Lieberman endorses GOP on defense, says he may vote Republican in ’08

If it weren’t a 51-49 Senate, Democrats would have to take away Joe Lieberman’s committee chairmanship, block him from attending caucus meetings, and tell him he can forget ever putting a “D” after his name again.

It is, however, a 51-49 Senate, so there are no consequences for Lieberman saying things like this.

Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee in 2000 who won re-election as an independent last year, says he is open to supporting any party’s White House nominee in 2008.

“I’m going to do what most independents and a lot of Democrats and Republicans in America do, which is to take a look at all the candidates and then in the end, regardless of party, decide who I think will be best for the future of our country,” Lieberman said Sunday.

“So I’m open to supporting a Democrat, Republican or even an Independent, if there’s a strong one. Stay tuned,” said the three-term lawmaker who caucuses with Senate Democrats.

In fact, Lieberman was quite chatty on the subject. When Fox News’ Chris Wallace said, You’re saying you might vote Republican in 2008?” Lieberman responded, “I am.” He added, “I agree more often than not with Democrats on domestic policy. I agree more often than not with Republicans on foreign and defense policy.”

Oh, Joe, what are we going to do with you.

Think about this: the Senate Democratic majority, left with no choice, has made Lieberman the chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, despite the fact that he publicly admits he disagrees with the Senate majority on the issue. And if party leaders tried to correct this mistake, they wouldn’t be in the majority anymore.

I was also struck by this comment: “Party is important, but more important is the national interest. And that’s the basis that I will decide whom to support for president.” In context, Lieberman sounded as if this would be the first time he’d consider putting the national interest first. Someone should probably ask him, “Looking back, who do you prefer, George W. Bush or John Kerry?”

But it’s looking ahead to 2008 that was the real problem for Lieberman. Wallace mentioned Clinton, Edwards, and Obama, all of whom have been critical of the president’s policy. Asked about the leading Dems, Lieberman said he’d consider voting GOP because the Dems’ position on the war “troubles” him.

With this in mind, it’s probably worth reminding the senator of what he told voters just a few months ago. Here’s Lieberman from July:

“That’s why I say [Lamont] is running a single issue campaign. Every campaign, as President Clinton reminded us, is about the future. And what I’m saying to the people of Connecticut, I can do more for you and your families to get something done to make health care affordable, to get universal health insurance, to make America energy independent, to save your jobs and create new ones. That’s what the Democratic Party is all about.

He is a single issue candidate who is applying a litmus test to me. It’s not good enough to be 90 percent voting with my colleagues in the Senate Democratic Caucus. He wants 100 percent. And when a party does that, it’s the beginning of the defeat of that party….

I want Democrats to be back in the majority in Washington and elect a Democratic president in 2008. This man and his supporters will frustrate and defeat our hopes of doing that.”

Unfortunately, Lieberman didn’t mean a word of it. He was doing what he always does — putting himself first, and shifting on a dime if it suits his purposes, even if that means abandoning his stated commitments.

And, just as an aside, if you’re thinking that Lieberman is positioning himself for a nice gig in the next GOP administration (McCain’s running mate?), then we’re on the same page.

This

“Party is important, but more important is the national interest. And that’s the basis that I will decide whom to support for president.”

would be valid if I though he was putting the national interest first, but he isn’t. He is looking to make a name for himself- period. He gets more notice pulling this kind of crap than he would have otherwise have gotten. Now that he knows this, it has become his schtick, therby flattering his ego.

  • Given that the Senate is supposed to be a deliberative body, and Joe considers himself to be divinely ordained a senator for life, it’s funny how little long term perspective Joe is bringing to his moment in the sun. The Senate won’t always be a 51-49 body, Joe. Guess where they’ll bury your body then?

  • Yes, Lieberman is going to bolt. He thinks he’s creating that centrist, non-partisan, maverick favorite of Sunday roundtables candidacy with McCain, the only other extremist left in the country who supports this President.

