Gonzales’ unique view of constitutional law

I haven’t seen independent confirmation of this, so consider it an unofficial transcript, but Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was asked yesterday about the constitutional right of habeas corpus during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. If accurate, his reported response was one for the ages. (Note: this transcript has been updated to be more accurate)

SPECTER: Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. The constitution says you can’t take it away, except in the case of rebellion or invasion. Doesn’t that mean you have the right of habeas corpus, unless there is an invasion or rebellion?

GONZALES: I meant by that comment, the Constitution doesn’t say, “Every individual in the United States or every citizen is hereby granted or assured the right to habeas.” It doesn’t say that. It simply says the right of habeas corpus shall not be suspended except by —

SPECTER: You may be treading on your interdiction and violating common sense, Mr. Attorney General.

GONZALES: Um.

Specter chose an exceedingly polite way of telling Gonzales that his interpretation of the Constitution borders on lunacy. Americans don’t necessarily have the right of habeas corpus, Gonzales reportedly argued, because the Constitution merely insists that the right not be “suspended.”

I’ve spent far too much time trying to wrap my head around such an intentionally obtuse argument, and I’ve given up. It’s akin to arguing that Americans don’t necessarily have the right to free speech; the Constitution merely prevents laws that would prohibit free speech.

Mr. Gonzales, Harvard Law School called. They want their diploma back.

Speaking of Gonzales, now that he’s conceded that the administration domestic surveillance efforts will operate within the law (from now on), the nosy lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee want to understand how the surveillance program will work. Gonzales doesn’t want to tell them.

The Bush administration quickly locked horns with Democratic lawmakers yesterday over its revised domestic wiretap program, signaling that the government will probably oppose efforts to release new court orders from a clandestine court that now governs the spying.

The head of the secret court that approved the program said she has no objection to releasing the documents, but Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and Director of National Intelligence John D. Negroponte indicated that the administration is likely to resist.

Let’s see, the program is allegedly legal, the oversight judge has no problem with senators being briefed on the details, and the administration decides to keep Congress in the dark anyway.

As for what we know of the revised eavesdropping program, there’s been some debate over whether the FISA court will approve warrants individually, or if the court gave broad approval for the surveillance in general. The WaPo says it may be both.

Four other people who have been briefed on the program, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the program is classified, described it as a hybrid effort that includes both individual warrants and the authority for eavesdropping on more broadly defined groups of people.

And as for the timing of bringing the controversial program under judicial oversight, the White House seems to have intentionally avoided the questions that have dogged warrantless searches for over a year.

The details remained sketchy yesterday, but critics of the administration said they suspected that one goal of the new arrangements was to derail lawsuits challenging the program in conventional federal courts.

“It’s another clear example,” said Ann Beeson, associate legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, “of the government playing a shell game to avoid accountability and judicial scrutiny.” […]

The announcement about the surveillance program came two weeks before a federal appeals court in Cincinnati was to hear the first appellate argument about the lawfulness of the program. Government lawyers now say that case is moot, but their claim is open to question.

Who knew Gonzales would end up being scarier than John Ashcroft?

Ashcroft was a clown. This idiot is the real thing, the Wilhelm Frick of the Bush Administration. God help us if there’s another terrorist attack – we’ll have gulags all over the country.

  • Apparently Bush was right – “elections have consequences” – I’m trying hard to piece together what Gonzo is doing – one day he attacks lawyers who represent Gitmo prisoners, the next day he speaks at AEI and says Judges have no clue about National Security issues, then he testifies in front of Congress and goes completely bonkers whether talking about the new FISA plan or habeas corpus…

    Is this a last ditch effort to establish a permanent Unitary Executive before the subpoenas come flying at their faces?

  • The interesting thing is that if you dare argue, using Abu G’s logic, that the Constitution doesn’t say that every individual in the United States or every citizen has or is assured the right to bear arms… the wingers go apesh*t.

    I guess being a strict constructionist depends on which constitutional rights you want to strictly interpret.

  • Uh, Gonzo…

    It wasn’t that long ago that various minorities were told that the laws of the land didn’t apply to them. Fought a war in part because of that one.

    If the US Constitution were that mealy mouthed then what is stopping anyone from making you and your buddies do the Butt Pyramid?

    Gonzo, legal enabler for the Feudalization of American.

  • I’ve had doubts about Gonzalez at least as far back as 2004, when he put out a memo saying the 2nd Amendment “unquestionably” confers an individual right to bear arms. Well, maybe it does and maybe it doesn’t — but an educated lawyer ought to know that there are questions about that very issue.

    An educated lawyer might also at least claim that habeas corpus can rightfully be suspended in times like these, by arguing that the US is in the midst of “Rebellion or Invasion.” So far as I can tell, Gonzalez didn’t make that argument.

  • Apparently, the White House views habeas corpus not as a right, but as a privilege.
    Kind of like a driver’s license.

