilians who oversee the Air Force, Army, Navy, and Marines.

The view of the new defense secretary appears to be at odds with the leanings of Mr. Bush, who is expected to announce a new troop surge when he unveils his new war strategy next month.

I hate to sound picky, but isn’t this the kind of story that the media should pick up on? A highly controversial policy move in the midst of a highly controversial war has divided the president and his Pentagon chief. Shouldn’t this, you know, spark a few questions?

As Josh Marshall put it, “Where is [Gates] on this? Is he going along with a policy that the last year of study of the situation has actually convinced him is bound to fail? Is he silently trying to upend the policy from the inside? Certainly the Post and Times reporters can tell us more on this, right?”

It’d be nice….

A hard-core drug addict in freefall toward rock-bottom only cares about his next fix. Troop surge equals Drug Fix. The skulls of the dead are as individual grains of cocaine to Bush. He just needs his next rush to get him through the State of the Union speech. The world be damned. Screw next week. It’s all about the fix- now.

  • “Drug addict” or Commander-in-Chief, delegated as the sole person controlling our military by the U.S. Constitution? YOU decide. Saddam’s execution should at least provide a great sound bite for said State of the Union address.

  • In dozens of interviews with soldiers of the Army’s 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment as they patrolled the streets of eastern Baghdad, many said the Iraqi capital is embroiled in civil warfare between majority Shiite Muslims and Sunni Arabs that no number of American troops can stop.

    Whoa, wasn’t there a fake quote from a marine we saw some conservative blog reported the other day that said that all the soldiers think they need is a few more thousand soldiers in Iraq?

    Sgt. Josh Keim, who is on his second tour in Iraq, said, “Nothing’s going to help. It’s a religious war, and we’re caught in the middle of it. It’s hard to be somewhere where there’s no mission and we just drive around.”

    Funny, I thought the press secretary said a little while ago that they’re not just getting shot at over there, they’re on missions. Seems the soldiers feel differently.

  • I think you nailed it, Haik Bedrosian (#1). Commander Codpiece needs a fix, needs it now, and to hell with the consquences. Pretty much describes the miserable SOB’s life, doesn’t it?

  • I just hope the US military in Iraq doesn’t turn into Xenophon’s Ten Thousand.

    “Nothing’s going to help. It’s a religious war, and we’re caught in the middle of it. It’s hard to be somewhere where there’s no mission and we just drive around.”

    There’s nothing that can really top that comment.

  • What the troops think doesn’t matter. What you think doesn’t matter. Those who have Bush’s ear want a permanent American presence in Iraq, and they are by no means convinced that is a lost cause. Everything Bush invaded Iraq to get done has been done, and yet the troops hang on, new justifications for their continued presence fabricated daily.

    This should not be unexpected from somebody who regularly insists, in the face of experience and sound advice, that he’s “gotta go with his gut”. Would that be the same gut that has guided you through the abyssmal failure of every business venture you’ve ever attempted, Mr. President? The same gut that consistently causes you to rule in your own self-interest and those of your cronies?Mmm hmm, that’s what I thought.

  • I don’t think the comments of these soldiers are anything but a good solid representative sample. The reporter could have gone to any unit in Baghdad and heard similar statements. If you read the GI blogs, and the vet’s blogs, these sort of comments are all over the place. My old comrade Tom Barton, who was one of the original staff of “Vietnam GI”, the first GI-run antiwar underground newspaper, now runs “Traveling Soldier” and the e-mail commentary he gets every day is overwhelmingly like this. Iraq Veterans Against The War is already more active than Vietnam Veterans Against The War was. It doesn’t surprise me – a volunteer army is going to be an overall more intelligent army than a conscript army, and it doesn’t matter if 500 million people swear on a stack of bibles reaching to the moon that dog kibble is steak, dog kibble is still going to be dog kibble, and those being asked to eat it will recognize it as such. Maybe the Trade School Boys of the officer corps can bullshit themselves the way good little Republican corporate cogs are supposed to and shout “Steak! Tastes good!” as they scarf their kibble, but they too are still eating kibble.

  • Putting additional troops into Baghdad—the urban equivalent of the Teutoburg Forest—does nothing for the US military presence in Iraq but to increase the probability that at some point in the foreseeable future, people are going to be decrying Bush with the 21st-century version of “Quintili Vare, legiones redde!”

    The Green Zone, regardless of its defensive fortifications, is nothing more that a great big bunker without a roof. Anything that is of S2S function—surface to surface—can get in there. A serious effort by the Iraqi factions could effectively cut this entire force off from its sole line of supply and withdrawal (the airport). Helicopters are useless except at low level—at which point, they can easily be shot from the skies. Tanks are meaningless in narrow streets, and the Abrams has the same hallmark weaknesses as the dreaded Tiger of Hitler’s Germany: They’re soft in the backside, and a hit where the main gun meets the turret is a sure-fire “kill” shot (damned easy to make from a rooftop, when the blasted tank is directly beneath you). We already know how good the Hummers hold up (paper mache armor), and the group transport vehicles are no better.

    So here’s a rousing “Quintili Vare, legiones redde!” to Georgie and his “surge….”

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