    I think it’s a miscalculation. As the Libby trial continues to expose the MSM’s sycophancy and cynicism that created Klien/Lieberman/McCain, they’ll find that the centrism exploited by the GOP to keep the country under the thumb of the cultists has lost favor, and the public will reject the party of partisanship, incompetence and failure.

    Sensible, serious people are partisan Democrats in 2008.

  • Imagnie if Hagel flips to the Democratic Party. Joe would be stripped of his chairmanship the very next morning…

  • I’d rather be in the minority without him than the majority with him. Take a stand on principle and kick his ass out of the caucus NOW.

  • I would so love to see a McCain-Lieberman unity ticket. All the losers on every polled isue united around two pasty flabby old nearly dead white guys, under the thumb of the pharisaical religious right, gulping Metamucil. Sounds wonderful!

  • I have said this before: Lieberman is a neocon and an “Israel-firster”—it colors his entire foreign policy perspective. Although Russ Feingold is also Jewish and a senator, no one calls Feingold a neocon and an “Israel-firster” because he doesn’t blindly support the Bush administration or the state of Israel. It may be just a matter time before neocon Bill Kristol labels opponents of the Bush administration and the Iraq war as “anti-Semitic.”

  • Someone needs to have a nice little private conversation with Senator Collins and remind her (a) no one thought nice, well-established incumbent Linc Chaffee could lose, either; (b) future elections will be even worse for the Rethugs if the Bush/Cheney/Lieberman axis gets its way on Iraq (and Iran); (c) if Joe-the-Ho stays with the D’s, Collins is at best ranking member, and if Joe traitors out to the Rs, Collins still wont be chair – Joe will. And then comes the carrot: if she switches parties (or even pulls a Jeffords – I, but caucus D), the party will protect her as best it can and she can chair Homeland Security. This is an easy give — she would be better than Joe L, and it would allow us to evict his sorry ass.

  • I second losing the Democratic majority in the Senate to lose Lieberman. At least force the issue — Lieberman loses his bipartisan appeal, and a chance at re-election to the Senate when he becomes just another babbling neocon. He needs the D for his maverick, bipartisan candidacy to fly. The Republicans are extremists, and he’s on the extreme end of that on the war. It is only by being a Democrat that his extreme neocon position becomes centrist.

    Threaten to throw him out, and seek out a Republican who will switch over. That ought to be the priority.

  • Lieberman.

    I couldn’t believe he’d win last year. Couldn’t Dems in Conn. figure out this guy?

    While a couple of years can make a big difference in national politics I don’t see anything that will change this tide between now and 2008. Would another 9/11 scare the hoi polloi? More likely, it would just further demonstrate the jackboots’ incompetence. How about getting us into a war with Iran? Yeah, that’s the ticket–to elect Democrats down to dogcatcher in every office in the country.

    From here the Bush/Lieberman foreign policy would just seem to drive more people into the arms of the Democrats. Bush’s every domestic proposal is exposed for the fraud that it is. We have gotten six years of bad road from the extreme right-wing of the Republicans, and as bad as Bush’s domestic policies have been his foreign policy has been so, so,so much worse. Eventually, Bush’s stank will stick to Lieberman. Even the folks in New Haven will notice.

  • I was going to say, “Could Joe Lieberman be a bigger asshole?” as a rhetorical question, but I’m afraid that’d only inspire him to try harder.

    Hey, what happened to all those people who said it wasn’t important to focus on Connecticut, because “either way, a Democrat’s going to win the seat”?

  • I’m not even sure we’d lose the Senate majority if Lieberman bolted; someone had a diary on Kos within the last week or two suggesting that the organizing resolution might be pretty robust.

    On the other hand, I’m not sure whether I’d want to have to rely on Susan Collins (or Olympia Snowe) as our ace in the hole to vote against McConnell for majority leader/GOP organizing principles, because Collins always sounds like she’s one mean word away from cowering, “Yes, yes, yes, of course you’re right, I didn’t mean to do anything that would help the Democrats,” or whether I’d suspect Hagel could be persuaded to offset Lieberman’s apostasy because we’d be trading a neoconservative Bush-loving whacko Dem for a conservative Bush-doubting Republican who wouldn’t agree with us on much else, but *could* *maybe* (and at least *some* of that’s probably wishful thinking) be persuaded to cancel out the most pernicious effects of Lieberman sucking up to Bush.

