‘Two or three years’

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of only a handful of congressional cheerleaders for a troop escalation in Iraq, repeated most of the predictable talking points during his appearance on Meet the Press yesterday, but Tim Russert, to his credit, asked the question I was anxious to hear: “If the surge doesn’t work, will Republicans senators then go to the president and say, ‘Enough’?”

Graham immediately launched into complaints about Democrats and the very idea of a withdrawal, so Russert interrupted him. “Senator, my question was, if the surge does not work, will Republicans then say, ‘We tried everything. We gave it our last best hope. Mr. President, the war has been lost’?” Graham’s response is worth remembering.

Graham: I don’t think any Republican or Democrat should do anything right now to say the war is lost. We should try to win this war. And the day you say we’re going to withdraw — three months, six months, a year from now — the effect will be that the militants will be emboldened, the moderates will be frozen, and we will have sent the message to the wrong people. Who started this…

Russert: So we’re stuck there forever.

Graham: Well, you stay there with a purpose to win.

Recent news reports have characterized troop escalation as the final bet. The Hail Mary pass. The last-ditch hope to somehow pull this nightmare off. It’s a short-term gamble that the only thing standing between chaos and success is 20,000 troops and some reconstruction money. The question about what happens after this “new way forward” fails is rarely even asked — because the answer belies the sales pitch. If McCain’s new “surge” is as effective as the previous ones — which is to say, not at all — war supporters won’t give up; they’ll just call for another one.

It’s exactly why it’s hardly a surprise to hear Bush’s new military leaders for Iraq talk openly about another “two or three years” of combat. (For those keeping score at home, that’s four to six Friedman Units.)

From today’s NYT:

The new American operational commander in Iraq said Sunday that even with the additional American troops likely to be deployed in Baghdad under President Bush’s new war strategy it might take another “two or three years” for American and Iraqi forces to gain the upper hand in the war.

The commander, Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, assumed day-to-day control of war operations last month in the first step of a makeover of the American military hierarchy here. In his first lengthy meeting with reporters, General Odierno, 52, struck a cautious note about American prospects, saying much will depend on whether commanders can show enough progress to stem eroding support in the United States for the war.

“I believe the American people, if they feel we are making progress, they will have the patience,” he said. But right now, he added, “I think the frustration is that they think we are not making progress.”

Probably because we’re not. And if we’re still not making progress a year from now, it won’t matter. Nor two years, nor three. As Graham said, “You stay there with a purpose to win,” which presumably means, indefinitely, no matter the cost.

The WaPo noted yesterday that “senior military and administration officials privately admit their deep concerns that the troop increase will backfire — and leave the United States with no options left in six to eight months.” At which point the president will no doubt offer a stirring speech about sacrifice and patience, move the deck chairs around some more, and accuse anyone who disagrees of being weak and defeatist.

People like Mr. Graham should be forced to wear a scarlet letter B for Blood-thirsty. Or Bastard.

And of course dumping every available body in Iraq means that if we need soldiers for anything else (like fighting a Taliban resurgence in that other war no one mentions) the US is hosed.

  • I’m not sure of the figures, but hasn’t the troop levels in Iraq fluctuated more than 20,000 at various times? Even now estimates of current troop levels differ by that amount. Isn’t this just Bush acting like he’s “Thinking Different” when it’s all still just stay the course?

  • I wonder if the Senator ever contemplated himself, as one of the two national representatives from his state, being that absolutely useless?

  • It occurs to me, and has for some time, that the Repugs are intent on keeping the troops in Iraq through the end of Shrubby’s misrule, so the “failure” can be blamed on his presumably Democratic successor and they can then start shrieking about the “stab in the back.”

  • Recent news reports have characterized troop escalation as the final bet. The Hail Mary pass.

    The “war as football game” metaphor is offensive, yet apt. BushCo seems to think that “victory” is a clear-cut black or white result. If we can just get that last touchdown in the final seconds of the game, then the entire game becomes a victory and will be recorded in the record books as such. The victory is permanent and it vindicates all that went before.

  • Poor Lindsay Graham. His mind is locked in a prison. A lot of Americans’ minds are in prisons. Mental prisons. Thinking in a box. A loss of mental dexterity. They can’t reconcile the myth of American power from the realities of its limitations. His choice is a false dichotomy: Think like a caveman; or think like a barbarian. You have to feel sorry for him and all like him. They’re just dolts.

  • This troop escalation is actually old news. The increasing troops and extending tours of duty have been in play a long time.

    Reportedly from late July 06 to the beginning of Sept 06 the troop levels “surged” by 13,000.

