Edwards defines the ‘McCain doctrine’

I neglected to mention this yesterday, but it’s still worth noting that [tag]John Edwards[/tag] has crafted exactly the right frame of the president’s escalation plan for Iraq. It’s time to start calling it the “McCain doctrine.”

Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards, targeting a potential Republican rival in 2008, dubbed plans for a short-term U.S. troop increase in Iraq “the [tag]McCain doctrine[/tag],” in an interview aired on Sunday.

Sen. John McCain of Arizona, considered likely to be a Republican candidate for president, has been “the most prominent spokesperson for this for some time,” Edwards said in an early salvo of the 2008 campaign.

Edwards, a former senator who was the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2004, made his remarks in an interview on the ABC News program “This Week.”

“I actually, myself, believe that this idea of surging troops, escalating the war — what Senator McCain has been talking about — what I would call now the McCain doctrine … (is) dead wrong,” said Edwards.

Quite right. The war in Iraq has already ruined Bush’s presidency; there’s no need to pile on by tying escalation to the White House. It’s John McCain who’s been pushing for this escalation for years, and it’s his pressure on Bush that appears to be having an effect.

With this in mind, Edwards is obviously right to tie McCain to his own idea. In late November, McCain insisted that “we will not win this war” without additional combat forces in Iraq. Maybe he meant it, maybe it was a calculated strategy whereby McCain could separate himself from Bush’s failed policy by calling for additional troops he didn’t expect the president to send. (Robert Reich suggested it’s a way for McCain to “effectively cover his ass. It will allow him to say, ‘If the President did what I urged him to do, none of this would have happened.'”)

But now that it appears that it will happen, it’s time to put the “McCain doctrine” to public scrutiny. It’s obvious but brilliant: if the public rejects the idea of an escalation (and they do), it’s best to remind them of the idea’s biggest champion, who just so happens to be the leading 2008 presidential candidate.

We can only hope other Dems pick up on Edwards’ very clever frame.

On a related note, the Keith Olbermann commentary, mentioned earlier, included some particularly poignant remarks about the senator from Arizona.

John McCain may still hear the applause of small crowds — he has somehow inured himself to the hypocrisy, and the tragedy, of a man who considers himself the ultimate realist, courting the votes of those who support the government telling visitors to the Grand Canyon that it was caused by the Great Flood.

That Mr. McCain is selling himself off to the irrational right, parcel by parcel, like some great landowner facing bankruptcy, seems to be obvious to everybody but himself.

Or, maybe it is obvious to him and he simply no longer cares.

The war has forever bankrupted one presidency, and if there’s any justice, it may do the same to one leading presidential campaign.

I neglected to mention this yesterday, but it’s still worth noting that John Edwards has crafted exactly the right frame of the president’s escalation plan for Iraq. It’s time to start calling it the “McCain doctrine.”

Hear, hear. The wronger it turns out the more you’ll be able to lay it at the Senator’s feet when the time comes.

  • John Edwards knows a lot about poverty, after all, he’s helped throw a lot of people into it with:

    – his co-sponsorship of H-1b visas,

    – his support for illegal aliens,

    – his vote for MFN-China

    but what about stuff like iraq war and the patriot act?

    well, he voted for them too

    About the only think you can say for Edwards is, he spent so much time running for president that he didnt have time to do more damage as senator

    You’ve got to ask yourself – ‘what did he do, with the power he had, when he had it?

  • Olbermann’s comment last night aimed at McCan’t was quite amusing too, but was so sunk beneath the truths aimed at Boy George II I had time for only passing admiration.

    Sorry Andy, I don’t think anything on your list is a deal breaker compared to the sorry record of the Republican’ts.

  • If Edwards would read the Carpetbagger more, he would have picked up on a troop increase of 20-30,000 was already designated a “McCain”.