    I wonder if the other umpteen new Democratic committee chairs would be inspired to kick the living shit out of Lieberman if he switched, or if they’d *still* see him as their friend.

    Why the fuck is it so hard for Senate Democrats to tell that Lieberman is intent on fucking them over, but hard, whenever and however he can?

  • We knew Lieberman was going to be Republican on the war, but being Republican on Katrina was a surprise. Where’s the Democrat part of Lieberman?

  • What kind of photographs do the Bush people have of Lieberman, and what gender / age / species are involved? And will we get to see these photos on the internet once Lieberman’s usefulness to the Republicans runs out?

  • Chris Wallace said, You’re saying you might vote Republican in 2008?” Lieberman responded, “I am.” He added, “I agree more often than not with Democrats on domestic policy. I agree more often than not with Republicans on foreign and defense policy.”

    See, the Republicans are not just sitting on their hands waiting for the campaigns to begin. If Lieberman’s heart is really with the Dems, he shouldn’t say somethin so damaging. And then there’s the negative stuff in the press about Hillary and Obama. Dems need to get their own narratives that will effect the elections moving. It’s more than just saying it once- it’s keeping the narrative going.

  • Ole Joe should remember 2008. If this were Battlestar Galactica (the one with male Starbuck) I think that Droopy would be a perfect Baltar.

    Suspicious Minds as sung by Droopy Dog Lieberman.
    We’re caught in a trap
    I can’t walk out
    Because I love having that power

    Why can’t you see
    What I’m doing to you
    When you don’t believe a word I say?

    We can go on together
    With bipartisan lies
    And we can make war machines
    On bipartisan lies

    So, if a VP I know
    Drops by to say hello
    Would I still see suspicion in your eyes?

    Here we go again
    Asking what I’ve said
    You can see those threats are real
    I’m saying

    We can go on together
    With bipartisan lies
    And we can make war schemes
    On bipartisan lies

    Oh let the power survive
    Let go the fears from your mind
    Lets don’t let a good thing die

    When Dems, you know
    I’ve never lied to you
    Mmm yeah, yeah

  • The Dems should roll the dice and strip Loserman of his Chairmanship. Stated reason – no hearings on Katrina.

    Let him caucus with what’s left of the GOP on National Security – the Dems already have (at least) Hagel, Collins, Snowe, Brownback, Coleman, Smith, Specter, Sununu, Warner, Voinovich declared against the surge.

    Fact is, every GOPper is running scared of the (lame-duck) Chimp administration. Even if Loserman decides to start caucusing with the GOP on all issues, they still need 100% party obedience to veto Dem legislation. So long as the Dems put forward no-brainer legislation like stemcells etc, I will guarantee you that the GOP will not be able to hold the coalition together. Coleman especially will use any excuse to vote Dem the next two years.

    F*ck it, the Dems WAY overestimate the value of Loserman’s seat. They should be making Loserman reach out to them, or allow him to disappear himself into political obscurity.

  • The Senate won’t always be a 51-49 body, Joe. Guess where they’ll bury your body then?

    Right next to Zell Miller’s.

    One truly sweet thing about the 2008 election will be, one way or the other, the end of Lieberman’s so-called “relevance” as a Fox News Democrat. It’ll be comforting to know that, like Miller, Leiberman’s act is no longer any use to the conservative media, and he won’t get his calls returned.

    Which, of course, begs the question: Who will be the next Fox News Deomcrat?

  • ***“So I’m open to supporting a Democrat, Republican or even an Independent, if there’s a strong one. Stay tuned,” said the three-term lawmaker who caucuses with Senate Democrats.***
    —————————–Darth Lieberman

    I’ll apologize in advance for ruining everyone’s day, but when I combine this one quote with the things that Joe-for-Joe-and-only-Joe has done in the past, it leads me to one very scary conclusion:

    Lieberman is positioning himself for an independent campaign for President of the United States.

