So much for listening to the generals – redux

The fact that the president and military leaders are divided on how best to proceed in Iraq would be noteworthy under any circumstances, but it’s particularly striking given that Bush has sworn for years that he would not second guess the top military brass. “It’s important to trust the judgment of the military when they’re making military plans,” he told the Washington Post in an interview last month. “I’m a strict adherer to the command structure.”

The president can reject their advice — civilian control of the military is a bedrock principle — but the way in which Bush is blowing off the generals’ advice on Iraq is unusual.

When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against. […]

It may also be a sign of increasing assertiveness from a commander in chief described by former aides as relatively passive about questioning the advice of his military advisers. In going for more troops, Bush is picking an option that seems to have little favor beyond the White House and a handful of hawks on Capitol Hill and in think tanks who have been promoting the idea almost since the time of the invasion.

“It seems clear to me that the president has taken more positive control of this strategy,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), one of those pushing for more troops.

Great. Bush is making decisions on his own now, like that’s supposed to make us feel better.

According to the WaPo piece, there’s even a new slogan: “the president will explain ‘that we have to go up before we go down.'”

The sales pitch notwithstanding, we’re still looking at a dynamic in which the commanders are convinced Bush is wrong….

We sat down with military commanders there and here, and none of them said that additional troops would solve the fundamental cause of violence, which was the absence of national reconciliation. We always asked if additional troops were needed. We asked the question of [Gen. George] Casey and others, we asked it of Marine commanders in Anbar. Do you need additional troops? They all said the same thing: we don’t need additional troops at this point; we need to get the Iraqis to assume the responsibility they’re supposed to assume.

…as do the troops trying to train an Iraqi army.

Five days with American trainers assigned to Muqdadiyah found the Iraqi army there divided, sectarian, underfunded, cold and hungry. It lacks equipment, motivation and a common belief in its mission. The old guard is suspicious of the American Army, which defeated them and now trains them. The young guard is suspicious of the old guard.

….The American trainers said teaching counterinsurgency doctrine had become secondary to more basic pursuits, such as how to load a weapon, take care of equipment and even find basic supplies: food, water and bullets. In U.S commanders’ sparse offices and barracks, piles of books on counterinsurgency tactics sit unused behind desks.

I wonder just how strong Bush thinks his credibility really is.

It just gets worse and worse. The AP is reporting, “President Bush will acknowledge that mistakes have been made in Iraq.” Dan Bartlett is quoted as saying it’s time to fix the mistake of not having enough troops earlier.

Even when they get it, they just don’t get it.

  • Bush don’t care. He simply does not want to be the person know for all eternity, rightly or wrongly, as being the guy who was run out of Iraq by the terrorists/insurgents/Islamofascists/al qaeda, you know, as the French surrender monkey. Regardless of what happens, when the US troops ultimately leave Iraq these various groups will all take credit for running the great satan out of their lands, whether this would be accurate or not. Regardless of accuracy, it will be what happens. And to a large part of the world, including many in the US, and including many of his most ardent supporters, that is what will stick in people’s minds. George Bush, Surrender Monkey tres magnifique. However, if he can just run the remainder of the limitations period on this, and pass it off onto someone else, he may be considered a failure, but at least a resolute one who can at least argue he stood for principles etc. and can claim that had he just had a bit more time and not been hamstrung by those pesky Democrats he would have been successful (hard to definitively argue against such a mindset). At least HE did not back down to those who would seek to harm us. In this manner he will be able to at least shift some of the blame for the most colossal foreign policy cock-up, the one that really and truly cut the legs out from under America’s reputaion as a just country, to others.

  • “It seems clear to me that the president has taken more positive control of this strategy,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), one of those pushing for more troops. “He understands that the safety of the nation and his legacy is all on the line here.”
    – from the article

    Our selfish, Dear Decider, envisions himself going down fighting. He doesn’t give a damn who he takes down with him. As long as there are a few cheerleaders like McConnell and Graham telling him he’s a forceful genius with a legacy to pursue, he’ll be in love with himself and blunderbuss his way through more lives, money and the tattered remains of America’s once respected place in the world.

