What’s the ‘worst that could happen’ in Iraq? Don’t ask Lieberman

January 8, 2007

At last week’s American Enterprise Institute McCain-Lieberman Neocon Fest 2007, at which the two senators explained how great troop escalation in Iraq will be, Lieberman concluded with an appeal to stand behind the president as he unveils so called “surge” policy.

“He needs our support,” Lieberman said, adding, “He needs the support of the people in Congress who are with him. The worst thing that could happen here is that there be some kind of attempt to resolve this pivotal moment where they compromise among factions in American politics and in the American Congress rather than doing what is right and has the highest prospect of succeeding in Iraq.” (emphasis added)

When it comes to “the worst thing that could happen,” Tim Dickinson suggested Lieberman was limiting himself a bit.

Ahem. I believe, senator, that the “worst that could happen” is that a significant number of the 20,000-30,000 troops we send to police the hornets’ nest of Baghdad could come home in body bags.

Listen, I wish as much as anyone that there were a military strategy to win this thing. The consequences of failure in Iraq are as terrible for America’s interests as they are for peace-loving Iraqis.

But it’s clear that this surge strategy is just so much grasping at straws. This isn’t a strategy for victory, it’s a last ditch effort to delay defeat. The chances for anything recognizable as “success” are beyond remote.

Meaning that the inevitable American deaths that come from this offensive will be even more tragic than the ones’ whose sacrifice the surge is meant to redeem.

The worst that can happen, Senator Lieberman, is that 2,000 more Americans die just to prove that this war was irredeemably lost a year ago.

As far as Lieberman is concerned, he looks at troop escalation as a tactic to be considered. The “surge” is, as he sees it, “worth a shot.” The administration can try this, and if it fails again, it can try something else.

The fact that we’re dealing with tens of thousands of American lives seems to be an afterthought.

I’m generally not in favor of recall movements, but for Lieberman I would gladly make an exception.

  • I am inclined to agree with Joe Biden’s assessment that the Bush administration is simply trying to postpone the inevitable disastrous retreat from Iraq until the next administration.

    If it takes another 3000 Americans dead in order to keep Bush from having to admit that he was the one who retreated, then as far as they are concerned, it is worth it.

    Bush is the ultimate Baby Boomer: totally self-absorbed, shallow, and amoral.

    Sometimes I have to remind those members of “the Greatest Generation” who complain about Baby Boomers that it was they who raised the Baby Boomers. Now everybody knows what a rotten job they did as parents, despite having saved the world from totalitarianism. They bequeathed to us leaders like George Bush.

    (I can complain about Baby Boomers, of course, because I am one.)

  • As long as we’re killing Muslims, Lieberman will be happy.

    Thomas, I’d be more than happy to take you up on that. By the way, who is watching your bridge?

  • “defund the war — I dare you.” – Thomas

    It amazes me that conservatives are too cowardly to go to the White House and demand that BG2 bring the troops home, but somehow have the courage to dare the Democrats to “defund the war”.

    And of course, just like after the fall of Saigon, they’ll be bitching that it’s the Democrats that “lost the war” that BG2 has already lost, along with 3000 American dead and thousands of Americans maimed, not to count the Iraqis.

    Be a man Thomas, and shoot your own rabid dog. Don’t come to me with a gun and a bullet and ask me to do it for you after years of calling me a traitorous cat-lover, especially when I know it won’t take you a week to start whinning that I’m a dog-killer if I do shoot your dog for you.

    George Walker Bush is the Commander-in-Chief and he’s the one who’s lost this war. Let him clean it up like a man.

  • I actually get nauseous when I think about Lieberman now and that I voted for his sorry ass for VP in 2000. Along with McCain, they will pander to whomever they need to in order to get elected and Lieberman appears to be focusing on being McCain’s running mate from some perceived vision of electability. Lieberman just keeps going more and more to the right despite his stated position of caucusing with the Dems. I don’t see any other real motivation for this.

  • “The fact that we’re dealing with tens of thousands of American lives seems to be an afterthought.”

    That sentence is strongly relying on the premise that they are capable of actual thought. Ditto for Thomas.

  • Lance @6: “Be a man Thomas, and shoot your own rabid dog. Don’t come to me with a gun and a bullet and ask me to do it for you after years of calling me a traitorous cat-lover, especially when I know it won’t take you a week to start whinning that I’m a dog-killer if I do shoot your dog for you.”