    I have a feeling that if the escalation happens that Olberman will tie it to McCain and it will be the tipping point in awareness of all of McCain’s flipflops and “presenting” to the Reich. New slogan for the Religious Reich, “I Like Eich”

  • It’s a brilliant frame. The war is Bush’s legacy, and most Americans have come to their conclusions about that. This spreads responsibility to his heir apparent. To the degree that it paints the early GOP favorite as staunchly pro-war, it’s clever.
    But it spreads from there. It’s the GOP’s war. They ordered it and rubber stamped every dreadful step down the road to the present debacle.

    So now it gets interesting. Will any of the GOP hopefuls for ’08 come out for an end to the war? That could make their primaries quite a drama. The yahoos who still support this war are almost exclusively republican. Steve Clemons once characterized this group as, “ America! Fuck yeah!
    It’s probably suicide for a GOP candidate to oppose the war in the primaries. It’s equally suicidal to not oppose it in the generals. It’s a lovely position for the GOP.

  • lance,

    i’ve never understood why anyone who criticizes a democrat must automatically defend the republicans

    i’ve never voted republican, not once, not ever

    but if we have to remain silent when democrats sell us out, we’re screwed

  • Edwards’ remarks were quite savvy. He made sure to tie the term surge to an escalation of the conflict and by calling it a doctrine he carved McCain’s words into stone. If McCain modifes his comments even slightly he’ s a flip-flopper, liar, heretic or BS artist (not that he doesn’t qualify for those titles already.) He’s also trying what will be Bush’s actions to the plans of a former political rival that a good portion of the Repub party doesn’t trust. In just a single sentence, Edwards gained control of the debate for the Democrats and put the Repubs on the defensive. Very smart.

  • Andy F,

    but if we have to remain silent when democrats sell us out..

    Firstly, I can’t speak for Lance, but when I read your criticism of Edwards I thought to myself “great, let the circular firing squad begin”. Do you see the problem with that?

    Secondly, since you did not suggest a preferred candidate, how were we supposed to know you have never voted for a Republican?

    Thirdly, may I suggest that you are letting perfect be the enemy of good enough? Yes, Edwards may not be perfect. But as Lance stated, he’s way better than any of the likely Republican’t nominees.

    Finally, I support Wesley Clark. I think either Edwards or Obama would be a great running mate for Clark.

  • Andy F –

    I’m certainly not thrilled with Edwards’ votes for the Patriot Act or the Iraq war – in fact, I’m not sure which of those I like less. Loss of civil liberties/trashing of the Constitution vs. 3,000 (and counting) dead American soldiers (plus how many thousands of critically wounded).

    The other issues though I think are a lot dicier and while subject to inquiry for certain, I’m not ready to be critical of him in that regard. I’m not sure exactly what your criticisms of him are in those area (you only mention the votes, not why you’re opposed to them) and I defer to your representation that he actually made those votes. Immigration policy is very complex and so are our relations with China, so boiling them down to one vote on one issue is perhaps unfair.

    I do agree with you that I have no problem criticizing Dems for their shortcomings. I hope that is one important difference between people on this side of the spectrum and the koolaid drinkers on the right. Speaking for myself, I am willing to listen to ideas that may clash with my own and hear them out rather than simply trashing the messenger. In that spirit, I’d like to hear/learn more about Edwards and will be listening and following his campaign closely.

  • So we add 20-30 thousand more troops, what about the 7000 Brittan is pulling out in 2007 ?? I keep asking and no one is answering. If they pull out, our great surge might be only 13 thousand troops, then take out the wounded and you are talking about a great surge of 10,000 troops.

  • Homer,

    I do agree with you that I have no problem criticizing Dems for their shortcomings.

    I’m okay with this too, during the primaries. However, after we’ve elected a nominee, can we rally behind him/her?

    Also, FWIW, my preference would be, especially at this early stage, for each of us to talk about the positives of the candidate we prefer rather than the negatives of the candidate(s) we don’t like. Does that make sense?