  • Habeas Corpus is not well understood (even by most lawyers). Heck, it has a Latin name, how much more obtuse could something be.

    But it is, in many ways, a foundation freedom, a right without which few of the rest of them mean anything.

    Take Free Speech, for example. That one is reasonably easy to understand. If the government passed a law forbiding bloggers from criticizing the President (and analogous laws were passed, for example, the Sedition Act in 1798 and the Espionage Act of 1917), it is quite clear that such a law would be unconstitutional.

    Okay, that’s nice, but what can we do about it? Usually what is done about it is someone violates the law, gets arrested, and then claims in court that the law is unconstitional and can not be enforced. Usually, the court agrees, the person is freed and the law is rarely used again.

    But without the right of habeas corpus, the process tends to fall apart. Law is passed, law is violated, violater is arrested. End of story. The authorities realize that the law may be unconstitutional, so they are not anxious to try the person. And he or she is in jail anyway, and the criticism has stopped, so why bother. With the right of habeas a judge will order the person to be brought to court and the law under which the arrest was made can be challenged. Without habeas, there is very little that can be done.

    Habeas corpus is not just a good idea. It is a right that is a foundation upon which our other rights stand.

  • The complexities of our (past) constitutional democracy are too much for Gonzales and most current Republican officeholders to grasp.

  • Albert do you realize you have spent the past two years trying to legally make a wrong a right and at the expense of our freedoms and some bodies I would guess.

    I hope someday you find yourself behind bars grasping for the rights you have stripped from so many.

    Not really, but I hope the weasel goes down in history as the architect of non-civility.

  • Mr. Gonzales, Harvard Law School called. They want their diploma back.

    Seriously. If I was Harvard I wouldn’t want my name associated with someone who obviously slept through a good bit of law school or is so stupid, corrupt and/or delusional. Heck the ABA ought to be looking at him as well.

    I knew he was going to be a bad AG but I had no idea he could be this bad of an AG. Imagine what the real lawyers – no matter their political affiliation- in the AGs office think of him?

  • Who knew Gonzales would end up being scarier than John Ashcroft?

    And a blood brother equal to Edwin Meese.

  • I remember reading somewhere about a story Cheney told about when he worked on powerlines or something. The government was trying to conserve on metal, and demanded that metal wire over a certain length could not be thrown away, so Cheney cut any scrap metal of that length in half.

    He apparently uses this as a metaphor of how the imperial presidency works. When Congress passes a law, you cut the scrap in half — signing statements, bogus Constitutional interpretations, firing the attorneys, retroactively rewriting the laws he broke, claiming wiretapping is now under the authority of FISA when all he really did was get one judge somewhere to give them a blanket authority to tap whomever they choose.

    It’s how we got in the war. Decide on the outcome you want, then set about finding the intelligence, legal interpretations, and personnell who make it happen. He’ll find a way to make sure not one piece of scrap metal ever gets recycled.

  • Well, of course we’re in the middle of a Rebellion. A majority of the Congress has openly rebelled against the Decider. A majority of the electorate, in placing that Rebellious Congressional majority in place, has likewise openly rebelled against the Decider. thus, the Decider has come to the conclusion that there is a Rebellion, and seeks to suspend Habeus.

    However, the Decider should step back from his “decider-ing madness” and contemplate the purity of the moment. Several who are with us today on this very discussion have broached the issue of the Second Amendment, weighing that “Massah Gonzo” insists that such a right belongs to each and every individual. If the Second Amendment (1) promotes the inherent right to keep and bear arms, and that those arms are allowed so that (2) a Militia might “aid to the common defense,” and a consentual definition for the term “common” would clearly be (3) “that which represents a majority,” then one could, with a fair abundance of reasoned thought, reach the conclusion that the People of the United States, being an ideological majority in that they clearly disagree with the cognitive insanities of this current administration, possess the inherent right to take up arms against that administration simply because it (the administration) seeks to deny the Constitutionally-guaranteed rights of any individual.

    One in particular—Former Dan—notes that a war was fought over the issue of denying the Rights of our Laws to “certain minorities.” It is likewise important to note that the majority of those who took up arms in the cause of the Confederacy did so to protect themselves, their families, and their fellow countrymen from the perceived abuses of power that they believed would be the logical end result of a powerful, centralized Government. Today, as with the past six years, we see such a Government in the Bush administration. A government that “decides” for itself as to who has what Right, and who does not.

    It is said that there are two sides to every story. For the Civil War, those two sides were the institution of Slavery and freedom from perceived Tyranny. Today, we are faced with such a choice—either to submit to the slavery of this tyrannical adminstration, or to cast off the yoke of that enslaving tyranny.

    For the submission of a People to a Tyrant is, in and of itself, a most heinous form of “slavery,” indeed….

