‘You can run, but you can’t hide. We are going to debate Iraq’

I have to admit, several Senate Republicans really had me going there. Sen. Gordon Smith (R-Ore.) sounded sincere when he decried Bush’s escalation plan and said he’s at “the end of [his] rope.” Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) seemed absolutely genuine when he expressed support for a resolution condemning escalation. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.) appeared serious about his support for a compromise resolution expressing a no-confidence vote from the Senate.

But when push came to shove, nearly all of the Senate Republicans stuck together and refused to even debate escalation on the merits.

A long-awaited Senate showdown on the war in Iraq was shut down before it even started yesterday, when nearly all Republicans voted to stop the Senate from considering a resolution opposing President Bush’s plan to send 21,500 additional combat troops into battle.

A day of posturing, finger-pointing and backroom wrangling came to nothing when Democratic and Republican leaders could not reach agreement on which nonbinding resolutions would be debated and allowed to come to a vote…. Republicans insisted that the impasse will soon be broken. But the leaders of the two parties appeared to be far from a compromise last night, and the White House has worked hard to block action on a resolution disapproving of the president’s decision to boost troop levels.

“What you just saw was Republicans giving the president the green light to escalate in Iraq,” Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) said after the vote. Reid contended that Republicans “are trying to avoid a debate on this matter.”

The vote was largely along party lines. All the real Dems voted to start the debate, and were joined by Sens. Norm Coleman (Minn.) and Susan Collins (Maine), both of whom are facing re-election next year. All the Republicans (plus Lieberman), voted not to have the debate at all. (John McCain, who recently announced that he would not support a GOP filibuster, did not vote yesterday.)

The procedural wrangling got a little complicated.

Josh Marshall had a fairly concise explanation, and since there’s no reason to reinvent the wheel, here’s his take on what happened.

The Republicans main aim here was to prevent a no-confidence vote in the senate on the president’s war policy. They threatened a filibuster for a while until they finally came up with a rationale for the filibuster. And what they came up with was this …
There were three resolutions in play today. The Warner-Levin anti-surge resolution. The McCain-Graham-Lieberman pro-surge resolution. Then there was a third resolution offered by Sen. Judd Gregg. The key is the Gregg resolution. All the Gregg resolution really said was that it’s the Commander-in-Chief’s duty to assign military missions and the Congress’s duty to fund them. (Constitutionally, it’s a ridiculous claim. But let’s set that aside for the moment.)

Now, here’s the rub. The Democrats wanted them all to go to a simple majority vote. The Republicans wanted each to go to a 60+ filibuster-breaking vote.

How do the two thresholds shape the debate?

If each goes to a simple majority vote, the anti-surge resolution wins, the pro-surge resolution loses and the Gregg amendment probably wins too. But the headline is the repudiation of the president. The Gregg amendment is an afterthought.

However, if each resolution goes to a 60 vote test, the thinking was that both surge resolutions (pro and con) would fail. And only the Gregg amendment would win.

So opposition to the president would lose and the only winning amendment would be one that gets the senate on the record saying that Congress is obligated to fund whatever missions the president chooses.

The result was a rather bizarre dynamic. Republicans who said they wanted a debate ended up voting to prevent a debate. John Warner voted to shut down discussion of his own resolution. GOP senators like Hagel, who claim to have been chomping at the bit to formally criticize the escalation policy, fell obediently into line. Rank-and-file Republican senators took turns saying the resolution was too irrelevant to take seriously, and too serious to allow debate.

So, what’s next? Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell are negotiating the procedural hurdles, and would reportedly like to iron out an agreement to hold a debate before tomorrow’s consideration of a huge budget bill for the remainder of the current fiscal year. The House, meanwhile, is poised to move forward with its own debate on its own version of a non-binding resolution.

“You can run, but you can’t hide,” Reid said. “We are going to debate Iraq.”

i wish somebody would just shoot mcconnell. (just kidding, i’m not really that twisted, but he’s really starting to piss me off with his smug holier than thou attitude.)

  • Senators who support the madness of this president’s foreign policies will not be reelected whether it be in ’08, ’10 or’12. The voters are a watching you Mr. Senators! -Kevo

  • Is the “nuclear option” available for this? We’re not talking about judicial nominees any more; rather, the subject has become the illegitimate, egotistical, murderous squandering of human lives—American lives, no less—for the sake of a decrepit, draft-dodging wuss who wants to play “Machismo Man.”

    And I’m not talking about “the puppet in the White House,” either.

    Dear House of Representatives: Disconnect all war funding from any other appropriations bill, and demand line-item accountability on all military expenditures. Remove any and all funds for escalation from the defense appropriations. If the administration wants to run the guys already over there “thin” so as to pay for the escalation, then it’s the administration who’s “not supporting the troops.” If they really want the bodies that bad, then let their rich friends foot the bill—and start deploying Blackwater’s “private 20,000-man militia” to Baghdad….