  • homer,

    my point about those votes is that they are globalism, h-1b being a particualry nasty form of it

    there’s no way you can be for the stomping of workers with wage suppression (which edwards most definiately was), and against poverty

    it’s my opinion that the 2 parties have become little more than a good cop/bad cop routine on the middle class

    and yes, refusing to criticize the democrats on this enables it

    even republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) saw the truth of the h-1b bill edwards co-sponsored

    ‘We do not need to import people into this country for high-tech jobs. We need to make sure our high-tech industries, which are making a whopping profit right now, spend that profit in training Americans for those jobs rather than giving them to 200,000 Pakistanis or Indians or others who will work for $25,000 a year and taking those jobs away from Americans who would be earning $75,000 a year. So H-1B visas are no gift to the American people.’

  • edo

    ‘Firstly, I can’t speak for Lance, but when I read your criticism of Edwards I thought to myself “great, let the circular firing squad begin”. Do you see the problem with that?’

    i see a bigger problem with silence toward a fraud

    ‘Secondly, since you did not suggest a preferred candidate, how were we supposed to know you have never voted for a Republican?’

    well, it’s almost 2 years away form the election….

    ‘Thirdly, may I suggest that you are letting perfect be the enemy of good enough? Yes, Edwards may not be perfect. But as Lance stated, he’s way better than any of the likely Republican’t nominees.’

    i’m not the enemy of ‘good enough’ – i’m the exposer of total 2 faced liars

    ‘Finally, I support Wesley Clark. I think either Edwards or Obama would be a great running mate for Clark. ‘

    Clark: ‘Let them do the software in India; we’ll do other things in this country” ‘

    yeah, clark’s really looking out for us….

  • Andy F,

    yeah, clark’s really looking out for us….

    Name your preferred candidate. I did.

  • edo,

    it’s nearly 2 years out

    i’m hoping a better one comes along

    why, with 2 years to go, are we obligated to commit to a candidate so early?

  • I think “McCain Doctrine” was, and is, perfect for all the reasons CB gave. And until Gore decides to give us a Gore/Edwards (or Gore/Clark) ticket, Edwards is my nominee. Now let’s see which Dems and Reps will adopt that frame and which will distance themselves from it. Our overall collective goal is to beat McCain and the GOP not each other. Calling Bush’s surge/acceleration/escalation the “McCain Doctrine” is a great step toward beating McCain, considering public opinion about Bush’s Quagmire.

  • Edo @11 – I definitely agree with you. Perhaps “criticizing” was too strong of a word. My point is that I don’t want to put them up on a pedestal and ooh and aah at them.

    And I will certainly rally behind the Dem nominee whomever it happens to be. Even during the primary season, there should be a substantial amount of rallying especially since the alternative has shown itself to be so horribly detrimental to this country.

    I thoroughly applaud Edwards for his use of the “McCain doctrine” and tying McCain to a failed policy. I’m sure McCain and others will come up with some faulty policy (from their POV) that Edwards has and call it the “Edwards Doctrine”. (My guess is it will be raising taxes since all that Dems know how to do, right?)

  • “why, with 2 years to go, are we obligated to commit to a candidate so early?” – Andy F.

    A ranked list maybe? I’ve done mine a number of times. Please don’t ask again.

    Frankly, not being such an isolationist/populist (as I suppose you are) I don’t find any of the secondary issues you’ve cited as deal breakers for Edwards. The War and the USA PATRIOT act (yep, it’s one big acronym) votes are bad but I understand them completely and I do not consider them indictative of how Edwards would act as President.

    So your “Edwards will betray us to the corporate interests” meme is less than compelling (and if that is not what you want to imply know that it is what I have inferred from your writings so don’t whine at me.).

  • It’s useful to call it The McCain Doctrine to saddle McCain with the outcome, but it’s just proof McCain has bought the neocon doctrine. As enunciated in March 2004 by Bill Kristol:

    [T]here are hopeful signs that Iraqis of differing religious, ethnic, and political persuasions can work together. This is a far cry from the predictions made before the war by many, both here and in Europe, that a liberated Iraq would fracture into feuding clans and unleash a bloodbath. The perpetually sour American media focus on the tensions between Shiites and Kurds that delayed the signing by three whole days. But the difficult negotiations leading up to the signing, and the continuing debates over the terms of a final constitution, have in fact demonstrated something remarkable in Iraq: a willingness on the part of the diverse ethnic and religious groups to disagree–peacefully–and then to compromise. This willingness is the product of what appears to be a broad Iraqi consensus favoring the idea of pluralism.