    I guess Shruby did turn out to be a uniter. He’s got almost the whole country united against his stupid escalation. Thanks Shruby, it’s one success you can claim.

  • “the president will explain ‘that we have to go up before we go down.’”

    A country and a war governed by catch phrase, metaphor and analogy.

    The strain of the world running on rhetoric instead of policy is starting to show – bullshit is not a plan!

  • Why do the librul demoncRAT generals hate the troops so much? They want America to fail. Bush should throw every Osama loving hippie general out of the military right now. I smell an UnAmerican activities committee on the horizon…

    Bush should get some generals who don’t love San Fransisco and Osama more than America and apple pie. dirty, dirty hippies.

    Oh, yeah. CB says this “I wonder just how strong Bush thinks is credibility really is.”

    But I think he means this “I wonder just how strong Bush thinks HIS credibility really is.”

    How dumb to you have to be to change “his” to “is”?!? Dirty, stupid librul demoncRAT hippie. Why do you hate America!?!

  • “the president will explain ‘that we have to go up before we go down.’”

    Ok, I am I the only one who thinks that sounds a little…oh…., shall we say obscene?

  • “We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender…”

    — Winston Churchill

    “We will have to go up before we go down.”

    — George W. Bush

  • I take a sort of perverse pleasure in knowing that George Walker Bush has to keep this up for two more long years. He may yet become the first (so-called) president in the history of the United States to achieve sub-20 ratings,. Support for, or even tolerance of, the Regal Moron is rapidly becoming prima facie evidence of knuckleheadedness and nincompoopery. Tonight, while he’s lying to the American people, I plan to be enjoying a bleu-cheese burger, delicious fries and a few heffies with friends in a TeeVee-free bar.

  • Ok, I am I the only one who thinks that sounds a little…oh…., shall we say obscene?

    Nope. But of course it is all Clinton’s fault.

    I know I should watch The Deciderator’s speechifying tonight but I think I may have to wait for the transcript. Housemate would be unhappy if I put a boot through the TV.

  • “‘that we have to go up before we go down”

    So in a nutshell we can refer to the new course in Iraq as the Viagra gambit? Pfizer to the rescue! Proving once again that there is no problem big pharma cannot solve. Better living through chemistry.

  • Ed,

    And hopefully the damage he is doing to the GOP in general, and to the republicant senators and representatives who actually do nothing to check him (which will be documented via their various votes over the next 2 years), will be irreversible for decades to come.

  • Actually Heraclitus says it all in Fragment 69:

    “The way up and the way down are one and the same.”

  • “go up before we go down.”

    Maybe W is following in the footsteps of Gladstone and giving us a classical reference. There’s a durable old translation of Xenophon’s “Ababsis” called “The March Up Country,” which is clunky but pretty accurate.

  • No to break Godwin’s Law, but when a guy in Germany with a funny mustache wouldn’t listen to his generals, things didn’t end up so well.

  • “the president will explain ‘that we have to go up before we go down.’”

    Will somebody please tell that rat-bastard of a commode-in-chief that this is not one of his little photo-op bicycle stunts in Crawford. this is the gambit of a suicidal maniac, softening the hard landing of his demise by taking as many people as he can with him. It’s actually “we have to go up in smoke before we go down in flames.”

    History will not be kind to the Crawford Clown Corps….

  • From today’s Washington Post:

    Others familiar with Bush’s thinking said he had not been happy with the military’s advice. “The president wasn’t satisfied with the recommendations he was getting, and he thought we need a strategy that was more purposeful and likely to succeed if the Iraqis could make that possible,” said Philip D. Zelikow, who recently stepped down as State Department counselor after being involved with Iraqi policy the past two years.

    This reminds me of reading “The German Generals Speak” and the description by Guderian of how Hitler decided they would stand at Stalingrad, regardless, no matter what all his generals unanimously advocated: withdrawal to a defensible line.

    We all know what happened after that.

  • …I plan to be enjoying a bleu-cheese burger, delicious fries and a few heffies with friends in a TeeVee-free bar.

    That sounds like a great plan. I plan on reading to my two children. Now if I could just squeeze in a bleu-cheese burger and a few heffies, life would be grand if just for an evening… 😉

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