    Consider what we know of the man to-date. He will trade anything to get what he wants, so he has demonstrated the appetite for power that Bush has. He has steadfastly defended the Iraq Follies, which brings the chickenhawks into his camp. He has demonstrated a penchant for “bipartisanship” (excuse the loose application of the term, please), which opens support from the middle-of-the-road portion of the electorate. He’s a ReThug on foreign and security issues, which brings him a chunk of the traditional conservative camp. He kisses up to Bush, which gives him the Neocon base—especially as the neocons can’t seem to find a candidate who’s not completely wigged out on the kool aid. His “Jewishness” plays well with the Judeo-Christian mainstream, which is the “silent majority” as opposed to the scream-freaks of the Religious Right. He holds strong on numerous domestic-policy issues that are important to Dems, and those new subcommittes he’s rolling out make for a pretty dense smokescreen to block a clear vision of his flip-flopping on the Katrina debacle.

    In short—Lieberman is far more dangerous than we have assumed. More dangerous than McCain, or Romney, or Giuliani. More dangerous than Brownback. And certainly more dangerous than Bush and Cheney—because Lieberman can play to audiences on the Left, the Right, and the Center.

    Lieberman represents “the nightmare scenario of electability….”

  • Someday I’m going to write a book about Lieby’s life called Dark Apprentice. It will be bound in the style of a softcover, pulpy sci-fi novel and the cover will feature Lieberman photoshopped into a Rick Moranis, Dark Helmet outfit.

  • Lieberman is a schlemiel. A ground crawler who comes out after the rain. That is not new…no matter how newly revealed:

    I place the blame on the Democratic Party and those Democrats who actually supported the non Democratic Lierberman and DID NOT support Lamont, the real Democrat. Those Democrats who joined the corporate/Republican support of Lieberman knew damn well what they were supporting and it had nothing to do with American values, Democratic ideals or even the Iraq war….it was all about money and the money brokers.

    campaign finance reform is vital. #1 on the to do list

  • I agree with Slip Kid No More (#7). If Lieberman wants to switch parties, it should probably be to the Likud.

  • “Why the [f] is it so hard for Senate Democrats to tell that Lieberman is intent on [fing] them over, but hard, whenever and however he can?”

    Because they are politicians, and are blindly power hungry just like every other politician out there. You see, even though Joe’s views typically go against Dem values, the leadership has no backbone to strip him of his authority becaue the thought of losing their “power” scares them more.

  • I honestly don’t see a problem with forcing the issue with Lieberfuck. If we lose the majority in the Senate, what’s the problem at this point (Since the Supreme Court nominees which were the biggest danger to society have already been confirmed, with Lieberfuck’s support)?

    Actually, it might be a great lead-in to ’08… Think about it. The Democratic House continues to pass popular legislation which a Republican majority in the Senate kills… (Since McConnell has basically started taking a tactic of filibustering EVERYTHING in the Senate so far, we are losing ground there even with a Democratic Majority- might as well not have our names on it!)

  • I second losing the Democratic majority in the Senate to lose Lieberman.

    I disagree. Those advocating losing the Senate from 2006 to 2008 to spite Joe Lieberman are thinking short term.

    Yes, his statements are reprehensible. However, take another look at the slew of judicial nominees for lifetime appointments that W has made over the last 5 years. This is not trivial stuff.There are other committee’s as well to think about. Do we really want to sacrifice Rockefeller’s chance to expose the politicization of intelligence just to get in a temporary bash to Lieberman’s power? I think not.

    Lets net a few more seats in the Senate and then spell it out clearly for dear ole Joe. If he doesn’t toe the line, then dump him from the caucas and his committe positions. Let him then suck up to whomever he wants to on the GOP side.

  • Combine what slip-kid and Jim said, with Chris’ question “Why the [f] is it so hard for Senate Democrats to tell that Lieberman is intent on [fing] them over, but hard, whenever and however he can?”