    And 30,000 troops now will allow us to make this 3-year old boast into the reality it always wanted to be. If you believe that, come join me at the Santa Monica Pier as we stare out over the Pacific tomorrow at dawn and watch the sun rise.

  • Tom Cleaver @20

    I just saw Kristol on the Daily Show (a repeat) and he almost seems to laugh at his support for Bush as in “you know I’m not going to admit that I’m wrong, but you know that I know that I was wrong.”

    …the predictions made before the war by many, both here and in Europe, that a liberated Iraq would fracture into feuding clans and unleash a bloodbath. Little did he know that he would be quite possibly as wrong about something in the geo-political world (his specialty, no less) as any one person could be. I would have liked Jon Stewart to have thrown this at him.

  • Andy F,

    why, with 2 years to go, are we obligated to commit to a candidate so early?

    I’m not asking you to commit to a candidate. Express a preference. Give us a ranked list. Name a single candidate that you think worthy of consideration. Anything other than pure criticism at any given candidate.

  • The McCain Doctrine may be brilliant BUT….that all depends on whether the bad effects of a surge in troops is obvious at precisely the time people are deciding who to vote for and voting.

    If we name it the McCain Doctrine and it appears to be working — or at least making McCain look like a larger-than-life leader — then we lose by this strategy.

    I know that I don’t know enough about military tactics and the planned timing of this surge to make that call.

    Do you?

  • lance,

    you said

    ‘So your “Edwards will betray us to the corporate interests” meme is less than compelling (and if that is not what you want to imply know that it is what I have inferred from your writings so don’t whine at me.). ‘

    i didnt give slogans, i stated facts – important facts that directly contradict the values edwards claims

    that’s not a ‘meme’, but nice try anyway

    is a meme to you, just anything you disagree with?

    even republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) saw the truth of the h-1b bill edwards co-sponsored

    ‘We do not need to import people into this country for high-tech jobs. We need to make sure our high-tech industries, which are making a whopping profit right now, spend that profit in training Americans for those jobs rather than giving them to 200,000 Pakistanis or Indians or others who will work for $25,000 a year and taking those jobs away from Americans who would be earning $75,000 a year. So H-1B visas are no gift to the American people.’

  • Andy F I’m not arguing that Edwards didn’t vote for th H-1B bill. I just don’t think that the populist notion that if you don’t let Indians come here with computer degrees that hillbillies will go out and get the degrees to do the work is a valid argument. Yes there are some Americans who can do this work. Are there enough willing to work where the work is for the hours that the work must be done?

    I’m just not going to turn against Edwards because of this or any of the things you listed.

    You don’t have a positive candidate? Put one up and I can do some googling his/her record too.

  • Lance,

    You don’t have a positive candidate? Put one up and I can do some googling his/her record too.

    I think that’s exactly why Andy F will only criticize candidates and not provide one of his own. Every candidate has some weaknesses or policy that is vulnerable to criticism.

  • lance,

    ‘ I just don’t think that the populist notion that if you don’t let Indians come here with computer degrees that hillbillies will go out and get the degrees to do the work is a valid argument’

    frankly, I think that’s racist. I’ve had to train h-1bs when i knew qualified Americans who were unemployed – and really mediocre h-1bs at that’

    ‘Are there enough willing to work where the work is for the hours that the work must be done?”