    Here’s a bit from BBC news back in Dec 2004:

    Last Updated: Thursday, 2 December, 2004, 01:15 GMT
    US to raise troop levels in Iraq

    Some soldiers have had their tours extended twice
    US forces in Iraq are being bolstered to their highest-ever level in the run-up to next month’s election.
    Some units are having their tours extended to cover the expansion, amid fears that violence will increase in the weeks before the vote.

    The US is expanding overall troop numbers by 12,000, to reach 150,000 – more than actually invaded the country.

    The BBC’s Nick Childs at the Pentagon says the move is a sign of continuing concerns about security in Iraq.

    The increased total from 138,000 US troops now in Iraq will continue until mid-March, Army Brig Gen David Rodriguez said at the Pentagon.

    “The purpose is mainly to provide security for the elections. But it’s also to keep up the pressure on the insurgency after the Falluja operation,” he added, referring to the recent US-led assault on the Sunni Muslim city.

    They will not be extended any further than this

    Brig Gen David Rodriguez

    Some units are having their period of service in Iraq extended from 12 to 14 months, or from seven to nine months.

    One unit, the 2nd Brigade of the 1st Cavalry Division, is having its tour of duty extended for the second time. After being slated to fly home in November, then January, they will now remain until March.

  • Another Graham irony was his reference of interjecting more military might to effect a political solution. Any poli sci neophyte sees the folly in such a perilous construct. -Kevo

  • I think it’s time to break out those images of flag-draped coffins, and tell people like Grahamcracker: “This is the result of your buffoonery….”

  • If 20K troops is considered a Hail Mary then that’s a pretty shitty QB. More of a short toss, really.

    To add my 1 1/2 cents to Will’s comment about War as a Football Game. I wish it would end as too many assholes (mostly the overgelled and refreshed football types on TV) seem to equate it as such.

    1) Gaining yardage is not THE measure of success and probably the worst for a guerilla war.
    2) Unlike football, you have a lot of folks mucking behind your lines and there’s no such thing as offside.
    3) A meatgrinder style back and forth type game looks exciting for the spectators, but isn’t so much fun when you and your buddies are the meat in question. In reality, war isn’t a fucking spectator sport (like those Washington Twits who “observed” the First Battle of Bull Run.)
    4) It’s not ALL about brute force and who has got the biggest fattest linemen. Better to fight smart than simply charge into enemy territory and smash
    5) It’s not done by the fucking playbook so doing set plays against guerilla opponents has gotta be the stupidest thing ever.
    6) Smashmouth ain’t the best approach to winning hearts and minds.

    Mentally, Football might be like preparing for a big battle, but these days the big ones are few and far between. Hard to get yourself over psyched up every damn day.

  • I agree with Susan at #5. Those poor troops are going to be there when the next Democratic President takes office.

  • …the militants will be emboldened, the moderates will be frozen

    …yeah, and the wookies will be nonplussed, the jabberwockies will be brilliged, the lindsays will be institutionalized….

  • I think it’s time to break out those images of flag-draped coffins, and tell people like Grahamcracker: “This is the result of your buffoonery….”

    Believe me, Steve (#10), it doesn’t work. True Believers, Fundamentalists, Senators like Graham and the Bush Crime Family cannot be reasoned with.

  • “— the effect will be that the militants will be emboldened…”

    No matter what the result would have been in this mess, it is a given that the militants would be emboldened at the point in time when the US would withdraw–they would claim victory and celebrate how they drove the great satan from their lands. This was a foregone conclusion regardless of outcome, and became particularly true and magnified when this bunch of incompetents decided to go to war without any concrete and specific goals (like, say, simply removing Hussein and his sons from power, and searching for and destroying any remaining dangerous weapons found in the country). Now the simple goal of Bush, Cheney, McCain, Graham and the like is to merely avoid providing the militants the ability to say they drove the US from Iraq until after the 2008 elections. That is it.

  • Ed Sed: True Believers, Fundamentalists, Senators like Graham and the Bush Crime Family cannot be reasoned with.

    Amen…New Year’s Eve, my house…the one rabidly pro-Bushite remainining in my social circle left early ’cause he was pissed that none of us would fight with him about ‘Islamofacism’.

  • It was pathetic yesterday watching Graham echo and extend the BushCo talking points. When this last hurrah of more troops fails, will the citizens of South Carolina make Lindsey Graham pay the price? With all of the money and blood spent of this asinine war, Democrats from all regions shouldn’t hesitate to hang the Iraq war around the neck of every Republican.