    Well said, sir.

  • “He needs our support,”

    And by support he means the kind provided by an athletic supporter. Lieberman thinks his peers should delight in holding the monkey’s dick as much as he does.

    It would save a lot of time and trouble if cretins like JoeLie and Graham would just say “Fuck the troops, fuck the Iraqis, fuck you all, we gotta agree with the Prezident,” and shut up.

  • For Joe Lieberman, who has never served in a war, to say the worst thing that can happen in the Iraq conflict is for politicians to compromise is abhorrent. Only someone who has no value for human life could say such a thing.

    The worse case scenario is more death and killing. To frame it in purely self-interested political terms is what only an ass like Lieberman would say. Joe needs to spend a year in Sadr City with his family, with only the Iraqi security forces for protection, to ponder what the worst case scenario really would be.

  • George Walker Bush is the Commander-in-Chief and he’s the one who’s lost this war. Let him clean it up like a man.
    –Lance

    **bookmarks the abvove comment for future reference**

  • Is it wrong that every time that idiot opens his mouth, for a brief second, I feel OK about the 2000 election?

  • Lieberman apparently channels Walter Mitty, his trusty rifle in his hands, boldly policing the streets of Baghdad…

    Even those opposed to the surge, he said, “ought to at least let us try it.”

    Us? Go for it, Joe. Grab your gun, and go for it. Or if you’re too big of a weenie, send your kids.

    The American people want you to go over there, and straighten out that mess. If you got killed trying, at least you’d be living up to your own bravado, instead of sending other people’s kids to die.

  • Joe cares for the troops like he cares for the decision of the Connecticut electorate. He had to suck a bunch of ReThugs, just to get re-elected. Fortunately, Joe has no authority over the House, so his Master’s policies can’t just breeze through any more—regardless of how much slutty little trolls like Thomasina ballyhoo about the imaginary impotence of a Democratic Congress.

    Thomasina shouldn’t “dare” too much. It would be funny to see some GOP Senators decide that Pelosi would make a better President that the “chimpan-zette” currently cowering behind the Presidential Podium, brandishing the Presidential Seal, and spewing the now-infamous words “I’m the Decider!”

    Let’s see—if memory serves me, we need 17 GOP Senators to decide that America is more important than Georgina and “Brucie.” And right now, I think that there might be “at the very minimum” just that many who think that the policies of this administration are questionable, and bordering on the Un-Constitutional. Maybe even a few more.

    Pelosi as President, with the VP position vacant, means the appointment of a Democratic VP that breaks each and every “Lieberman Tie” in the Senate. There goes Thomasina’s “Dare.” There goes Iraq. There goes all the perks that’ve been handed out to “friends of the Reich” these past six years. Thousands of Bushian faithful suddenly find themselves—each with a cardboard box full of their personal possessions—put to the curb, like so much of what used to be New Orleans.

    “Faith-based” becomes an extinct concept. So does “Trickle-Down” and “Social Security Privatization.” Single payer healthcare moves to the front burner—and the shut-down-all-debate rules created by the “Frist and Bones Show’ suddenly rear up and bite the last vestiges of the Neocon Race—right in the throat.

    So rant on, oh Thomasina! Continue in the way that only you and yours know, to demonstrate the hate; the ineptitude; the viscous slop that you pander as “meaningful discourse” to the People of these United States. Keep peddling those lies. Keep throwing those petty sticks and stones at the looming Shade on yonder horizon.

    For that Shade is the Doom of your political species. It will take you; it will take your President and his administration; it will take the myriad disgusting Quislings of America—including the one calling himself “Lieberman”—and cram them into a veritable meatgrinder with just three little words:

    Sic. Semper. Tyrannis.

  • Steve:

    How exactly does Pelosi become POTUS if Cheney is still ahead of her? This ought to be good.

  • Re #6

    “Well said, sir.” – Homer

    “bookmarks the abvove comment for future reference” – Unholy Moses

    Appreciation like that keeps me coming back 🙂

    When I hear Pat Buchanan begging the Democrats to cut funding or Tony Blankley daring the Democrats to cut funding (much like our Troll Thomas) I remember listening to them calling Democrats traitors for cutting the funding to a corrupt South Vietnamese government before the fall of Saigon, when there weren’t any American soldiers in the south anymore. I also consider the fact that these “famous” conservative pundits must have about zero influence with BG2 and the Bushites because they need US to get their way.