  • I’m confused as hell. I thought the filibuster was a tactic used to prolong debate and prevent a vote. Now it’s a tactic used to cut debate and force a vote? What a huge bowl of crap.

    As Feingold indicated on Countdown last night, Democrats may be in the majority, but they are “scared”. Time for the Dems to show some guts Feingold-style, not just empty rhetoric Reid-style.

  • #3 Steve – No nuclear option available, Cheney is still VP and hence presides over the Senate.

  • before tomorrow’s consideration of a huge budget bill for the remainder of the current fiscal year.

    I’m smelling a rider here!

    It’s a lame way to get this done, but (quoting someone I can’t remember) you don’t hold a formal dress dinner with scat-flinging monkeys.

  • I think McConnell’s found the Hatch-Lott fountain of smarminess. Or at least boy-makeup. Or does having a plastic-looking face just come from being a self-righteous Republican tool?

  • I get the gist of what Josh Marshall is saying but I still don’t understand why the Republicans get to say whether it’s a majority vote or a 60-vote, er, vote. The Dems should put each one up and let the Republican’ts actually do the filibuster. I mean let them get up there and drone on for days about irrelevant crap and let the nation see them doing it. I do think this will play bad for them in, MSM and all. But I think the Dems could do so much more.

    And I totally agree with Ohioan about Feingold and I said it before when we were discussing Feingold’s position. He called the Dems’ general position weak and there was a lot of criticism here, but I think he saw the writing on the wall that, no matter what happened in November, the Dems are still weak and afraid of what names the Republicans will call them.

  • Ds need to make sure that Americans understand the nature of what Rs have done. The procedures may be complicated, but the net effect of denying consideration of an issue that the public supports is not. Make them pay each and every time and discredit this shameless behavior.

  • It seems that everyone (excluding Feingold) is so caught up in the political wrangling and the significance of little baby-steps that they’ve all (except Feingold) taken their eye off the ball, which is whether the President will get his way or the American people will. Feingold, as often happens, is the lone voice reminding everyone just what’s at stake.

  • excellent comment, ed stephan @12. maybe we should just start withholding their paychecks whenever they engage in such crap……

  • What ever happened to up or down votes? I will hold Harry Reid to his promise that the Repubs may have won a battle but they will get their butts kicked in the war.

  • This is just a three-card monte game while BushCo plans its assault on Iran. Where are the Senate plans to stop that from happening?

  • We won. We are the majority party. If that’s not good enough for “our side” then I give up.

    I foolishly thought the Democrats wanted to accomplish something. Silly me. I overlooked the fact that these guys (and gals) are all each others’ best friends, that they give themselves (at our expense) the best medical care program, take many international tours without paying for them, brag about how much time they spend in the gyms we pay for, that all they’re interested in is their post-“service” careers as lobbyists and board members, etc., etc.

    Is there a single member of Congress who isn’t a millionaire, who isn’t owned by billionaires and mega-corporations? Why am I surprised that none of them represent me? How much longer will I bother to play their stupid game?

  • “You can run, but you can’t hide,” Reid said. “We are going to debate Iraq.”

    LOL.. and then what, Harry?

  • As I said yesterday,I hereby take back every positive thought or comment I ever made on any subject regarding that spineless sonofabitch, chuck Hagel. If the man really wanted to “serve his country,” it’s too bad you can’t find his name on a certain wall back there. At least that would mean he was trying to do the right thing, unlike his entire career afterwards, which is total bullshit. “The only ‘good Republicans’ are pushing up daisies” indeed.

    And to think I once thought that – if we had to have another Republican president – he wouldn’t be “that bad.” He would indeed be “that bad”!

  • “Is there a single member of Congress who isn’t a millionaire, who isn’t owned by billionaires and mega-corporations? Why am I surprised that none of them represent me? How much longer will I bother to play their stupid game?”

    Feingold. And lucky me, he IS my Senator 😉

  • bernie sanders isn’t owned by billionaires and mega-corporations. he’s still new to the senate, but keep an eye on him, he’ll make you proud.

  • It is incomprehensible to me that this type of maneuvering is going on, and it is not stopped. I wonder what it is going to take to get us out of this war? Impeach Bush and Cheney for high crimes and misdemeanors? They could be ax murderers and these people would give them a pass. It is so hard to keep a positive attitude with all of this crap going on at the expense of our kids and grandkids. I feel very sad today.

  • I think we should just bring back the true filibuster… i.e ensure that anyone that wants to filibuster should actually have to keep debating on the floor for hours and hours on end and stall all other buisness. This would be good for both sides actually..When democrats were in the minority, it would show that they were standing up against very dangerous nominations and would have advanced perception of the cause. On the other hand, when the American people see republicans doing this over the most essential issue facing Americans today, they will hate and despise them properly…It’s a win-win situation

  • I fired off a scathing e-mail to my senator, Mr. Warner…not that that accomplishes anything, but it made me feel a tiny bit better. What a tool.

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