  • It wasn’t that long ago that various minorities were told that the laws of the land didn’t apply to them. Fought a war in part because of that one.

    [Former Dan]

    Right. And before that we had a war because some feeble minded bastard kept throwing his weight around. And since the Civil War every single gain in rights for minorities has been based on what? Why, this old document about rights and freedom. The one Abomination Gonzales now says is meaningless.

  • Who knew Gonzales would end up being scarier than John Ashcroft?

    Just recall that he’s the author of the torture memos…

  • Wow … um … yeah.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t defending and upholding the Constitution a key requirement of his job? And, if so, shouldn’t the fact that he’s doing neither mean that he could be yanked from office (not sure of how, just typin’)?

    The guy should be disbarred … today.

  • This whole idea is un-American and Gonzalez is a total tool but…the only reference to Haebus Corpus in the Constitution is in Article 1 Section 9. Section 9 pertains to Powers Denied to Congress. It says that Congress may not suspend the Writ of Haebus Corpus http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article01/.

    There are definately other areas of the Bill of Rights that pertain to this issue but as far as Haebus Corpus is directly mentioned it is not referring to the Executive Branch.

  • Alberto – Neither does the Constitution specifically deny anyone the Writ of Habeas Corpus, if you want to get picky about it. Another blog commented that thes guys have introduced the concept of “plausible deniability” to our Constitutional rights. How dare they!

    And for Specter to show shock at the White House’s flagrant abuses of power, you have enabled them every step of the way MF. Don’t act so surprised that they trample without qualm on the very Constitution you swore yourself to protect. Only a fool could look at their history of abuse of power and be disturbed by their recidivism.

    Lastly, Alberto has told America that if we have done nothing wrong, we have nothing to fear from their spying on us. Back atcha. If the AG has done nothing wrong, what’s with all the secrecy?

  • Gonzales isn’t the William Frick of the Administration – he’s the Adolf Eichmann.

    They really do live in a different reality, an alternate universe.

  • using Abu G’s logic, that the Constitution doesn’t say that every individual in the United States or every citizen has or is assured the right to bear arms

    I really wish Specter or someone else (Kennedy?) on the Judiciary committee had posed this logical extension of Gonzalez’ argumen as a question during the hearing. He’d either have to waffle, recant the ealier position, or deal with the NRA going crazy. The latter two would be great, and the first, while not ideal, would help to destroy his credibility.

  • I think the founding fathers had Alberto and our new king George in mind when they wrote the bill of rights…

    Amendment IX
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

  • Hi Edo,
    I watched some of Abu G’s (love that moniker) through-the-looking-glass testimony before the judiciary committee yesterday (through the miracle of C-Span late night). He did, in fact, assert that the language in the Constitution did not confer the right of Habeus to anyone. Spected did, indeed, respond as CB outlined. The proceedings took a mid-day break and when they returned for the afternoon session, Chairman Leahy lectured Abu G about all of the rights conferred by the Constitution using negative language (i.e., a right is conferred because the Govt is barred from taking it away). He cited the first and fourth amendments and touched on others and ended his lecture with a comment that was in essence “not to mention the 2nd amendment.” Abu G looked like the fool that he apparently is. I’m sure the AG left yesterday’s hearing with the distinct impression that Judiciary under Leahy is a “different world” than Specterland. Feingold gave him a good thrashing, too. Only the staunchest of KoolAid customers could have watched the procedings and not come away doubting the AG’s veracity, sincerity, and Constitutional fidelity. He apparently does not hold any truths to be self-evident unless they are the blessed talking points of the Decider.

  • MNP–I think it is because the writ of habeas corpus is a legislative issue/origin, one that can only be amended by legislation. The constitution itself is “legislation”–the supreme law of the land, a creature of the people. This is why suspension of it is placed with the Legislature, the representative of the people–only the legislature can alter or amend that right, and then only in accordance with the Constitution’s requirements, in Article 1 Sec. 9. The executive branch is just that, it executes, or carries out, the laws. It has no power to amend the laws. Only the Legislature can amend the laws (with the possible exception of the Judiciary declaring certain laws unconstitutional, although that really is not amending laws).

  • Gonzales: I meant by that comment that the Constitution doesn’t say that every individual in the United States or every citizen has or is assured the right of habeas corpus. It doesn’t say that. It simply says that the right of habeas corpus shall not be suspended.

    Translation: Habeas shall not be *suspended*. But it shall be, repeatedly, violated. And you can’t do anything about it, suckers, because you don’t have a right to it in the first place. Go, fly a kite.

  • A few hundred years ago, Gonzo would have been on the side of the British in the American revolution, along with Bush, Rove And Cheney.
    Those founding fathers were a bit to far to the left for these people.

  • I just realized what Gonzo, Bush, and Cheney probably have up their sleeves. They’ll declare that anytime the majority of the nation is NOT in support of the duly elected federal officials – it’s a rebellion!

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