    Lame.

    Pat’s on Hardball now saying that the Israelis are pushing BG2 to bomb Iran to deal with their “nuclear weapon program”. Pat says it’s a stupid idea.

  • Make no mistake, the Iraq war is a disaster-

    A disaster from day one.

    The only question now, is how much will it cost

    Those that lost a loved one, or a serviceman who lost a limb, already have their answer – the rest of us are still calculating

    The responsibility to declare war, is given to congress, and congrerss alone via the constitution from our founding fathers

    yet, this power was transfered to a known drunk driver, G Bush

    Who gave the keys of war, a change of policy to first strike, delegated to an extreme concentration of power to an unworthy ‘decider’ G Bush?

    Well, one of the co-sponsors of the Iraq war resolution, was none other than John Edwards – he of course, voted for it also

    Now, he tells us he admits it was a mistake

    Think about it – if YOU gave your keys to a drunk driver 10 years ago in north carolina, and many people got killed and injured, and you admitted you made a mistake

    would john edwards have advocated you get a big promotion?

    or would he have taken you to the cleaners?

  • ***How exactly does Pelosi become POTUS if Cheney is still ahead of her? This ought to be good.***
    —————————————————-Troll Number One

    As per my post: “Let’s see—if memory serves me, we need 17 GOP Senators to decide that America is more important than Georgina and “Brucie.” ”

    You’re kinda dense for a troll….

  • Let’s look at it this way :

    We’ve TRIED the surge approach, quite a few times already. In those instances, we failed miserably, if not losing the battle, then the small victory leading us only to a greater overall defeat.

    So now, somehow, given that previous surges/escalations failed, and given that THEN it was easier than it would be now to accomplish our goal, and given that now, we are even less able to properly sustain any such increase in manpower, how exactly does one come to this as a sensible conclusion as to how to proceed?

    This policy is clearly the decision of an ass, and will impose further costs on our country’s prestige (whatever is left), increase the bodycount that has so far been in vain, and basically alienate a even larger swath of the globe against us.

    Could we be any more stupid? There really has to be a way to stop this madness. I used to be against impeachment for all the costs it would impose and for the little gain it would provide, but at this point, the signal itself, as to the fact that we dont agree with our deranged leadership is worth it alone.

  • Let me speak the unspeakable. Lieberman’s only concern, here, is the safety of Israel. Unless we stay in Iraq longterm and keep the focus of the Shiites, Sunnis and al Qaida on our troops in Iraq, there’s a definite risk that a regionwide conflict will break out and, in the ensuing regional chaos, Israel will be put at tremendous risk. Even if Iraq settles down and becomes an Islamic republic (which the democratic structures we’ve put in place make inevitable should they continue as a democracy), they then join with their neighbors as a direct enemy of Israel. Lieberman will do whatever he deems necessary, make whatever compromises with whomever is necessary to keep us in Iraq forever. The total of American troops or Iraqis killed is meaningless in his worldview.

  • Leeberman is won of the true patriuts left in the democratic country! He should get a medul of honer! What this country needs is mpre persons like him and les like the liberuls and cut and runners! We should all suport bush and sertain victory in Iraq, and we our wining!

  • 2007 CN Politian’s Predictions
    1. Joe Lieberman will devour his own head in one large bite (we can only hope).
    2. Chris Shays will grudgingly accept responsibility for his lies about the Iraq war and on his next visit to Iraq will sneak out of the Green Zone, dressed as an Iraqi woman and be raped by Shia militia.

  • I’m all in favor of recalling Joe LIEberman (I-Tel Aviv), but does the constitution of Connecticut make any provision for it? I haven’t been able to find out.

    Wonder how Joe LIEberman would have fared in November if he had run on a platform of escalating the war?

  • This just in: Sen. Mitch McConnell of KY says he will filibuster the Democrats’ resolution against the escalation — and Joe LIEberman will support him!

    WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR THE VOTERS OF CONNECTICUT TO RECALL THIS STINKING LITTLE WEASEL???

  • “Let me speak the unspeakable. Lieberman’s only concern, here, is the safety of Israel.”

    Let me echo that unspeakable sentiment. Joe LIEberman the uber-Zionist always places the interests of Israel ahead of those of his own country.

    In my dictionary, the word for that is TRAITOR.

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