    Answer: Because they’re all Israel-firsters too, for the most part. Not as bad as Liberdick, but still pretty damn bad. Any time a vote about Israel comes up, we all get to hear the deafining sound of sheep stampeding.

    Someday we will look back at this time period and see that Israel has been screwing us all over as bad as any country could ever do it, and we were letting them.

  • Clark was lambasted about a month ago for using the phrase “New York money people” — which is apparently code for a group of rich NY Jews who lobby to influence our foreign policy in the ways that the government of Israel prefers.

    Clark was very concerned because he said that these people were very influential with office seekers. The reason he cared, is because in the Israeli press they’re acting as if our bombing Iran is a done deal. And Clark, I gather, believes that it is immoral to bomb people without ever having talked to them and tried to work out some alternative.

    Now just this last week, we see Edwards making some strong statements that leave me wondering if he’s receiving any support from these lobbyists.

    And my feeling with Lieberman is that the reason he’s sticking so close to a losing Bush policy is because of his strong connections to these lobbyists — or simply shared beliefs with them — that the interests of Israel, as described by Israel’s government, trump other interests.

    Because on the surface, you know, Lieberman’s talk really doesn’t seem in his self-interest. When polls say that a strong majority of people are against a particular policy, it really isn’t in a politician’s best interest to go against the people. That’s why so many Republicans are showing a willingness to buck their own party and president on this issue now.

    So Lieberman’s stand, I think, only makes sense two ways.

    1. The money he depends on for his campaigns is tied to supporting the president in his war-mongering or

    2. Lieberman’s beliefs are in sync with these lobbyists. Which I’m thinking might be described as: Israel right or wrong.

  • I also disagree with those happy to lose the majority for the sake of policing purity in the Democratic party.

    Did you guys vote for Nader? If the people who did vote for Nader had come down off their high horse, we wouldn’t be in this mess and over 100,000 Iraqis and 3,000 Americans would be alive today.

    So who comes out cleaner, the persons who voted for Nader, or the persons who felt they sullied themselves to vote for what they regarded as the better of two evils?

    We are not free of the consequences of our actions.

  • Catherine- the problem with Liebermann is that, even though he helps us retain a majority name, he doesn’t help the Democrats preserve an actual majority- since he enjoys voting and speaking out against the party.

    So, is it better to keep him in the house, and allow him to sully the party at large, or to give him an ultimatum- either toe the line, or lose his chairmanship. We aren’t going to make any progress if we act all friendly with our enemies- and I count Liebermann as one of those. The Democratic Party should be reserved for Democrats (and, if the damn politicos at the top had thought about that after the primary, rather than waivering, with half of them still supporting the idiot after, we wouldn’t even be having this debate. If the entire leadership had stood up and said “we support the Democratic nominee”, enough of the electorate in CT would have gotten the message. As it is, the idiots get what they deserve…)

  • Castor Troy,

    …he doesn’t help the Democrats preserve an actual majority- since he enjoys voting and speaking out against the party.

    Au contraire. The most important vote so far in the 110 congress was the organizing one, and on that one he voted with the party. Dems now control every committee because of that vote. Besides, say we kicked him out now. He’d still be in the Senate. His votes for the war and the escalation wouldn’t change. We’d just be stuck with insane judicial nominees and hidden intelligence committee reports.

    Having said all that, I agree that the Dem leadership should have united behind the winner of the Dem primary in CT. And they should have been really clear about that before the primary. with that kind of solidarity and even the visits of a few hawkish Dems to CT, Lamont probably would have won. Which would have been much preferable to the current state of affairs.

  • Majorities are necessarily often made out of diverse coalitions. It is far better to be in the majority and to have to put up with a few Liebermans than to be ideologically pure and in the minority. First, everyone’s idea of ideological purity is surprisingly variable, so ideological purity is surprisingly limiting, not to mention difficult to acheive. Secondly, the power of the majority permits the Democrats to set to subject of the conversation, command the attention of the media, block at least some bad presidential appointments and initiatives, and hold hearings. Lieberman is admittedly a road block to progress, but he can largely be worked around. We worked hard to win the Senate, and we should not give it up without one hell of a fight.

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