  • I’m reaching the point where the entire chattering class has me wanting to bang my (or someone else’s) head against the wall. I understand that we have troops, equipment, weapons and an obscene amount of money tied up in this ‘war’. Every day, I read that more Americans have died in this ‘war’. But for all the ‘serious’ talk, from all the ‘serious’ people, there’s a fundamental question that they’re all dancing around – Who are we at ‘war’ with?
    Terrorists? As many have noted, terrorism is a tactic. It does nothing to identify the ‘who’.
    Radical Muslims? That’s a pretty slippery definition. One person’s radical is another’s reformer.
    Insurgents? Would these be Iraqi nationalists, or people lashing out to settle old tribal scores?

    Bush’s military disaster was doomed to failure because it lacks a fundamental characteristic of war – a clearly defined enemy. Victory is simply not possible, because there is no defined enemy to vanquish.

    Bush’s debacle might as well be called “The War on Boogie-men”. They’re as ill defined, and unlimited in number as any definition put forth by the Bush regime.

  • JoeW #19 has hit upon THE THING that needs to be answered. Just who is our enemy we are fighting against in order “to win” in Iraq? Mr. Bush and company need to answer this before I choose to listen to them again. -Kevo

  • Victory is simply not possible, because there is no defined enemy to vanquish. – JoeW

    And isn’t that a beautiful, miraculous convenience for WarCo and MercenaryCo that their business plan is working so unbelievably well.

    The customer has deep pockets and buys everything they want to sell at whatever price they feel like asking and tips like a motherf**ker.

    Very, Very big money is being made off of the death and destruction of this really lovely, (for some), “war”. The vaguer the enemy, the farther over the horizon any hint of finality vanishes to. Victory in this war is ever higher quarterly profits. We need a series of Victories. A never ending series of Victories.

    Yeah, that’s it. Victories forever. And how about another little tax break as an incentive?

  • Stop using the word “surge.” It’s an “escalation.”

    From Saturrday’s LA Times http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-usiraq6jan06,1,6869055.story

    The leading advocates of an increase in U.S. forces in Iraq warned President Bush on Friday that any buildup lasting less than 18 months was doomed to fail, and urged the White House to avoid compromises that would scale back the plan.

    A strategy advocated by McCain and Keane, who has advised Bush on Iraq policy, calls for about 30,000 additional troops who would remain in Iraq from 18 months to two years. About 140,000 U.S. troops are now in Iraq.

    Does this sound like a “surge”? Does this sound “limited in scope”?

    That 10th rate hack Kagan needs to be taken out and hanged from the first tree they find outside the AEI building.

  • Lindsay Graham, and the rest of the Repub “leaders” who got us into this mess, need to have the word “loser” tatooed on their foreheads so everyone who meets them knows thay are the ones who lost this fool’s errand. Graham’s lack of backbone and inability to provide oversight on his own party’s sophomoric attempt at fighting a war created the environment that allowed the neocons to blow this.

    The failure that is Iraq is entirely political. The military should not have to sacrifice more soldiers for the screw-ups and failings of Republican politicians.

  • Sorry to sound like one of those blog sycophants but I think it needs to be emphasized. As this article makes abundantly clear, the surge will not work because THERE IS NO PLAN. The troops that are already there are not doing anything. Notice that no one is talking about what the strategy is except to sit in Iraq and get shot at and hope the people shooting at them stop.

  • #22 burro, President Eisenhower had a name for what you discribe. He called it the Military-Industrial Complex. -Kevo

  • Senator Graham also noted yesterday on MTP that our “biggest mistake” was going in with too few troops. He still cannot acknowledge that our “biggest mistake” was going in – period. Now it seems we are left with what seems to me to be a “Hobson’s Choice.” I am hard-pressed to see how adding 30,000 troops is going to save this thing. But, I also wonder / worry about Iraq as a failed state. This used to be the absolute “worst case” scenario. It now feels like the probable outcome. The damage Bush’s Iraq policy has done is unspeakable and depressing beyond words. He is not – and therefore we are not – left with any appealing options. History’s grasp of the obvious will be just as keen as my own: this is a mess entirely of W’s own making.

    After reading this morning just a few of the posts at the new McClatchy Baghdad blog, http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/iraq/ , I feel utter despair and renewed rage over Bush’s blithe incompetence (most of the time I can muster only despair). Whatever course we choose, I fear that Iraqis in large numbers will suffer terribly. Unfortunately, the greatest perpetrator of this travesty is the one least likely to suffer anything of true consequence from it. The bitter fruits of his failure will have to be swallowed by millions of others and will never cross his lips in a meaningful manner. I wish we could find a plan that would bring success (I care nothing for the “victory” about which Bush crows and jabbers constantly). I think the window closed on that opportunity long, long, ago.

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