    your question pre-supposes that work is not a process of negotiation, that people are serfs that work massive unpaid overtime, and pick up and move without compensation. as a manager-to-be at a big 6 firm, i was shown that projects are deliberately scheduled with heavy overtime because the pay stops at 40 hours – i always suspected it, prior to being shown, but there could be no doubt afterward. it’s a labor issue, not a tech issue. the fact is, that the american tech worker’s willingness to work massive overtime only made employers ever greedier. Bill Gates isnt hurting, and that’s whos been behind all these h-1b increases, that and political whores like edwards

    it always astonishes me how democrats can cry about working people, yet fail to recognise the worker’s right to negotiate conditions.
    whether it’s stupid or evil, i really dont know, but i strongly feel it needs to be exposed

    the indentured servitude of h-1b is about busting labor – no iffs ands or buts

  • Andy F,

    You have me intrigued, also… 🙂 We all know your objections to this and that candidate (Edwards and Clark) by now, but we have no clue as to whom you *do* like; you seem to evade this question with a skill of a panicked eel. Is “Andy F for prex” your choice, per chance?

    “[…] i was shown that projects are deliberately scheduled with heavy overtime because the pay stops at 40 hours […]”

    I remember the “institution” of this one, not all that long ago — it’s a Repub invention to not pay overtime to white collar, (not-paid-per-hour) workers. If you were railing against *that*, I could understand. But, bitching about H-1Bs?

    Presumably, *they* (the temporary imports) negotiate their terms, just as you advocate, no? But they don’t have the “edge” you do — they can be tossed out on their ass, on a minute’s notice, not just out of a job but out of the country. So they settle for less than you think you’re worth, because it’s still better than what they could expect in India.

    Yeah, I know… It had cost you a bomb to get the same education they get for free, so you *need* to get a better pay than they get, to get shut of your student debts. But, again, your anger is misdirected — aim it at those bloodsucking, cent-per-center leeches who live (high off the hog, at that) off the interest you’re paying on the debt.

  • libra,

    thanks for giving my comments serious consideration

    as far as the non-paid overtime for white collar, i didnt know where it came from, it’s been there forever – and once upon a time, when white collar overtime wasnt badly abused (pre-1990s), it wasnt that big of a deal

    but i’ve always felt that all work should be hourly pay, and after the mid 1990s, i would only work hourly in tech – after all, if i told the gas station, the grocery store,etc ‘i’ll pay a fixed amount each week, and i’ll just take whatever i want’, they’d tell me to go to hell

    i grew up in a democrat family, and i’ve never voted republican

    who would i support of existing candidates? currently, almost 2 years out, i’d say none, because they all SUCK – at some point, the ‘least of the evils’ is still just plain evil

    Perot, in 1992 although not perfect, actuually put forth ideas i believed in (yes, i know he hires h-1bs, but at least he did speak up about globalism when it needed to be spoken- he at least tried)

    I voted Pat Buchanan, a reform party candidate, in 2000

    why am i focussing on edwards?

    well, it is an edwards blog, it’s not like i’m bringing up edwards in an unrelated blog

    i’d love to have a candidate who didnt completely suck, and advocate him or her

    but that’s not where we are

  • i forgot to mention, i did vote for clinton in 1996 (pre-h-1b)

    i was converned about nafta, but he did make progress on the budget – credit where credit was due

  • who would i support of existing candidates? currently, almost 2 years out, i’d say none, because they all SUCK – at some point, the ‘least of the evils’ is still just plain evil

    As I suspected. No given candidate is perfect, so they all suck. Yeah, right. Wake up to reality Andy F.

  • ok Edo, naming what edwards has done wrong doesnt cut it with you

    well, let’s try it this way: what has he DONE right

    talking doesnt count

  • John Edwards knows a lot about poverty, after all, he’s helped throw a lot of people into it with:

    – his co-sponsorship of H-1b visas,

    – his support for illegal aliens,

    – his vote for MFN-China

    but what about stuff like iraq war and the patriot act?

    well, he voted for them too

    About the only thing you can say for Edwards is, he spent so much time running for president that he didnt have time to do more damage as senator.

    You’ve got to ask yourself – ‘what did he do, with the power he had, when he had it?

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